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Converting an ADA Super Jet 600 Canister filter into a Nitrate reducing Anoxic Filter. 

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Converting an ADA Super Jet 600 Canister filter into a Nitrate reducing Anoxic Filter.
Biophysical rules for this kind of filtration system are different from that of filtration systems most hobbyists associate with ponding. The Anoxic Filtration Systems biocenosis clarification baskets stay open to biochemical mediators and do not clog or go anaerobic in the clarification process: Because of the diversity of clay materials type used (cat litter and Laterite) and the substrate particulate size or their depth. The microbial population will always stay in equilibrium with its supply of foodstuffs. However, this is somewhat misleading, because in a closed system like our ponds, it is the overall efficiency of the baskets themselves, in relationship to the systems incoming foodstuffs that really matters. Nitrogen pathways react differently to elevated or very low levels of nitrates in bulk water. If the microbial mediators are in equilibrium, they respond respectably to either of those conditions. Yet, excesses will occur for an unknown reason! There may be a lack or balance of useful microbial mediators consequently short-circuiting the microbial balancing act!
How all this applies to the biocenosis clarification baskets would depend upon the volume and compensation of incoming nutrients and the health, condition, and type of substrate used. Because of this, the baskets stay anoxic than going anaerobic where a greater volume of more efficient microbes exists and thus would be able to respond expeditiously to an excessive nutrient flux in the pond.
The Anoxic Filtration System does have a remarkable difference from that of other filtration systems, because of the value of the electrical charge that accompanies matter in the depth of its substrate. This electrical charge is measured in millivolts (mV). Even though the mechanism and pathways associated with cat litter mixed with Laterite are quite involved, it could generally be said that the baskets themselves are basically chemolithotrophic, where the diffusion of nutrients through them are influenced by electrical charge. Moreover, those positive charges are attracted to negative charges. Accordingly, the water’s surface and the air above the pond is a negative mV. In the bulk water of the pond there are many charged molecules. Much of it is positive mV. So is most of the living biomass, example: The fish, gastropods, and plants. The substrate surfaces, which are the sides of the baskets, inside and including top and bottom, are largely a negative mV. The cat litter itself with the Laterite is negatively charge, with increasing magnitude with depth. The deeper the cat litter and Laterite, the more negatively charged it becomes and the more positively charged nutrients are naturally attracted to lower depths inside the baskets. In each basket, small amounts of oxygen have actually been tested and shown to usually stay slightly above 1.5-.5mg/l. The ability to retain some oxygen appears to keep the majority of the bed in an ”anoxic” state. You must also remember that obligated anaerobic heterotrophs, will die if exposed to oxygen.
Dissimilatory denitrification occurs in zones having a small amount of oxygen. One of the nice things about facultative anaerobic bacteria that reside in the baskets is: They are capable of living in areas containing little or no dissolved oxygen (in other words they are dimorphic in nature). They are enormously more efficient than the microbes living in the anaerobic zones!
That is of great value here since the biocenosis clarification baskets can easily be kept in an anoxic state for the reason that excessive bulk water nitrate levels can potentially be controlled, because microbes actively strive to stay in equilibrium with the available foodstuff. However, lets take this scenario for instance: If the majority of the basket became anaerobic for some reason, ammonium is the denitrification byproduct, not nitrogen gas. Hence, another nitrogen compound of more significance is resulting! Yes, it would be fair to say from the studies conducted that when and anoxic system is created, the depth of its anoxic zone is then extended and insured. The potential is now greater for increasing astronomically the number facultative anaerobic heterotrophs; do to its substrate and basket configuration.

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@johntornese4104
@johntornese4104 2 года назад
Wow! I stumbled across this while researching filtration systems for my African Cichlid tank... and I just happen to work for Oil-Dri. A little info in the differences in Oil-Dri clays and getting the correct clay for for the Anoxic filter. First, Special Kitty is a product that uses attapulgite clay that is mined in south GA, the color is light tan/gray. To keep it simple for this post, all the clay processed there is baked to a certain degree to drive the moisture out. For coarse cat litter such as Special Kitty, the clay does not need to be baked long enough to drive "all" of the moisture out. This is why it will break down and get muddy when soaked in water. However, Oil-Dri Premium Absorbent is a product that is baked longer and dried out to less than 1% moisture. This changes the structure of the clay to where it will not break down and get muddy. This is the product that will be best used for Anoxic filter as described in this video. This brings up the second point... Oil-Dri Premium Absorbent is also processed in California and Mississippi facilities. In MS, the mineral is montmorillinite and is a harder granule that is darker in color (reddish/brown). Based on the video, it sounds like it could also work for this filter. However, Oil-Dri premium from CA may not work, as it will break down and not stay a hard granule. So if you live out west, you may not get the desired results. Hope this helps!
@-8_8-
@-8_8- 2 года назад
One of the best comments I've read, hands down. Thanks for the input. I have questions: oil-dri vs saftsorb. Different clays, same process? Also, do you know if the products sold are sold by region. Like if I buy oil-dri on the Gulf coast, do you think it's the MS clay, or who knows? I wouldn't imagine they'd ship cross country unless they had to but...
@GoodSamaritan1972
@GoodSamaritan1972 Год назад
Can I use zeolites instead of the kitty litter please as I don't think I am able to get this kind of kitty litter in my place
@neilvincentbraga9181
@neilvincentbraga9181 3 года назад
Dr. Novak don't you ever stop making this brilliant videos. My filtration system is patterned after your designs. Such a blessing.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Thanks, so happy to hear that.
@LukeAlm
@LukeAlm 3 года назад
I'm glad you like the canister filter BCB method I posted a couple years ago and how it can apply to other canister filters. Putting a solid plastic bottom on the basket should also take the initial "force" of the water and help even more of the basket become anoxic. Keep up the good videos! - Luke
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Thank you Luke for the tip. My Anoxic canister filter is working great, better than I thought it would. Now if only more hobbiest would realize the benefits that I'm seeing with my Anoxic canister filter, they would never turn back to the old ways of doing things. Just think, you are the one that got the ball rolling.
@LukeAlm
@LukeAlm 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Thanks Kevin! Very nice of you to say but you're the mastermind! So glad we found a way to apply the technology in a way anyone can use it without the need for a sump. Everyone's fish will be thankful! :)
@vikkirountoit497
@vikkirountoit497 3 года назад
Hi Luke - Hoping you can answer a question and give thoughts- saw your comments in Dr Novak's videos and checked out your channel to watch your eheim canister set up video from 1/18 - is yours still up and running in 2021 as initially designed and have you had to do any maintenance to the BCB inside? Honestly kind of scared to cut up my old Eheim Pro 2028 but would love to try the BCB for removal of nitrates and phosphates on my 75g rock and no plants monster tank! Thinking I might leave the lower basket whole and use course sponge to filter (large happy messy fish) debris , then cut out center of other 2 baskets and put one bcb through the 2 baskets, and top with filter floss that I can change out easily. Would appreciate your comments.
@LukeAlm
@LukeAlm 3 года назад
@@vikkirountoit497 Hello, If I made another one, I would probably make a DIY 5 gallon bucket canister filter. There are a few good videos on how to do it and they're cheap. Even if you change it back, you'll only need to buy a few extra baskets for your Eheim filter. No maintenance on the BCB inside required as long as you have a good pre-filter on it. I added another canister filter in line before it to filter the water even more before it went into the BCB "chamber". Have fun!
@rgilroy1909
@rgilroy1909 3 года назад
just a quick tip on the build: use MINI ZIP TIES instead of monofilament line to build basket. faster, easier and less frustrating
@GSP-76
@GSP-76 3 года назад
That's what I used...worked perfectly.
@chrism4673
@chrism4673 3 года назад
I just sewed mine, omg it was tedious. I will zip tie the next one...
