Hi, Thank you for your question. Yes, there were many designs of clerestory coaches. There were 123 railway companies in the U.K. prior to 1923 when the railways were grouped into what became known as the 'Big Four' (GWR, L.M.S., L.N.E.R., and S.R.). The bulk of clerestory coaches were built before this date. They all had one thing in common: gas lighting, hence the raised ridge on the top of the roof for the light, and a large gas cylinder under the coach chassis/frame. It was the horrific accident a Quintinshill in 1915 that led to their rapid demise after this date when soldiers from the Royal Scots regiment were burnt to death in this incident. Clerestory coaches were also largely constructed of wood. The clerestory coaches in my video were modelled by Hornby in the 1980s but I'm not sure they are accurately based on one design. They may be based on a GW design or possibly a generic representation of clerestory coaches in general. Either way I'm not sure. The three versions that I refer to are all the same coach design, It's the three liveries that are on show that I'm referring to: two styles of the GW application to the coaches both modelled from the 1980s and a recent revival by Hornby in the 2020s of one of those liveries where the application is very finely detailed and is of a much higher standard. I also have a set of these coaches in Midland Railway maroon. Hope this helps! Graeme

@crewelocoman5b161 That's very helpful Graeme, makes it easier for me to quantify now, knowing that it's the liveries that are different but fundamentally the same design. I'm not long into the hobby and was intent on modelling 30s to 40s SR, but GWR are now creeping in lol. Really enjoying your videos Graeme. Thanks again. Best, Dan.

Many thanks for your comment and observations. Delighted you enjoyed!

Much appreciated. Thank you.

Delighted to be of assistance! There is a brake coach modelled from this set, but I'm guessing that you are looking at something different than what's displayed here. The dining car is a gem for LMS enthusiasts, at least those who don't want to go down the Comet and similar roads. I have four of them, two LMS (different periods) and two BR (one red and cream, one maroon). Airfix modelled two chasis for this vehicle, one with the solebars with cut-outs for the bogie wheel, one without as here, Dapol continuing to offer the purchaser the choice. Hornby decided to play "safe" and just produce the cut-out version. I tell you, these vehicles run perfectly well on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th radius curves with the removal of the pivot from underneath the coach. The windows are a problem on the Dapol vehicle being somewhat opaque, but it is impossible to remove them without damaging the body shell. The hornby ones are excellent, thin handrails on the kirchen section and the painted interior coming up a treat. Are yes the Royal Doulton plate 'City' in gloss black. It was a lot of careful work to marry that body up to the much later 'Chinese' chassis...I actually came through the cab floor to try and get level. The crew cover that anomaly up!

Hi, Many thanks for your welcome comments and support. I wasn't aware that Mrs. Crewe 8F ventured into the picture, although she did do the filming, a task which is becoming harder for me. Perhaps a reflection somewhere. I've got quite a number of the H.D./Wrenn 2-6-4 Tanks although I don't own the GWR version; for me anyway, I cannot reconcile that one as GW loco. I have the green S.R. version which is stretching it a bit, but there is a connection albeit tenuous. The LMS one would have been better in black with red lining, imho, and of course the Caledonian one isn't stretching it too far. It's all good stuff! I will do an overview of these locos for my next video. Cheers, Graeme

@@crewelocoman5b161 It must have been the Southern version I saw previously on your layout. Never Mind, Im happy to get my "odd GWR liveried version" to run with my other wrenn and dublo. 😊 I love them for what they are just lovely vintage locomotives that sound and look wonderful and are reminders of my childhood, spending time just running trains with my Father. I would very much like to see a comparison video on your 4MT's. Thankyou both so much for your content.

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Many thanks indeed for your comments and observation. There's still life in the old stuff yet especially if one is prepared to do a little work on them. I find myself now becoming less and less interested in the new products becoming available (Accurascale, Dapol, Rapido as well as Hornby and Bachmann). Mine is a niche layout focussing mainly on the end of BR steam 1958-1968 across the four regions with a bias towards ex-LMS. I have three criteria to abide by: plenty of semaphore signalling on display; paint the rails; and avoid the elaborate train set look. Cheers, Graeme

I take that as a huge compliment from someone who also has a splendid and magnificent layout. Many thanks to you sir!

@@crewelocoman5b161 thank you . Will continue to watch your other videos 👍😁🚂

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Hi, Many thanks for your comments and observations. Delighted you enjoyed!

Hi, Thank you for your question. Here is a link regarding the bogie vehicles for the Murgatroyd's chlorine wagons paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=Murgatroyds Hope this helps..

