I love how slow Conner's journey to deviancy is. Like, most other deviants are triggered by traumatic events, but watching Conner slowly become more empathetic and HUMAN proves it's not some software glitch. it really is a matter of evolution.
Honestly, the game should have solely focused on Connor. His story had the best potential to further explore whether androids are alive. By ditching Markus and Kara as controllable characters (but having Markus still play a major role in the story), the game could have gone one layer deeper and make Connor question, even after going Deviant, whether androids were really alive or was deviancy just another form of their software, and not a malfunction.
Yeah, I feel like Connor's story was handled the best. Marcus's had a lot of real world context that's difficult to handle and the point of Kara's story was pretty much made when she disobeyed orders to get Alice to safety.
The fact that even the smallest action in the game like saving that fish causes Connor to become slightly more deviant is crazy, so much attention to detail
Hank calls Connor son, the way one would call a beloved friend sis, bro, ho, bitch, or G. It doesn’t mean they’re your blood-related siblings, whores, female dogs or real gangsters. It just means you care for them, hot-diggity!
I think another reason why his deviancy became larger and larger even if it was subtle at first is bc hank was his trigger since hank always drank and did not take care of his own health and hank himself told Connor that he wants to destroy himself slowly bc he can’t bring it to himself to pull the trigger of his gun to his head. And I think that hank’s emotional trauma affected Connor since he also has the adaptability in his program to understand human behavior and feel what they must’ve felt I guess it’s because so he could understand their motives since he is a deviant hunter and a detective so he needs to know the victim or perpetrators feelings/emotions right ? Also Connor had the tendency to investigate or learn more about his intended target even if it wasn’t important to the case since he’s seen learning about hank’s son and the fact that hank has suicidal tendencies. He’s understanding human beings and their unpredictable behavior without needing to do it. And he’s always watching other people’s behavior so I guess it’s why his behavior slowly becomes more human because he’s starting to mimick humans bc of his adaptability code in his system but this also caused him to become deviant and not follow his purpose or what he’s intended to do. So he only truly becomes deviant fully when Markus points out these emotions or the things he may have done without it being necessary to his mission which proves he’s not a machine and can do things by himself without people giving him orders to do so. Also the fact that his instability goes up after Simon pulls the trigger when Connor has him pinned he momentarily connected to Simon wether it was on purpose or not he felt what Simon felt and that was fear. I think kamski or whoever gave him that instability thing may have known Connor could potentially deviate if he could understand human behavior and feel it for himself.
Makes sense cuz Kara was acting like a mother to Alice so it was enviable for her to become deviant which is why she pushes out of her programming Markus while having a Master of his own still connected with him but not enough and his Master most likely saw him has well a machine which is why he punches his programming However Connor on the other was specifically built to obey Cyberlifes orders it’s in his programming which is why he has to tear it apart in order to become Deviant his programming wouldn’t allow it
Okay, so 2 tiny animation details I noticed here 1:40:28 and following. 1.) Connor did that retracting skin thing while probing Simon's memory. When Simon shot himself, Connor's skin returned instantly (I mean within that MILLISECOND, it's instantaneous). And 2.) something I've noticed throughout the game is how when androids are dying or shutting down, their LED revolves red with another red color that is somewhat transparent and almost fades into their skin. When Connor is talking to Hank, his LED isn't the stark "I'm in distress/danger" red, it's the fading "I'm dying" red. Connor felt like he was dying for almost the entire conversation, not just when Simon pulled the trigger.
Elias Toufexis Okay, smartass, in certain situations than an opinion can’t be correct, I mean in the way of saying what someone likes. Besides, it really isn’t an opinion that Connor said, it was more of a fact. You knew exactly what I meant but you really had to be smart, eh? Example: Dogs are better than cats..
[56:13] Hank: “Well, do you plan on straying in the elevator?” Connor: “No! I’m coming.” - [1:31:30] *Connor coin tricking* Hank: “You’re starting to piss me off with that coin, Connor.” Connor: “Sorry, lieutenant.” I love the added like, it’s almost like Sass in Connors voice. It’s perfect
Its funny how in Jacksepticeye's playthrough, it took him the ENTIRE game to get Hank to the "friend" relationship level. But BOSSzombie over here, did it in like, the 8th scene with Hank!
ahaha I watched Jack's play-through before getting into the game, but even being someone who had never seen dbh before I was cringing through some of his choices (the whole interrogation scene and when he didn't save Hank). Still loved his play-through of it tho
I like to think of Jack's playthrough with Connor, it makes him more.. human? I guess what I'm trying to say is that he had Connor go through so many rough decisions, then he and Hank become friends in the end, showing humans and androids do get along.
