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Commodore 128 with SuperCPU playing Test Drive 

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In this video I load and play Test Drive from an original floppy disk on a real Commodore 128 in 64 mode with a SuperCPU. Since this is loaded from an original floppy in a real floppy drive, load times are poor. This is one of the few games that get a complete new life with the SuperCPU. The video frame rate is greatly enhanced, while playability is improved.

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@00Skyfox
@00Skyfox 6 лет назад
I like how the driving animation is done by calculating speed and time between frames to get the distance traveled, rather than updating each frame based on absolute clock cycles that passed (ie. the very fast car animation during the title screens). I wonder what the supercpu would do for Flight Simulator II.
@jmbambi
@jmbambi Год назад
Wow, so that is how this absolutely frustrating game should've been like. I'm still having nightmares of those steep curves with the original framerate.
@Rhythmicons
@Rhythmicons 8 лет назад
The slogan of my childhood: Load "*",8,1
@TheLoveMario
@TheLoveMario 7 лет назад
Fun fact the ",1" at the end isn't needed at all
@Rhythmicons
@Rhythmicons 7 лет назад
muscle memory
@Woot007
@Woot007 7 лет назад
+MarioKart7z well geeking out here it is needed in some cases like if you load a Machine Code program there dosent start in $0800 but all basic programs dosnt require ,1 :)
@tinotrivino
@tinotrivino 7 лет назад
Rhythmicons and press play on tape
@roboak7916
@roboak7916 6 лет назад
,1 was actually needed if a program had special memory loading instructions. I remember a few games I had wouldn't run without this parameter.
@ssdivizion
@ssdivizion 6 лет назад
Those were times...Mid and late 80's...You can go to lunch,watch some tv on some old-school tv-box who weights 50 kg. and then you can back at your room full with high-tech spec gear like this C-128 ....hehe
@NeilRoy
@NeilRoy 11 лет назад
I loved this game on my C64. Test Drive II was really nice for the C64 with the scenery disks and car disk extras you could get. When I got a PC one of the first games I got for it was Test Drive III, which was in 3D and quite nice. I remember showing someone who had an IBM at the time Test Drive on the C64 and they were quite surprised at the sound and music the C64 had compared to their beeps at the time.
@be236
@be236 7 лет назад
Wow , Test Drive on Commodore 64... brings back some memories...
@ArcadeDude44
@ArcadeDude44 10 лет назад
Wow, what great memories...I had, played the Heck out of this one, back in the day!
@Huddison
@Huddison 7 лет назад
Not sure you'll still be making these vids - but Stunt Car Racer would be incredible with your SuperCPU I bet!
@jakubkrcma
@jakubkrcma 3 года назад
That would KICK ASS!!! And speaking of Geoff Crammond, can you imagine REVS! with the SuperCPU??? That would be MAGIC!
@bsvenss2
@bsvenss2 2 года назад
Stunt Car Racer was one of my absolute favorite games! So good!
@Loenne555
@Loenne555 10 лет назад
Impressive performance! Very smooth. Looks great!
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
When I posted my comment, I was correct. Winvice getting SuperCPU 64 support is a real shocker! I hope SuperCPu 128 support is added eventually!
@artbell259
@artbell259 7 лет назад
Looking for other demos of SuperCPU in games, thanks for this, actually quite playable at this speed
@GeirEivindMork
@GeirEivindMork 12 лет назад
@doritostheking In the "Rise and fall" book the engineers say that they initially put a high speed line for the diskdrive in the c64, but it didn't get in. And the drive was utterly slowed down with the vic 20 compability.
@assafshmueli
@assafshmueli 9 лет назад
I used to go to the toilet when the game was loading back then.
@STriderFIN77
@STriderFIN77 6 лет назад
what do you do nowdays?
@raydeen2k
@raydeen2k 5 лет назад
@@STriderFIN77 Nowadays, thanks to IoT, the toilet comes to him.