@gregspektor7423
@gregspektor7423 2 года назад
I would suggest getting a curved needle to do this. It’ll save some frustration.
@phillipcharlesashwood1850
@phillipcharlesashwood1850 2 года назад
Zip toes for quick work, or sew it - for the esteem of the craft.
@tomcrossan8263
@tomcrossan8263 2 года назад
Hi Dr Novak. Just to bring you up to date on my 22ltr stainless steel cylinder filter using 6 X BCBs.fitted to my 500ltr with 22 x 3" to 4" Cichlids. I cleaned the filter as I noticed that the outlet flow was not as strong as it had been. It had been operating for 6 weeks. The sponges and polyfil were very dirty.. However the BCBs were very clean with no sign of any blacking etc. Also the phosphate pad indicated that the water flow was going around the bags. One thing I did not do again was put clay media balls in the bottom of the filter. All that happened was that with the flow of the incoming water these balls just slowly disintegrated and caused more "dirt". I am thinking of fitting an external filter cylinder to the filter which should increase the filter cleaning cycle. This 22ltr cylinder is heavy and not easy to remove and clean.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
sounds great
@rockfella27
@rockfella27 3 года назад
This info is mind-blowing! I feel lucky to get into this hobby with all this golden knowledge.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Glad you enjoy it!
@johnbfrommanchesterengland4580
@johnbfrommanchesterengland4580 3 года назад
Hello Kevin. Wow another fascinating video . I can't wait to see each of your videos . Its like shaking up the whole fish tank filtering market ! I have my small tank on my windowsill still cycling and in another month should hopefully see results . Can't wait to see if it works . Will let you know my results . Best wishes . John .
@poporingrursus
@poporingrursus 2 года назад
I drilled holes in a cylindircal pitcher that I got from wallmart, works great.
@dchadd6931
@dchadd6931 3 года назад
Thanks.... great information. I have sewn long skinny tube like baskets with monofilament... I have also sewn with plastic coated bead wire like for making jewelry. For me the beading wire is stiffer and I skip every other hole. I’m not as good at sewing, your work looks really neat and precise. I put them behind my matten filters and it’s been really effective in keeping my tanks healthy, thank you for this idea.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Those are all surgical stitches I just used to doing it that way.
@markbiggs7689
@markbiggs7689 3 года назад
Great video, Dr. Novak! Very good information.
@JediSuPhu
@JediSuPhu 3 года назад
Thanks Dr. Novak. I've been looking for a nitrate solution like this for a few years. Kept chasing anaerobic filtration with no success. I'm going to start switching my canisters over with your method and see how my nitrates compare.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I have really had no success with substrates or medium that are supposed to eliminateNitrates myself.
@nolanacheson7005
@nolanacheson7005 3 года назад
Really appreciate all your hard work!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!!
@michelhaineault6654
@michelhaineault6654 3 года назад
I love anoxic filter too :) Merci for your good informative videos.
@mexicalifishkeeper
@mexicalifishkeeper Год назад
I've been taking close notes because i want to do a video in Spanish talking about anoxic filtration.
@woltergrant
@woltergrant 3 года назад
This is soo cool! Can not wait to try this. I am thinking a heavy pound fishing line or firewire could work as a good alternative to the filament. Can you explain what the iron does please? You deserve video of the year for the aquarium hobby category! Hope this video blows up
@aquariumtreasures1054
@aquariumtreasures1054 3 года назад
I always find your videos so interesting and tempted to try. 🐟🌿👍😊
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
Three weeks ago I installed a 60 liter aquarium with a slow moving plenum with a Eheim 2211 cannisterfilter like Dr Novak showed in his RU-vid canal about 2 years ago. For substrate I used just poolfilter sand 1-2mm nothing else. Seeing this video I am also going to make a BCB in the Eheim 2211. If everything went well after 6 months with aquarium with fish I am going to make a BCB for my other aquarium. This is a 100 liter Juwel Rio 125. In jan 2020 I set it up with also a slow moving plenum with a JBL Greenline E-902 cannister filter. Substrate with pool sand and Seachem flourite red as describe in Dr Novaks youtubefilms 2 years ago. If all goes well with the Eheim 2211 BCB I am planning to make a BCB for the JBL E-902 cannister just like Luke had done. The JBL e-series are perfect for that because how the water flows through the cannister. As prefilter I will use a Sunsun HW-603 (model without motor).
@mikemesser7223
@mikemesser7223 3 года назад
Hi Doctor Novak PhD, I have been watching your progressive, highly informative, uploads regarding, first the slow moving anaerobic plenum and latterly the fast flowing Biocentesis Filtration system, I do not know, having lived in England all of my life if you remember the aquarists attempts, back in the 1980's, although I admit that memory fails me here, but, attempts were made to emulate a anaerobic filter by 'dripping' tank water at a pre determined rate through a, normally transparent circular column filled with, I believed to be pool filtration sand. The down side with this system, which, when I was re-bitten by the bug, I believe I can no longer find modern reference to this experiment, was the critical accuracy with which the speed of water introduced to this filter led, either to a natural aerobic failure or, more seriously if too slow then the dreaded 'rotten egg smell' (Hydrogen Sulphide) resulting in the 'usual' action, depending on the length of time that this 'bad' water had been feeding back into the, sometimes very costly display tank, to save fish and plants, although, the system's other failing was the actual, in most cases the 'pitifully small' amount of water returned to the tank when compared to your slow moving plenum system. The big problem I encountered, no doubt, along with a significant number of fellow Aquarists, discovered, as you predicted, impossible to locate. That is why I welcomed your 'upload' regarding alternatives to Laterite, which FINALY brings me to the assistance, if you are able, by query that I desperately need; 1. Will any "natural" 'Red baked clay product' of sufficient granular size be a suitable alternative to your suggested alternatives ?. 2. Can 'Zeolite', being of suitable size, act as a replacement to the 'kitty litter that you use ?. I include the relative web address for the only kitty/cat litter I can find. www.petsathome.com/shop/en/pets/pets-at-home-non-clumping-clay-cat-litter-20l?cm_mmc=Google-_-CPC-_-%20google_shopping-_-google_shopping&ita=1976&ito=google_shopping&istCompanyId=7255ccad-a1fc-4729-af31-478f79e5071c&istFeedId=385e6b9a-8b03-4076-a8bb-e4737df8549c&istItemId=itxmxqqwa&istBid=tzwt&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqo3-BRDoARIsAE5vnaIYc1aymkKqwGVrJ0ndRZeCs9v8rKnLT9Z-e3PvkU0lZu8omQQvgGMaAjlHEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds# I would be most grateful for your response
@FudgeMonkeySmurf
@FudgeMonkeySmurf 3 года назад
Finally tonight (29/12/20), around two years after seeing your first videos on Anoxic filtration and wishing I had a sump... I've converted my "Aquis Aqua One 1250" Canister Filter that was full of "Biohome" into an Anoxic filter after (largely) following your method in this video. My tank is a 450 Litre Juwel Vision which still has the internal filter which I use for mechanical and biological filtration with sponges more biohome and other sintered glass stuff. Ammonia and Nitrite have always been 0 but I've always had Nitrates at around 50 to 80 ppm while doing 20 to 40% water changes every week or two weeks, with 6KG's of Biohome (Sintered glass) media in my various filters. So, hopefully in 45 days or so I am hoping to see a reduction in Nitrate? I will continue to perform water changes as I would normally and test using my "Salifert" Nitrate test kit that I use for my reef tank which I find to be more accurate than the freshwater API one. I'll update you in 45 days... Cheers Kev Ph.D. ;O)
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Yes, keep me updated on your tank. 👍
@LukeAlm
@LukeAlm 3 года назад
Any test results?
