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I mean in the official rules for the contest interfering with a competitors blade is cheating as if their blade fails a test it can be considered that you sabotaged them to better your chances.
Well these are episodes where the FANS said cheating occurred and the final one IS cheating. They rules against helping competitors because if their blade fails ANY test you automatically get disqualified for sabotage.
@@stock_movie1875 there's no rule in forged in fire that the smiths can't help each other. they did a morally good thing and by CHOOSING to help, their blades suffered for it. if there had been a rule for not helping someone else, they would have been disqualified during the crafting process simply by going over to help. it sucks that someone went home for helping out a competitor finish a blade, but at the end of the day, the blade is being tested, not their morality/sense of good.
@@WIBRTyranT actually there are rules against helping competitors. Mostly because if their blade fails ANY test for ANY reason it can be said that you sabotaged them.
No Cheating at all in this video. 1. Didn't want to chop his hand off, the first strike was pretty hard. 2. Parameters not met and therefore unsafe to test. 3. Helped with his handle just so he could test. All the failures to others were to their blades and no help was given with forging.
Parameters not met simply means it's disqualified. They've done other blades that had minimal to no pommels or cross-guards just fine, you just have to be aware of how they are to be used to minimize danger to the user.
@@stock_movie1875 it's not sabotage if they OFFER to help. no one could force them to help him. they chose to. sabotage would be him going over to their works and messing them up.
missing a parameter is not cheating as it is grounds for dismissal. jay did not go light on his blade. helping eachother is actually encouraged it's not cheating.
Helping us only allowed in athe master/student events where the Smiths have help from a master smith. Outside of that it is in the official contest rules that you CANNOT interfere with a competitors blade as if they fail it can be said YOU sabotaged them.
@@joshuatempleton9556 again it's in the official rules. However 90% of the rules don't get enforced. I actually wanted to get on the show but after seeing the ridiculous number of rules that are utter nonsense and the liability waver I was like nope.
@@stock_movie1875 again, you don't know the definition of sabotage. sabotage means to go out of your way to damage another competitor's work maliciously. being offered help freely by others of their own choosing is not at all considered sabotage. they weren't held against their wills and forced to do anything.
Sadly this crap is everywhere in the knife world now.... mostly mediocre makers nowadays 😢 This show brought a lot of interest into the field. Not all are worth the excitement..... the first time the TEAM accepted a knife that did not meet the perimeters, I quit. Cheap knockoff now.
Missed parameter is a mistake not a cheat. Others have helped each other throughout the seasons. No one cheated in any of these, but I still like the challenges.
I don’t think Jay was cheating. He had to use what he had on hand for the test. When the zip ties didn’t hold the bones well enough, he was holding them himself. Would you chop as hard as you could if your hand was a couple of inches from where you are hitting?
I think that each of the judge’s blades should have been sent to one of the other judges for testing, so as to remove all doubt as to the veracity of the testing.
It’s not like they were competing either. These episodes were just to fill some space until Covid was over and they could get back to filming regular episodes. If I remember right, Jay actually lost when challenged during the contestant vs the expert episodes.
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Honestly, I've seen all episodes of the forge. You really can't say ppl are cheating when its every ones choice to design each their own style blade or a replica of one they ask for. If your competitor wants to help you its your choice to allow that help. If they wanna give you advice its yours to do with as you want. If that person helps you or encourages you to keep going and then you end up finishing and beating them, its not cheating because they are accepting the consequences of their own actions. Its like saying I want this guy to lose so i may continue on, if i help i'm only increasing my chances of them surviving on. But the point of why ppl help in the forge at times is to express their love an passion for the forge blade making sport. Honestly though J Neilson, you can see in almost all episodes that when it comes to testing the strength test, he beats the blades mercifully into the objects he strikes. In his home forge, during the battle of the judges when they ask each other to make a blade they give to one another. It is possible that J Neilson wasn't using his full strength like he did in the episodes, however it could be said that these judges was doing this out of fun, so win or lose it didn't matter how hard he swung just as long as he completed the task he was given. Had this been a real test against someone else's blade for a chance to win $10,000. Then i 100% believe they would have Bashed that blade is hard as possible to make it fair for both competitors to be tested evenly.
@@TheRealNormanBates Thanks for correcting my word there, however its everyone's desire on the show to hear him be merciful to there blades. In more cases than not, during the show, he does express how well the blades hold up there for mercifully is a term i used to express that all went well. Basically expressing to the one who made the blade that regardless of the test your manage to survive, meaning Mercifully; one is relieved to say that.
I think this is well worded and quite true. At any point anyone in all the episodes I've seen that has gotten help from competitors could say "nah dude let me win/lose on my terms, let me fail under my own power" and the other ones could easily just let their fellow competition fall hard. It's the willingness to put your own creation on the line just to see another person in the same profession have a chance to show themselves, after all... this show is for all to see, to be sent home with things unfinished is heartbreaking for everyone, competitors, viewers, judges, contestant... everyone feels it. It's not like a football game where it's 11 vs. 11 and it all gets jumbled up, no... it's 4 people on full view, it's a true strength of character to go to that length and and give the others a fair chance.
You CANNOT help a competitor. Because if their blade fails ANY test for ANY reason you get disqualified for sabotaging their blade. Even if all you did was give them a tool they specifically needed.
