Thank you so so so much for not insulting my intelligence by titling this video "So-and-so DESTROYS What's-his-name!!!". You're willing to let the viewers watch and decide for ourselves, and you have no idea how much I appreciate that. Thank you.
The fact that people would boo at 10:20 after a black man just basically said he doesn't want to be judged by the color of his skin is astounding to me.
@@Marcusaurelius913 Comments like these are the determining factor in how I can tell who is uneducated in American history. Please research Goldwater, Dixiecrats, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Southern Democrats are now confederate flag waving Nascar fans. The parties switched. Not to mention the fact that "Republican" in Lincoln's time was basically the Whig party, which Lincoln ascribed to. It was pro-taxes and favored more federal government, aka the modern Democratic party. But believe whatever you want.
TenTonNuke the democratic party and republican party never switched, that is a myth. Second Lincoln was the first Republican president and was never apart of the Whig Party, idk where you got that. Second democrats opposed the civil rights act and the republicans supported it. Maybe you should do some research.
Black people shouldn’t have to agree with him because he’s black. It’s not about just individual judgment it’s also about how they’re judged without their choice by other races.
Coleman speaks from power, he acknowledges slavery and doesn’t put his focus on blame only. He is focused on what’s most important NOW. This is real power
@@zrc1514 because his arguments were flawed, he seemed out of his depth and he has no credentials to back up what he was saying. he didnt even deserve to be up there except that he has raised his hand to be a conservative pawn. there was no power being demonstrated there, just the opposite
I’m a black woman. Descendant of slaves and I love America. I love what this country has become. I love all ppl. It’s about your character, values and morals. It’s about now.
@@Dwainegnd you could say that his values and morals put him in that spot to have that crime committed against him. which doesn't excuse the crime obviously. if you are a man of solid morals, strong character. no drug user, ex convict allegedly passing out fake bills like George then you shouldnt run into the police that often but even if you do you tend to act different too.
@Jonathan Rodriguez. First, agreed. Second, red pill in this instance represents people rejecting a mass hysteria that has been going on for years. LOTS of data indicate that systemic racism is NOT a thing, and that the american descendants of slaves have much worse outcomes in comparison to: African immigrants Caribbean immigrants East Indian immigrants (they all have dark skin like the africans do). Racism can't be the reason for these disparities, which means something else is in play. Since this hasn't been studied at all, we don't know the actual reasons.. we can only surmise.
How is this going to work. Do I also have to pay even though we only arrived in 1970? And do the African immigrants also get to cash in even if they have only been here since the 90's. What if I am 1/6th black? This is stupid.
@@normanberg9940 It's worse. For "government" to pay reparations, it would need to take that money away from the citizenry first (ie. taxes). So we're going to have Americans who weren't alive during that time, maybe whose families immigrated here many decades after slavery ended, paying the "reparations"? Do Tiger Woods and Denzel Washington get checks, or are they helping foot the bill?
Thomas Sowell taught me to always ask "What is the evidence?". It's amazing how often people blindly accept assertions that don't have a leg to stand on.
We have been specifically excluded from minimum wage law, social security and the GI bill when these programs were enacted. Southern states systematically stole land from black farmers by not allowing them to participate in the same market as whites. Thomas Sowell grew up poor. Why was he poor. Thomas Sowell is an academic he does not live in the real world. College campus is not the real world.
Stefan Langenhoven Focusing on the problem usually counts every wrong and tends to breed a victim mentality. That result is not specific to race related issues. Focusing on solutions usually creates freedom of ones mind and solves problems without giving the problems power. Problems become nothing but a temporary obstacle. You tend to count the things you have rather than focus on the things you don’t.
@@stefanlangenhoven78 Did you watch the video? Hughes makes excellent arguments for why focusing on the problems themselves does nothing to solve them. "Our desire to fix the past, compromises our ability to fix the present." "There is a difference between acknowledging history, and allowing history to distract us from the problems we face today."
A presumptive white congressman calling an educated, articulate black man, "presumptive." Wow. 🤨 Good thing Mr Hughes didn't call him out right then & there by proclaiming the senator, "a presumptive racist" and offering proof of it by conflating (a favorite tool/ploy of the lefty Dems) the bucket of chicken that THAT same Senator broke out in chambers not too long ago, as a slight upon Black people (like Popeyes; Churches Fried Chicken; Watermelon; etc.) Too bad he didn't do so. He may've started a riot with the restless natives in the back there and given those reparation presumptive congressmen what they do richly deserve. 😎 #beatdown
The shallow mind hears eloquent words spoken in a confident manner and immediately assumes the rhetoric presupposes the truthful narrative. Some of his points were sound. Some were unsound. His narrative has a whole was a bit flawed. His last point was extremely weak. Just because wealth inequality exist within and between a variety of subgroups does not AUTOMATICALLY negate the possibility of systematic economic inequality at the super group (aggregate) level. A majority super group (whites) oppressed a minority super group (blacks) and subsequently rigged the economic system in their favor for many generations, creating a undeniable gap in wealth between the two super groups. It's not a question of IF this is true but only TO WHAT DEGREE is this true.
@@jamarr81 I think you're right that his narrative as a whole veers into the weakly supported, but I disagree with your comment on his last point. To my ears, it seems Coleman is merely calling into question the syllogism that disparity in outcome is direct evidence of systemic racism. You have, I think, unfairly attributed to him the stronger position that wealth inequality existing between subgroups disproves the theory of systemic racism. You may (perhaps) protest that I am focusing on the wrong issue and distracting from the reality of the matter at hand, and perhaps you would be right were the discussion here about the racial oppression in the US, but if the discussion is about the rhetoric ability and soundness of Coleman's logic, then I think it bears getting the nuance straight on the matter.