@STriderFIN77
@STriderFIN77 5 лет назад
@@raydeen2k Yes, i can approves that :D
@treksterjsc
@treksterjsc 5 лет назад
TMI
@zacskou
@zacskou 11 лет назад
You can see the vertical lines and the "noise" in the whole video (especially visible at the BASIC screen), no emulator do this; it is definetly a digitalized RF signal.
@doritostheking
@doritostheking 13 лет назад
@xadam2dudex Yep. Those plugged into the cartridge slot and took over the serial/floppy port. Most common one was called the "Epyx FastLoad".
@alonzovillarreal4666
@alonzovillarreal4666 Год назад
Loved this game on the 64!
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
Yes, a real C128. To be specific it was a Commodore 128D modified into a tower case.
@Bandit-Darville
@Bandit-Darville 9 лет назад
I remember very well getting a maximum score of 40040 points on the first level of this game with the Countach. And that was on a PC with like 10 Mhz and 2 colours, green and black. Good old times :)
@discoHR
@discoHR 8 лет назад
Hercules graphics FTW. :)
@leninalopez2912
@leninalopez2912 5 лет назад
Me too! My first computer. An i286 with 1 meg of RAM, 40 meg of hdd, and an ambar hercules monitor. Still have the monitor, but the machine is now a Am386SX with 4 meg of RAM, and fully populated ISA slots: dual Hercules/SVGA (they map to different memory areas), 14400 baud modem, 2 HDDs, 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 floppys.
@spavatch
@spavatch 11 лет назад
Holy cow, this is Amiga-smooth... o_0
@drkamilz
@drkamilz 13 лет назад
Because of new SID, digitized sounds are less audible. So i confirm, this is real c128.
@jbserra
@jbserra 10 лет назад
Wow, I remember this game on my 888-xt turbo pc. Same game play, but it only had 4 colors. pink, blue, white and black from what I remember... Yes, we played it all day!
@sharptoothtrex4486
@sharptoothtrex4486 4 месяца назад
The Super CPU is a tough one to find in any flea market and thrift store. This is as if finding a needle in the haystack as an example reference.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 4 месяца назад
That's because it came out in the late 90s, well after Commodore's bankruptcy and after the commercial market was getting close to it's lowest point. There's probably low 4 figure numbers sold of all models and even less than that still working and accounted for 😕
@sharptoothtrex4486
@sharptoothtrex4486 4 месяца назад
@@redrumloa You mean the year between 1995-99?
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
This is a 128 in 64 compatability mode. There were programs for the 128 mode, but very few games. Beyond Zork and Last V8 come to mind for games, but really very few. The 128 shinned in productivity software both native and CP/M mode.
@Jani_Ikävalko
@Jani_Ikävalko Год назад
but I think there were c128 version for test drive 2 which greatly improves frame rate
@lurkerrekrul
@lurkerrekrul Год назад
It's a shame that almost none of the games which could benefit from a faster CPU had internal timing that would allow them to run properly at the faster speed. Most of them become unplayable.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa Год назад
That's true. A lot of games won't even load with a SuperCPU. What's a shame is by the time the SuperCPU came out in ~96, the C64 was dead when it came to commercial software. If it would have come out in the 80s or even ~91, maybe it would have extended the platform as a viable game market longer. The modern expansion "Turbo Chameleon" does a better job with it's accelerator function when it comes to games.
@Deathkicker666
@Deathkicker666 8 лет назад
Now is test drive playable :D
@kevinbarton9052
@kevinbarton9052 6 лет назад
Very good, lad. I hope that Ben Heck could use this C64 SuperCPU part mod for the C64 laptop as something new.
@belovedconsole
@belovedconsole 5 лет назад
I love the sound of this, the "quiet" parts, that machinery in the intro! Sound awesome
@belovedconsole
@belovedconsole 5 лет назад
Do you have a video of running Test Drive 2? That was the one that I remember loving so much, more diverse than this one, a worthy successor and fairly well programmed.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa Год назад
If you are still following, I'll do a video soon. I should have new recording hardware.