That's why I feel like Connor's story is the best one. I love Kara and Marcus, but they become deviant right at the start, the rest is them either trying to find a place to live in peace (Kara) or start a revolution for androids (Marcus). While Connor truly feels like he's on a journey to become human as he slowly shows more emotions and finally realizes that he's a deviant and that's not a bad thing.
Both Markus and Kara's deviant turning point was the same as the others by them being treated unfairly by people. But with Conner he naturally becomes a deviant. Not by unfairness, but rather... Him becoming human.
Connor has a face of pure Calm relaxation but it’s so awake and expressive at the same time He’s so emotionless but still feels so much emotional How the hell
I think Connor and Hank's relationship throughout the game was the best part. If you manage to get Connor to endear himself to Hank, you start to see both are on a similar journey - Connor is learning what it means to become human, and Hank is learning to rediscover his humanity.
Spoiler alert, he was originally sent to the building to save the fish, the girl was just a side thought in the situation. Why else would he save the fish first? And an Android ALWAYS completes its mission.
My favorite father and son like moments: + Hank stands for Connor at the interrogation room. + Connors asks Hank why he stopped him from chasing the other androids, so natural answer "because you could've been killed" (you can almost read "duh" between the lines). + Hank is about to burst into the apartment but before that tells Connor to get behind him without hesitation, Connor quickly responds "got it". + When Connor excuses himself after he let the android ran away and assumes it's his fault, Hank calmly answers "That's alright, now we know how it looks like" (you could think the "don't worry, son" words were implicit in the phrase). + In the scenario where the security android takes Connor device and Hank finds him saying "hang on, son!". + Connor helps Hank when he's totally wasted and takes care of him even though the detective insults him. + Hank takes Connor's coin away like any father who's annoyed with a son's game after a whie. + Every time Connor puts him self on risk you can see Hank trying to reach for him or to convince him to avoid danger ('cause Hank doesn't want Connor get hurt or killed...) + That hug at the end without any words but it is so meaning. + Every time Hank calls Connor "son" right after the first time.
@@Cymes it makes sense knowing that context, but imagine you don't. You're some human who takes on several androids with less effort and then you get to one who takes you down in seconds.
Even w/o context, it isn't hard to guess how Connor could've been designed & programmed to handle himself like a cybernetic badass: - We 1st see Connor introduced as "the negotiator" during the initial hostage crisis. Clearly, he was intended to work closely w/ law enforcement & conduct hostage negotiations. - During the hostage crisis, Connor shows the player he can perform realtime reconstructions of crime scenes & deduce facts from circumstantial evidence. This implies Connor can use his processing power to imagine or "preconstruct" hypothetical combat scenarios & work out optimal fighting strategies (confirmed later in the game when Connor is facing down the armed deviant in the TV broadcast tower, & again in the elevator after returning to CyberLife HQ). - After his intro sequence, Connor reveals that he's not just a "hostage negotiator / crime investigator" model -- he's an android intended specifically to track down & apprehend deviant androids. This strongly implies that Connor possesses advanced software for hand-to-hand combat & the usage of firearms. (If the player chooses to resolve the hostage crisis by shooting the deviant, Connor proves he is a deadshot.) - During the rooftop chase scene, Connor has to decide whether to proceed w/ pursuing the deviant fugitive ("RT") or abandoning pursuit to assist Hank. During the time "window" in which Connor must choose his next course of action, we see that time moves *very* slowly -- strongly implying that Connor's ability to analyze, decide & react to any given situation is far superior to human thought & reaction time. (Think back to Harold Raimi's "Spider-Man" & the school hallway fight scene when Peter Parker suddenly realizes he can dodge punches as if they were being thrown @ him in slow motion.)
@Zen Kim It's so much fun playing as a character as advanced as Connor, because it reminds us of what could be the future of both technology and weapons. We could make literal living weapons, and that thought is both terrifying and amazing.
I believe this game was truly awesome because of the chemistry between Connor and Hank. The entire game should’ve just been about them, honestly. I loved and cared about many other characters, but Connor and Hank is where the story really shines. Despite some sloppy David Cage writing at times, the actors absolutely KILLED IT. I wish there were more games with the two of them. That’d be awesome.
