Conlang Critic Critic Episode One: jan Misali 

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16:43 If someone makes a jan Misali iceberg "jan Misali gaslit the creator of kay(f)bop(t)" needs to be an entry

The part about how jan Misali accidentally gaslit the creator of kay(f)bop(t) for almost half a decade because his computer couldn't render IPA symbols is actually hilarious

the intro should have been "... the show that gets facts wrong about your favorite show that gets facts wrong about your favorite conlang"

good april fools joke, you're only 353 days early.

Conlang Critic Critic Episode Two: B. Gilson

I literally started jumping up and down with excitement when you said “Im a bit excites, because this episode is a first in a few ways”

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The artifexian section with the music was soul-healing

“overall i like this one more than the yaoi episode” is all i can hear when you talk about aUI

Ygyde islamophobia? What lore did I miss, someone fill me in

now I want to rewatch the conlang critic playlist for the second time

I am watching this and with all that comment from LingoLizard it feels like I am with a friend-conlanger watching jan Misali and not alone in the room in my own interests for however long

(26:10) Note the usage of "kili" (fruit) for multiple fruits and "pipi mute" (bug many) for multiple bugs. He only puts the plural on the second because English doesn't normally say "fruits" and only "fruit" but would say "bugs". But there's plenty of languages that commonly use fruit in plural, like Swedish.

The unexpected crossover. Especially a series revival. Nice

So enjoyed being interviewed for this!!! Thanks so much for the amazing job you've done to make this haha

Sidenote: When I started watching Conlang Critic, the latest episode out was the Kay(f)bop(t) one. That was my introduction to cursed conlangs, and I soon made Kay(h)use(g) as my first proper conlang. Much later on, when LingoLizard submitted their CCC2 lang Touching Grass, I soon submitted my own CCC2 lang RøTa as a first stab into competitive cursedlangery. When the CCC3 eventually starts, of course my lang for then will have to be more ambitious. Sidenote 2: I’m also someone with the NCVS, but unlike Misali: 1. My STRUT vowel is [ʌ] unironically 2. I have the cot-caught merger 3. Schwa is merged with KIT instead of STRUT [ɘ~ə]

13:44 it's more complicated than that. "inuit" refers to a specific family of tribes, and is not the correct word for some peoples covered by the slur. here at least the term "Alaska Native" is preferred

(25:30) I also wake to criticise the use of ぴ over ひ for "pi" (and all other p- in there) for hiragana. I understand that ゜is used here to change what's in rōmaji is H to P, but tokipona doesn't use H, so you can just skip the ゜. You can just say that ひ is pronounced /pi/ in tokipona.

I can’t believe you’re ending the series so soon, I was hyped for the potential episodes on Otto Jespersen and B. Gilson

Me after 30 minutes of watching this, in my best Lethal Weapon impression: "I'm getting too neurotypical for this shit"

I disagree with the premise that "any conlang can be considered good if it follows its own goals". I think if a goal is not worth pursuing (e.g. an English-based IAL), then it's not a good language, even if it succeeds at that goal. (apologies if you mention this later in the video)

Found this literally the day after I finished every Conlang Critic video

33:18 WOW, the detail of removing the pauses between words when talking about a lack of pauses between words. A lovely detail!

I love this episode. There were a few moments where I definitely wanted to shout "Shots fired!" but you guys probably know which moments those are so I won't specify them now. Also, biggest what the h3ck moment: ranking of the Iqlic episode. Did I miss something there? But yeah, awesome video, man.

53:20 Globasa allusion! 1:13:41 second allusion let's goooo!!! Things I say with humorous intent but at least partially actually mean aside, this is a fantastic breakdown/highlight compilation/opinion piece with fact-checked addenda with basically nothing for me to complain about, especially seeing as this is the most new CC content I've seen since the infini-hiatus (which as cope I still tell myself will end once as many months have passed as there have been people who asked when the next episode will come out, as jan Misali had said on social media some years ago), making this easily the best critique critique I've ever watched so far. (If you ever find the time, though, I'd be very curious to hear what kinds of problems you have with Globasa)

3:30 shouldve said "you silly billy"

You should make a video on B. Gilson

Happy New Year! Also feels like Alexander Pope and Thomas Hearne rivalry😂.