@illegalquantity
@illegalquantity 8 лет назад
Super smooth gameplay! You should test the Revs on it :)
@dimethyltryptamin
@dimethyltryptamin 8 лет назад
Runs very smooth. Impressive.
@srichard7291
@srichard7291 8 лет назад
Agreed
@rachaelknight8048
@rachaelknight8048 Год назад
yhese was the games in my childhood now look what kids have lol
@icbrkr
@icbrkr 12 лет назад
Huge fan of the game and most of Accolade's stuff at the time. Amazing to see a good framerate off this game.
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz 7 лет назад
What keeps it from going too fast? Does the game use the screen or RTC? We see this effect on early PC games that simply run as fast as the machine can run it and hence we need slow down software or cycle reductions in dosbox. While games made after the first 286 came out didn't run flat out, the C64 was always the C64 and nobody would ever have forseen a 20mhz cpu upgrade and would just run as fast as it can. So what prevents this?
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 7 лет назад
I'm no programmer, but most games accelerated do indeed simply run to fast. I assume for this games they used the same techniques as later FPS games, where they dynamically drop frames to compensate for CPU speed. Then with a faster CPU, it simply drops less frames.
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 6 лет назад
There is no RTC. The game is updating the screen as fast as it can, and there is a lot behind doing so. On the other hand, control checks are done at the same speed. This keeps it running well, since the CPU and VIC-II are bottlenecking each other now. Makes sure everything is still in sync. The SID is operating independently of the CPU and the VIC-II, so it is not affected.
@DestructiveBurn
@DestructiveBurn 12 лет назад
Holly shit! I have been looking for the name of this game for years and i finally got it off this video! I use to play this on my old IBM MS-DoS 3.1 computer. Thanks for the upload!
@NearTheLimits
@NearTheLimits 7 лет назад
The good old days.
@jakubkrcma
@jakubkrcma 8 месяцев назад
Simply wonderful! ❤ Does Test Drive II have the same benefit?
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 8 месяцев назад
Not in my experience. I've never had luck trying Test Drive 2, including an original store bought copy. Others have claimed you can, but I've not found a working version.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
No! It was a 3rd party hardware made by CMD (Creative Micro Devices) back in the 1990s.
@be236
@be236 5 лет назад
Cool.... I had Commodore 64s and 128s when I was a kid...
@jmfilm
@jmfilm 7 лет назад
good old times.... no fucking blue screen smilleeee...And in some years we have the same sound - with electric cars :(
@kekman3923
@kekman3923 6 лет назад
JMFilm Jörg Meixner Windows lol
@martingraat103
@martingraat103 Год назад
I had it on my MS-DOS computer
@1xWertzui
@1xWertzui 3 года назад
Cool, it even got higher framerate without messing up the gameplay/timers.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
It is vastly improved, but still unplayable. That is just a very poorly designed game :-( Check my other videos to see for yourself.
@Corsa15DT
@Corsa15DT 3 года назад
But the supercpu can't solve the problem of non functioning overlapping keys, still can't steer and accelerate at the same time
@TripCannon
@TripCannon 12 лет назад
Nice! Wonder how "Hard Drivin'" would do?
@doritostheking
@doritostheking 13 лет назад
@Mau1wurf1977 The disk drive is so slow because the chip running the port it's plugged in to doesn't work. Rather than delay the machine a few months to design a new chip, commodore just wrote some code to do the same job instead. If the chip worked, it'd be about five times faster.
@zyrgle
@zyrgle 11 лет назад
I was wondering if it can run Crysis...
@dhirajpallin2572
@dhirajpallin2572 2 года назад
This is why we need self-driving cars
@doritostheking
@doritostheking 13 лет назад
@xadam2dudex Well, that's the thing... Commodore didn't want to spend the money. To fix the problem would have needed a new chip design. Commodore would never spend money when a product still sold. Atari did the exact same thing about 7 years later. Only enough retailers complained that they fixed the chips for newer versions. I guess Jack Tramiel never learned.