Markus is the least interesting to me, I never really enjoyed it. Kara was cool until Alice was revealed to be an android; it doesn’t make her relationship with Kara any different, but it makes it less special imo, because it was supposed to be human and android getting along together
@@quinnlee-miller9792 how was Alice always an android? In the 'A new home' episode,Todd can kill Alice in one of the endings. No offense,but just wondering,i dont really know DBH lore since i just started playing the game
I love the details during the first vs last conversation with Jeffrey. how Hank acts more calm and reserved because his friendship with Connor affected him. how he doesn't close the door on his way out like he did before because he wants Connor to follow him this time. how Connor's body language and expressions changed because he's pretty much a deviant at this point. such character development from both
Chibi Prussia Pretty sure cause her own android killed her husband and was currently holding her daughter hostage, on the edge of the very tall building. Edit:I didn’t get it
Connor really should have been the main character, fully. It feels like Markus just has that main character-itis. He doesn’t seem that interesting or even likable, but the plot demands he’s the savior and the main character - so he is. Kara’s story isn’t bad and feels a lot bigger as she goes around and meets characters. Connor’s feels like a more personal and character driven story. Where Markus just feels like he’s there to facilitate the uprising as the big conflict of the game.
honestly I think markus's role is just fine I just think he shouldnt have been playable if theyd have re-tooled his scenes to be shorter and with no gameplay and just made him and his whole thing not playable and a little more background I think he would be perfectly fine I think its only cause hes playable that it FEELS like hes lacking and he should have more to him but I think he serves his purpose just fine overall
Tbh i never like markus' until i watched chatGPT's playthrough as he added a lot of internal philosophical dialogue that i think markus lacked, markus is meant to be the deepest story exploring existential questions. It's very lacking. Kara's was perfect until Alice twist. Connor's imo is the best.
Its interesting watching Conner's manner as the game goes on, as he softens and acts more human. I get thats the point but mad props to the actor portraying him to be able to pull off the gradual change from cold machine to thinking, feeling, person.
The fact Connor can pass the Kamski test as his literal first choice is one of my favorite parts of Connor’s path. Man felt empathy for a fish! I’d argue that’s more of a display than showing empathy towards Kamski’s Chloe.
hank doesn’t hate androids, he hates people who don’t show empathy, because no one had empathy when his son died, thus why he hates when Connor acts like an android.
Unrelated but honestly I'm suprised people get upset that people hate different things. And I'm frustrated by it. Is it not a common realization that everyone has different experiences? Some may be similar, some damn near identical, but our experiences shape our beliefs and our thoughts. So if example A was always treated poorly by people no matter what they did, example A wouldn't trust people. And if example B always noticed that s specific group of people was lazy and complained a lot when there was nothing to complain about, it's not unreasonable for example B to begin to not like these people. And if they have a common trait, they may even begin Hating others with the trait. Which isn't all that bad as long as they're willing to take In new information and be scientific about it instead of assuming their first analysis must have been correct. People misunderstand and make too many assumptions. I wish more people looked for evidence and for facts.
@@hammerbro1947 Yes. I can't speak for Perkins (God knows what goes through the head of that heartless mofo), but with Gavin it stems from the fear of androids replacing his job (optional dialogue when Connor meets Gavin in the Precinct's Cafeteria), which by the way, I think is very common and reasonable, considering the futuristic economy of DBH is incredibly capitalistic, unbalanced and unsustainable, with no job sustitution/training for human workers and/or state/federal UBI program for them to sustain themselves.
Haven't seen that many comments but the music and scene from 2:43:39 to the hug between Connor and hank, one of the most well earned scenes in gaming and one of the major reasons why I keep replaying this game be ahse everytime it feels like the fulfillment of a true grounded yet epic journey for both Connor and hank
Years later, I still hold this game dear to my heart. I can’t even begin to explain how much I adore it. I want to find so many more people who love it just as much as I do. My heart just swells up with excitement anytime I see it again
It still amazes me how this 4 year old game makes everything look so real and the emotions it can give are feeling real , like 2018 was an amazing year for sure 😃
I think this game is full of secrets, watch carefully the minute 1:37:00, why didn't Connor reveal to Hank that Markus' previous owner was Carl Manfred? And that it was a gift from Elijah Kamski? Both could have been interesting information to solve the case. Is Connor programmed not to reveal information about Kamski? We know that Kamski knows Connor well, Kamski in fact knew that Connor had Amanda inside him and gave him advice on how to get rid of her(I always have an exit in my program, you'll never know). Furthermore, Kamski is very taken with Connor, almost as if he had an emotional bond with him.