@ultrasvanessha5030
@ultrasvanessha5030 Год назад
dont forget the result dude we wait
@FudgeMonkeySmurf
@FudgeMonkeySmurf Год назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums It's been a long wait, apologies for that. Regarding my thoughts and results of what I've seen and experienced with my tank over the last (nearly) two years using the Anoxic filter I set up, as above, along with the keeping the existing internal Juwel filter containing sponges and sintered glass media. In short, In my experience Anoxic filtration works to reduce nitrates. Over the past two years Nitrate levels have been relatively consistent between 35 and under 50 ppm and that is also in conjunction with reducing the water changes I do to every couple of months in the last year. My fish stock levels have fluctuated on a couple of occasions because I have (or rather, had) an overstocked tank due to Diamond Tetras that won't stop breeding in my tank. So, periodically I sell them to my local Aquarium store. The amount of fish I pull out to sell varies between 60 and 100ish fish. I also have an old Angel and a large Black ghost knife fish that I've had for 7 years amongst many others. I would say that if I reduced my fish stock even further and/or added another anoxic filter, this may reduce nitrates further but I'm ok with how it works for now. I will still continue with changing water because if you don't, after a while carbonate hardness drops and the waters buffering ability becomes unstable and pH drops. (and it's just nice to freshen things up for the fish). Anyway, those are my thoughts. Hope it's helpful.
@AlexK-ew1mo
@AlexK-ew1mo 2 года назад
I skipped this video because I don't have a canister. Now I wish I watched it because I'm having this crumbling issue. I'm on my second attempt with a plenum but didn't bother changing out the clay (safe t sorb). However I put a fine mesh fabric above the UGF plate. That's been keeping the mush from coming through.
@waynes3606
@waynes3606 7 месяцев назад
What size tank will this filter work on? Buy the way I have used your idea on Koi ponds since 2004/5 you accually were sending cds with info. The best system.. Thanks Dr.
@chrism4673
@chrism4673 3 года назад
I made my Anoxic basket bottom flat because the Eheim 2215 has a raise plastic platform in the bottom of canister already. Also I will only use filter pad on top of basket for easier maintenance and not having to remove the Anoxic basket from the canister.
@phuohoang3859
@phuohoang3859 3 года назад
now i dont need to change water. thx you
@-8_8-
@-8_8- 2 года назад
So would the air dry pottery clay be an acceptable substitute for the flourish? I've seen you mention pottery clay before, but what I can find is the no bake/self hardening, you didn't mention this. Supposed to not ever get water proof. I just don't know if there are added polymers that are bad for fish. Any thoughts? This says amaco terra cotta(possibly just color?) Air dry clay.
@DenizErgun-im8pj
@DenizErgun-im8pj 9 месяцев назад
Hi Dr Novak, thank you very much for this informative video. I’m confused about the dosage of the iron. Because in the video about the bcb bags you were preparing for your other canister filter, you said we should use 2 ounces of the flourish iron for ponds, and they were very small bags compared to this basket? Did I catch it wrong in that video? Could u kindly write the dosage for that big of a basket? I’m going to use it inside my mini Sun-sun canister filter. Or is the dosage irrelevant? Thank you
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 9 месяцев назад
1 mL of iron to 8 gallons of aquarium water.
@Ttblondey
@Ttblondey 3 года назад
Thanks
@guppiesstories5942
@guppiesstories5942 3 года назад
Another brilliant piece Dr.Novak. The tiny details of the construction of the BCB has the hallmark of a mastercraftsman [leather]. I have made some crude BCB using the mesh idea earlier but your work is so much better. Kitty litter is a real pain to find for some of us.Maybe can you recomend some easier to find alternatives to kitty litter? Would small limestone or granite pebbles work? I also found that in my aquarium my prefilter gets clogged up pretty fast. I remembered your filter socks in your sump video, it is like that within 24-48hrs period. And it was so easy to clean your prefilter socks in a snap without touching the rest.So maybe ,just maybe you might want to consider making a prefilter that is superfast to remove clean/replace in a snap. lol [only a suggestion]
@theboesmani
@theboesmani 3 года назад
There is a piece of kit called a Filter Bucket made by Sun Sun . This is basically a big external pre-filter . I use the large size ones on both my canister filters and clean them once a month . Cons.are that they slow down the flow a fair bit and the hose sizes are not standard although they will accept standard hoses with a bit of work .
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
@@theboesmani thanks for the information I didn’t know that myself.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
If you watch some of my other videos I do have an alternative to kitty litter I think it’s called Zeolite. That is what they use in Thailand instead of kitty litter.
@theboesmani
@theboesmani 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Thanks, I can get Zeolite . I think that it is chemically active ( at least initially) though . People I know add it to fish bags when transporting fish over long distances to absorb Ammonia . I will check it out .
@guppiesstories5942
@guppiesstories5942 3 года назад
@@theboesmani What i had in mind was something like Dr.Novak's filter sock, where he just take it out in a breeze. No shutting of valves, pulling out hoses, opening canister ect. And he did it in less than 2minutes? Taking out the 24hrs dirt certainly increases the water quality.
@kashifs786
@kashifs786 3 года назад
Dr. its gr8 work and service that you are doing ... God bless you. appreciate if you can make a short vdo on alternate media that can be used for the BCB like zeolite, crushed potery, hydroponics, leca, lava rock ...
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Thanks, made a bigger BCB with new ADA filter. One basket will filter enough for 9lbs of fish review coming up.
@GoodSamaritan1972
@GoodSamaritan1972 Год назад
Hi Dr Novac. Can i do this with a hang on back filter please? I have been binging on your videos in the last couple of days...i am planning on setting up a couple of tanks in my house...and i am planning on doing it your way
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums Год назад
Yes some have done it.
@kitwin9905
@kitwin9905 2 года назад
Fascinating. Question. I use to play with clay in the ditches. There was a smell on the deep clay. Is that the anoxic bacteria you are talking about. And are you basically trying to produce that environment?
@TheChubbyGuppy
@TheChubbyGuppy 3 года назад
Dr. Novak have you ever tried Safe T Sorb from tractor supply? It is made from montmorillonite clay. $6 for 40 lbs I’ve had great success.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Yes, it as good as Kitty Litter, i’ve repeatedly told people they can also use oil-Dry which is exactly like what you’re talking about. Thanks for the good info I hope others read this comment.
@doshimoro
@doshimoro 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums hi sir. Can i use akadama clay, pebbles clay or even pumice to replace the cat litter?
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 2 года назад
I have a few queries, hope you can answer them.. 1) i have found some brands of non clumping natural clay kitty litter..but it says bentonite.. Will it work? You once said bentonite doesnt work, as its clumping.. but if its non clumping and hopefully baked..will it then work, or does it have to be attapulgite? 2) for plenum purpose, will any substrate of our choice ( eg fine gravel or coarse sand) ( height 2-3 inches with particle size 1-3mm with a 1 inch plenum with a short lift tube)work with iron or does it have to be baked clay with laterite.. 3) will any bricks made from baked clay work even if its not attapulgite clay? 4) lastly, you made a video about substitutes for the laterite or iron rich substrate..you have probably not yet made a video about substitutes for baked clay... From what i have gathered, you said the following would/should work Zeolite, leca balls..if they are properly sized, like 2-4mm in diameter..are there any other? Thanks in advance
@johnalbernaz8960
@johnalbernaz8960 3 года назад
Hi DR. Novak First I like to say thank for showing your work on this great filter media. My question is can I modify your design to fit in a HOB filter ? I all ready order the clay kitty litter, and the plastic canvas to make the basket, the only problem I had was the iron , so I bought a 6oz of red powder clay it's use for a face mask. By adding water to it women smear it over the face and it is to draw out imperatives. Seeing that it's safe to apply to one face, I am sure it's safe to use it in my freshwater aquarium. So I plan on making small Square BCB basket, in the same style you have made with a smaller gap on the bottom, with a 1/4 " filter foam wrap around the Bottom to catch debris. And a gap on the top , to put filter floss on top. This BCB basket would be small enough so water would enter from bottom and all four side. When I finished making the basket could I send you a photo of the BCB BASKET. For your opinion . And would the red clay powder I purchased work. Thank you #FALLRIVERFISHGUY MASSACHUSETTS
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
A HOB filter would work but I think it will need some innovated modifications to it or the BCB basket. I just looked on Amazon and put in "Laterite" an it popped up. Laterite Powder Florin Base by: Brightwell Aquatics. It comes in 160-g,325-g,600-g and 1000-g. It cost $12.47 for 325-g.
