I love how much more blunt Aizec is lol. Chris is usually very careful when talking about a paddle he doesn't like, while Aizec is just straight up like "I hated this thing" 🤣
$300!? Who are these guys!? JK. Thank you so much for the chat about our bag. And we’ll keep making it better as we get more feedback like this. Keep up the great work you guys. Always amazing content. 🔥
Hey! Great podcast! As someone coming from the 14mm Mach 2 Forza, I'm curious about your opinions on the pros and cons of the 16mm M.2.F. vs the Fat Boy. Thanks!
Never should've gotten to this point. The Gen 3s and the Gearbox are not good for the sport. It's annoying playing against a Gearbox as shit shots become winners as the ball is on you way quicker then normal paddles and you can't get out the way which of course at some point is gonna lead to someone getting hurt. We're no longer gonna be playing chess in Pickleball it's just gonna become dodgeball
Chris, loving this comparison video of wide body paddles. I got the Mach 2 Forza 4-5 months ago and LOVE it. Spartus sent me the Apollo to try and I enjoyed it as well but the edge guard started to come unglued in two weeks of play. They sent me a new one but that was a little worrisome. Did you weight your M2F up at all?
Ugh!!! How could you not have the Gruvn Muvn-16S or 14-S in this line up?! I was so excited to see the subject of this new video only to be sorley disapointed that you didn't include one the the best standard shape paddles ever made. What the heck guys?!! :(
@@PickleballStudio It's not like there's a ton of standard shaped / wide body paddles that should even make this list. You only talked about a handful anyways and I believe you already tested and reveiwed the Gruvn Muvn-16S and 14-S and I htought you guys really liked it. So, why didn't it make the list?
Chris, I imagine one of the reasons that USAP felt particularly compelled to go after JOOLA is the fact that the company was pretty much giving the USAP rulebook the double middle fingers in their advertising; after all, they were actively promoting the fact that the paddles exhibit what amounts to a “diving board effect.“ I can’t quote chapter inverse from the USAP rulebook, but there’s something in there that explicitly refers to paddles not exhibiting a trampoline - type effect.
I'm looking for a soft paddle with lots of pop, a 5.3-5.5 inch handle and to tier spin. Basically i want the Volair Mach 1, but with more pop and more spin if possible
The thing that drew me away from the KTCHN bag is the separate shoe cube. If you attach it to the bag it makes the bag huge. And i don't want to carry it in my hands that why I bought a backpack. I actually pre-ordered the ADV backpack v2 and that seems like the perfect bag for me now that they made it more pickleball friendly.
thank you for adding this - great value. I bought an Adidas Excel 6 and use the laptop sleeve for a paddle holder. I think some things these days are over-engineered, but then warrant a huge price. Like when you get a dinner it's really two dinners worth of food but it's how they get away with charging more. 'Merica !!
I always enjoy when the BLO makes an appearance and offers his opinions on paddles. I see it as a benefit overall since Aizec has a different stature and playstyle than Chris, thus differing opinions from a different perspectives. Great discussion on all the standard shaped paddles and I agree that many players would benefit from using one! I recently went from a hybrid shape back to a standard debating between the Volair Forza M216 and PIKKL HP16; I ultimately went with the HP16. It's been my Goldilocks paddle after playing a 6.0 DBD16 for the past 9 months. The HP16 just helps me play better in all the areas of my game that I needed. If you have the time I'd love to see a Volair FM2 & PIKKLE HP review, or a maybe a standard/wide body comparison video once the Fat Boy, Quartz, and 11Six24 Monarch are all released?
Matt Wright gotta pro bono the USAP lawsuit. Aizec gotta become a permanent addition to the show, he's blunt, hes not scared to speak his mind about paddles.
Love the hesacore. I have one for each paddle so no need to remove and put on. The hot water method works well. I also use baby oil. Works well, too. Helps with my tennis elbow by reducing the vibrations.
Going to give Jack Sock a run for his money in the back end? 😂 Yay, BLO made the video! Golf club grip solution also helps the hesicore slide right on.
Yes, do a review on the Forza Mach 2! Compare to the Apollo. Have you tested using any lead tape with it to get a bit more power? Thanks for all the info!
I enjoyed the podcast with Aizec. Ed Ju has put out several videos on how to put on the Hesacore grip. Ed’s latest video shows an easy way that he puts on his Hesacore grip. I made it to the kitchen and enjoyed the memes. Thank you Chris and Aizec.