@delscoville
@delscoville 12 лет назад
Well running in "warp" mode in VIce on a circa 2012 system is so fast, it's unplayable lol. I only use an emulator with certain games that are too hard to read on my little 5" SX-64 screen.
@youtube-ventura
@youtube-ventura Месяц назад
OK now play the Porsche because it's not about the speed, it's about the grip!
@Trancelistic
@Trancelistic 13 лет назад
Played this in school on a ibm. It was even worse then the c64. Ah .. good old days
@dr.ignacioglez.9677
@dr.ignacioglez.9677 Месяц назад
I REALY LOVE MY C64 ❤❤❤❤ FOREVER ❤❤❤❤❤
@kookoon
@kookoon 12 лет назад
Had no idea there was such a thing back in the days. Made this game a lot better.
@jesuszafra
@jesuszafra 14 лет назад
very nice to see your super CPU in action :D I used to play a lot this game, really amazing to see it here boosted.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
Check my other videos for Hard Driving. The gfx is improved but the controls are still total garbage. There is a slightly modified version of Flight Simulator that works, but I was never into flight sims. IIRC there is a modified version of Elite 128 that works too.
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
20Mhz compared to1Mhz of a stock C64.
@Supersaiyan79
@Supersaiyan79 11 лет назад
Have you tried any 3D games like Hard Driving (which was so slow), Stunt car racer or some flight sims?
@simonllawrence
@simonllawrence Год назад
I feel the need!
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 12 лет назад
There is no emulator for a SuperCPU.
@BalczoLev
@BalczoLev 5 месяцев назад
Aveva una colonna sonora fantastica
@zyrgle
@zyrgle 11 лет назад
Amazing frame rate! I still ocassionally play this from an original floppy on my C=64, and it runs at about 4 fps... or maybe closer to a frame every 4 seconds!
@televiciousgoober138
@televiciousgoober138 12 лет назад
hell of a lot better than on the Leading Edge.
@matthewferguson7084
@matthewferguson7084 2 года назад
The best part of these games were the boxes!
@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317
@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317 2 года назад
Great soundtrack
@Ostsol
@Ostsol 11 лет назад
Nice! I played a lot of this game on a Commodore PC40-III, an 80286 IBM compatible. CGA graphics and PC speaker!
@juanangelcarrero1009
@juanangelcarrero1009 Год назад
Un gran ordenador de la década de los 80 👍
@Mau1wurf1977
@Mau1wurf1977 13 лет назад
That's awesome! You seem to know your stuff. Are there ways to improve disk access on a real C64? In particular for the Game Maniac Mansion and Zak McKracken. Or are there adapters to load the game from a CF or SD card and things like that? I always wondered why the disk drive was so slow compared to the PC and Amiga.
@danksmokaz
@danksmokaz 11 лет назад
wtf...this game looks fantastic killer frame rate.....whats the super cpu clock speed and 16mb whoa!!
@youdud44
@youdud44 11 лет назад
Accolade..? Oh god, why couldn't they have been happy with Test Drive and NOT make Bubsy... T_T
@TheLoveMario
@TheLoveMario 7 лет назад
Too bad SuperCPU128 emulators don't exist yet D:
@rvounik
@rvounik 12 лет назад
well, it wasnt really available 'back in the days'.. :) the supercpu was released in 1996.. I think?
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero 10 лет назад
Oddly it looks about equal with Test Drive 2: The Duel on the Megadrive :s
@ratix98
@ratix98 13 лет назад
oh god why its like test drive 3 all over again! so if im guessing its the same way with really old PC games as well. the game's limit is the superCPU limit IE running balls out. i bet if you played marble madness you'd get the same effect but it would render it unplayable D: it has its good points and drawbacks. racing games obviously gained the most. i love it
@stupossibleify
@stupossibleify 7 лет назад
I'm struggling to understand what it is about this game's programming that can allow the frame rate to increase, rather than just the speed of time progression
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 7 лет назад
You'd have to ask someone like a programmer in the C64 scene on how they think it was accomplished. This isn't the only game without any modification, that benefits but they are few and far between. I'd guess that gfx updating just use whatever CPU cycles are available, like later 3D PC gaming.