Many thanks for your interest and comments. The Tri-ang wagons which date from the 1960s are not scale replicas of the real vehicles but are a generic realisation which was typical of Tri-ang's approach particularly with wagons. The thing is they still look quite impressive, although I had to remove the chunky plastic wheels and replace them with scale metal wheels from Alan Gibson. The additional transfers are from Railtec www.railtec-models.com/ The orange banding should be horizontal mid tank but that was not feasible without removing the original black heat applied branding and I didn't fancy that!...so on the ends they went. If you research Paul Bartlett's archive you will come across chemical wagons with red and orange bandings at the ends. You will notice that no two wagons are exactly alike. Cheers, Graeme

Hi, Thank you very much indeed for your kind comment and contribution. Delighted you enjoyed!

Hello again! I was thinking of doing something on these Tri-ang coaches as I have several varieties now. I have a set of the 1970s maroon and thick yellow lining. These have been enhanced. Newer Mk1 chassis without the raised piece where bogie attaches to the underframe (closing the horrible gap). The newer Mk.1 roof profile with near scale vents. Fitting all this together was quite tricky (1960s sides with 1990s roof and underframe). Metal wheels painted maroon with silvered rims. Roof painted silver. The Caledonian ones here have not required any enhancements. I have another (much newer) set in pure LMS livery which I have enhanced and will put up as the next video. They are beautiful. On these I have painted the roof silver and painted the wheels maroon and silver. I will provide a comparative commentary. Thank you very much for your observations and for spurring me on to do an overview!

Thank you for your observations. Delighted it rekindled memories for you.

Hi there, Thank you for your interest but I have to disappoint you. There is no trackplan as all I had was an idea in my head that was based on busy through stations on British Railways circa 1957-1965 such as Preston, Rugby, Stafford. I did toy with the idea of using the plan of the throat (approach and exit) at Kings Cross Station London but space did not permit. Basically, I made it up based on memories and that centred on the final phase of steam operation on B.R. Many thanks Graeme

@@crewelocoman5b161 👌 whats the size of the layout? The lenght and width 12ft by 6ft? Or bigger?

@@QUINTENSMUSICCHANNEL Thank you for your question. 18ft. x 8ft. It's located in a converted garage. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V7uLjgFFJXQ.html

Thank you again for that endorsement! Most (almost all) of my wagons have their buffer shanks painted silver. No matter how filthy a wagon looked the buffer shanks always gleamed. I remember it well. I also paint the brake handles a 'dirty' white. The 0-4-0 diesel hydraulic shunter wasn't bad in its day but a little paintwork, scale buffers, and correct numbers and graphics help to bring it more into line with today's models. Cheers, Graeme

Many thanks for your contribution. This is the Hornby 'Northumbrian' set with the headboard (not clearly visible on the loco). Ah yes, 'Elizabethan Express'. I recognised Victoria Station in the opening sequence...you can even see a 'Schools' Class at the buffer stop!🙂 Delighted you enjoyed!

Hi Lynden, Many thanks for your welcome comment. Delighted you remembered the video I did on my 'Singles' collection too! 👍

Many thanks for your kind observations and comments. I don't know if you have seen the description to this video. I know from looking at my wife's iPhone and iPad that the descriptions don't automatically appear. I try to re-create scenes that were typical for their time, so what we have here is an A3 and a Gresley V2 on a postal and passenger combined express with the 'Caledonian Single' which was brought out of static display and operated a number of specials at that time (circa 1959-62?). I've also given a shout out to the Tri-ang cattle wagons in the description. 😊👍

Hi, thank you very much for your comments and observations. The history of British model railways is an endlessly fascinating suject in itself and I'm only too well aware of the trials and tribulations of the two main companies involved and when the buy outs/takeovers took place. Hornby-Dublo went into liquidation in February 1964 and Tri-ang Rovex took over and disposed of the existing stock, tasking Wrenn with the undertaking. Tri-ang Rovex had also acquired Scalextrics and Wrenn who had a rival Formula 152 racing car set were bought up to quosh the competition. Wrenn started up a limited production of H.D. whilst still with the Rovex comany (usual story in this hobby, when something disappears, people start wanting it again) but Wrenn also saw the writing on the wall as the 1970s approached and jumped ship along with the (not all) Hornby-Dublo tooling...but that's another story! Tri-ang Rovex (initially part of the Lines Brothers empire) were sold to the Dunbee-Combex-Marx group in 1971. Production continued at the Margate factory pretty much along the lines as before but under new management. I'm guessing that new tool makers came in as some new products were launched between 1971-5 including the 9F, Black 5 and the Duchess. The 9F was outstanding for its day. Here was a serious attempt to get to grips with model manufacturing. I believe Hornby got hold of the Fleischmann Class 52 (?) 2-10-0 to see what made it tick. The Black 5 was too compromised for my liking even back then. As for D of S, I felt that was poor for the reasons stated although Hornby did tweek that model again in the 1980s/early 90s with improved finish and tender chassis. I have three volumes of the 'Story of Rovex' by Pat Hammond and I can cofirm that the all pictures (side on) of the Duchess from 1975/6 to the 1990s show the body leaning forwards with gapping and daylight between the body and chassis and that's not to mention the detail inaccuracies (cylinders). In a word...Lousy!