Whatever you do for the colors, make sure they put grit in the paint for the lines so they don't make the ball skid/skip. I don't understand why so many courts have slick lines.
One thing to think about is how hot or cold and moisture you get where you live. Black court evaporation rate and heat is higher for cold weather play and light gray is cooler for hot day play.
Looking forward to the standard comparison! Please include the ALW. Aizec has great insight and we know what he likes, not standards but he still knows what a standard paddle should be.
As much as I like Will as the host and Chris as the cohost, Aizec seems to mesh better with Chris that supports the phrase “Chris is the host and Aizec is the cohost” better 😂😂
Yes, Joola files $200,000,000.00 lawsuit, I love it! You wanna mess around USAP, let's go, welcome to the real world, pickleball is a real sport now, not your private backyard treehouse/playground. Your actions now have real world consequences! :) Go Joola!
@@robedwards6926You missed my point, it doesn't really matter, but for what it's worth, I think Joola will prevail in their law suit. By design, our legal system is adversarial in nature, and this intense battle will finally shed light on what exactly is going on at USAP paddle testing. No more "he said, she said", no more evasiveness, no more "black box" paddle testing mysteries, no more vague metrics, no more secrets, just an intense spotlight, designed to flesh out the truth. It's my humble opinion, that USAP has been flying by the seat of their pants for ever, collecting significant amounts of money, while being unresponsive to brands/manufactures, and having had zero scrutiny/accountability. If you would like to take the other side of that coin, you're free to do so, that's the beauty of our adversarial legal system. Regardless of the outcome of this $200,000,000.00 law suit, this is the first time USAP has ever been held to account by a sizeable, well financed global corporate entity(Joola), and the United States legal system. This is a good thing for the sport, and it is long overdue.
Love the bag.. Have a magnetic towel that just attaches to the outside magnet.. If you're like Chris you can use the shoe pocket for additional items since you wear your shoes.. It also has a clip in a pocket to attach your keys..😊
The problem with the Joola 3 wasn’t the power. It was extremely difficult to determine the speed of the ball bc it would fly off even with half swings. The trampoline effect hid the actual speed and gave it a massive advantage. At pro level and beginner, the paddle seems to matter very little. Paddle tech seems to matter from 4.0-5.0
Chris, while there's nothing wrong with Patrick (he has a very nice game), if you want to start winning hardware at 5.0, you need to follow Will's lead and start playing with Aizec (he's a stud).
@@PickleballStudio That may be, but nothing's better than playing with family (I just played a couple of tournaments with my daughter, and they were the best tournaments of my life (even though we didn't even medal)). You don't have to play all tournaments together, but once in a while would definitely be fun (both for you two and for us to watch).
There are some courts in Crystal Minnesota that have light blue kitchens and around noon. The sun really reflects off of that light blue maybe a darker blue for the kitchen.:-)
Spartus Apollo is only $110 with a military discount. I’m currently running lead tape bottom two sides and top two corners. Think it is 8.9oz after lead, tape, and hesacore grip, and overgrip. Really pleased with it!
The Apollo is my favorite paddle I've ever tried. I have 3 of them now, two of which I alternate using and will not use the third until the other two are worn out. I keep one paddle stock and have weighted up the other. For the weighted paddle, I have 2 grams around 10:00 and 2 grams around 2:00. I also have 4 grams around 4:00-5:00 and 4 grams around 7:00-8:00. I still can't figure out if I like the Apollo better weighted or stock.
In my experience the 16mm mach 2 is great. but the ruby feels similar just better in every way. The dwell and feel of the ruby is better, and the control feel when adjusting for variable ball speeds is far superior... I wanted to like the mach 2 more than the ruby, but frankly just couldnt.
My everyday paddle is the Volair M2F, and purchased the 16mm hurricane pro from Pikkl after looking at all its stats. They are not the same in feel. M2F has a more crisp feel and easily be controlled, from a drive to a drop. Hurricane was more plush and has a thunk sound to it. Less control than the M2F. My 2 cents. I'm going back to the Volair as I found the ONE (for now)
A couple of more serious comments... 1. Once I saw the spelling of Aizec's name, I was more self conscious to write it correctly so I would look it up. 2. Aizec looks like his name - I didn't make the comment, but with the hair he could potentially put out a Native American vibe, so I could see someone thinking "Aztec" 🤷
I have a Vatic Pro Prism Flash and am looking to get my first thermoformed paddle. Would you recommend upgrading to an Apollo, Mach 2, or J3K or would it not be a noticeable improvement in play?