@@Sarsanoa you make a good point. I would only add that within the given context trying to discuss the nuances of disparity, and the /truth/ that disparity is naturally occurring and inherent, regardless of intention comes off as dismissive or as an act of sophistry. Let's all acknowledge the clear and objective reality that the generational wealth growth denied/taken to/from blacks by systemic oppression exists. And then when researchers dig into the ramifications and nuances of those actions, they can factor in variables of preexisting disparities from other sources; and we can all debate the degrees to which those factor in. That's what analytics and statistics is for. At the end, he makes that claim that he was just trying to upset the notion that without racism there would be equal outcomes. And that's a fair assessment. The problem is that the majority of blacks are not seeking equal outcomes, merely a fair and level playing field. So he's constructed a strawman fallacy that he then uses to argue his points against. So while I actually agree with him on those nuances of diversity... I don't see the point one way or another as to their particular relevance in this instance. Nor why he felt the need to construct a false narrative to strengthen his point. But maybe I don't have all the context.
@@jamarr81 I think that's a fair criticism (although I share your perspective of perhaps lacking full context of his discussion). I don't think Coleman is intentionally dishonest or irrational, and I'm hopeful that, at his young age, he has a lot of personal growth left in him yet.
Yea. Too much Sowell and Williams. Don't get me wrong, I really hope Hughes gets into a position to conduct his own influential research, not just parrot talking points.
@@bensmith8240 You are thinking about this backward. The entire fight for a rational view of this is generational. Thomas Sowell was asked how much influence he had on the 20th and 21st century, and his answer was very informative: little to none. Hughes has simply picked up the sword and is trying to champion these same ideas. Sowell and Williams haven't gained traction in the larger community of Americans, because many of those people can't bring themselves to transcend their own cultural biases (I'm talking about ALL races, not just one). All of these great men are trying to point out that things aren't always as they seem.. but to see that, you must know the details and understand their implications. I wish Hughes all the best. I fear he is the proverbial fish fighting the current of a strong/wide river. That takes persistence and courage to do day in and day out.
@@rbarnes4076 This is pretty close to a perfect statement on YT. Well done. I know everyone always drops, "A Conflict of Visions," "Wealth Poverty and Politics," "The Vision of the Anointed," or "The quest for Cosmic Justice," but dear god, "Intellectuals and Society," was a powerhouse of a read. I've read it twice now and I always sharpen my analytical faculties just a little more each time I work my way through it! Coleman seems to be synthesizing the body of knowledge that Sowell has left behind! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectuals_and_Society ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ERj3QeGw9Ok.html
@@dmonarredmonarre3076 Thanks! I've been interested in ethics and government since I was a kid in the 1960s. Sowell, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, and many others have influenced my thinking about culture, race, and government. Coleman is the latest to the fight, and is proving himself to be of very strong mettle indeed! I'm also a reader of history.. it has been a lifetime fascination. I don't identify with either US political party, since neither party really stands for what I think is needed. Both parties are essentially Statist parties. Anyways.. thanks again! It is very rare to meet people of like mind on YT.
Note the "angry faces" looking for a handout. Of which, they'll be back next week/month/year, looking for another handout after they've BLOWN the first one given to them.
KalonOrdona2 I think the moderator was not angry but saw that people didn’t really understand him and tried to ask questions which when answered will try to make clarity of his stand the last two questions for example: 1. What would you tell young people? 2. Explain the article he wrote
if you got clarity from him then you can surely explain why US government should simultaneously 1. not redress the greatest injustice in its history even though it has done so in the past for lesser injustices. 2. pay reparations to people like his grandparents who suffered from Jim Crow, but apparently not from slavery or racist policies like redlining or blockbusting or other racist policies. 3. do anything at all cause clearly there is no systemic racism, because the groups he cited weren't affected by it according to Coleman. good luck
@@the-gadfly4743 Most thread starters or "OP's" of commentaries dont answer question/comments others post directly to them on YTube, i've noticed. Soooooo...... "Good luck with that"
ive watched this several time. coleman is mind blowing. he changes the way you think. the more i listen to it with the absence of emotion, its incredible how sharp dude is
I'm shocked that people think this guy is smart. Both guys make unintelligent arguments at times but Coleman's get outright ignored. Like how he equates studying a topic (slavery) to knowing a lot about. Studies have shown students are very misinformed about the history of slavery.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of people just support him as a means to point liberals as being wrong. But when it comes to the stuff Coleman is actually talking about here, well, they don't wanna support that either.
@psychotronik15 I knew some people would buy the propaganda. Peterson really came out on top of that whole situation though. The more people try to take him out the bigger he gets. He's a force of nature.
I am astounded at how well crafted Coleman's statement was. His was the best argument I have ever heard against monetary reperations. And the comments from this clip are intelligent and mostly courteous. How refreshing!!!
Colman is from a privileged class, both of his parents are not even African Americans why is him in this conversation. This is what lot of black bourgeoisie’s do, and most them comes from elite immigrants groups, when they comes to America they try to be accepted, the first thing they do is start this right wing talking points. Everything Mr Coolman is saying are straight out of Thomas Sowell books. If he is and blacks who support his views are ok, then they don’t have accept what reparations is offer, let those who needed have it
@@dramese There's nothing wrong with Thomas Sowell books he was extremely intelligent, a great orator, and extremely well researched in his field. He did so much for the independent thinking and agency of black individuals. Why would you hate against a beautiful, smart, and successful black man like him? Coleman (not Colman) is influenced by far more philosophical thought than Thomas Sowell and he recognizes that no hand outs will ever settle the matter of slavery, it is not an act that can be paid off monetarily.
@@zarbins I didn’t say something was wrong with his books, I read a lot of them, unlike many of his disciples. He’s ideas is only attracted black people who see whiteness as a norm, thus, proximity to whiteness becomes a higher form of virtue, unconsciously, of course. I was one of those individuals before, but as I mature and learn, I become acceptance of myself and embrace my Africaness. This does not mean there anything wrong with whiteness, in fact many influential people in my life are whites and I respect those individuals. But the moment denied yourself self, you denied the person who I seek to emulate, the experience that person may have learn from me. Conservatives have a lot to teach all of us. But my problems is, when conservatism becomes the gatekeeping of whiteness to some extent, a white supremacy. Many of Thomas sowell accounts of history are a contents rather than an historical account. And I can understand it motive, it’s to provide content for devotion rather then a context for understanding. If you think those are an accurate historical accounts, you need to read more. Even a bias white historians will not put out something like that.
