Cold Start Rattle! Ford 5.4 Timing Chain Teardown

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Replacing timing chains, phasers, tensioners oil pump on a Ford 5.4 3 Valve Triton. Engine rattles on startup.
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@brettemerich3237 День назад

This tear down makes the DYI person want to give it a mechanic because there is a lot to remember.Have a great day Rainman.

@buckWildest День назад

17 hours labor, thats a min 1700 bucks, more like 2500 - 3000 at a dealer. plus another 1000 for parts and supplies.

@LoganHester-1489 День назад

@@buckWildest jus sit back and injoy not ur trck or money so not ur problem no offence

@zeropoint3518 День назад

@@LoganHester-1489no he’s pointing out that even as a mechanic it’s a lot of work and very expensive not just as a DIY person

@user-gd3nk1yi3g День назад

Does any one know a ford mech in nor cal that done this before and willing to mine?

@buckWildest День назад

@@LoganHester-1489 wtf are you talking about. i just pointed out an approximate cost breakdown. i made no opinion or anything. i will make another observation though, some weirdos scan the comments looking for anything to get mad about.

@jcfab1266 День назад

Us old mechanics always believe we are the best judge of a young mechanic. You, young man, are a Good mechanic!!

@sgtzsquad День назад

Watching a disassembly like this, I now understand the labor costs much better. You are appreciated sir.

@lilgampla День назад

Be glad it's longitude and not transverse

@allanransby7119 День назад

Thank God. At least one person who now understand that a simple disfunction can cost a lot of labour to get to the problem. I've just had a repair on a doorlock. "But why does it cost two hours?" Because there's a lot of work to disassemble and disconnect etc. etc and everything the other way around when jobs done. Cleaning and testing etc. etc.

@johnc4389 День назад

Experience really makes a difference... How you remember where all these things go when you reassemble is amazing...

@bengt-ericdahl3322 День назад

Yes I agree Whit You. All this parts he fix togheter again. Ray is Fantastc

@fusionsportdaily1650 День назад

The bolts are the most important. The rest of stuff like harnesses and what-not will mostly fall back into place. You do still have to have some understanding and sense about it. But for the most part, if you learn the basics and have a love for fixing things, it's all pretty much common sense.

@thomasmaceil9626 День назад

@@bengt-ericdahl3322

@Gizmetti День назад

@@fusionsportdaily1650 Bob Ross once famously said "if you sell a painting to someone and they think you spent 10,000 hours creating it; don't tell them any different. They dont need to know it only took you 10 minutes, it lessens the value to them. Let them believe what they want and it will mean so much more to them" I think this applies here lol

@chonzie16 День назад

Good memory

@MrJunkman1982 День назад

I love watching these types of jobs, especially because it freshens up the whole engine, especially the way ray does it with replacing all gaskets, water pumps, & all timing parts.

@Johnny64ism День назад

and the oil pump

@Erik-oe7gc День назад

When possible, it’s always the first place I go on RU-vid! You’re great with my first cup of coffee. Plus you convinced me to change from 40 years of using Mobil 1 to AMSOIL. Thanks.

@defaultname531 День назад

This was IMPRESSIVE Ray! Not just the incredibly involved disassembly, but your control of the commentary, your falangeal- control, exceptional camera work and especially - finger-poking the Wife Unit on live TV!😊 You ARE the man! Thanks for a great LONG-form vid!!! ❤🎉🎉

@MonkeyJedi99 День назад

Boop the snoot!

@jackbowman4788 День назад

Wow-I'm not a mechanic but I'm amazed at the complexity of modern engines !!!

@opendstudio7141 День назад

And that one is antiquated by EPA standards.

@jeffreymann4539 День назад

I followed the videos from Ford Tech Makuloco to do this job on my sons 2011 Expedition. This is the perverbial you might as well as job when you are in there. Did timing job, new lifters, new rockers, new oil pump. Job just takes patience, especially doing the oil pump without dropping the oil pan!

@Theywereright24-7 День назад

I agree. Once you go so far into a repair, change out everything in sight, especially if it has some miles on it.

@williamtoney2599 День назад

Fordtechmakuloco is the ford guru 😊

@lambition День назад

Also, make sure to use Ford parts. I had to do this twice because tensioner seal blew out again on replacement Cloyes part. It had improved recessed groove design, yet it still blew out. Second time around, I put Ford genuine parts..

@Theywereright24-7 День назад

@@lambition Absolutely. I have a Crown Vic and I don’t use anything but Motorcraft on it now.