@DylanFH15
@DylanFH15 3 года назад
What are the implications of the iron and if I don't include it ?
@kevinw1954
@kevinw1954 3 года назад
you can buy laterite from Brightwell Aquatics
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
Can we use very fine stone chips ( like used for making roads) It would be hard,not disintegrate, and the porosity will be same as this ..so water won't go through it? And also another substrate..like bricks broken into very small pieces..they are also baked clay basically..and they dont disintegrate..and have the porosity in the small pieces i guess to create the anoxic conditons.. Can crushed pottery made of baked clay work? I do not have access to kitty litter per se..so i was just thinking of alternatives available here..you are so kind as to think about working around a problem.. Could you shine some light on these ideas? Thank you..
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Many hobbyists say that: “It is impossible to have oxygen in the baskets because the substrate will compact, and therefore will inhibit any biological process to take place.” However, they forget about the substrate permeability1 qualities, and the large part it plays in the microbial and chemical processes. The permeability of Kitty litter and Laterite allow oxygenated Aquarium/pond water with inorganic compounds to pass through the substrate on a current-carrying magnetic field, which then allows the substrate to stay more aerobic. Such substrate has two characteristics that enable fluids to move through it: (1) porosity and (2) permeability. Porosity is the presence of small openings, or pores. Permeability means that some of the pores are connected by spaces through which fluids can move. Nonetheless, actual tests of the baskets have confirmed the existence of oxygen at low levels for bacterium to exists and exists it does. Yet, in all honesty, how it gets there is still somewhat of an unknown to scientist. Yet, I will try to explain the best I can for the hobbyist. Oxygen penetration is less and less with depth. It decreases for two reasons: microbial metabolism and subsequent biogeochemical processes. Diffusion is a very effective process over short distances; however, it has its limitations. Yet, the presence of oxygen in the biocenosis clarification baskets suggests that oxygen does diffuse as far as the center of each basket. Concomitantly, biogeochemical processes may produce or retain some oxygen. Differential pressure existing across gradients. Ion displacement (differential pressure) exists when there is a relationship with carbon dioxide removal. If there is a substrate producing some carbon dioxide, it then becomes a factor in creating anoxic condition. The addition of anion producer such as microbial or aggregate or both needs to produce enough oxygen to engage or attract the carbon dioxide and that will then move the cations, releasing the oxygen and consequently going more aerobic. The point being made here is that it is that oxygen is present in the substrate of each basket and it is clearly not there only because of diffusion alone. What I have just stated here is the kind of substrate or medium use will make a big difference in how the Anoxic Filter works. It's a lot more complicated than what most hobbiest think. A lot of science goes into an Anoxic Filtration System. You can try other mediums but your outcome may not be so good. Sorry if this is bad news.
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums of course it a big big achievement to find a substrate in the first place which can cause this in a scale to be applicable in smaller aquariums..to make it possible...now whats left is finding many such substrates... which i am sure exists..based on similar porosity, permeability..physicochemical and electrochemical properties that is.. If that is matched..the rest of the biological interaction will follow.. And since the method of application is already well established, be it sump or cannister .. finding more similar substrates will surely help.... already more work is being done by hobbyists regarding this..regarding forms of application, like miniaturization, in tank itself, in HOBs..with initial favourable results.. hopefully they prove to be repeatable and scalable.. I just hope, some other materials become recommended in the first place..so that research using those materials can be started in the right direction.. I myself, will probably test brick powder to begin with.. its also used as a absorbent, is permeable, has low, but relatively matching CEC which probably will create similar magnetic properties, and also inherently rich in iron.. I will also use other iron salts as supplements.. It may fail..but worth trying.. On that note.. you mentioned vermiculite will cause algal bloom..have you tried it yourself? One of the main diff is much higher CEC of that, compared to attapulgite/palygorskite..which might kind of 'spit out' the nitrates(anions) rather than keep it in the center.. But then again, there are actual research articles, regarding use of vermiculite, pumice for anoxic filtration of waste water..( although anoxic levels were created a bit differently, and also used a deep substrate) And vermiculite and laterite has been recommended as bottom layer substrate for planted applications since quite long.. Anyway..its definitely a very exciting avenue for research.. But yes, the anoxic method has been around for decades..but has not become popular due to the physical constraints, lack of proper understanding, and non scalability for small aquariums..when that hurdle is solved.. a LOT is going to change.. Natural ecosystems, healthier, long living fish, no external co2, ferts, water changes.. It will be beautiful and stop wastage of lot of money and resources.. Looking forward to that..
@khaldrogo8559
@khaldrogo8559 3 года назад
Hi (all the way from Australia) Dr Novak. I am an avid viewer of your videos and have (hopefully) learned a few things from your very informative material. Thank you. I have a question with this form of BCB for the canister. Does the flow of water through the canister need to be at a certain minimum flow rate, or is the rate irrelevant?
@drummking15
@drummking15 3 года назад
Following
@metealpaslan9176
@metealpaslan9176 3 года назад
Excellent .Congratulations. Very explanatory video. One point I would like to ask: is the addition of iron solution necessary? Isn't there a possiblity of overdosing the iron? Isn't it harmfulfor the fish? Thank you.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
If you’re already adding iron to your aquarium because of plants then the iron is not absolutely necessary. It will migrate inside the BCB on its own. Or lets say you have iron in your tap water already then there’s no reason to add more to the BCB. Small amounts of iron or not harmful to your fish but it could cause problems with your plants. This is done by overdosing.
@Ttblondey
@Ttblondey 3 года назад
It's so hard to get baked clay kitty litter in Singapore. Hopefully there's a substitute to it. For iron there's a Nilocg which contains ferrous gluconate ,dtpa and edta iron in liquid form.
@patchn-jess6999
@patchn-jess6999 3 года назад
I've been wondering if you would make more videos. For zeolite I find horticultural zeolite works great without breaking down the way the special kitty does.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I know Harvy is in Thailand use Zell light which almost looks like kitty litter more so than what we use here in United States is kitty litter and also adding iron. I have it on my blog and it does work.