@@zarbinsColeman has “peasant brain”. Rich elites take every dollar offer to them and more. Wealthy elites love handouts from the government. Why shouldn’t black people get reparations when no one else turns down money if they need it or not? They want us to play by some made up rules of fairness that they don’t follow.
We're not trying to fix the past. But if you have a limp because 20 years ago you were the victim of a hit and run, do we ignore the past REPARATIONS you're owed that can fix you today because it happened a long time ago? An entire culture of people in America have limps from hit and runs.
The policy decisions done in the last 50 years are a result of the abhorrent way of thinking that has permeated american political decisions since the formation of the nation
@Miguel Ramiro imagine how immigrants who came 10 to 50 years ago are listening to this and think "WTF! Why do I have to pay for slavery 200 years ago? I have nothing to do with that, I am myself a descendant of slaves."
Yeah, I kinda find myself in the same boat. I get what Ta-Nehasi is saying, and can appreciate it to an extent. I'm also trying to hear him without my bias, which is I'm a conservative and don't agree with a lot of sentiments. However, while he's genuine and makes decent points, I agree with Coleman.
It's actually a pleasure to listen to both of them as they both make sentient points. The fact that one makes more emotional arguments vs more logical is somewhat irrelevant as long as they both are well reasoned and argued. While I agree with Mr. Hughes that it makes no sense to pay reparations to those who are no longer with us, I see a point where there are some still alive that were affected by Jim Crowe and other racially discriminatory laws, policies and practices, Federal, State and Local, that deserve reparations when those practices, essentially, stole their property without just compensation.
The one point I take issue with is lumping Mitch McConnell in with Jim Crowe. McConnell was in his late teens/early twenties as Jim Crowe was being undone and would have had very little, if not nothing, to do with it directly. He may have lived in, and possibly, benefited from it (I honestly don't know), but to lump him in with a system he was born in, raised in, and could not have made much of an impact with, either way is a stretch.
@@bronxkies You damn conservatives are so understanding and listen to all voices and opinions without drowning out or censoring people because they don't agree with you. That's so American and awesome.
This is why more blacks should be able to attend Ivy League schools, more education = better opportunity, equal rights to educational backgrounds. Right now we're falling behind as a country.....
@@benjammin6692 There's a pandemic of stupidity throughout the world, but it's not entirely resolved by universities. I do believe that Coleman Hughes would be just as smart as he is without a University. On the other hand, having an attitude towards intelligence and the ability to discuss and dispassionately debate difficult ideas is something that is not being taught all that well in many universities. Most of the stupidest protesters who are tearing down *the very things that allow them their freedom* are coming from people who went to expensive universities. Between blacks and whites, both are failing to cultivate a culture that promotes being educated. The cultures that do best are those cultures that highly value real education. This is not a coincidence.
@@eschelar yes okay I agree with your points and second, the need not just for Ivy league, but also liberal arts, and by that I mean the chance to educate and continue to educate yourself in order to speak intelligently on issues outside your expertise and beyond your lived experiences perhaps. Booksmarts and college education are connected but still can be separate methods for education. I agree: Education alone is not the answer perhaps, perhaps it is rather as Hughes has addressed the need to not just learn from history but to answer it. And that's I take it coming from his background and grounding in philosophical subjects and studies background. But perhaps he can take it on the stage with the likes of Slavoj "Pickles&Beans" Žižek, Doctor "Strangelove" Peterson, getalong with Big Russ "Rocket" Brand's "Under the Skin," Trevor Noah. Those are not necessarily my heroes or podcasts of choice per se these days but they do have a large following online to-date with their speeches and podcasts and Coleman might do well to get onair with them? And there are more things he can do obviously to educate others and no, he is not just some privileged kid speaking from a pulpit about "black America." He is speaking intelligently in plain English. No, not new but a breath of fresh air in a heated climate, so to speak.🤔
@@benjammin6692 I have always believed that education is individual. I have traveled abroad for my studies and learned to speak multiple languages as well. The way to become educated is to educate yourself. This is an active sense, not passive. Because of this, I believe actually that the liberal arts have some important literature, and there is a great importance for the ability to be competent in verbal combat skills in the arena of debate, but many of these liberal arts have become weighted far in excess of their value and merit. They will never be as important or as correct as a scientific field of study. The above video is an excellent example of this as Coates is clearly just as educated as Hughes, has access to all the same information as Hughes and is just as, if not *more* persuasive in his speaking manner. The only problem that arises is that Coates has not polished his logic as well as Hughes. So while he speaks persuasively and passionately, his ideas are flawed. This is particularly a problem because if your ideas are flawed, but you are skilled at persuading people, that can only have one outcome. Bad. This does not mean Coates is a bad man. It means only that he is missing some fundamental skills in the application of logic. The missing content there is with dealing with reality. Hughes uses statistics in a different way from Coates. Coates uses statistics to prop up his narrative. Hughes uses the statistics to *form* his narrative. Coates digs through statistics to find detailed points that help support what he wants to say. Hughes digs through statistics to find detailed points so can understand what needs to be said. I believe Hughes thinking style comes from a place of science. The idea in science is that you make observations and determine truth from the observations. Hughes is not afraid of statistics. He is not afraid that statistics might show him to be wrong. This is because he is already aware of statistics on a broad scale and formulates his beliefs upon what the statistics show. He does not allow himself to fall into the trap to determine truth and choose observations that match that. That is a major component of ideology. Science and scientific thinking are an antidote to ideology. Ideology cannot survive within a science weighted perspective. Liberal arts on the other hand does not have a strong foundation in the scientific method. Ideas come forth that have no basis whatsoever in anything close to real. And this is 100% appropriate and correct - for liberal arts. If science is the search for the truth of what is, philosophy is the questioning of that. The role of science is to observe and deduce. The role of philosophy is to question and try to find the flaws in the armor. Philosophy aids the search for truth by opposing truth, even when it appears that the truth is even more firmly established. There is an idea within philosophy (forgive me, I've forgotten whose idea this is) that when something becomes more and more known, the greater the likelihood that it is not true. This is obviously false, but it's not a statement of how things are, it's a statement of attitude. It's a mission statement, a goal. The more something is *perceived* to be true, the more that idea must be challenged with ever stronger rigor. The problem is that this is poorly understood and people forget that the primary objective for this stance it to refine the truth through fire, not to dismantle it. Philosophy must then be able to entertain an idea that comes from nothing and has no substantiation at all. It is occupied then with the act of applying those questions and creating substantiation - I call it "finding the edges" of science, from a position on the opposite side of science and observation. It is possible to go too far with this. Philosophy sits opposite to science, but it is not science. It sits at the center of the liberal arts because it is the mechanism for which the liberal arts come to be - a point of interaction between liberal arts - the creative mind and science - observations and logic. Even without the scientific method within, it still plays an important role in the scientific method because it represents the challenge to any observation that is required for the hardest scientific standard, namely that of truth: Prove that it is true. Then prove that it is never not true. Only then do you know it is true. This standard is extremely difficult to achieve in almost every setting, so philosophy has a tremendous scope of activity where it remains useful, appropriate and relevant. But we should never forget that it is the mirror we hold up for truth, not the truth itself.