@bennettwallace6004 День назад

yep, watched and followed these instructions and was able to rebuild the top half, perform a timing job, and replace the water and oil pump, whether it needed it or not, because I had no plans of going back in for a second time!

@michaelpressman7203 День назад

It is always amazing how Ray knows & explained tear down😅

@georgeweisbrod1876 День назад

Your word analysis reminds me when I was in fourth grade and I asked the teacher, " if the verb past is freeze is froze and frozen shouldn't the verb squeeze go to be Squeeze and squozen?" Boom!! down to vice principal's office for being smart mouth,.!!!!!

@fusionsportdaily1650 День назад

But you're not wrong. Especially with how most English words mean different things. Squoze and squozen should be.

@deplorablelibertarian День назад

You’re wrong, Kyle! Mr Jefferson is my friend! I don’t know why I just said that…..

@philly12887 День назад

You should go to the principals office for that sentence structure alone.

@garyv8104 День назад

Your comment made me LOL 😂

@patrickchavez3848 День назад

They sent you to the principal's office for that? Like Gallagher said, " we go to school to learn to communicate and all they tell us is NO TALKING"

@jacobemerson8015 День назад

Every time I see you work on one of those Fords, it really makes me appreciate the simplicity of the GM trucks of the same era 😅

@robertmoore8166 День назад

Back in the olden days (1960s) a petcock valve was a butterfly handle with a hole in the middle of the shaft. When you loosened it, the fluid would drain out of the center of the shaft. I miss those days. No computers, no emission to speak of. Better times.

@ravennightwatch1846 День назад

Very informative Ray. I love all the "How To" explanations. I was like being back in my high school auto shop class. I love this format and would still watch all your videos if they were this long and contained this level of explanations. I find it interesting and like the fact that you take the time in your videos to try to explain thing so that people that have never worked on a vehicle before can understand but at the same time people that have worked on vehicles don't get bored of feel like they are being made to suffer with, or feel like they are being forced to listen to "infantile" explanations. Keep up the good work Ray & Lauren. My wife unit and I really enjoy you videos!!

@richb.4374 День назад

I love it when Ray has Alvin the chipmunk help him do a repair.

@garygross3590 День назад

1st time ever saved by mechanic no charge🎉 love your videos. Thanks for long hours of editing

@patrickperkins5817 День назад

Someone has been very good with their oil changes

@Bryanja81 День назад

The 1/4" Milwaukee Fuel impact gun is my favorite tool. I use mine all day, every day.

@DarkHorseCom День назад

Haven't seen a good disassembly video in quite a while, actually a part 2. Another example from the engineers at Ford. Way too much work, glad you're the man for the job. It will get done correctly. Thanks for the vids Ray!

@RandyMUNSOn-fe2tb День назад

Ford Tech Makuloco has done probably hundreds of those timing jobs by now. Many upgrades and part recommendations are available. I wish you luck !

@randybeard6040 День назад

Watch him often, Very Good Mechanic doing this Job on all 5.4 engines...

@kman0146 День назад

Quite a contrast watching Makuloco vs Car Wizard, Wizard will swing the engine for nearly any 5.4 3 valve

@GhostSniper67 День назад

8:51 love the 👉🏻 at the bolts, that was awesome! Great add..

@bobklittich5710 День назад

Ray, I got to tell you from experience, Always, always replace the lifters and rockers if you are doing a 5.4 timing job. I thought I could save a little money cause they looked good at 195k. I made it to 197k, broke a lifter, got a piece past the open valve and ended up buying a new motor. Always.

@Jed1421-w8j День назад

Hey Ray, I remember watching you do a similar job to this. Phaser noise on startup and the engine warranty company required that you start the engine without the valve covers on. That was fun to watch.

@1DarkStorm День назад

Welcoming back!

@proudcanadian5713 День назад

Nice video ray. Now, people, before you go thinking this job only took a little bit over an hour to do, take a second and realize that through the wonder of video editing, it can look like that but I guarantee you that Ray spent longer than that breaking this all down for us. Oh, and if you question the labour rates at your shop, now you may have a better understanding of what the techs go through to make that repair for you.

@JazawaToad День назад

1:29 "h-help me Step-Ray! I'm stuck!"

@daniel.s.stefanov День назад

Rattle at cold start could be low oil pressure at the chain tensioner, if it's hydraulic. Could be blockage in the galleys, so it takes longer to build enough pressure in the tensioner to actually tension.

@bearing_aficionado День назад

It's a known issue with the Ford cam phasers.