Thank you for your comments and interest. Hope this helps: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6BAPRJQ9Ong.html

Many thanks for your comment. Delighted it's brought back memories for you. Cheers, Graeme

Hi, TBH I have lost track of all the sets/train packs that Hornby have produced down the years so you are most probably correct in your recollection. Yes, there was another Brit that spent some time on the Southern and I believe it was 70009. I can't recall the purpose behind the allocation but it may have had something to do with with recurring problems with the Merchant Navy Pacifics. Black Fives and V2s were lent to the Southern at this time to cover their duties as well. Hope this helps. Graeme

Hi Many thanks for your reply, I never knew v2s were sent to help out at this time, on digging a little deeper ( LNER V2s on the southern) also stated B1s were also sent to help out. The plot thickens. I've just found a bournemouth belle pack on ebay with the 12 wheeled pullmans and Alfred the Great locomotive, so purchased this set so I've only to find sunbeam to complete all the 12 wheeled pullmans coaches Hornby have produced.

@@paulroberts9704 Well done! BTW be careful with those China manufactured Pullmans; I bought a set about twenty years ago and a twelve wheeler and they were fine to begin with but after some time they started to derail coming off curves onto the straight section. Not all the time and not the same vehicle every time either so it wasn't the track! At first I thought it was the window lugs that were holding the windows in place protruding through the chassis interfering with the free movement of the bogie. The bogie is a very close fitting on those premium scale coaches. I did clip the lugs back which effected some improvement but the problem didn't go away. My advice would be to not run them on anything less than a fourth radius curve, There again, later manufacturing runs might have solved this problem...but with me it only became a problem with the passage of time!

The pleasure is mine I can assure you! Thank you very much for your appreciation and observation. Delighted you enjoyed!

Many thanks for your comments and observations. These kind if formations were legend in their day and just about anything would turn up in them no matter the originating region.

@@crewelocoman5b161 The ICI train looks superb and a pleasant change from seeing oil or petroleum traffic modelled. The Triang (Lines Bros.) factory was at Merton Abbey - now and industrial estate with no rail connection. Door to Door was advertised pre-war although the logo on your fine wagons appears to date from the early sixties - perhaps 1961? - (yet to pin down a date of its introduction which would be useful for modellers).

@@ewhurstgreen Thank you for your interest. I recall seeing the 'Door to Door' logo on containers in the mid sixties and on the 'ice blue' containers as well. The actual container I used for that wagon is incorrect, but hey-ho, there it is! The white 4 wheel ICI wagons are H.D. and I've added a tie bar between the axle boxes and painted the stanchion supports white as shown in Paul Bartlett's excellent pictorial survey. Apart from that there is virtually nothing to add in the way of transfers etc. The H.D. "Traffic Services" does not feature at all in Paul Bartlett's archive and more experienced modellers than myself have said that they are unable to trace a drawing or diagram spec for this wagon. The Tri-ang bogie "ICI" wagons are a reworking by myself of the 'plastic' red bogie wagon not based on anything as far as I can see! As can be seen, these have been painted silver with a grey platform on the top. Based on chemical wagons in Paul Bartlett's archive I have adorned mine with all the emblems that appear common to a these vehicles HazChem etc, large ICI logo (hard to find now) and a maintenance chart on the side of the sole bar. The slightly later white 'Murgatroyd's' bogie wagons that you might have come across on my uploads have had the same treatment. On those, the orange stripe that runs horizontally amidships from end to end is not possible without removing the heat stamped black lettering, so I placed them around the tank at either end. The silver ICI bogie tank is entirely fictitious while the Murgatroyd's is an approximation or reworking if you like. Either way, imo, I have taken a wagon which was good in its day and made it into a credible looking and interesting vehicle that can pass muster on a layout today.