@@eschelar that's very interesting. I have always sought myself to define things from what they are not which is the Socratic method I take it but was not aware that it was the philosophical mode of a liberal arts education. Perhaps logically so! Specifically I agree on sciencevsphilosophy and suppose that it's always helpful to approach subjects from either standpoint whether scientific or philosophical. You have perhaps unknowingly quasirefined my lens towards most every subject and have just redefined my sense of self for perhaps in regards to the socials, youtube included, I occasionally have sought to clarify my philosophical viewpoints approaching subjects from that angle. But being a reader first, I had not realized that I was being conditioned to become a philosopher! But perhaps such is the way of things and I take it you too are of a liberal arts background? It is indeed good to have such self realization and in order to change the world we must change ourselves or else perhaps become fully realized as individuals. I think that is the grievous error of our ways, this not knowing about ourselves which indeed science seeks to answer however far behind it is behind philosophy in the first and even literature. All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth - Aristotle
I hope beyond hope that Coleman continues to work in the public sphere. His words are profound and he is dedicated to self-reflection and deep thought- something terribly lacking amongst the loudest American public figures. I'm proud he is my countryman.
Absolutely. I love Coleman Hughes, but I also love Coates. I think they are both legitimately trying to do the right thing. Others are opportunistic grifters.
i understand what Ta-Neshi tries to say, but the facts man, they say different things. Coleman is so educated, bring straight up statistics that actually support his idea.
@@elroco4827 In the absence of empirical data supporting what we say, we don't know what the truth is. Statistics are used in science every day, and those statistics have provided wonderful things like TV, Radio, GPS, Computers, etc. That fact that some people abuse statistics does NOT invalidate the use of statistics. It just says that we need to be careful when using statistics, and on the look out for their misuse. Second.. no matter which side of this subject you stand, people are using statistics to support their points. So then the question becomes, which statistics are correct? As someone from science, I can tell you this. The statistics used by the left are consistently aggregated results, and do not respect the actual differences and variations present in groups described by these aggregated statistics which could invalidate the general statements. This is Coleman Hughes' point, and he is absolutely correct. The statements 'All blacks 'x'' or 'All hispanics 'x'' are definitionally incorrect. There is too much variation between individuals and subgroups in these major classes of people to expect that these statements will ever be true. Statistics are NOT bogus. Hucksterism is what is bogus.. and those folks are the ones that give statistics a bad rap.
@@rbarnes4076 lol there are many people who experienced racism who are alive and some are dead. You mean to tell me because of a damn chart and bogus numbers that systemic race doesn't exist. Yes tell that to the people who experienced this
@@privacyonline1052 so he voted for an absolute racist Joe Biden who never did a thing to help minorities for his 48 year political career and who also has onset dementia and is completely past his time. Colman is short sighted and making a “safe” choice, but Biden will do more to gut black families (welfare, BLM Marxism BS) and destroy the middle class than any other president in history.
one speaks from a position of defeat and revenge...the other from power and progress...one is clearly better for the spirit...imagine how a history of stewing over shit that happened in the past affects the outlook of a people and the people who observe them. its like black people bring a ball and chain everywhere we go...
Really? You heard the stat about black median wealth ( or a lack there of) in inner city Boston. Irish Americans are starting to sqawk about being " the first slaves." They were indentured servants who suffered some chattel. But they, like most light skinned immigrants, were allowed to assimilate. Now they're " white" and have acted as such for damn near two centuries. For all the hell they endured, they now have Boston and NYCPD\FD. You think they're median wealth is only $8 dollars? You talk about a ball and chain. I think most of us would like it cutoff, but certain segments of society won't allow it.
@@noeltaylor3594 so why worry about what someone else wont allow? our median wealth dropped when we started trying to convince them we are equals. before, black folks understood that once a person believes something aint shit you can do to change it except shine on them. blacks built their own society inside of theirs..and we were thriving. they saw that..started hating..then they absorbed our black buisness.. schools..banks..etc. they took our insulated wealth under the guise of integration....then they kicked the men out the house..replaced them w uncle sam..got us all hooked on their mercy. now all we have is shit they control. black industry boils down to entertaining white people..and running black people in circles w the same social justice talking points that convinced us to give up our cards in the first place. solution....stop vollying back the ball. stop talking about the same shit they were talking about in the 50s..stop caring about what white people believe..stop trying to be invited to their dinner table..stop tapdancing for them..start giving your money to black people..start investing sweat equity into YOUR people.......although at this point we all sold our souls to technology..robots not gone give a fuck about no reparations
It's not just a black people thing. Americans are not over slavery; which is why we still see confederate flags and monuments. America has not reconciled with slavery. Look at how Germany treats Nazi-- anything.