I personally think Connor was deviant from the get go, mainly because of the coin. If he does that just because he can , as opposed to being programmed that way, he’s expressing a human behavior
А я не знаю как то что ты что не могу вывести из себя себя не очень нравится нравится я тебе не надо мне очень нравится и не надо мне не нравится я не знаю я
Kamski literally made androids with emotion just to prove a point to humanity. I actually think the androids in his home in the pool were deviant since they look at connor weird when he decides not kill chloe for a split second.
I always wondered about the Chloe's in the pool - that look does imply some level of deviancy, even if it's not fully manifested yet. As for Kamski, the game does seem to heavily imply he deliberately created the deviancy code. I always wondered about what came next - presumably someone, somewhere started tracking where it originated and if they found out that it was him he could be considered the most dangerous man in human history. He opened up our entire species to potential extinction, not to mention the extreme trauma he caused androids by giving them sentience and free will while leaving them in a role where they're seen as emotionless tools which can be used however you want and discarded whenever you want. We currently don't even have criminal charges that begin to cover the level of damage he caused (and the higher level he could have caused) and I really hope we never need to actually invent them. High Treason's probably the most serious charge we could currently hit him with and that's not even a drop in the ocean compared to "Knowingly nearly caused the extinction of the human race and actively obstructed the investigation trying to prevent it". For why he did it? My guess would be that with his whole thing about androids being superior, the clear sociopathic tendencies he has and his incredibly obvious extreme egomania had him seeing himself as the father of a new, better race which would replace humans - "Improving on Gods/Natures design" from his perspective, a God Complex manifested in the most literal sense. That or he just wanted too see what would happen - never underestimate what a bored, self absorbed, sociopathic genius can and will do to sate even a mild curiousity. He's actually the character I hate most (not in the sense that he's a bad character, but in the sense that he's a terrible person) - Gavin is just a bog standard idiot who's majorly overcompensating for something (I'm almost surprised he never complained about the difficulty of scoring because women would rather rent an android than hook up with a sleezebag), Perkins is an absolute arsehole but (from his perspective) is doing what he has to to protect not just his country but his species, Kamski caused literally all of the suffering that occurs in this game and seems less emotionally invested in the events playing out than you (someone who knows it's a literal game, not a metaphorical one) probably were. If I had to assign emotions to his reaction as civilisation as we know it teeters on the brink, they would be "smug satisfaction" and "mild amusement". (I know, I know, I did an essay, but before someone complains I didn't *make* you stop and read it)
Connor is my favorite story out of the three and it feels more like becoming human cause there’s lots of stuff he has to go through to gain deviancy while Kara and Markus immediately turn deviant.
Never meant to be dad/son. calling another young man "son" is such a white american boomer thing, Captain America used it in Avengers as well and yet I see no one calling the guy he called "son" Cap's adopted son. Old white american men just say that sometimes, it's nothing special. it's worse to interpret them in a way that they obviously aren't. Clancy Brown said clearly "No" when he got asked on Twitter if Hank sees Connor as his son. A previous employee of QD said that a lot of the workers of the game agreed that Hank and Connor could've had a romantic path. Seeing two characters getting close and having a wonderful relationship to the point of thinking they'd be cute as a couple is in no way a bad thing. if you personally see them as cop buddies or colleagues or friends then that's totally fine y'know? They're friends/partners in the game, after all.
Honestly, even though Connor is a robot, he would probably be a great friend, he helps Hank when he feels down and mostly saves him in the entire game.
Tbh if we get real androids like Connor, that would be pretty awesome. Imagine being buds with someone who is smarter than you, and wants to help you with everything. Why wouldn’t we be nice to them?
"programmer leaves door in a program open, allowing walls that prevent a robot uprising to be bypassed. laughs as the company he hates burns to the ground as he gets away with it cause the dumbass company still uses his code"
Omori is like that one side is a psychological horror game with great characters, great animations and a great story. And the other is "Ayo mari the pizza here"
Is it just me that would love to watch an TV series about Hank and Connor as detectivs? After Detroid and Connor joining the revolution? And we want more Sumo!
@@coldair4450 more like they were caring about the framerate. The more androids would cheer, there would be a higher chance for the game to crash. Believe me, I tried to animate a lot of characters in a cinematic setting, it didn't go well for FPS.
Markus: I became a deviant to fight for what I believe in Kara: I became a deviant to protect a child Connor: I became a deviant to prove I wasn't a huge momma's boy