@@stock_movie1875 Devil's advocate... the one receiving help could easily be like "nah lemme do this". I have a feeling they'd likely review footage and see if there was sabotage or there was no hope for the blade anyway and then judge fairly based on what they could see.
The complaints about Jay Neilson testing his blade are wrong. After the zip ties failed on the first strike, he ended up holding the bison jawbones against the wood with his bare hand. IMO, he wasn't cheating, he was trying to make sure he didn't chop into his off hand with a razor sharp blade.
I agree. Normally he is able to hold his other hand closer to his chest to mitigate accidents... but since he had to actively hold the bone, he needed to exercise more care. Since he's doing it for work/compensation, even more so as his employer would be liable.
How is it HIS fault the other contestants gave him their time and effort when they should've focused on their own knives? How you use your time is up to you, and if you want to help another guy so there can be more competitors, that's on you.
There was no cheating. There was some poor craftmanship and parameter oversights, but definitely no cheating. This content producer is guilty of defamation.
The judge definitely soft pedaled his own testing. When he's testing contestant's blades, he swings as hard as he possibly can. They also gave themselves two weeks. They give contestants 4 days.
That "Double fuller" is doing a lot more work in people's heads then it is on that sword. You could remove it and add a whole pound and still use it one handed.
There was no cheating. You can't reasonably judge the 1st example as cheating. The 2nd one clearly missed the pommel parameter and the third, the guy was confident enough in his own blade to stop working and help a competitor. Has nothing to do with how his competitor performed.
There have been several instances where the smiths have helped their competitors and the judges allowed it. There has not been an episode I have seen where it was stated that this was not allowed. even the judges comment on how this is a good representation of the community of smiths. Also the video clip you showed of Jay's test of his own blade did not give me a full view of the testing so I cannot give an opinion on that one as I did not see this episode. Since I don't have cable and not all episodes are available on RU-vid, I have missed several episodes.
Not putting a round pommel on a broad sword is a detriment so it can't be considered cheating. For the Medieval sword of mystery, it's a broad sword with a double fuller and requires the large pommel for balance. Nielson took shorter strokes, but they were definitely full hits. Having a slight flexibility to the hand increases the impact due to additional rotational force. The last one, the Smith was just dumb for helping his competitor when he had a poorly forged blade.
I don't think the judge cheated, even if not striking as hard as he could, since after the ties broke he had to hold the bones himself. If he slipped, he wanted to be in control of the blade still so as to not strike his own hand.
I can't comment on strength tests until I know what medical conditions he has. Nerve damage, arthritis or peripheral neuropathy can limit strength or movement NOT TO MENTION THE MAN IS A LEGEND-LEGENDS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FALL OR FADE AWAY.
For the last clip, it is the contestants choice to either help or focus on your own blade. It is a competition that many would rather win against a finished blade then by default. So, no i do not consider it a cheating move. As for the jury's competition they made it easy on themselfs.
The other two judges didn't seem to think he was cheating. They sounded impressed. I think people just love drama and have nothing better to do in their lives.
If that last guy hadn't helped, the other guy's knife wouldn't have gotten finished and would have been sent home by default. He totally hosed himself, just shows that "nice guys finish last".
Neilson didn't cheat, if you actually watched the show you'd know he's been plagued by chronic wrist problems from doing knife tests exactly like this. If he did hold back a bit, maybe he just didn't want to re-injure his wrist. He's a master bladesmith, the knives you have to make to get that go through way worse testing than even the show blades do, he doesn't have to cheat.
The second one, seriously? 4 days, to make an exact replica of something that complicated? The guy didnt cheat, he dis his best and kudos to him, especially considering the judgesgave themselves 2 weeks to produce something with the only parameter being "materials you havent used before, and chopper, to top it off, he chooses a material he always wanted to use. And you have the balls to call the contestant a cheater and put him on level with the lame judges?
He didn't cheat! He was holding the jawbone with one hand and striking with the other so there is no way he could put his entire ass into it while holding on.
My question on this testing issue is are you talking about an official TEST for the challenge? Or a PERSONAL test of his chopper? If it was official the other judges should have been there too.
On the "limp wrist" one, a properly weighted blade will use the momentum you give up to the moment of contact. You put the force into the swing but allow the knife to follow through. So I have no problem with his swing.
Nielson’s san mai was a total failure. The cladding overlapped the core steel which proves a total lack of forging control and a lack of basic understanding of blade construction. Additionally I must say the entire judge’s competition was a joke, and totally unlike how the show was normally conducted.
The other 2 contestants chose to help him finish. If the other contestants didn’t want that blade in competition against their own then they shouldn’t have helped him finish. Not cheating in my opinion
How is any of this cheating... much less stealing something? #1 - he had just spent a week+ hammering away at his blade. I'm sure that contributed to "less than full-power" swings. #2 - dude failed to meet parameters. #3 - the blade smith community is tight and has a lot of great folks that want to see all smiths do well. They volunteered to help... FFS!
Wow... what a colossal waste of time. Nothing here was cheating. Geezus... if a missed parameter is cheating then you could have highlighted about 50 of the episodes. If helping out your competitor is cheating, what do you call sportsmanship ? This was a serious stretch and click bait
