I learned from Fred we were both young back in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Funny how through all the equipment and lane changes the principles were for all old time one handers. New techniques with two hands and different releases are growing in popularity today.
This makes total sense. Every other video you watch on RU-vid about ball speed says to make your approach longer, that it's your FEET that control ball speed. I've never bought what they're selling though. You'd have to speed up your approach which screws up your mechanics. It does mine, anyway. So what he's saying here makes WAAAAAAAY more logical sense. It's sad there's so much bad info online. Thank you, Fred.
The advice is excellent. He is not telling you how to control arm speed but rather when to speed it up or slow it down....thereby having more or less wrist/hand action. It is absolutely true. I didn't think about it until I saw the video. And it works. To increase ball speed raise the ball at push away, conversely lowering the ball to start your push away will decrease the speed due to a lower back swing.
I've been getting a lot better at bowling and this is great information. Some lanes I've found my hook is breaking to early and I know it's because I got used to playing on a slicker lane. I hope to apply this info. Bowling is a great sport.
That explains what the commentators were talking about on the PBA Cheetah pattern championship this year. Hard and fast down the right side due to the reduced oil on the outside. The speed is increased to decrease the hook! Makes perfect sense now.
One of the nicest guys ya could ever meet, took time and wrote down on paper the proper way to throw a hook and how to pick up the 10 pin which is pretty hard for a right hander who throws a decent hook signed it and everything plus i still think he owns stonehedge bowling alley a great place to bowl i mite add, plus hes a legend in the game knows his stuff no doubt !!
I highly recommend, if any local centers have it, to join the USBC pba experience league. Challenging lane conditions force you apply what you learn from these videos. You can only get better.
I literally would fall asleep to Fred Borden's "Going for the Gold" DVD as a kid. It's interesting how applicable the fundamentals being taught are to todays game. One thing he didn't mention that I bet he would have elaborated on in a longer segment would have been the starting hand position and it's relation to timing/ball speed.
Video helped alot, i put alot of speed on my ball and get little hook, now i've slowed down and its almost perfect. Now i have to work on my sport shots.
This stuff is quite helpful. At least now I understand what I'm supposed to do. I'm learning. I really love the sport. The only problem is it's expensive to practice, just like golf. But it's nice having the basics. Now I just have to apply them and see what happens. Tonight, in my league, I bowled a 160 in the first game (128 is my average) but then the last two games I bowled around my average. I was disappointed, but I was very close to bowling around 160 all three games.
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Not only does he give great detail on hooking he also explains the game of hot potato! 10/10
Raptor talon is the way forward and it is amazing with reaction worth every penny but I had the problem of dry lanes and i have overcome that now thanks
A lot of hand (turn) and a good ball roll (where the core weight of the ball in put in motion and not just the cover stock rotated or twisted in the rear) will give your ball less traction on the dry first 45 feet without the need to increase the thrust at the expense of the hand. The angle of attack into the pocket is key towards carrying a strike, something a good strong hand roll will deliver. Too much thrust and less good hand roll isn't good as it will cause the ball to glance off of the 1-3 pocket and not fully penetrate and engage the 5 pin.
@gamemeister27 However, this only works when there is oil on the lanes. If your on a surface with very little oil, the ball will instead of slide, which it is meant to do with increasing speed, the ball will generate friction creating more heat and more reaction. It all depends on the oil pattern and how much of it there is.
i actually have the opposite problem. my feet control the speed of everything. walk slow bowl slow. wakl fast bowl fast. but this still applies and has helped me
At first I clicked different parts of this video waiting for a demonstration and was a bit disappointed. Then I went back and listened to him and even wrote down what he was saying (a little cheat sheet). Very helpful. However, I still think that a demonstration would have been awesome. Regarding my cheat sheet. I have watched a lot of bowling tutorial videos online but find that when I actually go bowling, I quickly slip back into old habits and forget little useful tidbits of information. So writing down various helpful hints is very useful. Keep it with you and review before bowling or when you're having a bit of a slump.
@semperfibarnes He wasn't talking about specific shots. He was talking about how to actually get the ball to hook more/less, no matter where you stand and where you aim. The whole point was about paying attention to your release/motion.
@blacklabador I do believe they played the outside line of the oil in the middle, so if they missed somewhat right it would read that friction earlier.
