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Blacksmith Neil Kamimura rates nine forging scenes from movies and television for realism.
He discusses the accuracy of "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" (2003), "Game of Thrones" (2014), and "Rambo" (2008), starring Sylvester Stallone. He also comments on scenes from "Conan the Barbarian" (1982), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger; "Iron Man" (2008), starring Robert Downey Jr.; and "A Knight's Tale" (2001). Kamimura analyzes the forging in "Ragnarok" (2021); "Infinite" (2021), starring Mark Wahlberg; and "Avengers: Endgame" (2019).
Kamimura owns and operates the forge T Kamimura Blacksmith in Hawaii.
You can follow Neil Kamimura here:
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Website: tkamimurablacksmith.com/
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@murphythelatecomer4608
@murphythelatecomer4608 Год назад
I kind of love how Insider got a lot of experts who tried to be nice while criticizing something, and this guy is like, “Nah, that’s just crap.” 😂
@ufc990
@ufc990 Год назад
888⁸888⁸8888
@TRYPH
@TRYPH Год назад
Love the honesty, even if it’s kinda harsh lol
@TheExxse
@TheExxse Год назад
Just shows that he loves his craft and Hollywood has a poor understanding of this craft
@DangeHD
@DangeHD Год назад
The ditch guy wasn´t trying to be nice aswell
@jahrn6
@jahrn6 Год назад
In movie scenes the actors do not have to do it right - only imitate what they are doing It would be the same energy required of them >and the crew< to imitate it right - and still there are many, who don't even put the effort in it - out of pure lazyness
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache Год назад
His ruthlessness and his refusal for sugarcoating his criticisms just shows how much passion he actually has for blacksmithing.
@luckytheunlucky1157
@luckytheunlucky1157 Год назад
Nobody yet replied to you so...FIRST!
@dansundae7091
@dansundae7091 Год назад
I miss your old PP
@thelastquincy1457
@thelastquincy1457 Год назад
It also is what makes this video so interesting.
@desty4030
@desty4030 Год назад
Are you serious? If you think this is ruthlessness you must've grown up in a disney world
@zoneout3363
@zoneout3363 Год назад
Why do i see you everywhere
@DrkWhiteWolf
@DrkWhiteWolf Год назад
I remember this dude on Forged in Fire. In a challenge his first attempt at a knife went south and he had to start over and he hammered out a knife, swinging with all his strength and skill in 30 minutes from a single small billet that he made from canister steel. This man is no joke. Not only did he hammer out that knife in 30 minutes, it was better than his other competitors knives they spent hours on.
@adrianradu2332
@adrianradu2332 Год назад
Did he end up winning??
@tiwantiwaabibiman2603
@tiwantiwaabibiman2603 Год назад
RIGHT!!!! I think I saw that episode a few years ago (if I remember correctly). Great point! Thanx...
@owenhalloran3111
@owenhalloran3111 Год назад
what episode?
@SenatorJesus
@SenatorJesus Год назад
@@owenhalloran3111 Season 4 Episode 8 "The Cinquedea" (SPOILERS btw) He did win
@rhadaze2509
@rhadaze2509 Год назад
Dude.. I just watched the episode. Nothing you said here happened
@springmillexotics7871
@springmillexotics7871 Год назад
I love how brutally honest he is in his judgements. You can tell he really knows his craft.
@user-le9qt5te3x
@user-le9qt5te3x Месяц назад
Hard disagree, but you do you.
@SigmaValence
@SigmaValence Месяц назад
@@user-le9qt5te3x Why?
@naantjez
@naantjez 4 дня назад
And i love how American's call what he did "brutally honest" because he was holding back a lot still. No flame, i'm just Dutch.
@LiveFreeOrDie2A
@LiveFreeOrDie2A Год назад
I LOVE how merciless this man is in his criticisms. Taking full advantage of the platform he’s been given to mock those who make a mockery of his craft. I could listen to him for hours!
@Thickcurves
@Thickcurves Год назад
It's great up until he says he wouldn't let Jason Momoa's movie have bad forging.... when Momoa stared in a remake of Conan THAT DID THE EXACT SAME THING! 2:33
@samschreiber1640
@samschreiber1640 Год назад
@@Thickcurves maybe they weren't friends 12 years ago
@NickRoman
@NickRoman Год назад
Except, I love how he went easy on Conan because, "it was made in the 80s and they didn't know any better". lol Well, yes, they had plenty of problems getting that movie made. The accuracy of a forging scene was the least of their worries.
@davidberger3472
@davidberger3472 Год назад
I'm sitting here making notes for my D&D game. I would totally listen to him more.
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 Год назад
@@davidberger3472 love D&D
@tphelps86
@tphelps86 Год назад
This is probably one of the harshest "Blacksmith Rates" videos I've seen, but also my favorite. Neil isn't pulling punches and I love it!
@Jeffro5564
@Jeffro5564 Год назад
He doesn’t sugar coat things like today generation who are scared when someone calls them out and whinge like 2 year old toddler cos they got offended haha
@clumsyslime3369
@clumsyslime3369 Год назад
@@Jeffro5564 Hurr durr new bad old good
@jameskerwin5836
@jameskerwin5836 Год назад
Yes this was a great video. Too bad movies are disrespecting his craft.
@tphelps86
@tphelps86 Год назад
@@jameskerwin5836 yeah, I've seen in other videos like this though, and he may have even mentioned it, that they have to make creative choices a lot of times in movies to make it look better/show up properly on camera. I still like videos pointing out what's right and wrong though!
@hansolowe19
@hansolowe19 Год назад
Honesty is good. We learned more now than if he'd been coddling and not entirely true.
@RagingInsomniac
@RagingInsomniac Год назад
i like how he was straight to the point. people who criticize something should be exactly like this guy, honest to the soul.
@chaoss5
@chaoss5 Год назад
Come to the Netherlands! We are famous for our honesty, though we are called rude by others for it.
@RagingInsomniac
@RagingInsomniac Год назад
@@chaoss5 i believe there is a fine line between being honest, and being a douche. sometimes being honest is the best, but theres a few instances where you actually need to lie, or puff up your answer to sound positive.
@birbdad1842
@birbdad1842 7 месяцев назад
@@chaoss5 Wut? Who said that ever?
@ratone1983
@ratone1983 Год назад
This is exactly what I expect from these videos: Neil Kamimura is an actual expert, who is negatively affected by the portrayal of his job, giving a critique of whether they're accurate or not. Nothing personal (save for the Rambo bit, haha), and he loves the cast and the movies... but he's actually motivated to call it if it's bs. And his explanation of what they got right, what not, how could they do better and such. Such a pro.
@mlopez2082
@mlopez2082 Год назад
Insider, you need to bring this guy back for more. This is the type of reviews I want to see, honest, brutal but with actual knowledge behind what he is saying and explanation of why he thinks that way.
@dikofazhari7071
@dikofazhari7071 Год назад
not actual this guy, but more like the "brutal" honest guy like him
@jiado6893
@jiado6893 Год назад
All that, and he's not calling the people who makes these scene idiots or something.
@BDBlueDragon16
@BDBlueDragon16 Год назад
@@dikofazhari7071 What about Ben Abbot?