11:00 "Novicki is a very polish surname which explains the islamophobia" well he's not wrong

44:37 nitpick but it should be compatible with those languages since the Elefen documentation says that h can be left silent if the speaker prefers (e.g. ba-amas instead of bahamas) while only being present in very few words, which is probably why jan misali didn't mention it, but i don't blame you for missing it for that reason lol anyway loved the video!! as someone who's also binged conlang critic, this felt like a nice sort of closure to a lot of the episodes that the original series kind of lacked, especially with the interviews. huge props to you for making it happen.

while i think the critique regarding anusvara is valid, i do agree with jan Misali in using in the hangulization. the and vowels are just combinations of and with . it also keeps better symmetry.

30:04 kinda. Polish does kinda have /h/ as an allophone of /x/. I speak Polish natively. Also the orthography still has a /h/ and /x/ distinction even if in pronunciation they're allophones. /h/ - h; /x/ - ch

The amount of mic changes in jan Misali's series is insane lmao

15:24 prolangs jumpscare

Thank you for putting so much effort into this! My favourite parts were the interviews/statements from the conlangers. I also just really appreciated an outside opinion and overview on the conlang critic series in general

overall, this episode isn't good. it spends its time making petty nitpicks, and criticising things that based on conlang critics goals (getting facts wrong) don't need criticism.

25:27 te reo māori also has phonemic vowel length distinction, so surely you’d need to double this for those..?

I think this is one of my new favourite RU-vid videos

One moment of the Vötgil episode that I love and that not many people seems to talk about is when jan Misali demonstrates their proposed simplified phoneme inventory. Eet wuud saoond samseen laeek zees. Eevan zaoo eet maeet saoond shwans, eet eez steel almaoos kampleelee andastandabal too naeeteev eengleesh speekaz! Also one nitpick you missed is that Zamenhof's native language would've probably been either Russian or Yiddish, not Polish, which he learned later.

the translation "moku ko pi pona" at 27:16 is ungrammatical, it should be "moku ko pona"

great video! although just so you know the links to the channels in the description seem to be broken

BUT WHEN BILLY RAY WALDON-

More than the endless void of nothingness, which has a distinct colour of slate-blue.

Thank you for making this this is really good

16:50 Thanks for this. I loved learning this.

Incredible

29:42 as a Punjabi, thank you

im a bit excited

Love this. Watched all of it. Thank you! As a fellow long-time fan of Conlang Critic, I have my own opinions of the episodes. Poliespo is my #1, it is absolutely hilarious how Misali just craps all over it, and for good reason. I agree Sambahsa is great as well, but the verbs part with the screwed-up audio was extremely annoying. I get it, it was on purpose, but still annoying. Viossa definitely needs to be higher, that stuff is awesome. High Valyrian absolutely needs to be dead last. It was really painful to watch and I haven't watched it a second time.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought this way about that series

I on esperanto part. And about /tʃ/ and /dʒ/ in portuguese, both do exist but /tʃ/ its more commun for exemple the world tchau (bye) or atchim normaly is represented as [tch], and /dʒ/ /tʃ/ also apper on un-stressed sylabbles as allophones of /d/ and /t/, so most of the ppl say /tʃi.ɡɾe/ or /dʒia/

I cannot wait for Lizard to release conlang critic critic critic critic to solidify the conlang critic inception

things heating up in the inception community

can you please make a playlist?

some of these criticisms feel like cinemasins trying to meet the "100 things wrong with blank" quota

pi generally shouldn't be used unless it contains two content words. moku ko pi pona is just moku ko pona with an extra syllable that may hinder auditory parsing

such an iconic

Družina Mjau Mjau!

you should make episode 2 on anthony mccarthy

this is my new favourite video

39:08 the nerd picture is so accurate!

53:20 Can someone list the languages which these flags correspond to, please?

Would it be weird to compare your voice to that of Icely Puzzles? (Or at least, when both are sped up. I usually don’t watch long videos at 1x, and maybe I wouldn’t make the comparison if watching at 1x speed) (Just to be clear: this is not meant as a criticism at all. I was just reminded. And maybe the comparison doesn’t make sense and I’m just being dumb.)

37:58 is that the Solresol word for "banger"?

*considers making a video called conlang critic critic critic*

Some day I'll finally learn Lojban.

56:26 a tiny mistake on Thai vowel combination /ɯː/: it should be กือ as a special case for the rhyme /ɯː/ with no coda.

26:29 this is not a valid critic, as the video was clearly made before ku came out

Omg why this video is so underrated?

3:37 ironic

35:55 probably to show genitive is the odd one (but he didn't put it after reflexive because it still has "tu" in common with nominative.)

