Many thanks for your comments and observations. These kind if formations were legend in their day and just about anything would turn up in them no matter the originating region.
@@crewelocoman5b161 The ICI train looks superb and a pleasant change from seeing oil or petroleum traffic modelled. The Triang (Lines Bros.) factory was at Merton Abbey - now and industrial estate with no rail connection. Door to Door was advertised pre-war although the logo on your fine wagons appears to date from the early sixties - perhaps 1961? - (yet to pin down a date of its introduction which would be useful for modellers).
@@ewhurstgreen Thank you for your interest. I recall seeing the 'Door to Door' logo on containers in the mid sixties and on the 'ice blue' containers as well. The actual container I used for that wagon is incorrect, but hey-ho, there it is! The white 4 wheel ICI wagons are H.D. and I've added a tie bar between the axle boxes and painted the stanchion supports white as shown in Paul Bartlett's excellent pictorial survey. Apart from that there is virtually nothing to add in the way of transfers etc. The H.D. "Traffic Services" does not feature at all in Paul Bartlett's archive and more experienced modellers than myself have said that they are unable to trace a drawing or diagram spec for this wagon. The Tri-ang bogie "ICI" wagons are a reworking by myself of the 'plastic' red bogie wagon not based on anything as far as I can see! As can be seen, these have been painted silver with a grey platform on the top. Based on chemical wagons in Paul Bartlett's archive I have adorned mine with all the emblems that appear common to a these vehicles HazChem etc, large ICI logo (hard to find now) and a maintenance chart on the side of the sole bar. The slightly later white 'Murgatroyd's' bogie wagons that you might have come across on my uploads have had the same treatment. On those, the orange stripe that runs horizontally amidships from end to end is not possible without removing the heat stamped black lettering, so I placed them around the tank at either end. The silver ICI bogie tank is entirely fictitious while the Murgatroyd's is an approximation or reworking if you like. Either way, imo, I have taken a wagon which was good in its day and made it into a credible looking and interesting vehicle that can pass muster on a layout today.
@@crewelocoman5b161 Freight continues to be an interesting subject so rarely covered. In undertaking investigation into Fish traffic on the East Coast (on Blood and Custard) and the 'Ice Blue' livery dates from 1964. The ex.HD wagons really do look good with the extra touches as do the bogie wagons. Chemical traffic was limited on the Southern Region, but when I found a colour photograph the (Bachmann) Ronuk wagons en-route to Portslade this was a real blessing for they are now suitably distressed, stained and weathered as per the originals. These wagons carried spirit for the production of polish Paul Barlett's archive is historically very important and very useful. Getting the correct emblems can be really difficult and trying to pin down approximate (let alone exact) dates for these is even harder. Have one 'Murgatroyd' bogie tanker (now with scale wheels but ducked out of adding the orange stripe). I've not had time to research these wagons further - have you got information on their use and sphere of operation? Do have several 'Crosfield Chemicals' (alkali) tankers which has lead to my reading a really interesting book on the history of Joseph Crosfield. I'll have to locate its exact title, but there is a useful fifties publication on the history of the UK chemical industry which covers corporate identities and railway wagons - managed to find a mid-sixties revised edition which was updated from the original. A friend is modelling the Sheerness brank (Kent) and the Triang 'Bowaters' tankers are surprisingly close. Ultimately if the wagon looks the part few people will have the knowledge to be able to spot even the most significant inconsistencies let alone a willingness to pass adverse comment.
@@ewhurstgreen Totally agree 100%. The publications I have for reference are 'British Railway Wagons - the first half million" and "Twilight of the Goods" both by Don Rowland, by no means comprehensive for such a vast topic but still useful and fascinating. "The 4mm Wagon" in 4 short volumes by Geoff Kent is a good reference point but I for one am never going to scratch build a wagon chassis for sure!! The Murgatroyd's bogie chlorine wagons were based at the company's Sandbach and Middlewich works in Cheshire. The works pumped brine up from underground and produced salt and other chemicals such as caustic soda. ICI had extensive factories across Cheshire including Widnes and Runcorn...Fisons...Remember the excellent Twin Silo Prestwin from Airfix back in the '60s still available today with Dapol. I have 6 of these rebranded with ICI. I painted them brick red/brown and picked out all the detail in black and weathered the chassis. They look fantastic! If I have a mission statement it is to avoid the elaborate 'train-set' look as far as possible. I mend and make do, add to, modify, re-paint existing off the shelf stuff, kits etc. I can't scratch build. Most people in this hobby understand this and get it and it really does pay off. As you rightly say most folk are not that much aware of the myriad of varying details even on the same wagon. I have had a few comments down the years pointing out some tiny inaccuracies to which my response has been "does the distance between the rails bother you at all?" or when a comment is made about sleeper spacings on a layout re the 'look' I have pointed out "shouldn't you be looking at EM or Proto4?" BTW, I re wheeled my Tri-ang bogie wagons with the smallest wagon wheels from Alan Gibson and added additional balast to the vehicle for good measure. Here are a couple of links for transfers and pictures of tank/TTA wagons: ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/T/TTA-2-axle-tank-wagons (I used these as a basis for my rake of weathered TTA oil vehicles...even better than Paul Bartlett!) www.railtec-models.com/ Cheers, Graeme
Freight trains provide endless fascination on a model railway simply by virtue of the sheer variety rolling stock and multitude of combinations possible. Thank you for your keen observations and insight. Much appreciated.
Hi Lynden, Yes indeed! That 'Tri-ang' container wagon is an attractive vehicle and a bit hard to find in a decent, good condition nowadays. There will be some more Tri-ang rolling stock to follow. Thank you very much for your observations! Graeme
Hi Chris, Ah...the ill fated 'Condor' express freight. Never quite understood exactly why this wasn't a success . The explanations put forward were varied but I supposed it paved the way for the later 'Freightliner' concept. The Class 28s certainly didn't help. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1EzWYA0Ha9U.html Many thanks for your comment and interest!
Hi, Thank you very much for your your observations and interest. My recollections of 9Fs are mainly from 8C Speke Junction. The one here is a factory weathered one. Wind back a few on my channel and it is seen again with another Hornby weathered 9F which has weathering powders added. Cheers, Graeme