@blowc1612
@blowc1612 Год назад
Dude is terrible, then the Jason name drop shows he is a douchebag and act as if he has any pull in a set talking about how he won't let him do a scene a certain way. He doesn't account for the story like in the game of thrones when the sword is made out of material that is supposed to be mythical from the lore but he just want to show off his expertise. 100% dude is a douchebag in real life.
@hansolowe19
@hansolowe19 Год назад
They have had a few. I like it, one of the paleontologists was like that. When experts sugar-coat things they are not helping anyone.
@nephilic3964
@nephilic3964 Год назад
This man is actually jokes. Nonstop laughter at his commentary and natural humor but you can also tell he has enough experience to back his criticism. What a cool dude
@starwarslover4070
@starwarslover4070 Год назад
M
@willyum3920
@willyum3920 5 месяцев назад
"A tree dude gives up his arm for a handle... you can't take it too seriously" Love this guy
@HarryPotter-uv8yp
@HarryPotter-uv8yp Год назад
A blacksmith swings his hammer with purpose, precision, and weight. I love to see they can do the same with words. Those criticisms had enough purpose, precision, and weight as an actual hammer. The “impurities” he was smashing out were the misconceptions Hollywood has created of actual smithing. Respect.
@h3rpad3rpacifilis
@h3rpad3rpacifilis Год назад
I really do want them to make an accurate portrayal of smithing techniques in the future, and a lot of these scenes are definitely not even close after all of Neil Kamimura's insightful explanation. Not to mention the point he made about Japanese swords and how the craft is built on respect, I feel like a lot of people forget the culture beyond what they see in fantasy. However, it could also be argued that some of these scenes are less about the making but more about the meaning. Forging scenes usually come with character development, even though these scenes are cringy in hindsight. For example, in the Game of Thrones scene, they want to show the transition from big, bulky two-handed sword to the two smaller swords. Clarity trumps accuracy because the point is that they need to show the detailing on Ned's sword against the cool, black crucible. They pour it into an open mould because again, they want to emphasize its that same sword taking on a different form. It doesn't make sense from a craftsman's perspective, but it does from the creative storytelling/filmmaking point of view.
@andrewames247
@andrewames247 2 месяца назад
@@h3rpad3rpacifilisIt's the same thing with the re-forging of Narsil and it's change into Anduril; putting Elvish magic inherent in Lord of the Rings and the restoration of a 3,500 year old blade aside, where the edges are still sharp, it was meant to be representative of Aragorn taking up the mantle of kingship, and finally being worthy...
@Rikushio17
@Rikushio17 Год назад
one note in the Iron mane scene: cold forging is very common when armor smithing, and the coal forge is lit low to anneal the pieces at various stages so they don't crack after work hardening. I'm a blacksmith with 20 years experience. the quench in that scene is just Hollywood bs though. 7/10 is a good rating for that.
@RedHeadKevin
@RedHeadKevin Год назад
My other issue with any Iron Man scene is that an Iron Man suit can always be fixed with a Dremel and lots and lots of sparks.
@MartinWasTaken
@MartinWasTaken Год назад
He gave 7 because he liked IM though, he would have given lower otherwise.
@Ironica82
@Ironica82 Год назад
Usually on the series, they have at least one really good example. Considering that he basically hated them all, do you have an example from a movie or show that actually did it correctly?
@identitymatrix
@identitymatrix Год назад
The Mark I suit is actually not made from steel I think. Since it's not some metal which exists in real life we could say pretty much anything I guess
@Mrblackops952
@Mrblackops952 Год назад
@@identitymatrix it is just made from steel cuz he made that suit with the material from the “rocket” he was supposed to build
@dallasgreen4660
@dallasgreen4660 Год назад
I’m a blacksmith and bladesmith as well. Scenes like these kill me because it would not take a lot of work for them to make accurate smithing scenes. They clearly are able to recreate blacksmith shops to a decent degree why not ask an actual Smith how it’s done? Us smiths love talking about our craft and would offer up some info in a heartbeat.
@toddellner5283
@toddellner5283 Год назад
10 minutes to show someone how to hammer realistically. A couple more to get the anvil at the right height. Maybe half an hour total to get them to where they could make heating to critical, edge quenching, and swearing when them metal went _ting_ in the quench trough look and sound realistic :)
@BIGW0RM
@BIGW0RM Год назад
You'd think they'd have a bladesmith or a blacksmith on hand for consultation for the day or two it would take to shoot the scenes, but alas.
@josephduggan7065
@josephduggan7065 Год назад
the main reason these scenes are not realistic is probably because of Insurance, and Health and Safety requirements on set.
@Magneticlaw
@Magneticlaw Год назад
That's the arrogance/laziness of Hollywood for you.
@mehere8038
@mehere8038 Год назад
Main comment seemed to relate to heat being too low. Is it realistic to get heat to the required level without impacting on their makeup & causing the actors to sweat on camera etc? Also, actors aren't going to have any fitness or stamina compared to a real smith & in acting they repeat the scenes over & over & over, so again, do you think it would be realistic for actors to be doing the actions that make it look realistic in that setting? Stuff like hitting the hole instead of the correct spot on the anvil though, yeh, obviously they can & should fix that!
@AnimecrazySakura7
@AnimecrazySakura7 Год назад
I LOVED this guy. He was so knowledgable but also so funny 😂 He did not hold back and I love that
@jamostudios7596
@jamostudios7596 Год назад
Same lmfao I love his savage but honest roasts 😭 Not to mention man literally looks like a badass Northern blacksmith in those fantasy world stories
@thebenforever
@thebenforever Год назад
Stallone has been doing gun movies forever and he still uses the teacup/saucer grip. I am not surprised at all that he chose to simply beat a piece of steel like he was hammering a nail. He's been relying on the audience's suspension of disbelief for so long, that it has shaped his film style.
@DeterminedDIYer
@DeterminedDIYer Год назад
lmao he does! he also has no trigger discipline.
@brokenrecord3523
@brokenrecord3523 Год назад
Wahlberg's elbows are practically touching. No wonder he can't get any power. Your forearms are usually 90 degrees to each other and if any arm is going to be moving about and adjusting position, it's going to be your holding hand.
@jamess2873
@jamess2873 Год назад
I'm glad you covered it, because I HATED the Rambo forging scene, it was utterly terrible. Inexcusably terrible. I'm also a bladesmith and it hurt my soul. Imagine a racing scene where the car had no wheels and the driver was facing backwards, that's how terrible it was.
@wtfmeight
@wtfmeight Год назад
This made me chuckle, thank you for putting it into laymans terms
@joedominguez9437
@joedominguez9437 Год назад
The idea of him making a knife while having flashbacks is a cool idea.. but ya
@dandew1072
@dandew1072 Год назад
Clearly you've never seen any of the Cars movies.
@annasolovyeva1013
@annasolovyeva1013 Год назад
Yeah. I'm a weak person, if i was a DND character, my str would be 1 (not str modifier +1. Str 1). Even I can handle some of the real smithing hammers, they're enough for small things. 1 kg, 1.5 kg. On the other hand, I'm like between normal and ambidextral, so handling the ticks with the left hand is not a problem to me, unlike other people who try smithing.
@m.richards6947
@m.richards6947 Год назад
Everything after the first Rambo film is cheesy pentagon-funded propaganda.
