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Comparing ink usage of the Epson P700 or Canon Pro-300- Fotospeed | Paper for Fine Art & Photography

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In this weeks video we are hopefully not going to controversial with this weeks video. Tim will be looking at the Epson P700 and the Canon Pro-300 and which uses the lest amount of ink when printing an A3 Fine Art Print. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
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@herewardukulelegroup1034 Год назад

Hi Tim, Try printing a run of 5 prints between weighings, and then maybe 10. You should get 5 and 10 grams for the Epson, and if the Canon uses less than 25 and 50 grams you've probably got your answer regarding the cleaning cycles.

@rlast123 Год назад

Had the Same idea…

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@crislombao Год назад

Can also remove the cartridges, wheiigh them, install, turn the printer on, then remove the cartridges again without making any prints and check if the wheiigh is the same. That will tell if the cleaning cycle after installing a cartridge consumes any ink.

@crislombao Год назад

By the way, appreciate your video and the test..Thanks!

@hugaukulele Год назад

@@crislombao Good point.

@larrygray1557 6 дней назад

Two suggestions: 1) Run a portfolio of 10 different photos for broad ink usage and then weigh. Subtract the 5 and 1 gram from the total to control for possible cleaning and divide by 9. 2) don't generalize print quantity in cartridge as an offset, but since paper and other supplies are the same, use cost per ml (convert to grams) of ink. in US$, the Pro-300 the 14.5ML @ $13 = $0.92/ml; while the P700 25ml at $38 =$1.52/ml. That is a significant difference and probably represents gross overpricing by Epson when compared to the same in in the 50ml P900 cartridge. For the least expensive printing, it may be better to go straight to either the P900 or Pro-1000 where their cost is 50ml@$44=$0.88/ml and 80ml@$60=$0.88/ml respectively.

@iankannerup6104 Год назад

Regarding ink consumption, what about weight of the paper before and after printing??

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Thank you I'll give that a try as well. This is defiantly part one of this video. Tim

@rlast123 Год назад

Tim, there is a simple test you can do: print two copies on each printer. (Without taking the cartridges out between the two copies. for the Epson you likely get 1+1ml usage, the canon might give 5+5, or 5 + something. If it is 5+5, then it’s real 5ml / A3 sheet, I expect however it will be 5+ something ml…

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@simonemastellonephotography 19 дней назад

or just misure all printer

@johnchambers6272 Год назад

Really appreciate these videos that you have been putting out on papers and printers. They are very helpful. Looking forward to the test on the Prograf Pro-1000 and P900.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Thank you. Glad you like them!

@ItsWillLee 9 месяцев назад

You could weigh the paper first with no print, then weight it to se how much weight is added after printing. This way there is no removing of the inks.

@Photonikon780 Год назад

It would be interesting to know how much gloss optimizer was used because the Epson does not use optimizer where the Canon does. Just a thought

@MrBlubb80 Год назад

I’ve been tracking the weight of my Canon Pro-1000 waste ink cartridge. First print of the day uses around 3-4ml for cleaning, all following prints use much less. This would be fine for me. However, without any notice the printer performs some what I imagine to be „deep cleaning“ routine where around 50ml of ink are used. I find this and the lack of any message by the printer and communication by canon explaining the necessity of such a procedure absolutely outrageous.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

This does seem to be true on the Pro-1000, and allowed for this on the Pro-300. Going to do some more tests with more prints at least 10 on each printer. Hopefully better results. Tim

@dmitryshokur1543 Год назад

Canon is using more ink since every time you are pulling out a cartridge, in your case to weigh it, the printer triggers cleaning cycle. I would suggest to look at Red River cost of inkjet printing calculation, which would give you the cost of printing in the best case scenario. The actual cost is going to be higher than that due to cleaning cycles, since Red River calculation is based on printing 200 prints simultaneously, which is seldom the case for most of the users.

@simontranter560 Год назад

Maybe weigh and then print 10 images, then re weigh.. that should highlight any cleaning process.. great video.. looking to buy my first photo printer

@mofotose Год назад

The SC-P900 is more economical in the long run due to bigger cartridges (physically the same as the P700 but with more ink in them). If you buy the P700 - order a complete set of ink at the same time. After initialization there is only about 15% left in the initialization cartridges (that is actually heavier and probably containing more than the normal ones) - A LOT of ink is used to fill the hoses to the print head. From what I can remember about 30% is left in the P900 cartridges after initialization.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@rogerwalton8160 Год назад

Weigh the maintenance cartridge too? (Does the Canon have one?)

@FotospeedUK Год назад

The Pro-300 doesn't have one i'm afraid. Tim

@DannyPerfect 3 месяца назад

What you should have done is weigh the paper before and after printing to see how much ink is actually on the page.

@chrisnassef8689 Год назад

I agree with the comments about doing multiple prints before weighing to take out the variable of putting the cartridges back in. Another question, could the use of chroma optimizer on the canon account for some of the difference, or does the Epson have some other method for managing gloss differential?