@@crewelocoman5b161 Freight continues to be an interesting subject so rarely covered. In undertaking investigation into Fish traffic on the East Coast (on Blood and Custard) and the 'Ice Blue' livery dates from 1964. The ex.HD wagons really do look good with the extra touches as do the bogie wagons. Chemical traffic was limited on the Southern Region, but when I found a colour photograph the (Bachmann) Ronuk wagons en-route to Portslade this was a real blessing for they are now suitably distressed, stained and weathered as per the originals. These wagons carried spirit for the production of polish Paul Barlett's archive is historically very important and very useful. Getting the correct emblems can be really difficult and trying to pin down approximate (let alone exact) dates for these is even harder. Have one 'Murgatroyd' bogie tanker (now with scale wheels but ducked out of adding the orange stripe). I've not had time to research these wagons further - have you got information on their use and sphere of operation? Do have several 'Crosfield Chemicals' (alkali) tankers which has lead to my reading a really interesting book on the history of Joseph Crosfield. I'll have to locate its exact title, but there is a useful fifties publication on the history of the UK chemical industry which covers corporate identities and railway wagons - managed to find a mid-sixties revised edition which was updated from the original. A friend is modelling the Sheerness brank (Kent) and the Triang 'Bowaters' tankers are surprisingly close. Ultimately if the wagon looks the part few people will have the knowledge to be able to spot even the most significant inconsistencies let alone a willingness to pass adverse comment.

@@ewhurstgreen Totally agree 100%. The publications I have for reference are 'British Railway Wagons - the first half million" and "Twilight of the Goods" both by Don Rowland, by no means comprehensive for such a vast topic but still useful and fascinating. "The 4mm Wagon" in 4 short volumes by Geoff Kent is a good reference point but I for one am never going to scratch build a wagon chassis for sure!! The Murgatroyd's bogie chlorine wagons were based at the company's Sandbach and Middlewich works in Cheshire. The works pumped brine up from underground and produced salt and other chemicals such as caustic soda. ICI had extensive factories across Cheshire including Widnes and Runcorn...Fisons...Remember the excellent Twin Silo Prestwin from Airfix back in the '60s still available today with Dapol. I have 6 of these rebranded with ICI. I painted them brick red/brown and picked out all the detail in black and weathered the chassis. They look fantastic! If I have a mission statement it is to avoid the elaborate 'train-set' look as far as possible. I mend and make do, add to, modify, re-paint existing off the shelf stuff, kits etc. I can't scratch build. Most people in this hobby understand this and get it and it really does pay off. As you rightly say most folk are not that much aware of the myriad of varying details even on the same wagon. I have had a few comments down the years pointing out some tiny inaccuracies to which my response has been "does the distance between the rails bother you at all?" or when a comment is made about sleeper spacings on a layout re the 'look' I have pointed out "shouldn't you be looking at EM or Proto4?" BTW, I re wheeled my Tri-ang bogie wagons with the smallest wagon wheels from Alan Gibson and added additional balast to the vehicle for good measure. Here are a couple of links for transfers and pictures of tank/TTA wagons: ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/T/TTA-2-axle-tank-wagons (I used these as a basis for my rake of weathered TTA oil vehicles...even better than Paul Bartlett!) www.railtec-models.com/ Cheers, Graeme

Hi, Thank you very much for your your observations and interest. My recollections of 9Fs are mainly from 8C Speke Junction. The one here is a factory weathered one. Wind back a few on my channel and it is seen again with another Hornby weathered 9F which has weathering powders added. Cheers, Graeme

Hi Lynden, Yes indeed! That 'Tri-ang' container wagon is an attractive vehicle and a bit hard to find in a decent, good condition nowadays. There will be some more Tri-ang rolling stock to follow. Thank you very much for your observations! Graeme

@@crewelocoman5b161 Looking forward to seeing it!

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Freight trains provide endless fascination on a model railway simply by virtue of the sheer variety rolling stock and multitude of combinations possible. Thank you for your keen observations and insight. Much appreciated.

@@crewelocoman5b161 Thank you for the film!

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Hi Chris, Ah...the ill fated 'Condor' express freight. Never quite understood exactly why this wasn't a success . The explanations put forward were varied but I supposed it paved the way for the later 'Freightliner' concept. The Class 28s certainly didn't help. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1EzWYA0Ha9U.html Many thanks for your comment and interest!

Always a pleasure to hear from you. Delighted you enjoyed the presentation and variety. Many thanks again!

Hi Martin, I'm fine thank you. Thank you for your observations. Delighted you enjoyed the variety on display. More to follow! Graeme

Why thank you so much for that endorsement! Delighted you enjoyed. Cheers, Graeme

Hello Alan, Thank you for your comment. Delighted you enjoyed.