@zephyrhantbloodlust
@zephyrhantbloodlust Год назад
Neil is Forged in Fire winner, he is awesome with blades he forged. Love his work
@EV21
@EV21 Год назад
How many of the contestants have similar backgrounds as his vs how many are just medieval fans with disposable income?
@GabyGibson
@GabyGibson Год назад
I love him, too!
@b4d69
@b4d69 Год назад
oh really, i think i vaguely remember him but i literally posted a comment to say he needs to go on FiF!
@b4d69
@b4d69 Год назад
@@EV21 quite a lot of them are serious smiths or if part time then they've been doing it for years. usually also they're pitched against similarly skilled/experienced smiths so a master smith won't be put up against a 17 year old who started last month for example.
@bahur47
@bahur47 Год назад
@@b4d69 at the begining there were alot of big names competing. But the latest seasons not so much.
@rosswiseman5991
@rosswiseman5991 10 месяцев назад
6:44 Only thing I'm gonna say is that the sword they were melting down (it's named Ice) is absurdly large in both the books and show. That's why they were able to get two swords out of it.
@delhoyoboy
@delhoyoboy Год назад
The critic made it very entertaining. Also can't help but have the deepest respect for a working skilled tradesmen like this.
@johncage5368
@johncage5368 Год назад
Easily one of the best "How Real Is It?" episodes due to the great detailed analysis. Now idea why so many movie makers don't just pay a professional advisor to get the basics right.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom Год назад
...because past experience shows that you first do all that and shoot it right, and then you decide it needs more visual pizazz to jazz it up, and gradually all that hard-won realism flies out the window. So next time you just go straight for the pizazz. I agree with you, though, but that's the reason why. In 19th century novels you get whole pages of descriptions... both authors and readers hated it, but both felt that's what the other side was expecting. I suspect it is much the same with the set imagery of contemporary movies.
@Okusar
@Okusar Год назад
They hire stunt choreographers and personal trainers to get the martial arts and fight scenes looking realistic. Firearms experts and police trainers to improve firearms handling. Hire scientists and astronomers to consult on getting the theoretical science accurate in the latest summer sci-fi blockbuster. Then they throw all of that good sense out the window when it comes to forging scenes. That and computer hacking scenes...
@JohnyG29
@JohnyG29 Год назад
They do hire professional advisors (so they can put that in the credits), but directors typically ignore them to achieve their own artistic "vision" of a scene, or some other bs reason.
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 Год назад
I think it's a mix of both. They hire experts (to claim that they did, rather than actually to listen to them), and add effects since they think the audience wants effects. Some do, some don't. _Armageddon_ is an example that managed to fall on both sides of the line. Very successful at the box office, but many would have stayed away if they had known how shallow the movie was going to be. The name of the trope is "viewers are morons" btw. "Rule of cool" applies, too. OTOH, _Gravity_ managed to hit the good side most of the time, while _The Core_ just sucked. Insert a "Boardroom suggestion" meme, where every expert gets thrown out eventually, and only the brownnosers remain.
@2ndFace666
@2ndFace666 Год назад
Yeah. Best example FMJ. R.Lee Ermey was hired as an advisor and ended up making the movie legendary.
@NeilTKamimura
@NeilTKamimura Год назад
Mahalo for having me on the show!
@dongquixote7138
@dongquixote7138 Год назад
Forge me a lightsaber please
@leyalaatasto9096
@leyalaatasto9096 Год назад
Yeah! I hope they bring you back, you're absolutely awesome!
@george5156
@george5156 Год назад
Sorry I couldn't give two likes
@george5156
@george5156 Год назад
One of the few times I regret being a industrial electrician as your magnificent blades are out my reach. Please come back to critique more movies!
@marcusaurelius4777
@marcusaurelius4777 Месяц назад
You're a wonderful guy who knows his stuff and is proud of his work! Your father raised a great son, remember that!
@respectedprophet6247
@respectedprophet6247 Год назад
As a welder the part about the throwing the glove off is so true. You can touch a hot piece of metal even for a split second with your glove you wont feel it for a second and then the heat immediately starts cooking your hand its such a weird feeling and catches you by surprise a lot
@Decipherization
@Decipherization 9 месяцев назад
Or getting a small piece of hot metal in your glove - happens to me all time in foundry work (pouring metal) - gloves go flying when that happens 😅
@corporalsavagery
@corporalsavagery 3 месяца назад
I ride motorcycles, can confirm hot metal through gloves cooking your hand. Accidentally put my hand on my tail pipe when I dumped it once. Have not made that mistake again. Damn thing ate through my glove in about 3 seconds.
@paragonflash8937
@paragonflash8937 Год назад
Bro i love him. I have a huge respect for blacksmiths. Hes brutal ruthless but professional. I absolutely love him
@winreacts6528
@winreacts6528 Год назад
For everyone who doesn't know Neil Kaminura, he is a Forged in Fire Champion (A show that consist of 4 bladesmiths competing against each other to create a blade).
@whyiseverysinglehandletaken2
I just realised lol the entire time I was like I have seen this guy somewhere
@jaded_gerManic
@jaded_gerManic Год назад
He's why I clicked the video! His work is impressive!
@Caninecancersucksrocks
@Caninecancersucksrocks Год назад
OMG! 🤦🏻‍♀️ THAT’S where I’ve seen him before! I was literally wracking my brain all the way through this, trying to figure out why & where I knew him from. Appreciate it & you’re right - his work is AMAZING!
@samsmith2635
@samsmith2635 Год назад
He seems like a solid guy, I never met him despite being on the show three times myself.
@echale3
@echale3 Год назад
There are some very talented guys on that show, but the way modern bladesmiths on that show go about creating a knife just kills me. Especially on the initial segment of the show (before they go to their home shop), 99% of them create what could only charitably be described as a somewhat knife-shaped object, then they grind away 2/3rds of the steel that's left to make it look like the knife they were going for. I've been forging 18th century edged weapon reproductions for about 30 years now, and back then, raw materials were hard to come by, so they forged very closely to the final shape, and didn't have to remove (waste) much to clean it up and make it look good. I try to show some respect for my raw materials by not wasting a shitload of it.
@gamerboy6787
@gamerboy6787 Год назад
It really is fascinating to speak to -- or listen to -- someone from a profession that I'm not familar with. You realize there is so much to that profession that outsiders simply can't see -- or appreciate. So much context and nuance. Thank you for this video. It was very interesting. And this gentleman's brutally honest criticisms were hilarious.
@mr.asparagus7630
@mr.asparagus7630 Год назад
Well said!
@FiveN9ne
@FiveN9ne Год назад
I've watched Forged in Fire, i'm practically one of you lol
@cass7448
@cass7448 Год назад
Absolutely. Even the most "unskilled" of work has little details and nuances you'd never think of without actually doing it yourself. That goes up by orders of magnitude when you're considering a profession that takes years of training minimum.
@imperialmarchinhumanbowels5726
It's the “Everything in the newspaper is accurate, except that one article about that one subject one happens to be an expert in, that's a joke written by someone who doesn't understand anything.”
@Vxlice
@Vxlice Год назад
I'm very disappointed they didn't show Balian from Kingdom of Heaven. That movie had very realistic blacksmithing technique and Orlando Bloom did a great job showcasing his abilities.