@flyby183
@flyby183 3 года назад
Dr. Novak would you mind doing a follow up video in 60 days to let us know if it did work as expected. I’m curious how water would leave the bottom and go out the sides if there’s holes in the bottom. It’s uneducated but it would still seem to me because the tube isn’t very thick that it would be very hard for it to get anoxic even if most water is flowing around it there will still be some going through it to stay aerobic. What other brands of canister filters would this work on? Fluval?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
In the ADA canister the water is not being pulled through the medium but is forced around the BCB. Water always take the path of least resistance and the BCB has too much resistance for the water to go through it. Diffusion is what will bring the water into the BCB along with ions. One ion is being taken in as another ion is being released back in solution.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Many hobbyists say that: “It is impossible to have oxygen in the baskets because the substrate will compact, and therefore will inhibit any biological process to take place.” However, they forget about the substrate permeability1 qualities, and the large part it plays in the microbial and chemical processes. The permeability of Kitty litter and Laterite allow oxygenated aquarium water with inorganic compounds to pass through the substrate on a current-carrying magnetic field, which then allows the substrate to stay more aerobic. Such substrate has two characteristics that enable fluids to move through it: (1) porosity and (2) permeability. Porosity is the presence of small openings, or pores. Permeability means that some of the pores are connected by spaces through which fluids can move. Nonetheless, actual tests of the baskets have confirmed the existence of oxygen at low levels for bacterium to exists and exists it does. Yet, in all honesty, how it gets there is still somewhat of an unknown to scientist. Yet, I will try to explain the best I can for the hobbyist. Oxygen penetration is less and less with depth. It decreases for two reasons: microbial metabolism and subsequent biogeochemical processes. Diffusion is a very effective process over short distances; however, it has its limitations. Yet, the presence of oxygen in the biocenosis clarification baskets suggests that oxygen does diffuse as far as the center of each basket. Concomitantly, biogeochemical processes may produce or retain some oxygen. Differential pressure existing across gradients. Ion displacement (differential pressure) exists when there is a relationship with carbon dioxide removal. If there is a substrate producing some carbon dioxide, it then becomes a factor in creating anoxic condition. The addition of anion producer such as microbial or aggregate or both needs to produce enough oxygen to engage or attract the carbon dioxide and that will then move the cations, releasing the oxygen and consequently going more aerobic. The point being made here is that it is that oxygen is present in the substrate of each basket and it is clearly not there only because of diffusion alone.
@flyby183
@flyby183 3 года назад
Kevin Novak Ph.D. Will it work with Fluval?
@benogrady3328
@benogrady3328 2 года назад
Iv been asking for years now if zeolite cat litter will be fine but still no answer
@aravinias
@aravinias 3 года назад
Microorganisms consume significant amounts of Zn, Co, Mg... besides Fe. A rich micronutrient fertilizer for the kernel might work better than an only iron one? Thank you
@gregspektor7423
@gregspektor7423 2 года назад
Love these videos on Anoxic filtration. It seems that the aquarium hobby is becoming more about creating balanced habitats to support fish in a healthy environment. I'm preparing to set up my first aquarium (Fluval Flex 32.5/123) and want to incorporate Anoxic filtration. I've not been unable to locate the baked clay kitty litter. Is there an alternative media that can be used in its place? Also, how does one calculate how much media I need for the size of my tank and/or bio load?
@FlyingShawn84
@FlyingShawn84 2 года назад
Dr Novak, what is the minimum diameter for a canister BCB like this? I'm using a pair of Nu-Clear/Red Sea-style canisters with the pleated filter cartridges and the center "donut hole" of the cartridges is only about 4" diameter x 9" tall, so once I account for flow space I'm looking at a maximum BCB size of 3" x 8". Is such a narrow column enough to create a meaningful anoxic zone? Thanks!
@Wilwong888
@Wilwong888 3 месяца назад
Hi, this is so interesting, do you think I can convert my Fluval 307 series canister filter to an Anoxic filter as you explained? thanks in advance.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 месяца назад
Yes
@zacklothamer9533
@zacklothamer9533 3 года назад
I am wondering if the fluval canister filters could be adapted for this as the filter is basically divided in half with the water entering from the top on oneside and going through your sponges and floss to the bottom of the canister and then rising back up through the media baskets to be sucked out by the pump back to the tank if you replcethe media baskets with a bcb you should be able to make an anoxic canister filter this way as well
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Don’t really know but it’s worth a try.
@gold3nrul311
@gold3nrul311 3 года назад
you could honestly silicone it together and it'd work pretty well
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I don’t think silicone will be strong enough. I think it would wind up unzipping from the pressure so that’s why I sowed it with monofilament thread.
@aravinias
@aravinias 3 года назад
Dr, Novak. Do you have some bibliography, dissertations, thesis or articles to read more in depth assays and fundamentals? Thanks in advance
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
anoxicfiltrationsystem.blogspot.com/ Jest go to the link above and you will get a plethora of information on the Anoxic Filtration System.
@ianbabor3971
@ianbabor3971 2 года назад
Dr. Novak, i hav read dat u sugested zeolite cat litter as it was used in other areas, but as i search here in my country, zeolite charcoal cat liter is d only availble i can find, wud dis be enough n right?
@fisherman484
@fisherman484 3 года назад
Hey Dr. Novak,saw the picture of Ironite on you blog page.Is that possible to use that instead of the laterite cause its hard to find nowadays.I can get the Ironite easily from homedepot in my town if it can be used as a replacement of laterite.Please let me know.Thanks...
@tarenturagroup
@tarenturagroup Год назад
Dr Novak, This may be a silly question but having looked at anoxic filters for a couple of weeks I am unable to find how I can add the bacteria to my filter. I am looking at a water treatment tank, so there is no fish in it, purely a high level of nitrate within the water. is it even possible to kick of the filter in a plain tank/ or can it even be used. Also, yeast is a heterotrophic bacteria, could this be added to the tank to start the colony? TIA
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums Год назад
I would go with one of the off-the-shelf products like FritzZyme 7 Nitrifying bacteria.
@tarenturagroup
@tarenturagroup Год назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums brilliant, thanks!
@MrMovieguy12
@MrMovieguy12 3 года назад
Once again Doctor, great video. You have me convinced to give this a try. I mentioned in another post that I am using Fluval canisters. You think this could be used in one of them like a Fluval 307 or 406? I'm guessing I'd just have to leave out all the baskets and sponge racks and make that media basket you described. I currently run a FX4 and the 307. My plan would be to run the FX4 unchanged and put the kitty litter in the 307. In other words run both the standard canister along side one that the anoxic bacteria. Love to hear your thoughts
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
It sounds good but I'm not that up to date on just how the new Fluval's get the intake and exit output of water into the canister. The water has to circulate around the BCB in order for it to work. That is why I personally chose the Eheim classic or ADA canister filters because water must come in from the bottom then go up to the outlet at the top.
@MrMovieguy12
@MrMovieguy12 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums The Fluvlas have the intake and output at the top. I'm guessing it may not work
@enriquemartinez5647
@enriquemartinez5647 3 года назад
Hi! Dr. Novak. Does carbon dosing alter the bacteria type and/or performance in the Anoxic filter? Say I wanted to get rid of PO4 while the 6 week colonization period is done. Thank you and thank you for giving us this open source information to help us keep better water parameters and happier fish.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Absolutely not, has no affect on the bacteria.
@horatiomarchis7574
@horatiomarchis7574 3 года назад
i have a question here, in UK I can not find clay non clumping, the only non clumping litter is made out of limestone and quartz, is that ok to use or not for the filter
@coltscustoms
@coltscustoms 3 года назад
Another great video! I noticed that too with the same cat litter how it's not really clumping or turning to mush unless you really try to smash it. I wonder if it just wasn't baked hot enough. I will test a little bit and get it really hot with a torch or in a kiln over a fire just to see what happens.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Let me know your outcome please.
@coltscustoms
@coltscustoms 3 года назад
Well I only spent a few minutes with the torch on a small handful and sure enough it turned a lighter color grey, and then put it in water and it definitely stays much harder so far compared to right out of the bag.
@coltscustoms
@coltscustoms 3 года назад
And as i was looking for the torch, I looked at the floor-dry and I think it's a type of baked clay, so I put some water on it too and it seems much harder than the cat litter too. It's also has a lighter color and some red to it so it seems like it's been baked much hotter. Anyway would something like floor dry work as an alternative if it's all natural?
@woltergrant
@woltergrant 3 года назад
@@coltscustoms I’ve looked into that as well and it is a good alternative. As long as it is the type with no added chemicals.
@coltscustoms
@coltscustoms 3 года назад
Yeah so it's called Safe T Sorb from Tractor Supply only 6 bucks for 40lbs and yes apparently people use it in planted tanks.