Hi, Thank you for your keen observations. Interesting that you have sold your more recent models. Have you converted '2 rail' to '3 rail' or just accumulated '3 rail' stock? They all combine the virtues if duability as well as nostalgia. This is how the hobby started. Many thanks, Graeme

@@crewelocoman5b161 Hi Graeme, I mainly operate on a 3 rail layout (Although I do still have 2 rail track still squirrelled away). I dont tend to convert much from 2 rail chassis to 3 rail. I usually buy 2 rail dublo ( and some wrenn) locomotives and put the bodies onto duplicate 3 rail chassis for variety in running numbers and livery. Then put the 2 rail chassis away. So they can be put back to original one day if required. I find them a joy to repair and service which is quite difficult with newer models. I really enjoy buying cheap non runners and get them up and running again. All the best Ed.

@@l1a146 Brilliant!👍

Well thank you kindly sir! I'm delighted it has provided you with an enjoyable start to your Sunday. I wasn't too sure how the Deltic would turn out but I'm pleased with the result. Cheers, Graeme

You are so right!! I've been looking at some reviews of the latest offerings from the manufacturers and the slagging off comments about price, details, lights, you name it, it's going off the scale. It's a moan fest of monumental proportions. I had to point out that steam locomotives didn't have "lights" as such and that the attempt by manufacturers to keep one step ahead all the time is pointless. Essentially, they were train code identification symbols and were only lit at night. Attempts to introduce electric lighting on steam locos was abandoned as they couldn't be seen in daylight hours! Springside have provided a full range of near scale lamps with jewelled glass for those who want to add these features. My recent 46202 looks ridiculous with bright 'head' lights. I'm surprised by the almost total lack of knowledge and understanding of steam era operations by many model railway enthusiasts. Anyway, I'm delighted as always you enjoyed the 'pure' HD showcase! Yes, they all had the standard HD coupling...in its various forms!

Hi, Many thanks for that endorsement! Delighted you approve. Cheers Graeme

Thank you for your observation. My understanding is that the GW needed a more powerful locomotive than the 'Star' to handle the increasing loads to the West Country.

Hi, Thank you very much for your comments and observations. Delighted you enjoyed the session. BTW...the great man spelt his name with just the one 'n'🙂

@@crewelocoman5b161 AHH Ahh so he did ! I,m glad it says Stanier on the box and loco ..... You had me worried there.... Had to go and check 😁all is well 👍

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Yes indeed! Many thanks for your comment and interest.

Hi, Many thanks for your keen observations and interest. To answer your questions: all my rolling stock has metal wheels including wagons from Tri-ang dating from the early 1960s. I do not add additional pick-ups to the tenders. They are not needed, at least on my layout. You are absolutely right about lamps and tail lights. I have some Wrenn locos, some of which I have re-sprayed (Castles and 8Fs) where I have added vacuum brake pipes, screw couplings, scale metal buffers and glazed cab windows.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iSi2fvr0n-o.html Many thanks, Graeme

Hi, Many thanks for your comments and the nostalgia. I'm delighted the session brought back memories for you!🙂.

Thank you very much indeed for your thoughtful insights and keen observations. You are correct about the full actuation of the Walschaerts Valve Gear to be observed on Hornby-Dublo locos and their Wrenn successors. To be fair, Bachmann have been modelling the full operatonal movement of that gear for over twenty years now, it's just that you don't see it. First off, the motion on current models tends to be blackened or darkened for added realism and secondly the movement is only very slight indeed. This is probably closer to the real thing as drivers would alter the cut-off settings of steam admission to the cylinders according to optimum operational and economy requirements so the valve rod movements could be very slight in some situations. Hornby, as far as I know, have never had valve rod movements on their locos. I make no judgement on that for the reasons already stated. Hornby-Dublo (and Wrenn) have always had full Walschaerts Valve Gear movement (A4 late 1930s and Coronation - Atholl post war). One of the reasons you notice it more is the very shiny polished finish applied to the valve gear and rodding. Delighted you enjoyed the session!

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Many thanksfor your comments and recollections! Memories are a precious commodity. I'm guessing that the derailments had more to do with speed than anything else...😊

Many thanks for your comment and interest. From the Man himself : "A deuce of a good engine!"🙂

Awesome layout, with Great Attention to Detail.

@@donniblanco5239 Hi, Many thanks for that great comment. Much appreciated!

Possibly, a busy and lucrative section of line in its heyday, although the layout was not built with any particular location in mind, more atypical final years of BR steam. Many thanks for your observation and interest!

You're welcome!

Yes, indeed they are. Thank you for your comment and interest.

Me too! Many thanks for your comment.🙂

Yes, you are quite correct. A bit of paintwork can go a long way. Thank you for your observation. Most welcome!