I’m new to rolling a hook and had to figure this out for myself. Wish I saw this when I was starting. Alternatively, though, isn’t this why a lot of players carry a variety of balls? So they can swing the same and depend upon the cover characteristics to make up the difference as opposed to physical skill? Not putting those people down just saying is this the difference? Cutting down on the variables of physical application of speed and spin and using a more consistent swing with a different cover technology.
Some leagues establish average using the FIRST week of bowling as your starting average for the first 3 weeks. They usually leave the lanes dry....causing most bowlers to bowl above their real average. Then the next week they'll oil the lanes properly and most people bowl below their average.
Got to admit, I'd gladly take lessons from Fred. He seems to know his stuff. If you can't understand what he's saying, review it until you do or ask someone who can chuck the rock better than you. It makes sense.
He makes perfect sense: In a nutshell: On oily lanes throw the ball slower, but use more wrist/finger lift. On dry lanes: Throw the ball faster, but less finger lift/wrist rotation. It DOES work!!! It ain't rocket science! My average: 180
This was very helpful thanks! I recently changed from 1 hand to 2 hand style but I still revert to 1 hand quite often depending on the lane or pin situation. I put up a training session video on my channel, any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
To (over)simplify what he is talking about, think about it this way: Swing = Ball speed Hand = Revolution rate Just like in golf when you are putting. The faster the ball is, the less it will curve (responds less to the lie), and the slower the ball is, the more it will curve (responds more to the lie). The hardest part about bowling is that the oil is constantly changing and you cannot see the oil (in golf you can at least see the lie). You can throw a great shot and still only get 9.
I can control my hook by changing power but that means, i must change the ball. When the floor is not dry enough and i get less hook, i change my ball to the heavier, but if i just throw the same ball slower so then it has the right target but not enough power. So if you need to throw slower, why not to use a heavier ball ?
@deadlyvirus89 I have the same ball n began 2 finger style 8 months ago., Id control it majority of the time 2 throwing in same location, im guessing you're a lefty because i leave 7 pins to. Honestly with 7 or 10 pins it means u hit the pocket well, but depending on angle you hit it, you just had a bad break. Nothing 2 do to avoid that. if u want 2 learn 2 pick up your 7 pin,take a light house ball and throw it fast b4 it can hook. learn fingertip tho. it works. it helps w practice, I KNOW.
this is a very nice video. i am a bowler and i have just started back and i am trying to get back in to it. i have some videos up so i would like any advice that anyone can give. jesse duncan bowling. just type that and let me know... thank you
you know, ive been told houseballs, and plastic balls dont curve or spin very easily. so i started to think to myself. am i sort of a god, because i can but a good amount of spin on houseballs, i can actualy get a descent score around 200-220 with them. is buying a ball that is made to curve worth it if a i can make a ball not made to curve, curve perfectly fine?
i understand that but last time i played 2 days ago . i loved my hook but would it be better if i buy a new ball, well i made an reservation for tropical breeze and i will get it this weekend but i want to know if it would hook better than the house ball.. im a bigginer i just play for fun and hooking the ball is way more fun to me than straight ball, should i buy the tropical breeze or no ? please answer asap
Holy shit... I know almost nothing about bowling but i've been enjoying it as a hobby lately and i almost clicked away from this video just due to overall look... and boy im glad i didn't i just learned so much fucking information from such a short video i'm shocked... I feel i know exactly what to do now LOL if only i could actually aim the ball now... hmmm. Also, i don't know how to use "hand" action i can't get a good spin
+PriestKikyo You can use the "Cupped" or "Cocked" release. when you have it cupped, you open the hand up at the bottom of the swing to make the hook. The cocked release is when you have the hand off to the side then open your hand up at the bottom of the swing. It takes alot of practice. It could get more complex but it is to hard to explain in words like this. Also, It takes some amount of strength to get the hook that the pros do. If you need some help you can also search up "Cupped and Cocked Releases in Bowling". Maybe you will find some videos there to help you get the hook that some of the pros do.
I got that Columbia 300 Freeze ball and when I throw it (two finger style) it curves mad heavy and then I end up only hitting the7 pin. Any advice? Non-oiled lanes & oiled lanes please.
@cameron99wizkhalifa don't try to curve it stay that yeah until you get a custom ball meant for spin why? i don't know much soo haha you don't need to listen to me but i straight bowled my average was 150 i wanted to start spinning it my average dropped to 100 and now i can't straight bowl like i use to
too bad you don't show what you actually do on oily/dry lanes and stuff, I would wanna see you do it, would be more educational. Good video though! 5/5