@eosjack
@eosjack 3 года назад
Thanks for the videos, Dr Novak. I'd really like to try this for a 30 gallon tank. What are the minimum dimensions necessary for a successful BCB in a canister filter?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
The size is going to be dictated by the size of your canister filter and the medium that you’re going to use along with it. Such as sponges, filter medium and carbon, etc., etc. actually, the best thing to do is get the biggest filter you can afford for your size tank.
@pincoya44
@pincoya44 10 месяцев назад
Dr. Novak, Is there an alternative to kitty liter?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 10 месяцев назад
As I have discussed in other videos, if you’re making a Plenum, you do not necessarily have to even use kitty litter. You can use alternatives such as oil dry, or Safetsorb.
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
Also, you said you have personally not had much success with substrates or medium that are supposed to remove nitrates.. so does only deep substrate method if placed directly on the bottom..will the bottom most layer create anoxic conditions? Will placing a porous material like pumice or vermiculite at the bottom most layer of such a deep substrate create a slow moving anoxic filtration layer?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
You see plants will draw water through the substrate through conventional means but the plants will be very slow in doing this and are subject to CO2 fertilization. Depending on plants alone to draw water through the substrate is a path to failure without the help like heating cables like is suggested by the experts. But even heating cables under the substrate becomes useless in the summer months when the ambient air temperature of the room equals that of the tank or the tank is getting enough heat from the aquarium lights. Then the heating cables never turn on to heat the substrate and then everything starts going anaerobic in the media and starts turning black. Glass bottom aquariums will show this best and you can then see the blackening of the substrate very easy by looking at the bottom of the tank. Once the heating cables resume the work of heating the tank once again and your tank will turn sweet once again, then slowly the substrate will turn aerobic and you will have more aerobe organisms or facultative anaerobes than anaerobic organisms. The applied physics are the same no matter if it is an aquarium or pond. Plants alone will not draw enough water through a substrate to keep it from going anaerobic without a little help from the hobbyist. The substrate in a planted aquarium needs to be at least 3” deep and a plenum needs to be added under the substrate of ½ to 1” depth. By doing this, heating cables are not needed and biological and chemical pathways remain open to chemical mediators. Now your substrate will draw water by convention, diffusion and peculation. However, this will once again be subject to the size of the media you choose to use to anchor your plants in. If the medium is too small or too large then you’re sacrificing permeability and porewater capability of that substrate and it will clog. Unlike the Biocenosis Clarification Baskets (BCB’s) that make up the Anoxic filter in a pond, aquariums can’t have a bunch of BCB’s sitting inside of them because of cosmetic reasons. That’s why when you buy plants you will see them in individual small plant pots that act like a BCB’s does but on a smaller scale. They are grown this way in greenhouses with space in-between them just like an AFS has space between its BCB’s. I have also seen hobbyist use cat litter and Laterite for their substrate in aquariums that houses plants too. But once again you must elevate the medium above the bottom glass surface like I explained above. Now, you will have an Anoxic Filter without all the BCB’s but will have one big BCB the size of your aquarium bottom instead. Using a black craft canvas on top of a platform will hold the cat litter and Laterite above the glass and because of its size it will not clog. NOTE: You must only use cat litter, Oil Dri or Safe t Sorb that has been baked. Some cat litters are not baked and then they will not work for a Plenum situation. A BCB yes, but not a Plenum. How to make a BCB the size of an Aquarium is easy. You can use PVC or anything that can make a raised bed above the aquarium floor. Then in one corner or in an inconspicuous place in the aquarium place a 1” plastic tube with small holes drilled at the bottom ½” of the tube. The tube is inserted in the raised bed and will sit on the bottom glass (The tube can also be capped off at the bottom.) with an air stone at the bottom of the tube and the tube will then look like and under gravel airlift tube. Using the smallest air pump you can buy, pump air into the tube via air stone. This will move water from under your plenum extremely slow. It will not act like an under gravel filter because water movement will be too slow for that to happen. The slower the water movement the better it works. Just the opposite of what an under gravel filter was meant for. If the tube only exchanges one gallon of water a day that’s good enough and fast enough too. Just make certain that none of the cat litter can fall in-between the tube and the black craft canvas screen. The tube is added; because the substrate is tight against the aquarium glass at its sides. This will impede the chemical and biological pathways some. The very slow water movement underneath the plenum will allow for proper ion exchange and will mimic a conventional movement of the water through the substrate releasing any gases. Yes the substrate will produce N2 and it must find a way out via the tube you just added.
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums excellent explanation..i was wondering though..in actual ecosystems and ponds in nature..how does anoxic filtration happen ? There is only 'substrate' ..how does water movement happen there?
@ed1501
@ed1501 3 года назад
Will an Anoxic filter remove nitrates effectively if it is used with a second standard set up canister filter? Both running independently.
@briandixon4931
@briandixon4931 2 месяца назад
Prefer to use oil dry
@ikuwaranaga7522
@ikuwaranaga7522 3 года назад
Zeolite + seachem flourite red.
@PalJoey-on1yi
@PalJoey-on1yi 3 года назад
Why would you not disperse the iron throughout the clay? What function does the clay body fill if you are not directing a bit of current through it?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
The iron plays two parts in the BCB. part one ) iron helps too accelerate bacteria growth. Bacteria use the iron for their growth in the very beginning and once they are all established then the iron isn’t quite as important. Two) the laterite has the same crystalline structure as kitty litter or oil dri or any one of those products and therefore it will attract the ions out of the aquarium water the same as the kitty litter. Even in a normal Aquarium iron is still very important for the building of cells inside your aquarium our filter to establish bacteria.
3 года назад
Hello Dr. Novac, could you clarify if what you use as Kitty Litter in the U.S., is basically composed of diatomite. I'm from Argentina and I want to make sure I get it right.
3 года назад
can the kitty litter be replaced by zeolite?
@lukelee465
@lukelee465 2 года назад
Hi Dr is using OCEAN FREE 3DM Bacto-Sand as deep substrate good? 4inches thick
@punkypam5524
@punkypam5524 3 года назад
Can you use akadama instead of kitty litter? Thank you
@dennis8248
@dennis8248 Год назад
Hi and thanks for a great video. How big or many baskets for a 550 gallon or 2100 liters tank? Do you have a way to calculate this?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums Год назад
It really is judged by the amount of pollution your aquariums is making. If you have a 550 gallon aquarium and only one fish in it then one basket would be more than enough.
@aravinias
@aravinias 3 года назад
According to the CEC, would zeolite work even better than montmorillonite attracting compounds?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I have not personally use Zeolite but in other countries they have used it with great susses.
@aravinias
@aravinias 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Besides the price versus cat litter, whether one of the keys is the CEC I suppose zeolite could be the queen. Right?
@filterprowater
@filterprowater 3 года назад
Hi Dr Novak, what will be the next best thing if i could not find non clumping kitty litter Thank you.
@ChuckD59
@ChuckD59 3 года назад
See the Chubby Guppy's question above about the Saf T Sorb product. I have two tanks now about 2 -1/2 years old with about a 3" bed of Saf T Sorb and am very happy with my choice. It took me a bit to get plants to take, but once I started fertilizing (Aquarium Co-op Easy Green and Seachem Flourish a couple times a week) things really took off. Can't say it's eliminated nitrates as mine tend to run around 40ish, but I think the nitrate craze is a bit overly blown.
@stephenrumpolo7326
@stephenrumpolo7326 3 года назад
If I use an Eheim 2213 would it also be a good idea to apply some known filter mods to slow down the flow in order to help the anoxic conditions?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Do Not Slow Down your 2213. You can turn it into an Anoxic filter at that speed. New video coming out with a canister filter that puts out 500-gpr and the big BCB in it will handed 9-lbs of fish.
@viperexpress305
@viperexpress305 3 года назад
How often do you need to put the 1/2 oz of liquid iron into the canister ?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Once every 5-10 years if you are not adding iron already to your aquarium.