@TonicofSonic День назад

Cam phases do not create tension in the chain. That is from the tensioner failed/ leaking oil or like he said, low oil pressure. @@bearing_aficionado

@HansLaRocca День назад

We fell through the matrix! 🤣🤣 Always enjoy your videos Ray. Watched an old video when Caster Troy was working for you. Have you stayed in touch, and if so, how is he doing? You and your family have a great week.

@CamboFord День назад

OMG. Glad I have an Aussie 1974 Fairmont coupe to work on. So much to undo to get to what you have to do. Keep up the great work.

@Papieck37 День назад

Waiting on part #2!!!!!.... Such an invasive procedure wow!

@MichiganFishers День назад

Crazy how I just did this job and took me like 3 days insanity how these motors are built. Kudos to anyone who does this job.

@ghettsumm7949 День назад

Thank you Ray for reminding me again the reason that I stayed away from automotive repair as a career. You work very hard my friend. 😮😊

@prevost8686 День назад

Just did a 3-valve. Replaced all chain parts roller followers, lash adjusters, and upgraded Melling pump. All parts except pump were the latest versions from Ford. It made a significant difference in the oil pressure.

@rayshutsa6690 День назад

Ray working on the cars from the 60"s & 70s the engines were more simple to work on with a ton of space in the engine compartment.

@mshawnlane День назад

This is insane how much needs to be removed to replace a timing chain. Nice work of explaining everything.

@josephgolden1868 День назад

wow, that pcv hose has seen better days

@charlesslack8090 День назад

4:05 Ray, I purchased a new 93 Crown Victoria, with a 4.6, and drove it to 306,000 miles before the transmission gave up the ghost. Never had an issue with the oil, timing issues that you mentioned. I must have been luckey.

@jeffleach2668 День назад

Not lucky. That was a totally different engine. Old school and super simple. My brother in law has my parents old Marquis and now has over 400k miles on it. I don’t think he’s had and major issues with the drive train. I think those cars were the best most reliable cars Ford ever made.

@shadowopsairman1583 День назад

You were lucky.

@hokie9910 16 часов назад

@@shadowopsairman1583The 4.6 had none of these issues, very stout little V8. There’s a reason that all taxi services ran the crown vics and the limo companies ran the Town Cars.

@davidrogers9464 День назад

@Ray: long time subscriber and fan that watches most of your videos here. I just have to say, what you do here is an ART! And you do an amazing job making videos.. words really cant describe the amount of respect I have for you and what you do..its just amazing. I feel I would be lesser of a person had I not found your channel. I will forever value and apply the information that you teach. Thanks for being you!

@Uncle-Duncan-Shack День назад

Amazing what keeping oil clean in an engine does, that engine has done really well for the mileage. Nice to see a well maintained vehicle being worked on.

@hazmatt66 День назад

Just got here but look at how neat the tool tray is

@natancohen1990 День назад

nice to be back to do what you do best🙂

@wesleypulkka7447 День назад

Ray, I guess with new trucks running 60-90 thousand it's worth a few grand to keep an otherwise good condition one on the road! But Ford engineers sure made it as hard as possible to keep one running! Wow!

@donfayetteville3582 День назад

Ray I'm probable like most of your views when as we watch your videos we say "what the heck has happened to the construction of engines"? being from the 60's generation I can't help but feel for your generation of mechanics. I think back to the valve cover gaskets from my old cars. 50 flat head 8, 64 impala, 67 chevy Nova, 70 Javelin. When you looked under the hood you could actually SEE the ENGINE. It's taken you2 hrs just to see the covers. BRAVO to you and your generation.

@lilrowan5961 День назад

What are you yappin about

@shadowopsairman1583 День назад

Its why I drive a 2007 Bowtie

@jeffleach2668 День назад

Never had one but I’m pretty sure flat heads didn’t have valve covers…….but I get what you’re sayin’.😬

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 День назад

>"what the heck has happened to the construction of engines"? It's the bean-counter engineering running rampant these days: "build-em cheap, sell for a king's ransom, rinse and repeat".

@cengeb День назад

Cars from the 60s 70s are ,and where junk compared to modern efficient, safer much better performance,vehicles. 60s with high maintenance,parts didn't last. Stuff today is much better

@SWATStrachan День назад

This engine was designed by someone that was charging by the hour, talk about needlessly complicated!

@robertstock9912 День назад

I have to say Ray I really loved the high voltage clip that was awesome

@darthlooper3625 День назад

thanks for the video, Ray, keep on keepin on brother, those wrenches dont turn themselves and you sure are good at doin the turnin!