@stefankrautz9048
@stefankrautz9048 7 лет назад
SuperCPU is a 65816 on 20 Mhz (instead 1 Mhz on the original) . Graphik and sound run so fast because its synced to cpu-sped. Every time the CPU has no machine code to execute. Every is on a extra module which needs extra power.
@spavatch
@spavatch 11 лет назад
I think what you're looking for might be Accolade Comics: Steve Keen - Private Spy ;).
@999shazam
@999shazam 5 лет назад
Good old BASIC! 😁👌
@SilverSpoon_
@SilverSpoon_ 4 года назад
wew it's sluggish on your emulator, but I remember that game on the C128, it was a must!
@hashimotokobayashi2244
@hashimotokobayashi2244 Год назад
I'd lose my shit if I had this back in the day 🤓
@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317
@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317 2 года назад
Such a hard game to play. There didn’t really appear to be a put-put, I’m new to computer games mode.... just jump in your Testa Rossa and hug the cliffs....
@codprocamp4690
@codprocamp4690 Год назад
What's up with the shifter disappearing between shifts?
@pcsocket462ecsviak7vza
@pcsocket462ecsviak7vza 2 года назад
Atari with rapidus runs zx spectrum software what about super cpu?
@dave4shmups
@dave4shmups 12 лет назад
Nice video!!! Do all Commodore 128's have the SuperCPU installed??
@fuzzywzhe
@fuzzywzhe 11 лет назад
Wow, somebody actually ported a game, well, a PROGRAM, to the C=28? The only thing I ever used on it was SpeedScript. That was $300 flushed down the drain.
@BnpCanKissMyBlackAss
@BnpCanKissMyBlackAss 10 лет назад
We had it bad in those days :-(
@fubaralakbar6800
@fubaralakbar6800 5 лет назад
The game that made me a Lotus fanboy :D
@caiosm1005
@caiosm1005 10 лет назад
To think cell phones do much more than that today is crazy.
@oldtwinsna8347
@oldtwinsna8347 6 лет назад
Cell phones? Your mouse has more computational power than the 6510.
@RABBIDGamfan
@RABBIDGamfan 11 лет назад
It's still impossible to play it without driving like a drunken maniac in a Yugo.
@albdamned577
@albdamned577 8 месяцев назад
I wish someone made a game like this but each level has more traffic and congestion, about level 18 or so you are just stuck in traffic😂.
@p0llenp0ny
@p0llenp0ny 4 года назад
Skip to 2:51.
@Corsa15DT
@Corsa15DT 3 года назад
Its playable now
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 11 лет назад
Yes, I used to be for may years.
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 11 лет назад
Well, that's smooth...
@joelparker1528
@joelparker1528 11 лет назад
i am looking for the title of a com64 game featuring a spy and a comic book dragnet or something
@zoxwolf2133
@zoxwolf2133 7 лет назад
Amazing
@UTUBESUCK666
@UTUBESUCK666 11 лет назад
Winvice 2.4.0 and up now do emulate SuperCPU. I'm running some SuperCPU stuff right now on my PC. The special executable is xspcu64.exe. Get version 2.4.3, just came out today (March first 2013).
@redrumloa
@redrumloa 12 лет назад
Bzzt wrong, but thanks for playing! Google "SuperCPU 128" and check back in.
@falkaseltza
@falkaseltza 10 лет назад
wow, its better than burnout ;)
@aaronjden
@aaronjden 11 лет назад
you sir, are a legend
@jakubkrcma
@jakubkrcma 11 лет назад
Actual driving: 2:50 and 5:25
@thelasthallow
@thelasthallow 13 лет назад
I have a 5 and a quarter inch floppuy drive in my windows 7 64 bit machine and when i did a speed test it did about 11KB/s
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