@na1du
@na1du 3 года назад
Did anyone try Seachem Flourite Black Clay Gravel instead of kitty litter?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I think that is worth a try.
@toddslingerland6110
@toddslingerland6110 3 года назад
Is this what you're speaking of? Looks interesting as it is made of clay AND has a high iron content. What are your thoughts Dr. Novak, can we kill 2 birds with one stone?e-lss.jp/seachem/flourite-black.php
@viperexpress305
@viperexpress305 3 года назад
Thanks, I'm going to give it a try ...
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
@@toddslingerland6110 it looks like it may work I just wonder what the size of the substrate is or the medium is? 1-2mm? I don’t know.
@R1D9M8B4
@R1D9M8B4 2 года назад
Can we use stones instead? Maybe finer grade lava rock?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
No it will not work the same. The kitty litter or oil dry has a crystalline structure to it that attracts the ions out of the aquarium water unlike normal gravel or lava rock. Sorry...
@goodsamaritan6112
@goodsamaritan6112 2 года назад
dr.novak what if i baked that kind of kitty litter maybe for 2 hours or more does it make a difference? it will degrade the litter? a
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
I don't know, sorry about that.
@ricardodarmali4570
@ricardodarmali4570 2 года назад
Hi Dr. Novak, thanks for this helpful video. I am planning to create a BCB basket to be place into a similar canister filter like yours (mine is a Chihiros though). Just wanted to check with you, because I can't find the exact cat litter and oil dri in my country (Indonesia), would you be able to advise whether I can use a 100% zeolite stones in the basket? Would it worked the way it supposed to then? Thanks again!
@ricardodarmali4570
@ricardodarmali4570 2 года назад
Hi Dr. Novak, a quick question, will baked akadama will work as substitute to cat litter? I hope you can reply to my question, thank you in advance.
@ultrasvanessha5030
@ultrasvanessha5030 Год назад
udah nyoba om? pake apa jadinya?
@ChuckMSH
@ChuckMSH 3 года назад
Hi Dr. Novak, from what I understand you are installing this filter on the same antique aquarium that you did the slow moving plenum on. Does the slow moving plenum not already work as an anoxic filter? How much anoxic filtration is needed? I am removing all the substrate from a 40 breeder to add a set of filter plates and 1”-2” layer of kitty litter. Will that be enough anoxic filtration for a typical community aquarium? Or will I need some external anoxic filtration as well?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
The plenum does work to keep ,your tank from "crashing" . I have used a slow moving plenum in tanks that did not need a teardown for over 10-years. Placing the substrate directly on the bottom, I was lucky to go a year before a teardown or starting all over again. Be very careful of the Kitty Litter you use . As I said in my video not all Kitty Litter is the same coming out of Walmart. That is why I chose to make a canister BCB, then the cat litter can very somewhat. Maybe only 1/4" of cat litter in-between your substrate would-be the safer bet.
@alburglar
@alburglar 3 года назад
Hi Dr Novak. Do you ever need to replenish the iron source added to the clay or is it just introduced initially to 'jump start' the bacteria reproduction?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
yes every 5-10 years.
@sajadmousavi9645
@sajadmousavi9645 3 года назад
Dr. Kevin, Thanks for the informative videos. Do you have any idea if filling a denitrification reactor with kitty litter material with a slow rate flow gets the same result?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
The water cannot be force through the kitty litter it must be done as I have instructed.
@tiojoe9245
@tiojoe9245 3 года назад
Great video, one question: I've used this exact cat litter. Can I use zeolite as a substitute?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Yes you can!
@eyadjamus7126
@eyadjamus7126 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums that's awesome to hear. As the only "Clay" kitty litter I can find locally is Zeolite clay kitty litter.
@TheStreamAffair
@TheStreamAffair 3 года назад
Hi Dr Novak, I was introduced to your Anoxic filtration method through a youtuber @ guppies stories. For my stream tank (you can check out my channel too), I am using 2 fluval fx6 canister filter and 2 big size pre-filter canister filter. In my pre-filter, i have loaded them with tons of pumice actually without the basket tho. I got few questions to ask and hope you could address it. 1. Would this work if I'm using small size pumice instead of kitty liter? 2. Is it compulsary to inject the iron liquid? 2. Is it okay for the water output from the anoxic filter flow into the normal convention canister filter or it has to be a separate flow all together? 3. Can both conventional filter and anoxic filter co-exist together? 4. Could I just convert all my entire conventional filter into an anoxic filter for my 10 footer stream tank that houses almost 100 small sized fishes.
@maleficent3333
@maleficent3333 2 года назад
hi, i have huge problem finding "cat litter" part, every cat litter i find(i live in poland eu) is like modeling clay after it's wet, get's really sticky and melts kinda, i tried oil absorption products, same thing happens, i just can't get right clay thing, it is possible to simply buy some active substrate as replacement for that? many cat litter brands i have been recommended aren't available in my country.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
Watch my newest video maybe that will help.
@jaythefishman41
@jaythefishman41 3 года назад
If I understand correctly, the idea is to have the water flow around the outside of the basket, not through the media as in a conventional canister filter for biological filtration. So would it not be better to use something solid rather than mesh on the bottom of the basket to minimize flow through? I understand water takes path of least resistance, but still there will be a significant amount of water passing through, specially with a powerful canister pump, which would eventually turn it into conventional nitrifying biological filtration. This is not the same as your original baskets set in the relatively slow moving water of a sump with plenty of room around for water flow. Is this a concern?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Not really, the laws of physics come into play here with resistance being the key factor. If you make the BCB as in my video then the water will have too much resistance at the bottom of the basket and therefore seek the path that I made for it at the bottom. That 1/2" of space should do the trick to allow water to escape very easy under the BCB.That is why I did it. The ions in the aquarium will then be attracted on the sides, bottom and top of the basket , making it more efficient at attracting them. The BCB is now positively change and will attract the negative ions from solution better. I can already see a big difference in my aquarium already. It seems like the production of algae has almost come to a grinding halt in my tank. This is the same thing that happens in pond that use the Anoxic filter too. This is one reason I placed the tank in direct sunlight.
@jaythefishman41
@jaythefishman41 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Great. Thanks for your reply, Dr. I will be converting an Eheim Ecco 2236 following your example.
@ckdesign429
@ckdesign429 3 года назад
do you have a video on how much media you need per gallon? And can I make a basket for a hang on back or is the flow too high? I have aqua clears, which I could also retro fit with an air lift system for a trickle filter.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Not really.
@lazyman_aquarium
@lazyman_aquarium 3 года назад
Dr Novak, will leca balls work the same way? Leca balls are hard and made of clay.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Bentonite: Do not use • Clumping cat litters are made of Bentonite clay, which sticks together when wet. The bentoniteis usually mixed with quartz and diatomaceous earth, which are absorbent. Other Clays: • Various types of clays are used for non-clumping cat litters. Zeolite, diatomaceous earth and sepiolite are common. • (Only use clay -Attapulgite-that has been mined from the earth, clean, baked, and pulverized such as Kitty litter.)
@doshimoro
@doshimoro 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums can i use only laterite without the cat litter?
@theboesmani
@theboesmani 3 года назад
The plastic mesh you are using is called " Plastic Needlepoint Canvas ". I have an Eheim ECCO pro 300 which will be surplus sometime next year . Do you think that it would be worthwhile converting it into an Anoxic Filter by lining the provided baskets with mesh and filling with kitty litter ? I would be using it on a tank of either 100 or 170 Litres . I have some Laterite although I am not sure that I can get old style Kitty Litter here (Ireland) anymore .