@mattcroshaw6915
@mattcroshaw6915 Год назад
I first became familiar with Neil Kamimura when I saw him compete on Forged In Fire. I was impressed with how well he forged his pieces. I then started following him on Instagram and was even more impressed with his blades. His craftsmanship is second to none. He’s definitely an expert in his field. It was a pleasure watching him critique how movies butcher his craft.
@patrickstewart3446
@patrickstewart3446 Год назад
I especially like how everyone seems to forge their swords at midnight… under an overcast sky… in a sealed cave. 😁
@whiteraven181
@whiteraven181 Год назад
To be fair, I wouldn't want to be in a sweltering shop near a forge when it was already sunny and hot outside.
@turnerosswald2787
@turnerosswald2787 Год назад
ayoooo
@KianGriffin
@KianGriffin Год назад
Oh I can give a reason for that one! :D It's easier to see the colour of the steel. Different temperatures give different colours. When I'm heat treating my knives I wait until it's darker out so it's easier to know I'm at the correct temperature.
@Utubesuperstar
@Utubesuperstar Год назад
@@KianGriffin also another fun fact cameras don’t show what the steel looks like irl when it’s hot it glows way brighter the camera just doesn’t pick it up
@ashleyneku5432
@ashleyneku5432 Год назад
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
@EpicNerdsWithCameras
@EpicNerdsWithCameras Год назад
The biggest takeaway for pretty much all of these scenes seems to be "it's not hot enough". Filmmakers definitely seem to underestimate just how much heat is required for the forging process, and by extension what that does to the color of the metal.
@SeganHealthHacker
@SeganHealthHacker Год назад
I think it's actually the danger involved in having a white hot metal near the multi million actor. But again, they could have just added the correct color digitally. Also an orange colored heated metal is hot enough to eff em up, obviously.
@banhmibo
@banhmibo Год назад
It's a filmaker's technical problem. "Hot enough" is bright white while filming in a dark room. What you get is overexposed, ultrahigh contrast shot where you can't see anything but the flame. Keeping the flames kitchen hot and orange is necessary to film anything at all.
@EpicNerdsWithCameras
@EpicNerdsWithCameras Год назад
@@banhmibo Then as another commenter said, why not add the color digitally? Most of these shots are already using VFX to begin with.
@selonianth
@selonianth Год назад
@@EpicNerdsWithCameras That introduces a fair amount of extra expense to do, particularly for something that will only *really* bother Blacksmithing nerds. Everyone else might go "I'm pretty sure that isn't hot enough." and get told "Bah, it's just a movie." (Actual thing I get told constantly when I go "... that's... not how that works...")
@antourte1
@antourte1 Год назад
also "Hollywood loooooves open faced molds"
@mariszarins3739
@mariszarins3739 Год назад
As someone that’s only just worked with welding and such, I admire how ruthless he is because it shows just how much respect metal needs and demands
@chevytech1965
@chevytech1965 Год назад
I loved watching this guy on forged in fire. Absolutely one of my favorite contestants to date.
@Steve_SF
@Steve_SF Год назад
I would have liked Neil analyze the orc bladesmiths, who were actual WETA blademakers who produced the swords for Lord Of The Rings
@moonwatcher99
@moonwatcher99 Год назад
Yeah, as a major LotR fan, I was kind of disappointed that they chose the Elven smithing scene. It's definitely the most 'fantasy' out of all the potential choices; you're meant to assume that there's some serious Elven magic going on. A better choice would have been the grittier scenes from Isenguard.
@kuroyuri04
@kuroyuri04 Год назад
@@moonwatcher99 agree~
@Steve_SF
@Steve_SF Год назад
@@moonwatcher99 If the elves had "magicked" Andúril together, that would have been fine. But hammering a bunch of pieces together was dubious
@mrkiky
@mrkiky Год назад
In the brief scenes in the caverns of Isengard where they're making the Urukhai cleavers , I would say there are a couple of improper quenches where the blade is not heated uniformly and not dunked completely in the quench medium. There's a shot where they hammer on a cold blade and a shot where they hammer way too hard on what looks to be a near finished blade, at which point you'd only be tapping it to make sure it's straight and the surfaces are nice and flat. And if I really wanna get nitpicky, there's a super short shot with an orc using a manual powered wheel to grind a blade that has no bevel, even though the forged blades seemed to already have forged bevels. Also it looks like they used some magnesium alloy to get really bright white sparks which are untypical of steel, especially at the speed of a manually powered grinding wheel. Plus there's a bunch of low temperature molten material being poured that can't be the same material as the swords because the swords are solid at the same color. The fact that the swords were designed and made by a certain prop making company has no bearing on how they show the weapons made in the film.
@Ideo7Z
@Ideo7Z Год назад
@@moonwatcher99 The elven magicks would've been acceptable but Peter Jackson made a conscious decision to mute most of the magical elements and keep things more grounded inadvertently making that forging scene not pass the suspensionof disbelief bar. I'm not a blacksmith but I've worked in welding and machine shops and I thought it was ridiculous.
@gearsofinspiration8528
@gearsofinspiration8528 Год назад
Personally I agree about Robert Downey Jr's hammer swing since its also evenly paced to not trying to wear himself out but not going stupidly slow either.
@Loliiten
@Loliiten Год назад
That was probably the best part of all the clips. Looks very close to what I was taught as a silversmith (granted I don't do much hammer & anvil work because my neighbours would kill me), trick is to have an ergonomic stance and find a "rythm" in your strokes to minimize effort and strain. His stance looks good, like you said an even pace but the amount of force he uses looks a lot more like silversmithing than steel to me.
@chasm9557
@chasm9557 Год назад
@@Loliiten Same thing when I worked construction. You used a 22oz framing hammer because it was the most efficient hammer size for the job. 2 swings on an 8d nail and 3 swings on a 16d nail.
@HiddenBrick22
@HiddenBrick22 Год назад
@@chasm9557 Meanwhile us finish carpenters use a 16oz and 8 taps so we don't bruise the little trimmies haha
@chasm9557
@chasm9557 Год назад
@@HiddenBrick22 I still used a 22oz when I would install moulding when we'd remodel kitchens, but I had one that was a smooth head as opposed to a waffle head and I would sand the face with a 100 grit piece of sandpaper a few swipes crossways to give it a bit of grip on the finish nail heads. If I needed to tap something in place, there was always a scrap piece of softwood I could use to protect the finish product and you just swing with your wrist and not with your arm. I was also used to swinging a 22oz all day long, so a 16oz would feel too short and light compared to what I was used to using.
@HiddenBrick22
@HiddenBrick22 Год назад
@@chasm9557 I use a 16oz for trim cause i've had multiple wrist injuries and it feels much better after 10 hours of swinging a hammer, when I have to hand nail trim I use a lot more wrist movement than elbow or shoulder. But when I frame I use a 20oz framer. Never been a fan of waffle heads though for any application, I get the purpose but just not for me.
@Jpizzle011
@Jpizzle011 Год назад
I love how this man called an anvil sexy 😂 More of him please
@AlphaSniperAcademy
@AlphaSniperAcademy Год назад
You have got to love Neil's honesty! He was my favourite when he appeared on Forged in Fire. A real professional. Jason Knight would have also pulverized these scenes
@estrobart6785
@estrobart6785 Год назад
Love this guy, looks like you could just sit down with him and listen to him ramble about how much he loves this stuff for hours! He looks so genuinely interested and invested in everything he does.