@gru2936 5 часов назад

I like how you say “we are gonna start the serious tear down”. After spending 2 hours taking off one valve cover! I remember back in the sixties it took 20 minutes to get off 2 valve covers! And Ray is easily 3 times faster than I ever was…

@brianmckenna3440 День назад

Great video Ray Man

@barleecornsight2647 День назад

1:05:24 "... so NOW we can get to the oil filter." Good one, Ray!

@steveschaff8848 День назад

Ray inspires us to tackle our own tasks with the same precision, thanks

@awesomusmaximus3766 День назад

That motor looks well maintained

@kevincurry4735 День назад

Good afternoon Ray. This was an excellent video. Can wait for part 2.

@peterneal7160 9 часов назад

I did this fairly recently! The owner replaced the VVT Solonoids due to a fault code for it! Didn't fix it as the Check engine Light was still on. The Engine wasn't that noisey surprisingly! Took the Oil Filler cap off and could see bits of plastic wedged in around the phaser area and NO guide to be seen! Stripped it all down and found RH guides destroyed!!! very little left! So replaced Phasers chains guides etc! Took Sump off as bound to be lots of plastic in the sump! Sure enough plenty in the Oil Strainer and sump!! Run good after!!

@starsailor49 День назад

Sorry Ray, due to Camera issues I was unable to ‘see’ the noise😂

@oldbiker9739 День назад

Timing chains were so easy in the 60's 70's 80's . I just did one in a 1991 GMC 1500 , it was a cake walk .

@1crustyoldmsgtretired870 День назад

I like the contrast between this truck and the F250 from the last video... Adult vs Child owned

@TexasJ4331 День назад

That's a lot of dismantling. I'm impressed. I wouldn't remember where everything goes.

@MsFireboy2 День назад

Ray I have worked on a few of these. Real patience pushers. Thanks for posting.

@MrMattDat День назад

That is a crazy amount of work! Great job Ray!

@peterparsons7141 День назад

Newer engines work really great, and last a long time compared to previous years. Where I live in Canada finding a shop like Rays Garage to perform this type of work is very difficult. Most times the truck would end up at the dealer and the repair cost would be prohibitive. I was watching NASCAR stock racing in the 1960’s and when I look at the numbers I could go and buy a new vehicle today that would meet or exceed the performance of a race car from the 1960’s. I could drive that thing for the 500 miles of Daytona, then change the oil and drive it for another 200,000 miles. New cars are a pain the ass to work on, but their performance is impressive.

@rdeanhanson День назад

Everyone disses these 5.4 3V engines but I’ve got 255,000 original miles on mine and really the only thing I’ve had trouble with is Cats……oh and 2 alternators and 3 batteries. I have a Supertune in it too. Bought it new in ‘06. Oil changes every 5k religiously with blend oil

@wayneessar7489 День назад

I heard that you did exactly the correct thing, letting the insides get gummed up is the death of them.

@cycleguy666 День назад

Engine is remarkably clean inside!! Sure pays to change that oil!! Shiny innards!!

@atlas869 День назад

oh they do make an upgraded oil pump and if you are careful you don't have to drop the oil pan to change it! have fun RAY!!!!!

@arthurrodesiler3109 21 час назад

Thats no big deal with a bolt in cross member if you have a hoist.

@Bryanja81 День назад

I was told by an old timer that the best cure for a hurt finger is to soak it in-cider...clean version.

@opendstudio7141 День назад

Once that callused cuticle starts ripping, it hangs on everything.

@warrentinsley5849 День назад

on the 5.4 phaser job, upgrade the oil with one that supplies higher pressure AND volume as well of using 10w30 full synthetic oil. total cure. i did mine to make a world of difference!

@randybeard6040 День назад

I did the same, did help the cold start up rattle...

@AliasTekTV День назад

Dealt with this myself. Ray I'm sure you know, but these engines NEED a filter with an anti-drain valve. Not all filters have them, and most of the cheap ones don't. I didn't have a phaser problem on my 4.6 expedition but boy did the timing set fail in a spectacular way. For everyone with a Ford Modular engine vehicle, you MUST look into timing component replacement at 100k miles. DO NOT BRUSH THIS OFF YOU WILL DESTROY THE ENGINE. THIS IS NOT A "IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT" BECAUSE YOU DONT GET TO FIX IT LATER.

@mharry860 День назад

My wife had a 5.4 and it went boom.

@kevinlstephenson6759 День назад

Watching you work on these "newer" cars and trucks sure does make me miss my mid 80's square body 3/4 ton Chevy truck! There was enough room to sit on the inner fender well while working on the top side of engine.

@boelensds День назад

Upsell hood prop struts for your own safety and so the customer is safe when checking fluids.

