Conqueror vs Object 279 Turret Armor Penetration Simulation 

People out there really think that a piece of steel going 150+ m/s would not hurt them bruh

do you know what the final speed of the round would be

​@@lingo6582 He also included the velocity plot of the projectile, well the main body.

@@ilmoretz4246 Not to mention how insanely hot it would be after being forced through 160mm of armor.

@@ilmoretz4246 Nobody (I hope) thinks that 150m/s shrapnel won't kill them. It's just that in these simulations the velocity visualization is in such huge increments that whether something is completely static or moving at 150m/s, it is still shown in roughly the same shade of blue.

Cry about it

​@@il_namleast obvious rage bait

@@sensor3ddI tried farting for a minute, thinking I failed And then I released a behemoth

what the fuck​@@Simigema

war thunder logic

It is cast armor, so it is equivalent to 420mm of RHA

brits were fairly succesful in it.

Big big gun.

It's a gun derived from the gun mounted on the M103, and AMX-50s which was derived from the 120mm gun mounted on heavy tank, T34, that gun was derived from the 120mm M1 AA gun that the US used. The M1 had significant power behind it. Lighten the system, and design it to handle higher pressure, then fire a sub-caliber round as opposed to a full bore projectile, and you get an extremely high performance kinetic penetrator for the time period.

And in a thoroughly sporting move it refused to have an engine that worked to give the Russians a fighting chance.

"Sure would be a shame if it were to *shell shattered* ."

@@tirushone6446damn snail

not in WT apparently

​@@ArtoriusRexnot IRL too. This simulation has superficial APDS velocity

​@@nuraly78What does superficial apds even mean

​@@nuraly78 APDS in real life performs differently than in WT. angle performance is better than any other type of ammo apart from APDSFS and post pen dmg is better than full caliber rounds due to the kinetic force it carries.

Volumetric is no joke

It would be difficult to model the engine, even to any reasonable approximation. a lot of work, even assuming that a diagram can be found somewhere

Maybe not this exact engine but a general simulation on engine shots would be interesting, in war thunder shells tend to go straight through but I feel like they would stop more.

80 годах прототип т 80 у стрелял по раним прототипам один из 3бм прошол влд прошол боевое отделение и сквозь перегородку вошлол в мто и сорвал двигатель с креплений который выбил крышку мто !

The later sabots of the chieftain traded pure flat pen for a heavier projectile with more angle-performance. Allowing it to punch through armour more reliably even if its pure penetrative power in perfect conditions was worsened.

Dm 43 is apcr Dm 63 is apds Apds out perform apcr because most of the propelant enegry goes to the penetrator core and smaller frontal are thus far more aerodynamic

recent documents showed it was 1410

it's Conqueror's gun, not Chieftain's. Chieftain use L15A1 tungsten alloy APDS

insert 3BM11 shell into 122mm and you can penetrate more than 300mm, there are even photos it penetrate 300mm flat armor at 1270m/s.

@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 I think obj armor 305mm on 30° I could be wrong, but that number in my head

@@vaninec the front of the turret varies greatly in thickness and inclination and cannot be determined with a single value

@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 If you translate from Russian: Maximum thikness of the turret 305mm all over perimeter

@@vaninec it's not true see technical diagrams

they have velocity as shown 1:02 and they fly around the turret at this velocity

Both. If you look at the velocity plot, some pieces stop moving after pelleting. Other pieces still retain over 100m/s velocity.

It has significantly less weight and travels faster, however IIRC the actual projectile following "pettling" is smaller than that of the Conqueror's. Overall it has worse performance despite being developed far later. Although it should also be mentioned that it's fired from a smaller gun. (Yes, the 122mm is bigger than the 120mm in diameter, but overall the Conqueror's gun is much bigger and more heavy duty).

The 3BM11 APDS for the 122mm M-62-T2S cannon of the T-10M, as well as the 3BM8 APDS for the 100mm D-10T cannons of T-54/55, were just a stopgap measure to increase the anti-armor performance of the older Soviet rifled tank guns in the 1960s. Since early 1960s, the "premier" anti-armor rounds in the Soviet service were the APFSDS fired from smoothbore guns (115mm U-5TS (2A20) on T-62 and D-68 (2A21) on T-64, later 125mm D-81 (2A26) on T-64A).

The core is of a similar caliber, but is much shorter, so the overall penetration ability is lower. However, it has a large cap, which should help overcome spaced armor and, in certain situations, protect the projectile from the harmful effects of sloped armor, making the shell more versatile.

Wouldn't work very well. Kinetic and HEAT rounds are opposites. HEAT rounds gain more power with diameter regardless of velocity, whereas rifles are built to propel a narrow projectile at high velocity. A better HEAT solution to your problem set would probably be weapons like grenade launchers - low velocity, wider projectiles.