@DccAnh
@DccAnh Год назад
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ jesus is fake
@joeltagert
@joeltagert Год назад
This dude's hilarious. Need him and Jason Momoa in a buddy comedy.
@logank444
@logank444 Год назад
Totally bro
@barbmck28
@barbmck28 Год назад
That and his expertise are my favorite part!
@legitbeans9078
@legitbeans9078 Год назад
Wow that sounds god awful 🥺🍺
@francescodarcangeli4197
@francescodarcangeli4197 Год назад
Man, if they ever do that I'd preorder the bluray before even actually watching the movie! Momoa is too cool and this guy is amazing!
@elalesound
@elalesound Год назад
I'd watch it in a heart beat
@toofewtrueblue5818
@toofewtrueblue5818 Год назад
Would love to see him react to the forging scene in avatar the last airbender!
@lowlife1368
@lowlife1368 Год назад
Great episode
@beedoeschacha3463
@beedoeschacha3463 Год назад
I had this EXACT SAME THOUGHT
@heyiquit
@heyiquit Год назад
This guy is so rightfully fed up, and it's adorable. Get this guy on more movie sets!
@dennisandrade5844
@dennisandrade5844 Год назад
I remember this guy from Forged in Fire and wining the episode he was in , talking about how the show inspired him to become a bladesmith, seeing how he turned out to be, and him owning a successful business makes me happy. God bless you, Neil.
@noneck3099
@noneck3099 Год назад
i thought the business was established in 1932 from his grandfather....
@dennisandrade5844
@dennisandrade5844 Год назад
@@noneck3099 it was, but the show inspired him to continue the family tradition.
@CalvinBloopers
@CalvinBloopers Год назад
The amount of benefit of the doubt he’s giving people is so wholesome
@TheRiverweasel09
@TheRiverweasel09 Год назад
Except Rambo, cuz F*** Rambo!
@Vamilator7165
@Vamilator7165 10 месяцев назад
Kamimura you delightful man you. That was awsome, brutally honest and harsh, yet still tempered enough to get points across
@krystopherjohnson4548
@krystopherjohnson4548 Год назад
6:47 From what I remember in the books, the sword they melted down was described as having a 6 feet long blade (fairly large great sword) and they made it into a longsword and an arming sword sized for a teenager.
@antman4671
@antman4671 Год назад
It's actually magical steel as well...
@blastinc
@blastinc Год назад
This was by far the best episode from your series ever. The most honest person talks out of his soul. Respect for this blacksmith it was about time that an expert explains to Hollywood filmmakers what jackasses they are in some regards:)
@jerseyjoyride1316
@jerseyjoyride1316 Год назад
You should probably watch the Fireman Chronicles. He rips apart firefighting TV shows in a very funny way. Hope you enjoy it!
@nameunknown007
@nameunknown007 Год назад
I think they don't care. They want to show open top because molds are boring, can't see the hot metal glow
@NemisCassander
@NemisCassander Год назад
@@nameunknown007 Most likely true, and maybe not because boring, but it's instantly recognizable. I _would_ like to see a scene where they show a nice investment casting. (Actually, the forging of the Rings of Power in the LotR movies is pretty close.)
@kevinnorwood8782
@kevinnorwood8782 Год назад
Not only have you gotten a blacksmith and bladesmith to rate these scenes, Neil is also a Forged In Fire Champion!
@agusputraemassihombing6303
@agusputraemassihombing6303 Год назад
I knew it, i kinda recognize him from somewhere. Its the keel show
@jbrock2175
@jbrock2175 Год назад
2 time forged in fire winner
@xDjembex
@xDjembex Год назад
His family's professional blacksmith lineage is infinitely more impressive than winning that joke of a show.
@jbrock2175
@jbrock2175 Год назад
@@xDjembexhes an amazing person with alot of talent, but I don't understand why you're crapping on the show.
@xDjembex
@xDjembex Год назад
@@jbrock2175 because it's not a worthy metric and the theatrics of the show detract from any semblance of legitimacy the contest may have.
@theloaa
@theloaa 10 месяцев назад
We love this professional’s take and honesty on each movie! LoAA means telling the story as truthfully as possible!
@urbanapache2
@urbanapache2 Год назад
I actually found this dude totally charismatic and easy going! Love to see more.
@TheRealRCSparks
@TheRealRCSparks Год назад
This was thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you ! What a cool guy
@TheRoomba.
@TheRoomba. Год назад
Hello ☑
@konstellashon1364
@konstellashon1364 Год назад
So glad he said a little on the difference between forging and casting. And that the sci-fi/fantasy metals don't need to be that realistic.
@jaywu4804
@jaywu4804 Год назад
the elvish hammer-swing technique 😂
@kom2876
@kom2876 Год назад
yea i agree on that part. those are fantasy sci-fi/fantasy film which is why he didnt give 3/10 to all of them because he knows they don't need be really accurate. but they were too lazy to even do research on it lol
@Octaslash08
@Octaslash08 Год назад
Yeah the forging scene from LOTR have more one can get away with. The real life version of Anduril that BKS forged looked pretty damn cool though.
@user__214
@user__214 Год назад
He didn't mention this, but cast steel also doesn't have the properties you want in a weapon. Historically, you *couldn't* cast steel. Heating your iron that much would cause it to absorb way too much carbon, and the resulting metal would be (unsurprisingly) cast iron, not steel. In modern times, you can cast steel, but the resulting microstructure is not good for a weapon. Forging gets you a weapon that is tougher and more durable.
@commiedeer
@commiedeer Год назад
"And that the sci-fi/fantasy metals don't need to be that realistic." You clearly do not write fantasy or science fiction. One of the things that gets stressed repeatedly and old writers state constantly to new writers is "learn how a process is supposed to happen without magic or stupidly advanced technology, it will help you make things MORE fantastical."
@sleepydumbdude
@sleepydumbdude Год назад
This is my favorite one yet. I was cracking up all through this. Let’s find this man some more forging scenes to critique 😂
@foxyjambread3826
@foxyjambread3826 10 месяцев назад
This has just made me that much more excited to learn blacksmithing.
@BattyMack
@BattyMack Год назад
Smithing is such a dying art, and it's awesome to see a master being critical and telling it as it is. As a boilermaker I always admired blacksmithing. Such a talent!
@wheelinshirt
@wheelinshirt Год назад
@Rukodiora decorative blacksmithing never exactly died but it was awfully close. It's increasingly popular nowadays though still very niche. Bladesmithing has always been around and is definitely waxing in popularity.
@troylazarus4102
@troylazarus4102 Год назад
The funny think about the Lord of the Rings is they actually had professional blacksmiths forging all those weapons. The prop shop made replicas of them all for various types of filming shots but...there were hero blades created by actual smiths.
@MartinDickson
@MartinDickson Год назад
Not only that, but the first time we "fly-through" under Isengard and see weapons being forged for the Uruks, those were set armourers in orc make-up, as it was safer to get people who knew what they there doing to be around hot metal than to have extras or stunt performers do it. (Doesn't explain the reforging of Narsil scene though.) :)
@aikidodude05
@aikidodude05 Год назад
@@MartinDickson because white hot metal does not look good in movie mood lighting btw the critic has done that same trick on his channel banging on a blade way to cold to actually be hammering away at because it look better than white hot.