@@WeGonBeAlright we built a nation together...slave and master...once it became what it became are the masters supposed to commit seppuku? wouldnt it be easier to look at the situation for what it was and make your way in the land of dreams? they will always look at us as less than...thats the result of white guilt and we allowed ourselves to be enslaved, thats shameful. take what the world has to offer and make your way..thats all that can be done. arguing a point that is understood but is too dark to be acknowledged, is a waste of time.
1bikeman OnDaMoV click bait is when the person posting the video uses emphasis to manipulate a narrative in the title of the video. Usually using all caps to say things like “Hughes OBLITERATES Coates and ends his career while speaking to the house”
You're naive to think those people were not simply there to hear what they wanted to hear and have their biases confirmed. Not to mention it's an emotional issue for most and that doesn't do wonders for one's judgement.
Dude he makes so many brazen fallacies suspect to the point where it’s obvious he’s a token schill for conservative special interest money. Bet money he gets paper doing talks for them. Hot commodity
Skyduke I’ll give you an example. He states that being how so many studies on racism and slavery have been made that means this country as a whole acknowledges the atrocities of slavery. That’s not the issue and he intentionally shifts the focus on that. It’s how the public school system educating the masses does not fully discuss the effects of slavery and Jim crow. at that moment I knew what kind of person Coleman is. He’s a shifty merchant of rhetoric and will cite stats when it supports him but also say stats are ineffective when confronted with opposing info.
"Chill, chill, chill" well he had to speak the language of the natives, you know. "Order in the court" made have been to outside of their capacity to understand.
@Flat Eric The 13th amendment does not allow slavery. It bans slavery. You're twisting that to mean something that it doesn't. You could make the same argument that the family permits a form of slavery because kids have to do what their parents tell them to do and if they don't, the kid can be punished. Parents telling kids what to do is not a form of slavery and a person that got due process and was convicted of a crime, being told where to go and when to sleep and eat is not a form of slavery. That's called punishment.
@@sub-harmonik he is wrong that civil rights leaders and abolitionists favored race neutral policies. No credible academic can read primary sources and come away with conclusion. A principled scholar would not use modern context for race neutrality and impart that to historical figures so arrogantly
Actually this dude Coleman is an idiot.. he said reparations shouldn't be given because the victims that are owed are all dead.... What an asinine thing to say! So you mean the daughter of a slave isn't a victim of slavery... the trauma of seeing her mother dehumanised... how about the granddaughter of a slave... is she not a victim bcz slavery destroyed her family history and she has no idea about her lineage or identity??... she might not be a slave... but do you think she hasn't been victimised/ hurt by slavery... A female black american poet once said in a line of one of her poems... "You claim you have no racial advantage because you have no history of wealth in your family... but I don't even know my family history at ALL" She isn't a slave, but do you think she hasn't been profoundly negatively affected by slavery.... Well she's living today!! Believe it or not!!.. there are still many many victims of slavery still here with us today!
@@avishevin1976 If that is true ,it is only becuz they have come to accept the mistreatment that the Diaspora experiences as second class citizens in the United States.... Far from the justice and freedom it proclaims
When I see Mr. Hughes talking, I imagine in my head Dr. Sowell giving fiery speeches in front of committees and arguing how how bad welfare would effect the minority groups. Now that his predictions came to fruit, I hope Mr. Hughes becomes a renowned person like Dr. Sowell, and hope his ideas won't go to waste.
Sowell would not agree that lazy white southerners are responsible for blacks not working hard enough to get ahead in life? Liberal professors got him by the nose.
I wonder how Sowell feels about resumes with black sounding names summarily trashed without even viewing the color of someone's skin. I didn't think so
john harris nah, Im Asian and I have to agree with him. He has an independent mind. He isn’t biased towards a side, and uses logic and reason for his arguement. And I have to disagree with you on the so-called “White America”. My parents came here as immigrants, but they have worked hard enough to send me to private school. White privilege does not exist with an exception to police brutality. The rich and elites of all races in society hold real privilege.
@@e.m.5353 Perceived light-skinned privilege, for example, exists in darker skinned communities throughout the world. From where does this perception generate? White Privilege exists in schools, it exists in reporting of sports, perception of intellect, and other social mores...That your parents have succeeded, congratulations. Your parents' success does not disprove bias. Success can exist DESPITE bias. Success or lack thereof is not in and of itself a proof of one position. Your assertion, in the face of this truism, possesses a logical flaw. But I am happy for their success.
Pretty amazed while skimming through the comments I see both sides represented. Speaks highly to your channel good Sir. Bringing together a diverse audience without censorship is no small feat.
His fundamental argument, that a debt cannot be inherited, is false. This is a class action lawsuit period and you can inherit from the original beneficiaries. He needs to go ahead and finish law school before he opens his mouth on this topic!!
@@tijan8948 What about moral debts, which were what he talked about? Should Italians pay damn near everybody around the mediterranian for what the Romans did? I guess not. Stick to law/economics, moral philosophy's not your area.
generic username it’s not a moral debt it’s an actual one. The US government taxed Ill gotten income from slave labor. The descents have a right to restitution. There is precedent. Georgetown U paid descendants of the 200 people they sold to save the university. Germany is still paying haulocaust survivors. Cigarette companies are paying the states for damages relating to smoking. It’s basically like a class action law suit. It shouldn’t be controversial, it’s the law.