@Groot564 День назад

My head hurts bad morning 😂😂😂

@frtsnfr7504 День назад

Got to love Ray giving us all the bird😂. Rays ac machine beeped I got up to see who left the fridge door open lol.

@jamesholmes1104 День назад

Good morning automotive peoples.

@rcpasc1948 День назад

Bendin with Bendon Bendin with Bendon calls his pointer "BOB".

@catherinemorgan2741 День назад

Lol she looked so impressed with finger poke

@robertprelewitz4511 День назад

😊I was waiting for her to say, watch where you poke that thing.

@puremayhemFTW День назад

Top side creeper makes a world of difference good sir

@RonRussell-sj1zf День назад

What a massive disassembly job, makes my knuckles hurt, but you make it look relatively easy! I had to shake my head and laugh when you so easily removed the trans dipstick securing bolt from the side of the block, first of all, it looks brand new with 197K miles, and it came right out. I had to remove a similar bolt on my '03 4Runner when I did the valve covers a few months back, it was a rust mess and difficult to break loose. Got to love the rust belt.

@golf25radioman День назад

All things considered that engine wasn't that bad inside. Fairly clean, cams looked good. I believe in your former job you had one of these torn down. That was my first look inside that Ford engine design. Quite a lot to tear down to get to the timing/oil pump, which always encourages top shelf work; don't want to go back into that one for free for sure. Thanks for the part one, looking forward to to part two. Thanks also for the Lauren/WifeUnit cameo. She puts up with a lot of silliness with you, I'm sure. 😊

@roberto7639 День назад

Big Job. Good work Ray

@rar7631 День назад

That V10 ford is knock knock knocking on heavens door. 😮

@1ltcap 16 часов назад

we just did one of these a couple years ago. 06 with 231k on the clock. never been apart before.

@alveus8205 День назад

You know it’s a hard job when Ray uses both hands to do it.

@stephenmeeks684 День назад

Diesel Creek made a custom shop nearly at the end of a long dirt road before he covered it with tons of gravel.😊

@jeffjankiewicz5100 День назад

Just say it, the 5.4 is junk from the factory. This guy hit the jackpot getting that many miles before it went sideways. How do you remember where everything goes? I use a big piece of cardboard to hold fasteners and components. Poke holes and stick fasteners in the holes and mark everything. Also a LOT of pictures during disassembly and label all wiring. I am not a mechanic, but am mechanically inclined. Apartment maintenance technician is my trade, but I keep my junk running for the last 50 years. I applaud your knowledge and work ethic. I wish i lived closer, I`m getting up in years now(67) and cannot do that voodoo i used to do years ago. You have yourself a great day Ray.

@waynearmstrong8239 День назад

Thanks for saving us Ray!!!!!😅

@mlg1783 День назад

Your phone slid into the engine at 34:39 and I've been staring at it since thinking.... is he gunna grab it now.... how bout now. Lol

@npcuser2525 День назад

I'm wondering the same but haven't finished watching the video

@Dono-eg6cg День назад

GOOD JOB RAY !!!!

@jimmeade2976 День назад

It's obvious Ray and Lauren have kids. I wonder how many viewers got the Count Dracula imitation "3 .. ah ah ah" at the 35 minute mark. Thanks for another interesting video.

@robertpimpo4698 День назад

That's a big job wow alot of layers of onion to remove

@Susque1 День назад

OUCH! That hurt when I fell under the hood LOL

@jessieharris1676 День назад

These engines have a belt tensioner that drills a hole in the timing cover, when they fail, so I always check them and the water pump by pass tube inside the pump housing, that little part erodes on the inside and leak under the intake manifold. I have videos posted you can watch.

@Estranged180 День назад

Pointy finger thingy a la Bendin WIth Bendon... Nice.

@barry2557 День назад

You’re the Car, MD!

@trappedinkalifornee День назад

Every tool is a hammer….at rainman rays!😜

@paulocarvalho6480 День назад

Holy Bazookas! You actually have an engine under all that stuff? That is something out of nightmares. Can't wait to see you putting everything back in.

@dannyr3346 День назад

Good ole cam phasers

@OGYettie День назад

Didn't sell them premium air for their tires? It's usually a good thing to do with blinker fluid change.

@deplorablelibertarian День назад

I fill my tires with nitrogen. Boom.

@markanderson2904 День назад

It's time to install winter air.

@BATTLECATT00 22 часа назад

WOW, I remember a time when removing a valve cover meant, a vacuum line or two, PCV valve line and pulling some spark wires then covers. This is crazy!