@Native_Creation
@Native_Creation Год назад
yeah but those blacksmiths probably weren't involved on the filmmaking side, probably just for the props (and as extras). And there's a lot of creative liberty done to "get a shot".
@aikidodude05
@aikidodude05 Год назад
@@Native_Creation to be fair though when you have actors and dangerous props risk assement tends to get involved and say nooo you cant do that.
@Ren-lx8wv
@Ren-lx8wv Год назад
@@aikidodude05 umm the metal should be orange when hammering at it especially in the shaping process. It only needs to bee white-hot when forge welding .
@marlonmayorga6793
@marlonmayorga6793 Год назад
Kamimura ganó el reto de "forged un fire". Hizo un trabajo impecable. Es evidente que siente un gran respeto por su arte, y creo que hizo que todos sintieramos lo mismo
@Penlager
@Penlager Месяц назад
I dig Neil's matter of fact way of reacting to these clips.
@BrettMorin
@BrettMorin Год назад
I like how he ends with: "They may actually make a good one". I hope so too. I remember watching a video of making a katana for real and there was so much more than I ever thought went into it.
@robertmickelberg3720
@robertmickelberg3720 Год назад
Well accuracy is sacrificed for cinematography. The idea is to show just enough that he audience gets the idea but no more.
@antourte1
@antourte1 Год назад
The best forging scene is Kill Bill, where the master swordsmith disappears for a month then comes back with the finished piece, having completed his work off screen :)
@robertmickelberg3720
@robertmickelberg3720 Год назад
@@antourte1 I would not include scenes that were never filmed as "best" scenes.
@antourte1
@antourte1 Год назад
@@robertmickelberg3720 I apologize my obviously light hearted suggestion failed your very literal standard for a hypothetical internet list.
@grahamwillis585
@grahamwillis585 Год назад
Yeah he is 100% on all these and yes making a katana in traditional way takes a age from initial bloom steel all the way through the breaking and sorting of the steel tiles to the final polishing and testing of the sword. For one person it is truly a masterful art. Now we have many grades of steel made it a little easier as alot of people use one homogenous metal instead of creating a traditional jacket of hi and low carbon steel which creates a hard resilient edge and still allows the sword to flex and release pressure on the blade. Many nuances in sword making.
@georgem7965
@georgem7965 Год назад
My favorite "bad" forging movie is "Dragonslayer" (1981) where the hero, after having had a special spear forged for him chops off the smith's anvil's horn (cold!) as a test. What a great way to thank the craftsman who has just produced a very special weapon for you!
@zachdalmaso2131
@zachdalmaso2131 Год назад
Vandalizing their workshop is the most proper way to thank a craftsman for his time and effort and talent. That's what I've always been told, anyways.
@bobsurname6344
@bobsurname6344 Год назад
With a title like Dragonslayer I suspect the creators of the film were inspired by the legends of Siegfried (or Sigurd) the Dragonslayer in which the dwarven smith Regin is tasked with forging the hero a mighty sword with which he will slay the dragon Fafnir. Sigurd tests two swords against the smith's anvil and both break. Regin then reforges Gram (or Balmung) the sword of Siegfried's father (broken by Odin) which passes the test.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Год назад
Lol sounds like how my ex played video games: Ex: “Thanks!” Ex: 😧
@dracothewarrior4316
@dracothewarrior4316 Год назад
I don't think anything can chop off an anvil's horn in one swing without shattering
@maxlutz3674
@maxlutz3674 Год назад
@@bobsurname6344 You have a point there. There is also the saga of Wieland. He tests his sword Mimung against his anvil and splits the anvil. Also Mimung splits a man in armour with a light touch. Some of those sagas and movies inspired by them may have taken a few artistic liberties and sacrifized historical accuracy.
@CBlargh
@CBlargh 2 месяца назад
10:03 That is very cool. Literally. The clay keeps the back cooler, so the sword bends. I had no idea, but it makes perfect sense.
@patriotfreelance
@patriotfreelance Месяц назад
Neil is great at what he does. He has helped me with questions and been a major influence on my craft! Keep hammering brother!!
@antalbojtos4413
@antalbojtos4413 Год назад
Small detail to redeem LoTR about not using all the pieces - that sword initially was large af because the people who lived at the time were much taller, so for a shorter guy it would make sense to forge a shorter sword.
@kd5nrh
@kd5nrh Год назад
Also, they're elves, so everything they do is magic. The heating and hammer swinging was just part of the ritual.
@genseven4616
@genseven4616 Год назад
@@kd5nrh was going to say this. Only elves could do it because only elves had the magic to do it.
@wildfire160
@wildfire160 Год назад
Also the GOT sword isn't really steel so maybe Valyrian steel works different to ordinary steel...he also had an issue with them making two swords from the one blade but i don't think he realise that the original sword was a Greatsword that was turned into two Longswords
@SquallLionhart409
@SquallLionhart409 Год назад
Further, the original wielder back in the times when people were taller... was Elendil The Tall. He was actually know as The Tall. Dude was like 8 feet tall. (2.4ish meters for those using the more sensible measure of distance.) Aragorn is still quite tall at 6.6 feet, or just under 2 meters, so I'm still not sure how much length you want to lose on that blade.
@George-sv1fm
@George-sv1fm Год назад
@@SquallLionhart409 You need to go on a mountain somewhere, and live three months in a desolate cabin with only J.R.R. Tolkien books and movies and George R.R. Martin books and movies for entertainment. To quote my fav eco-warrior,,How dare you??!!''
@adamironbender5120
@adamironbender5120 Год назад
I have followed Neil for years on other social media and its good to see Insider finally let the experts go both barrels on these hollywood movies. Well done, more of this!
@jeffberg9522
@jeffberg9522 Год назад
I think this is one of the best, most honest, reviews. I hope they bring him back.
@vetheros
@vetheros 5 месяцев назад
The vapor jacket talked about during the Conan part was something I didn't think about, but makes so much sense. Cool bit of information to learn.
@Dan-uj4ii
@Dan-uj4ii Год назад
I watch tons of these and this is one of the very best. Neil Kamimura - way to drop tons of knowledge. Those of us interested in blacksmithing have lots to learn from you. I know an expert when I hear one, and you know exactly what you're talking about. Thank you!
@maxlutz3674
@maxlutz3674 Год назад
IIRC Neil successfully competed in "Forged in Fire". He does not only have the knowledge, he has the skills too.
@rickatyahoo
@rickatyahoo Год назад
As a bladesmith, Neil has been one of the most potent influences and inspirations in my path
@maxnguyen9966
@maxnguyen9966 9 месяцев назад
Neil is just way too nice and polite about the rating, such a big hearted guy
@shawnhorley7494
@shawnhorley7494 9 месяцев назад
Great analysis by Smith Kamimura. He is wonderfully honest in his descriptions of what is lacking in each of these scenes. I was very happy to see the classic sword forging sceene from Conan the Barbarian included, as that scene where the blade is cast always annoyed me. This video has given me a new Smith to watch on RU-vid, and I love those kind of gifts. I give this video a 9/10. (lost a point for not having more content ;) )
@darth_dan8886
@darth_dan8886 Год назад
I'm surprised that noone in the filmmaking industry just went: OK, we're doing a forging scene, let's invite a blacksmith for a couple hours to show us how it's done. They just go "OK, everyone knows what forging is, just hit hot metal with a hammer, then put in cold water"
@noxteryn
@noxteryn Год назад
Why spend money when you can keep money?