I will say, I LOVE my hesacore! My grip was too slippery with my DBD, (obviously an overgrip would’ve helped) so I got the white grip and overgripped and will never go back. Definitely a preference thing, but I do love it. My wife has one too now.
Hey! Been watching the show for a month or so now. I've started buying a few paddles to figure out what I like and also to teach family & friends. My goal is to have a variety of paddles for others to try out. Here's what I have: Selkirk Luxx - Invikta Selkirk Power Air - Epic Paddletek Bantam TKO-CX 13.7 Vatic Pro Prism Flash 14mm I'm looking to add a couple paddles to the collection in the future. I'm going to skip Joola paddles for now as that's what most of my friends have. What recommendations do you have? Thanks
Why are there not stiffness ratings on pickleball paddles? Coming from tennis, there’s a stiffness/“RA” rating for every single racquet. I’ve never once had wrist pain in 8 years of tennis until last week. Been playing pickleball for 3 months. This needs to become standard in pickleball ASAP.
Ok, then my idea of renaming the podcast "Dink & Dunk the Paddle Brothers" might not be such a bad idea? If you go for it I will help decide who is who! LOL
Personal performance (e.g., do you take lessons, drill, practice, etc.) should not be overrun by a paddle that has been engineered to allow a beginner to beat a 4.5 because it has too much ball velocity, power, etc. It’s akin to aluminum bats for high school and college baseball.
Your court: Make it fun! Vibrant. Don't be upset with the brightness Over time it fades out.. And be sure to have your contractor focus on building a solid foundation for the court. Worst thing is to start having cracks after 3 years. (Make it part of your warranty! And save the paper work!!!) Keep up posted! #PickleballChris #TylerWrenProPickleball #OptaHealthAndWellness #RawPickleballBuzz
I totally feel ur guys pain. I'm a wedding photographer and very particular about my bags. Spent 300ish on my Wandrd Bag and 500+ on my rolling bag. I will definitely check out the kitchen bag.
Chris, time to review the new upcoming Six Zero Black Diamond 14 mm and the RUBY 14 mm. If people liked the RUBY 16 mm the 14 mm will blow you away. More power, lower swing rate, better twist and super well balanced.
I always play my GBPwrE against any Joola G3s. Newcomer to the paddle game, THOMPSON has some new tech that takes on several of the shortcomings most paddles have. Sweet spot size, vibration damening and looks.
About Aizec's experience with vibrations on the Apollo, since there is a gap between the rubber band and the paddle, it acts like a guitar string and it produces more vibration. The owner of Spartus said "The rubber band is a little bit stiffer than others, and if placed too high, there will be a gap between the rubber band and the face, which allows the rubber band to vibrate like a guitar string. It sounds stupid but it's for real." Try removing the rubber band to see if it makes a difference.
How many replicates from a company of model "X" paddle, are sent to USAP for approval ? Then specs are sent to China, for example, and mass produced ....Is there ever any sampling of the mass produced paddles to help ensure they conform to the specs that were approved by USAP?
I havw volair mach 2 and apollo, i keep going back to volair, for some reason volair hits better for me and ball goes to where i want to send it. Apollo is hella gritty tho. Maybe i need to play with apollo more.. 🦍
So for too much vibration in the handle, do you guys use a different replacement grip or something like a comfort over grip to avoid the vibration. Or is just “O that vibrates” and then you just put it down?
Josh Kim from Spartus has written some very insightful comments regarding the lawsuit (I read them on Reddit). I didn't realize he has such deep experience in law. Love the standard paddle impressions!
Loving all the recent discussions about standard shape paddles. Is there a release date set for the Fat Boy? And do either of you know how the pop/power compares to the OG thermos (DBD)?
Here’s the easy answer on what to do with your court. Do the actual court in more traditional colors. But do the area surrounding the court, the out of bounds, in the PBStudio colors. Best of both worlds, you get to have your color scheme represented, and get a traditional court.
Be careful making the kitchen too light. Our local indoor place has light blue kitchens and the first two weeks of play there were pretty rough because I kept losing track of the ball during dink rallies. They've gotten dirty since then, so it's a lot easier to see now
Control+ will give you more offense although it still has good control. The Mach 2 Forza is pure control. Low power and also low pop makes the short game much easier to master.
Nice pod today. Some really good info. I love the long reviews but we also want to know how similar paddles play in relationship to each other. I will say that I think the lines will continue to blur moving forward. Standard paddles will move in new and more powerful directions is my bet.