@@tijan8948 I think you are missing the point of practicality. The idea that reparations could ever be fairly implemented is preposterous. First, would whites whose descendants never owned slaves pay reparations? Or Black people who aren't descendants of slaves receive reparations? Such as blacks & whites that migrated to the U.S. well after slavery was abolished? How about people that are mixed race? would they take money from one hand and put it in the other? What about whites with descendants that fought in the civil war that died fighting the confederacy to free the slaves? Are they due compensation? Also, what if a white person descendant of slave owners is poor.. And a black person descendant of slaves is wealthy? Does one still have to chip in to reparations and does the other still receive? Then also, how much compensation are we talking about per person? $1,000? $10,000? $50,000 per person? Then once reparations are paid out, does that mean that this obnoxious non-conversation about slavery and racism has been concluded, never to be brought up again? Yeah right, as if that'll happen. Lastly do you think it'll actually help? Or perhaps create even more division among people? ...And can you imagine a gov't entity that would actually try to execute this plan in a way that was fair and reasonable. It would never happen. The cost of the research along to figure this all out would cost more then the value of the reparations itself. It's a total pipe-dream.
My great great grandfather was a former slave and had over 400 acres of land that he distributed to his children in MS. He was a MAN, not a victim and wasn't expecting to get reparations nor a hand out.
A famous civil rights leader said many times the American people do more for the humanities in our country than all the politicians, celebrities, pro athletes, educators, and institutions put together. I agree.
"There is a naive assumption that where ever there is a statistical gap in outcomes between two groups that that gap must be attributable to some form of discrimination. Whether it is overt or systemic." This right here is the truth of most "divisive issues" today and I love that Hughes hits its on the head. A perfect example is the wage gap between men and women. We had a huge movement to eradicate a number-a movement that many still believe to be justified (why wouldn't they? We are speaking about "freedoms"). And that number only exists because of psychology and free will.
@@jessethomas9676 I agree. But it starts in the home. A lot of these ideas are culturally pushed on people. It's hard to blame someone when they are constantly told how they are disenfranchised, less than, or worse than X. It's almost like religion.
Exactly. The worst thing ever was allowing the theory of "adverse impact" into the lexicon of Discrimination, and thus Racism. More Blacks suffer from sickle cell anemia than whites. VOILA. PROOF of Systemic Racism.
I Just love Coleman what a wise intelligent young man! we need more people like him who keep there head cool and not playing on emotions but just rational
Two black men presenting their subjective positions with respect and dignity I totally disagree that either one was more emotional and or less critical. Lovely session
I'm latino and black. I don't believe in or would I accept it. There is no systemic racism. There is only racism. I have success in life because of this great country
And because you probably had the following: a mother and father who taught you morals and hard work. You probably at least graduated from HS. You probably are not a drug user You probably have been taught personal responsibility, You probably value family
JDK K I’m not black but I’m a Latino who grew up in a poverty stricken city and yes.... that list is the main problem. I grew up on the negative side of this side of this list.. I’m finally growing out of it and I recently figure out that anyone can make it out of poverty. It’s a mindset all low class people need to change.. mind family are starting to call me white for being successful..
So because we have success and we see others struggling due to systematic racism, then its okay? Try to think beyond the I's and the Me's because this discussion is about a group of people that are struggling and doing the most hideous of things to get by - in some cases. Too many of us have forgotten what it was like to struggle and the metaphysical wall of racism, pulling us further and further into desperation. Well, I haven't and if systemic racism brought them to this condition, then it should bare the costs of repairing the damage that has been done. No, it won't save everyone but it would give them a thread to sew more material onto the rope they are hanging onto and a few more may be able to pull themselves up
I must have misinterpreted what happened when Hughes finished his intro. It seemed like a disgusting few people booed him, and then the chairman responded to this outburst called him "presumptive", but said he still had the right to speak. If that's what happened, that Congressman is absolutely despicable, and incompetent at his role as chairman. I know that's redundant. But it bears mentioning...that worthless fraud should not have supported the booing idiots by saying Hughes daring to disagree with that bad bill is "presumptive". Disgusting. His job, as chairman, is to be objective about such things. But it's become normal for machiavellian congresscritters to abuse hearings in order to one-sidedly advocate for their own shallow political position, attacking the people speaking in order to virtue signal. And they're arrogant enough to think that anyone who criticizes their bill is, indeed, presumptive. How dare the proles be so uppity as to presume they might have some valid opinion?
Agreed as well. I had to play that part back to see if I heard him correctly. Even looked up the meaning of the word "presumptive" to see if it was the same word I was hearing. That last sentence you said was powerful....absolutely no right to insert their opinion.
Don’t disrespect this young man by mentioning his name with Sowell. Sowell is an opportunist who makes a living off of complaining, especially about Black people. With that being said I think both Coates and Coleman are smart and make great points. Coleman can make points about Blacks being against certain things, but what race has a consensus on anything. There are white people who are ashamed to be white based on the actions of some who represent their race. However, I am a proponent of reparations to build Black communities. Most Blacks or anyone for that matter should never receive checks because that won’t help the bigger issue. Since we don’t have a home “country” to build up, we deserve the opportunity to build our own space, just like other races. Systemic racism is real and this young man just hasn’t had it hit him in the face yet. It’s more about economics than race. There has to be a lower class in society and Blacks are it. If we built our own and not try to get white approval we would be better off. Civil Rights killed our economy and led to us losing our sense of self. The longer I am alive the more I realize that Blacks and Whites are not good roommates. I do think these two men are much more similar in thought than it appears.
No amount of money will undo the injustices done to our ancestors or ease the pain of that legacy. Money will do nothing to fix the cultural problems of single-motherhood feeding the crazy homicide rates of our young men. The only ‘reparations’ we should have are investments into our schools to teach resilience and personal individual responsibility. Only a community of responsible resilient individuals can rise above the legacy of slavery....
Wanda Woman .. I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Your absolutely correct. Personally I don’t believe blacks want chance, they just want to make a point about change. Social requirements & injustices etc etc etc but to actually live & be as they claim? I doubt it in a collective sense. The HR40 issue is more about practicality than if it’s deserving. Anyone who doesn’t see that is reaching for straws.
Well said. We need to stop valuing the tangibles and value more the intangibles like self discipline, self love and educational achievements instead of killing each other for running shoes. Its a total perversion of values.