@LightHawKnight
@LightHawKnight Год назад
Why waste money when the common viewer will probably never realize?
@darth_dan8886
@darth_dan8886 Год назад
@@LightHawKnight There's something instinctually engrained in humans about the "correct" way the world works. Like why we see a difference between a well choreographed fight scene that had body mechanics in mind, and the one that isn't. Why John Wick's action looks solid and the gunfight in the first Matrix movie (you know the one, where they're running up walls as if it was a dream sequence) looks impossible. And why a guy smacking a metal bar in the middle with a ball peen hammer doesn't look right either.
@Slazlo-Brovnik
@Slazlo-Brovnik Год назад
And let's use just some hammer. Hey David, go get some hammer from home depot.
@colossalbreacker
@colossalbreacker Год назад
@@darth_dan8886 A lot of John wick fight scenes look like they are trying not to kill each other to me. The matrix I give a bit of a pass because it is supposed to be supernatural.
@endlessjerry2202
@endlessjerry2202 Год назад
That was informative and fun! Can we get more from him?
@angelarch5352
@angelarch5352 Год назад
Agreed! Was great and funny toi hear him call out all the bs haha!
@ryanelliott4538
@ryanelliott4538 11 месяцев назад
Me: Wow that looks so realistic. Him: That looks so unrealistic. Me: That looks so unrealistic.
@LyricalAquarine
@LyricalAquarine Месяц назад
This is one of my fave in this series! This is hella informative!
@originalkangarootoo
@originalkangarootoo Год назад
I love the derision at the Rambo scene, because he's right - a movie with a big star and budget could at least spend comparatively pennies to get someone on set that can point out the most basic error. Like one day of someone's time is enough to make somethin terrible passable. Not to get all high and mighty, but it shows a lack of respect for the reality of what is supposed to be happening in the scene. Just spend the $1000 to get someone qualified on set for a day to advise.
@festivebear9946
@festivebear9946 Год назад
That would be from the movie's budget and you think they'll want to spend that money when people are watching it for the action and killing and gore instead of the smithing realism?
@timothymoore7890
@timothymoore7890 Год назад
I think most smiths would be so proud to have a famous action star in their workshop for a day or two that it could be done for an autograph and a picture together
@josephherrera6656
@josephherrera6656 Год назад
@@festivebear9946 first Rambo has a budget in the millions. A thousand bucks is like me giving you a dollar. And finally anyone of these producers could have gone to a professional smith and ask them to be on set for a day or two for a big movie like Iron Man or Rambo. For pay the smith would more then likely settle for a good dinner with a autograph and picture. The fact that the movie wanted their expertise and was willing to show their craft in a big movie being done the right way is probably worth more to them.
@festivebear9946
@festivebear9946 Год назад
@@josephherrera6656 I'm saying that nobody in the target demographic would've cared if the smithing was realistic or not. So why waste a day or two on doing that? I understand that it's not a lot in comparison to the overall resources of the movie, but they had no reasons to care about it and thus, didn't. In hindsight, 20-30 years after the rambo movies were made, maybe it would've been cool to have it accurately. Since we pay much more attention to detail. But back then, nobody is watching it for the minute details, everyone's watching it for the big explosions and guns and gore.
@festivebear9946
@festivebear9946 Год назад
@@timothymoore7890 Yeah probably. But literally who cares? The movies were made 20-30 years ago when the general demographic of these movies only wanted to watch some action and explosions. Nobody was watching it for the realistic smithing scenes. So spending 1-2 days on something like this is just a plain waste.
@SaadNabil
@SaadNabil Год назад
0:30 Iron Man Forging his suit satisfied me!
@puppy969
@puppy969 Год назад
Neil is absolutely awesome. I love the concise & hilarious way he explains the flaws in each movie scene. He is very informative & funny.
@vegathevictor
@vegathevictor Год назад
The Hunted knife making scene is badass
@thebundok
@thebundok Год назад
This guy was, by far, my favourite guest you've ever had on this channel. What a riot! 😂
@jalacqua9322
@jalacqua9322 Год назад
This may be my favorite one of these. I love how he just says "No. That's crap." and then explains why it's crap!
@MARYWTHER
@MARYWTHER 9 месяцев назад
I can't believe I never saw this video! I love Neil Kamimura and his work is awesome! (as awesome as his hair) Discovered him because Jason Momoa keeps advertizing him, and he actually did Jason's weapons for several movies/tv shows, which I find so awesome. That Katana on See was just pure gorgeousness.
@dylanw1691
@dylanw1691 Год назад
9:47 such a beautiful blade, he instantly wins all my trust with that piece of art.
@hollowpeace2005
@hollowpeace2005 Год назад
15:07 Nike sword
@Sporkmaker5150
@Sporkmaker5150 Год назад
Well, the snow-quenched Conan sword did shatter in combat later on in the movie so it ended up being pretty accurate.
@fcasias7
@fcasias7 Год назад
If I recall correctly he was making a weapon using the best he had, so it wasn't like it was supposed to be high quality materials. But then again, it's been a long time since I've seen it.
@aarontuplin
@aarontuplin Год назад
That critique always bothered me I've watched so many of these types of breakdowns and they never mention the fact that the sword does indeed break when struck by the Atlantean Sword. I wonder if it was intended to be ceremonial
@92Pyromaniac
@92Pyromaniac Год назад
Bit nitpicky but if it failed to quench properly what you would get would be a blade that hadn't hardened rather than one with microfractures/ too brittle, etc. It would basically just bend like a banana when used.
@datmeme8967
@datmeme8967 Год назад
@@92Pyromaniac Bananas don't bend.
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 Год назад
haha
@ryancummings5295
@ryancummings5295 Год назад
Love this guy!! His knowledge of his craft is vast; and based on his comments you can be assured he gives his own work strict attention to detail
@LJP120
@LJP120 Год назад
This is the same feel I get when I judge zombie movies as a microbiologist 🤣🤣🤣
@aquawolfx8715
@aquawolfx8715 Год назад
It’s always a delight to see a master craftsmen discussing their trade and giving feedback on the realities of film making. Movies and their like have some suspension issues disbelief, but there’s just something special about capturing the reality of a given craft while representing it in media. When it’s done right, and looks cool, that is the victory we want to see
@Bad_Wolf_Media
@Bad_Wolf_Media Год назад
I have no experience forging anything, and I'm not challenging any of those aspects. But as a photographer, I can said that everything Mr. Kamimura says about the colour of the hot metal is correct, but that's where reality has to give way to creative license. When shooting photos or footage, they can't have the steel (or anything else) be properly hot, because it would completely blow out the scene. That's a creative choice, and it has to be made to put the art over the authenticity. I've worked with directors that make those choices, and the ones I've worked with don't take it lightly. That said, anyone that watches a movie or TV show and thinks they have the knowledge needed to tell an expert in ANY field how to do their job because they saw it on "CSI: Boise" or whatever is just delusional.
@armageddontools
@armageddontools Год назад
Hot steel is actually darker in natural light to human eye than on camera in a same natural light. Camera captures color better when it comes to hot steel. Thats why blacksmiths usually darken the room when its time to do quenching . To see color of the steel better.