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Yes I will be doing this hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@alloaphotographers6513 Год назад

Do 2 prints with the canon and then check them see what the difference is

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Going to run 10 on each printer and see the average. Hopefully better results. Tim

@brianlaunchbury4491 Год назад

In addition to printing more test sheets I'd use a darker image, as well, for half the prints (such as a night sky) this should increase the amount of ink use.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@LennyCooke636 2 месяца назад

The cleaning cycle in the Canon waste a lot of ink. You can actually see the results of a cleaning cycle on the LCD of the PRO-300.

@jtidsskids 6 месяцев назад

I own a Canon Pro-10s which uses the same print head as the Prograf-300. Both are notorious for conducting a purge cycle when one or more cartridges are changed. The general recommendation is to change multiple cartridges at once i.e. all those displaying a yellow exclamation mark when the first approaches empty. The test methodology is poor : why not invest in some decent scales and weigh the paper before and after printing ? However the ink use per print is not very useful as its the frequency and ink use of purge/cleaning cycles that is of more interest to low volume home printers.

@Canigetanawwwwyyyyeeeah 9 месяцев назад

Canon in its 1st ink test uses 1.87% (5g of 287g) of ink. Epson…0.11% (1g of 863g) for its A3 print. If your weighing and wondering the stats

@Vinhmm 4 месяца назад

Did you check the weight of the maintenance tank of the Canon?

@nickyfoulkes8476 Год назад

Perhaps you would have to do the test with 2 new machines. Weigh the new cartridges put them into the new printers & print. That would mean that both printers would run their new set up and cleaning. Then re weigh. Just a thought.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Thank you for the feedback and ideas, keep your eyes peeled for part two of this with a follow up.

@dlphotodlphoto1098 Год назад

This was very interesting, sounds odd but also weighing each print may reveal more , as its the same image n paper in theory should be identical , this may point towards cleaning of the canon , never the less very interesting Tim.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Thank you I'll give that a try as well. This is defiantly part one of this video. Tim

@TonySmithUK Год назад

Thanks for that, look forward to the Canon explanation. The audio is much clearer this week (normal)!

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Thank you and glad it was better. Tim

@photoalexiou Год назад

I think you should weight the entire printer before and after the print..anyway nice video..

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Defiantly going to expand on this. Tim

@robertstonephoto Год назад

On the Canon ... make 3 prints between weighings. Three prints, still 1 exchange. Was the change 15 or just 6?

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@jaycee6996 Год назад

I use the pro 300. Recently I was printing in black and white for a while and the colour cartridges went down amazingly quickly although they were not being used. Whatever the Canon does when it initiates for even a B/W print it appears to waste an unacceptable amount of the ink in the colour cartridges. In terms of improving the bottom line for the manufacturer it is reminiscent of my old Epson XP-235 which eats ink like a Great White Shark eats seals.

@MrBlubb80 Год назад

BW prints always also use Color inks independently of model or manufacturer. Having said that Canon wastes excessive amounts of ink for cleaning.

@mikecna 7 месяцев назад

Why don’t you print more pages before checking ? Print like 5 or even 10 and only then remove them to check. You ll have a better view

@badpilotstudio Год назад

sad that you don't have distibutor in Poland...

@spid7223 Год назад

Maybe weigh the paper before and after and see if that comes to anything, very interesting though.

@MrBlubb80 Год назад

Ink may contain water / liquid component that evaporates once printed?

@stephanandersen7643 Год назад

Why not weigh the paper before and after printing, i think it would be more acurate :)

@johnhjic2 Год назад

Hello Tim, Not the right question, with has better software and is easier to use?

@XtianApi 11 месяцев назад

Do maybe 5 prints then weight once

@davidkirk1426 Год назад

Yeah, more scientifically accurate I'd be looking at printing a larger "batch" of prints, and print to the end of the print run, replacing inks as necessary over a run of at least 50 prints. Likewise for the Pro-1000 and P900 - weigh a full set of new inks before loading in to the printers and then only weigh the inks registered as empty after the run

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Very good point, I will be doing more tests hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@PeterWigenBjarnoe Год назад

Then you could have printed TWO pictures and see if the number is twice as high on the Canon.

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Yes I will be doing this hopefully have the results next week in a Q&A live. Tim

@A-view-from-above Год назад

Hi, thanks for this review, stuck between buying either of these, so how many A3 prints would you think a set of inks would get you for each printer? Thanks

@FotospeedUK Год назад

Its hard to say but i'd think at least 50 out of the box? Possibly a little less on the Canon due to the smaller cartridges. Tim

@A-view-from-above Год назад

@@FotospeedUK Thank you the response, don’t get much from them then? The quality seems superb from the reviews you have done on it but the outlay is quite a wallet killer. Thanks