They both have good points. However Coates offered no logical conclusion of how we are going to pay every single Black American. Hughes offered a logical conclusion: compensate African Americans born before the civil rights act. This solution is something that makes rational, fiscal sense, that is less likely to bankrupt the country and more likely to convince Americans of all shades/ethnicities. People in the crowd reacted off pure emotion and the preconceived notion of the side they are on. Yet in the comments of this video seem to overwhelmingly lean to Hughes because he was not only honest about his own situation, but also took the whole of America into account and offered an actual solution. Both of these guys were actually for reparations. One almost solely identified the problems. While the other identified the problems and mades steps towards a logical conclusion. Lastly with regards to Coates, how can one compensate an assumed, inherited negative state of mind? Critical Race Theory, or 'CRT' attempts to do that, and much of it is funded by the government. But it is getting a growing massive push-back because it promotes segregation, psychologically elevates one group above the others (blacks and other poc above whites, and blacks above other poc, which is racial hegemony and the opposite of equality), while cultivating psychologically crippling principles of a victim mentality in blacks and a perpetual never-ending guilt among whites, while assuming/assigning guilt for simply being born. Not to mention it's built on highly manipulative Marxist principles. I support reparations for Black Americans born before the civil rights act. I DO NOT support CRT. CRT IS ABSOLUTELY RACIST and highly manipulative. Even though CRT does not allow open dialogue and is one of the key proponents of intimidation cancel culture, more Americans of all colors will be speaking out against CRT in the future.
Coates: "disparity, ergo slavery, jim crow, and racism." Coleman: "why do you expect disparity to be the exception and not the norm?" This is exactly what our culture is struggling with, hard.
That’s an accurate depiction of their stances more or less but I feel like it demonstrates the err in Coleman’s premise. Equality of outcome is foolish and has never been the aim. However, equality of opportunity or the lack thereof is the single greatest ideal this country has staked its existence on.
@@AdamEdn I'm not 100% following on what Coleman's err is by your comment. Do you mind clarifying a bit? Your comment on equality of outcome being a disastrous goal to have vs equality of opportunity being a noble goal to have, I agree with this 100%. I just don't see how you're lining it with Coleman's point is all. Thanks in advance!
The booing that happened after the second man spoke was absolutely unbelievable. Summed up the black culture in a nutshell. The second mans speech was amazing and phenomenal, how you boo that is baffling.
@@cooleekbrown1728 not about that my brother. its called Truth and Reconciliation. Mandela and Desmond Tutu ran that process in South Africa and helped the country peacefully transition to black majority democracy
Man this makes me thing of relationships. The one who spends the rest of his life letting his ex affect his life and mood will forever live in unhappiness. The man that decides to move on and seek the future because the past couldn’t offer him it, will live much more happily.
@@az7660 🤦🏻♂️my guy, the white people of today have not held any slaves, nor have they gone out of their way to make life hard for black people. You're comparing two totally different things. If I were to take your comment literally, it would mean white people are the perpetrators and black people are the victims. That may have been the case decades ago, but not now. We've had a black president for 2 terms ffs. There is no hindrance to the success of any black person except their own willingness and hunger, and their own culture. ( *disclaimer* ) I'm speaking in general terms coz of course there are white people and black people and people of every colour that are racist. But they do not constitute the majority, atleast today.
JUSTANOTHERWEEB I think your points are fair. But the relationship I’m referring to is that between the American government and its black citizens. America would not be the prosperous nation it became without the free labour of black people, thus all Americans - including successful black Americans- owe their own prosperity today to chattel slavery. I am NOT saying that black people cannot succeed in America, they can. I’m saying they have not benefited from wealth their ancestors earned and deserved. Black “successes” occur despite not having access to this wealth. Also, there are structural hurdles to black people accumulating wealth TODAY which Coates outlined clearly and repeatedly in this talk. There are also so many other examples and resources for this information. Last point, you say inequality is an issue of culture. Are Barack or Hughes not products of black culture? If black people are to forfeit their culture to access wealth, what are they meant to replace it with? White culture? It can’t be American culture, because they built the country - it can’t get more American than that.
This is the demeanor of dialogue that we need to have in this country, and not the name calling and vitriol filled diatribes that pass as debate on our network news channels.
Coates struggle with his constant argument of the past while Coleman holds solid of the present. Reparation is another cash handout that will not solve the cultural issue lacking in black family.
Oh yea... let's only focus on the present. It's not like there's any historical precedent to why the average white family owns 10x the amount of wealth as a black family.
RYan Samuels land grants existed at a time when the US had a LOT of territory and hardly anyone in it. They also wanted to get some of the cities teeming with immigrants to spread out.
@@foxbodyblues6709 My response was to " another cash handout " the motives of the U.S GOv't were clear and well known.. The descendants who received a "cash handout" now want to tell people who were refused the same benefit they are not worthy..... BS
Both of these men are brilliant speakers. Great video that should watched by all. Maybe we can take an example from them and have these conversations, though difficult, with the respect they showed each other.
@Stephen Pierson your broke ass didn't make your own wealth. You thugs obtained it through our blood sweat and tears, while your people supervised! Now say thank you for my forced free labor and the infrastructure we built by hand and pay me my damn money! My children and grandchildren deserve property, a good education, and a head start just like yours. What the fuck are you afraid of? OUR SUCCESS!
@@mareshahisrael2170 There is not a chance that you were involved in slave ownership, so there was no "forced free labor" that you partook in, yet you group yourself in with ancestors that you likely never even met who have suffered things that you aren't even able to comprehend. We are also in 2019. Even in good school districts, statistics show that the black population tend to do worse in grades and success than whites. Truth be told, Asians do considerably better than any other race. The truth is, that blacks, even when given the opportunity, are not taking it. This can be blamed on their home life more than anything. To do anything productive, remove the finger pointing and victim mentality in your home life and teach your children the value of effort in perseverance. Also, the black men that impregnate women and then leave the child in a broken home are equally responsible. All of that is personal choice, nothing systemic about it. No one forces these men to leave the woman they impregnated. Black children in schools have the same opportunities as their white classmates to learn and to succeed, only they choose not to. Yes, there are plenty of racists in the world, just as there are plenty of homophobes, sexists, and outright vile people. But, no one is more responsible for your current situation than yourself.