3:44 *hold, not holds

Amazing video! I know I sure wouldn't want to make such an incredibly long video, but making it good as well!? Well, I did spot one mistake, but still. Only one! 1:25:51 So, you say that (in terms of the episodes) toki pona (15) > Iqglic > Futurese (17), yet you place it between the IS Language (13) and Folkspraak (14). Not to mention the fact that Drsk is already between toki pona and Futurese. My guess is that you accidentally read the part for ranking Drsk when recording this part. Oh well, it's just an April Fools video, and a mistake is bound to happen in a 1:30:00 long video. What do you mean it's one second shorter?

WOOHOO !!

(25:11 Old Japanese had something like 90 syllables, definitely less than Toki Pona's 92)

Love this.

11:30 The what episode? /j

15:24 prolangs mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I manifested this by listening to Jule's covers of Tokipono or whatever it is over and over today

I loved the Sambahsa episode, and despite Misali's criticisms: I really like the idea of Sambahsa! That being said, I feel that Oliver Simon's criticism of the conlang critic episode isn't fair. - He says that jan Misali wanted a simple anglicization, when he hates anglicization, see Vötgil. - He says that jan Misali is "trying to get a throat cancer" when pronouncing the voiced uvular fricative, but that phoneme is hard for English speakers to pronounce. - it is not necessary to learn a language to review it. he uses jan Misali's videos on video games as an indication that he lost interest in Sambahsa? Misali mentions that "I don't want a piano dropped on me" mentioning that he doesn't like how much effort goes into learning the language. but: this isn't a criticism of the language as a whole but a personal criticism. Sambahsa is meant to be hard to learn. If jan Misali says that's bad, then I'd have an issue with that, but I don't believe he was treating that issue as a fatal flaw. - "there are only three irregular verbs and the conjugations of the other ones can be deduced from their shape." There's a good chance jan Misali overcomplicated the verbs here, and didn't look deep enough into them, but it's also hard to believe there's an accessible method of learning verbs if he did a month of research and didn't find them. The verbs may be as complicated as jan Misali mentions. Also: 3 irregular verbs? why is it necessary to have any when the goal is to have *regularized indoeuropean*? I want to be clear also that I don't want to shut down Oliver Simon's right to criticize him, and I'm not saying his feelings are invalid. I feel bad that there's a famous review on a project he worked hard on, and feels that said review doesn't do the project justice. People on the internet also may be overly critical when an internet man says he doesn't like something. jan Misali went pretty in depth with Sambahsa, and I believe his thoughts at the end of the video were more personal opinions, and him being subjective, not objective. Perhaps subjective opinion should be left out of Conlang Critic, but that'd require Misali to be a bit less of a personality on his own show. I guess the best way to have handled it was to be clear about when he was being subjective and when he was being objective.

As I continue to watch Conlang Critic Critic, I'd like to congratulate you on doing so well in the latest EWOW episode! Good job, Stealthy!

so hyped to watch this whole thing, based lingolizard!

YOOOOO prolangs reference

7:13 I believe even PIE didn't have them

ive never watched a conland critic before, but since you put them in first place I'll have to give it a watch

38:51 like in Gothic?

29:24 Punjabi does have [ʒ] which is written ژ in Shahmukhi and ਜ਼ in Gurmukhi. There isn't a difference between the [z] and [ʒ] consonant in Gurmukhi script, but it can be pronounced. Most dialects in India which use Gurmukhi script simplify it and reduce [dʒ], [z], and [ʒ] to just one sound, [dʒ], which is also common in some dialects of Hindi and other South Asian languages as Hindutva ideology ties [z] and [ʒ] to Islam and tries to distance itself from those sounds.

is there a joki pona?

13:38 he sounds like milton from milton's math games what the fungle

1:25:46 you said iqlic is better than futurese, but worse than toki pona, and proceeds to put it between is and folkspraak

ermmm.... yeast???? [jist]

love to see one of the best linguistics youtubers around recognizing that toki pona exists!!

47:40 I also feel extremely uncomfortable with that campfire sound effect, I absolutely hate that.

9:49 Wait what!? Where did that come from? 13:29 Anyone know what happened to Ian Foster? 14:28 Omg 30:23 Yoooooo

i'm a bit excited!

10:30 also Japanese can't distinguish between f and h

27:18 You can't use "pi" before just one modifier, we need Conlang Critic Critic Critic

6:16 nahuatl mentioned 10/10 video