@@kenreckless2757 Still would be a cool concept to test

Nothing like "7.62mm HEAT" exists in the world. It's a 7mm projectile. How tiny amount of explosives you could fit in it?

@@HanSolo__ ... That's why I asked "COULD"

It will, the force distribution will drastically effect the shell, but it will still quite close to penetrate the armor

@@Richard_T800 I'm thinking the same thing, would depend on which angle too, but since it's tungsten carbide, there's an actual good chance it could potentially shatter

It will withstand everything except good APFSDS and HEAT

Ansys

Ansys

the tip of the shell is not flat to push most of the material forward. Its conic shape pushes the material to the sides like i did to my ex.

no thats not true. Its true for early apds shells but not a general rule. apds in real life had good angle performance and nothing like in WT also shattering is about at what range u engage. Too short of a range the shell has so much velocity it shatters. APDS was meant for mid to long range engagements.

Yes

There is. It just isn't modelled here.

But thing is how this simulation only goes that point with relative ultra highspeed camera view. What would happen after that is still not exacly like that couple kg heavy hunk of steel just drops on floor. It would still fly backwards with authority and most likely seriously injure anyone who it hits. And shitloads smaller particles which still simulation cant calculate because time, and hardware reasons.

@@Kesssuli While they look slow in the simulation, the minor spalling from this impact is more than lethal to the crew within the vehicle, with the bigger pieces capable of destroying not just flesh, but equipment as well. This shot would disable the tank at best, and detonate its ammo at worst, given the placement of the ammunition inside the 279.

@@ZETH_27 the shell is travelling at most 140 m/s after entry into the crew compartment. Absolutely still lethal to anyone it hits. Probably not likely to detonate any ammo, but anyone inside is probably gonna bail when they realize their 400mm+ turret cheek just got punctured.

​@@connivingkhajiit Yeah it'd be like.getting shot with a large caliber flintlock with the larger pieces, very deadly

The placement of the shell would also likely either render the gun inoperable or severely hinder its use.

No, completely different turret, more armor, a more powerful gun

Can you explain?

​@@whitemouse2460In real life russian tank impossible to penetrate comrade. Video is western lies, Stalinium is invincible!

In Russian FSB psyop game War Thunder NATO APDS always shatters comrade even on SPAA! This video is western propaganda lies komrade! Over 6kg of tungsten carbide traveling 1,500m/s should definitely not pen Stalinium armor under any circumstances! Russian steel APHEBC should definitely have better slope modifiers than tungsten carbide APDS and should overpressure despite only having 177g of TNT! Don’t feed into the western propaganda comrade! ☭ Ruski tanks are superior 💪

Тут пол километра в уязвимую зону это слишком близко и соответствует дистанции боя великой отечественной войны но не холодной. Это больше видео о том могли ли теоретически подбить при благоприятных условиях.

💀delusional Russian War Thunder player in real life Object 279 would never be able to get fielded, there was only 3 built compared to Conqueror which has 185 built, and BR-482B from Object 279 has only 258mm of flat pen irl not 364mm so it couldn't pen Conqueror, and APDS in real life has comparable, or sometimes even MORE post pen damage than APFSDS rounds do, due to being thicker diameter and scooping out more armor on angled shots. It's definitely nowhere near as bad as Gaijin, Russian bias FSB Psyop company thinks it is

Aint saved cuz the whole crew (besides driver) is dead

@@EfEX_15i very much doubt that would kill the turret crew, at least not all of them.

@@khajaja spalling and other chunks of metal flying at them with probably 1/4 speed of that APCR would probably shatter them

@@khajaja The minor spalling from that impact would lacerate anyone and anything in that turret. No human is surviving that, and that's all ignoring the major spalling which we can physically see in the simulation, which would most certainly destroy internal systems. The vehicle is completely combat-effectively wrecked after a hit like this.

@@ZETH_27 …theres a big fuckoff piece of metal cutting the turret in half. Unless the brits made magic APHEFSDS that i dont know about, only half the turret max is getting hit with spall.

Так по факту еле пробило

Actually....this can be considered lucky hit, since it is weakspot. And second thing, those Conquerors would NOT have this ammo at all, or they will be given like ONE round or so. Even modern thingies have like 2 APDSFS rounds and rest of loadout is just HE and HEAT. Good luck hitting weakspots on real tank fight distances without any modern stuff since it had only coincidence rangefinder and accuracy was also big problem back than... so you are back to "impenetrable" thing that existed IRL tho... :D

@@martincoufalik9101 пф, ну конь пробивается с 279 почти в силуэт

What are you yapping about

this was on a flat part of the armor lol, this thing really deflect most of ammo you shoot at it.

Salty

how

What?

How is he tho?

How? If anything the video is putting the Conqueror in good light.