How a 20 year old magnificently and eloquently develops a vision for the future while a tenured professional writers just banks on victimhood for the past as a career.
It's because the modern statistics don't show systemic racism at all. They need to go back in time and remind all the people who weren't even alive at the time, that they must pay the cost of being the victims and the slave masters again. These people are twisted.
Well said but couldn’t reparations be made in other forms rather than simply writing a check? I feel like we should offer black Americans completely free access to college, incentivize teachers with higher pay to work in underprivileged areas, offer lower home mortgage rates, and create other programs that aim not just to write off the atrocities of the past but to actively invest in the future of those who have been oppressed for too long.
Buck Deniston You’re changing the subject. You’re talking about paying back some owed debt. I’m talking about retributive justice for those wronged by slavery. In tort law, various types of damages can be ruled against a defendant to rectify the wrong/losses, namely compensatory and punitive damages. Compensatory damages, like the name suggests, are intended to compensate the injured party for loss or injury. Black Americans are owed some form of compensation for the damages inflicted upon them. I’m not blaming all white people for slavery but the United States Government certainly is and has a responsibility to rectify its mistakes. The federal government has been sued for wrongdoings countless times. This isn’t anything new.
Buck Deniston I may not have adequately explained why I think you’re changing the subject. It appears you don’t understand what reparations are. I’m not being condescending but I do want to define the term so it’s clear why your comment is off topic. Reparations - the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
Thank you for your comment because it highlights what it was about Coleman's testimony that sounded off key. No one ever consents to being a "victim." Unless of course it's some kinky S&M players. Data is powerful on one hand but in this arena it seems like a slippery slope. Coleman acknowledges that he attended an Ivy League university and the circumstances of his life have afforded him economic security. He does not however, at least in this clip, address redlining, when the data is there to substantiate it. While Coleman elucidates his points very well indeed, citing discrepancies within groups as a means of proving, so to speak, that the historical impact of slavery, lynching and segregation on todays African Americans-is a matter of perspective and choice-while undoubtedly, well intended is a red herring. Mahatma Gandhi, said, "Poverty is the worse form of violence." African Americans did not migrate here. Unlike Kenyans and Russians, African Americans were brought here against their will. They did not apply for citizenship, as did other immigrants. African Americans had to fight for citizenship and the right to drink from the same water fountains as white Americans. Given the fact that incarcerating African Americans to work on chain gangs became the work around for freeing them is certainly relevant to the disproportionate number of African Americans incarcerated today. While the terms of the transaction have changed there is still a profit to be made. For me, at least, in order for Coleman's argument to work the comparison would need to be made solely amongst African Americans first, because of their uniquely shared roots. Having established this most fundamental common denominator, data could then be collected to uncover socio economic discrepancies amongst African Americans. I am not a statistician, but perhaps data could be gathered on a generational basis. This could also prove handy in identifying how many grandparents, Coleman's included, that we all might want to acknowledge as deserving of reparations. More importantly, Congress should come clean and admit that it cannot make reparations without pissing off the rest of the proletariat. The reality is big business runs the government and the rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer, regardless of race. As long as minorities are the problem, it distracts from the real issues now impacting all Americans. For one, Corporate America's outsourcing jobs and evading taxes. Google which corporations did not pay taxes. Greed is color blind. What the wealthy fear most is the citizens of America joining forces for the common good.
@@RA-zu8zj Of course no one ever consents to being a victim, but Coleman's point still stands. Who exactly is the "victim" in this context anyway - is it the past generation of African Americans who went through the suffering / oppression of slavery, or their descendants who currently live in today's America with the same rights as other Americans? Any reasonable person would say its the former, which begs the question why the latter should receive any form of reparations when in reality they have benefitted from affirmative actions. "African Americans were brought here against their will" - yep, it's no secret some Africans sold their fellow men and women as slaves to Europeans and Americans. "Congress should come clean and admit that it cannot make reparations without pissing off the rest of the proletariat." - What difference does it make if they admit it or not? Anyone with a degree of awareness would know giving a particular group a preferential treatment on a questionable ground would agitate the rest of the population.
@@uberboiz "Anyone with a degree of awareness would know ... " that congress was never going to award reparations. The reason I commented mostly was Coleman's comment at the end (it's been a minute) about maybe if congress wanted to give reparations to his grandparents, as he looked across the room at grandparents who were not his.
@@RA-zu8zj What does Coleman's comments about "giving reparations to his grandparents (as he looked across the room)" have anything to do with the points you raised in your original long winded post about incarcerations, immigration, historical impact of slavery, redlining, corporations not paying taxes, etc.? Regardless, the reason behind your comment is irrelevant - I'm more interested in addressing the points you raised and the fallacies attached to it.
@@RA-zu8zj Nah mate - it's pretty obvious you are beyond help, so why would I bother educating you. What bias you are referring to anyway? Pretty audacious coming from you considering you are trying to rebut Coleman's points by speculating on his motive, instead of coming up with a valid argument. Imagine promoting reparations, yet you are only willing to give $1 LOL. Yeah, life changing. Not.
10:24 “Chill, chill chill chill. He was presumptive but he still has a right to speak.” WTF?! Well sir, you’re pompous and you probably shouldn’t speak.
I assume in formal language "presumptive" means speaking before being called on to speak. I think it's normal procedure. Though saying "chill" isn't very professional.
@@boliussa Yes, you're right - only an American could understand the context around why saying 'chill' in this instance is pompous and cringe-worthy. Walk up to an emotional black brother or sister in America and tell him/her to 'chill' and watch what happens. After they've ripped you a new one then you can respond with your "by American standards it's ridiculous that you're upset..." as you run away.
@@thegreattesm But he didn't (speak before being called on). In any case, agreed that it was just plain unprofessional - a simple "order" or "quiet please" would have sufficed.