@deathgodgaming7982
@deathgodgaming7982 Год назад
P 3
@williamberne
@williamberne Год назад
Have you heard of CGI or photoshop? Can't you make the steel brighter with after effect?
@jasonsinn9237
@jasonsinn9237 Год назад
@@williamberne thats what I was about to say too. Overall though I think red is just the chosen color because it's more eye catching and we associate it with many hot things in our daily lives (red on the faucet, red fire trucks, red chili peppers, etc.)
@dovos8572
@dovos8572 Год назад
it is perfectly possible to film hot steel without having the footage blown out with the light. just look at youtube blacksmiths like "the Works" and you can see beautiful properly hot steel shots while forging and being able to see everything they do. no CGI or camera tricks needed to do it. just the right settings and knowledge on how bright the surroundings have to be compared to the hot steel.
@Styleskrs
@Styleskrs Год назад
My man's dedication is over the top!
@imasspeons
@imasspeons 9 месяцев назад
This guy is incredibly entertaining to listen to
@HristoKolevMayvena
@HristoKolevMayvena Год назад
Just a note on the GoT segment - the initial sword that got melted was HUGE. It was described as such in the books and it was shown as an impractically large one in the show. So that's why its metal was enough for two normal swords. All the other issues with the casting can be attributed to the material itself - it's some magical "valyrian" steel, so it might be like bronze - not benefitting from being hammered, which would make it more pactical to be cast into shape.
@thibautisserant
@thibautisserant Год назад
I agree with you, though as magical as Valyrian steel is supposed to be, the book mentions there's barely anyone who can forge it anymore, meaning the material requires a very specific know-how and would be less practical to forge than regular steel. Btw, on the swords size, Ice (the name of the first sword) was indeed gigantic AND the sword later gifted to Joffrey was made smaller than normal to fit him.
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 Год назад
They didn't really do the magical swords Justice. Valerian steel is supposed to be indestructible and cut through other materials easily like through swords.
@thibautisserant
@thibautisserant Год назад
@@serronserron1320 I think they also mention Valyrian steel sword make a distinctive sound when they're drawn.
@thisguy5017
@thisguy5017 Год назад
I was just looking through the comments to see if anyone else mentioned this. Even that episode of the show mentioned that they had reworked two swords from the original one, because it was ridiculously large. The rest of his review on how the metal was recast is spot on, though.
@DenizenCain
@DenizenCain Год назад
I guess the other thing is that Ice was not used in battle, so it may not have been built to take punishment. That said, the scene fails on the fact that they cast the swords, rather than forged them.
@foxye50
@foxye50 Год назад
This guy and 'Dig a Ditch Guy' (if you know you know) are the best, keep 'em coming back!
@ccptube3468
@ccptube3468 Год назад
The Ditch Guy is the Best!
@florencebaendes2853
@florencebaendes2853 Год назад
Haha I was thinking the same. You spoke my mind lmao
@epyon1983
@epyon1983 Год назад
We know
@epyon1983
@epyon1983 Год назад
We know
@davidribeiro1064
@davidribeiro1064 Год назад
Rocks are awesome.
@Jakoshdw
@Jakoshdw Год назад
Loved how real this gentleman is with his knowledge. A Katana was just a "sword"... literally the Japanese translation. You had "mass produced" Katanas to arm armies... and Master crafted pieces for famous figures in the Japanese feudal hiarchy. Just as you had the same in the "Western" feudal system. The Kings and Lord's had the money and could afford to have the best equipment. The technique used to forge a Katana was figured out through necessity as the Japanese had very poor quality ore to work with. They figured out that they could fold the steel over and over again to squeeze out impurities in the steel and then as he said... put clay along the spine to keep it soft to absorb shock. The whole "not touching the blade" thing probably came much later as Customs became more sacred and canonical. Smiths would forge blades specifically for temple offerings and I'm sure certain rites were observed to ensure the "purity" of the blade. Over time this all added to the Mythology of the Katana... much like the Mythologies of King Arthur gave rise to Excalibur.
@Phoebus20
@Phoebus20 Год назад
OF COURSE he's friends with Jason Mamoa lol
@Cyanoblades
@Cyanoblades Год назад
Who isn't?
@charlesparr1611
@charlesparr1611 Год назад
As someone with just enough smithing experience to understand what My Kamimura is talking about, I can tell you those wincing pained expressions you see are sincere. For some reason, film never gets this right, and they Don't. Even. Try. Its got to suck, seeing the art you devoted your life to being treated as nothing but a way to put a little bit of pyro into an obligatory origin segment t of a boring adventure movie. Sort of like the way a real Aikido kai feels at any mention of Stephen Seagal.
@brianm744
@brianm744 Год назад
Hollywood producers and directors are all about THEIR art, not about an actual master craftsman's art and craft. Those directors and producers are so disconnected from reality that in THEIR minds, their concepts ARE reality. And, you have the HUGE disconnect between a mastersmith's work and what we see in the movies. Blacksmithing is incredibly boring and too repetitive for those directors and producers. So, they have use "creative license" to make blacksmithing LOOK good, exciting, and INTERESTING to their audience. And so, we have the huge amount of lies and deception in movies. If they're trying to portray accuracy in blacksmithing, then they ARE lies. Pure and simple. And that's why Master Neil totally trashes almost all of these blacksmithing scenes. NONE of them received a 10/10. None even got close. Notice Master Neil NEVER touched the edge of his blade HE had forged there? Why? He would sliced his finger open to the BONE. That's how sharp his blades are. And, that's the level of respect he has for his steel. THAT'S the true "Riddle of Steel" that you read about in Ron Howard's Conan novels.
@zacnoel2926
@zacnoel2926 Год назад
If Kurosawa was still alive he would stick it...
@maxpower9175
@maxpower9175 Год назад
Nice, you worked a Seagal into it 😂
@Mahbu
@Mahbu Год назад
Film rarely gets anything accurate. Ask military guys about uniforms and they will hold nothing back. Or ask historians about. . anything relating to history in films. . and. . well. . The reality is "rule of cool" is imperative. And what plebs think looks cool is often a travesty.
@kuroyuri04
@kuroyuri04 Год назад
@@Mahbu yeah, yeah... And they blurring a line between baroque, rococo, victorian or tudor era's clothes just for entertaining themselves. 🙃🙃🙃
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim Год назад
10:00 casually whips out my katana to demonstrate 😂
@tandersb
@tandersb Год назад
Only note on the GoT scene: Ice was a massive Valyrian steel sword. It was noted that it was so large it was a waste of Valyrian steel, so when Tywin Lannister melted it down he turned it into two swords.
@914Rocky
@914Rocky Год назад
Excellent analysis and very entertaining
@topsuperseven7910
@topsuperseven7910 Год назад
lol at 4:00 "he didn't make anything but a pancake at the end of a leaf-spring" is not my favorite line of the day lol
@housesg5981
@housesg5981 Год назад
7:12 Its a space hammer. Magic.
@DmitriyAdv
@DmitriyAdv Год назад
This is my favorite one of these so far. He's brutal, love it
@KTCC13
@KTCC13 Год назад
I’m from Hawaii and I never knew there was a blacksmith on the other side of the island. Definitely gonna look into him and support a local!
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