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Thanks, I just thought it was for some craft use I didn’t know the name of it. The only thing about the ecco filters is the water Has to go through the medium baskets because of the way the water enters and exits the filter. That’s why I chose to Eheim classics are the ADA filter they’re made the old fashion way. Water comes in from the bottom and goes out the top..
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
theboesmani This is a link to youtube canal from Luke who convert an Eheim professional 3 filter to a anoxic BCB filter: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4uefD7acEiI.html I live in the Netherlands in in Europe we have a german aquarium products company JBL who have cannister filters who also can be converted the Lukeway to a BCB filter. I have one and I am thinking to convert him next year.
@theboesmani
@theboesmani 3 года назад
@@paulusdeboskabouter9753 Thanks, very interesting video .
@animalfrendo
@animalfrendo 2 года назад
Can you use turface instead of cat litter?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
And what is turf face?
@animalfrendo
@animalfrendo 2 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Turface is a soil conditioner. It is a calcine clay product used to improve drainage, reduce compaction, hold moisture, improve the CEC of the soil. The clay is mined in MS, then run through an oven at 1500 degrees. After the clay is baked at 1500 degrees, a permanent soil particle is produced which will never break down. Kind of like clay pottery, but very small pieces. It is commonly used as a substrate for bonsai.
@coreygowen636
@coreygowen636 3 года назад
I am sorry if I missed this in the comments, but is this adaptable to a sump filter setup? And if so, how? Thank you.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
yes it is good for a sump. I show the BCB in my sump in a video I did.
@julianryan7060
@julianryan7060 3 года назад
Thank you very much for sharing this Dr. Novak. How much laterite would you place in the filter? I recently found some on eBay if you're looking for a supply.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
let me know so I can give that info to other pls. Thanks.
@julianryan7060
@julianryan7060 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums I just checked the eBay seller I bought it from and its out of stock. I did find this place that have stock. aquascaping.in/index.php/api-first-layer-pure-laterite-567-gm.html Not sure if they ship internationally though.
@julianryan7060
@julianryan7060 3 года назад
I can get Duplarit which is Duplas brand of laterite from my local aquarium store if you want some i can ship i to you? It's powdered form though. The lot i bought recently was much more granular chunks. Sourced from One Research & Development. I am in Australia where it comes from apparently.
@sunilnirwana2131
@sunilnirwana2131 3 года назад
Special kitty not available in India though brand with Bentonite clay is available. Can it be used?
@rockfella27
@rockfella27 2 года назад
Hey Dr. Novak. EDTA Iron for foliar spray will work to inject in a BCB?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 2 года назад
Sorry that I don't know.
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
Dr Novak In the Netherlands we have catlitter made from Atapulgiet/Palygorskiet. Can I use that? Thanks in advance.
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
@@TubingTommy Thanks for the info. Found by Petsplace catty litter Happy Home Budget made of Atapulgite. Buy one and try it. So we can compare our findings.
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
Three weeks ago I installed a 60 liter aquarium with a slow moving plenum with a Eheim 2211 cannisterfilter like Dr Novak showed in his RU-vid canal about 2 years ago. For substrate I used just poolfilter sand 1-2mm nothing else. Seeing this video I am also going to make a BCB in the Eheim 2211. If everything went well after 6 months with aquarium with fish I am going to make a BCB for my other aquarium. This is a 100 liter Juwel Rio 125. In jan 2020 I set it up with also a slow moving plenum with a JBL Greenline E-902 cannister filter. Substrate with pool sand and Seachem flourite red as describe in Dr Novaks youtubefilms 2 years ago. If all goes well with the Eheim 2211 BCB I am planning to make a BCB for the JBL E-902 cannister just like Luke had done. The JBL e-series are perfect for that because how the water flows through the cannister. As prefilter I will use a Sunsun HW-603 (model without motor).
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
@@TubingTommy Bought yesterday that Petsplace litter and tried it this morning but it is not good. It seems worse than that of Linda. Small pieces and a lot of dust. When wet it became like pasta used for filling holes in walls. Now looking for oil dry used in garages and Zeolite.
@paulusdeboskabouter9753
@paulusdeboskabouter9753 3 года назад
@@TubingTommy Dr. Novak today I made a similar BCB like you for my cannister filter Eheim 2211. The BCB diam is 7 cm and height 10,5 cm. I filled it with this Hobby 20055 zeoliet, 1000 g, 5-8 mm: Amazon.nl and a 1 cm “tube” in the center with Seachem flourite red just like Luke did. The cannister filter has a diam of 9 cm. I am using it for my 50 liter planted aquarium I just set up with a slow moving plenum attached to the cannister like you have shown. If all goes well I will make an BCB for my JBL e902 cannister filter for my one year old 125 liter show aquarium who has already a slow moving plenum. I will use this zeolith ZeoPond: zeoliet voor vijver en aquarium - Zeolite Products (zeolite-products.com) because I couldn’t find good catlitter or oil-dry.
@vikkirountoit497
@vikkirountoit497 3 года назад
Please keep updating this with what works and what does not in your set ups. Looking forward to hearing more.
@toddslingerland6110
@toddslingerland6110 3 года назад
So how long will the flourish iron last, would you redose the flourish iron when servicing the filter pads? I was expecting a core of laterite or the Seachem Flourite Red as you had used in your previous baskets.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Basically it’s there just to start up the filter because the bacteria need the iron. Once the bacteria is establish it really doesn’t have to be re-inoculate except once every maybe 5 to 10 years.
@toddslingerland6110
@toddslingerland6110 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Now I understand, Thank you.
@PCLye
@PCLye 3 года назад
Fantastic ...Dr Novak ...if I use laterite soil and bake it... would it have the same effect as the kitty litter? ...if use kitty litter that is not clay...does it need to inject the iron ions?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
You can use pure laterite soil that would be just fine. Laterite is nothing but clay so that should work.
@kevinlam9159
@kevinlam9159 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Can I just use Seachem Red Fourite and no kitty litter?
@PCLye
@PCLye 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Thanks for the reply How to size the anoxic filter for 2000 liters tank?
@chriscaragiannis6783
@chriscaragiannis6783 3 года назад
Dr Novak would Seachem Flourish Iron or Flourite RED be a suitable substitute for what you used? Thank you for your videos. I'm trying to replicate your experiment using an Eheim classic canister using Oil-Dry. The Walmart kitty litter in Canada had very small (sand like) consistency and wouldn't work for me. Hopefully this works. Thanks again.
@vikkirountoit497
@vikkirountoit497 3 года назад
Hi Chris - have done this yet? Any experience to share?
@chriscaragiannis6783
@chriscaragiannis6783 3 года назад
@@vikkirountoit497 I’ve had my canister set up fr about 2 months now. I have Norma seen a reduction in nitrates yet. I’m experimenting with three tanks using different water conditioners (my city uses chloramine so most conditioners Glauber added binding agents for ammonia that has an effect on anoxic bacteria). Waiting to see if this works.
@vikkirountoit497
@vikkirountoit497 3 года назад
@@chriscaragiannis6783 Interesting - I use Seachem Prime to prep my aquarium water. I am hoping that I can continue to use it and that it will not cause a problem for the anoxic aspect of the plenum I'm setting up for 10g or for the BCB I plant to set up for the 75g. Thanks for your update!
@chriscaragiannis6783
@chriscaragiannis6783 3 года назад
@@vikkirountoit497 I’m trying three different types of conditioners to see if it makes a difference. So far no difference.
@rockfella27
@rockfella27 3 года назад
Hi Dr. Novak. Can we use kitty litter made of any type of clay or does it have to be of a specific kind/type?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
None clumping clay like that of Oil-Dri or Safe-T-Sorb and cat litter.
@rockfella27
@rockfella27 2 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Used Oil-Dri. Just 3 rinses and it was clean with no clumps.
@metealpaslan9176
@metealpaslan9176 3 года назад
Do you recommend the use of zeolite as a filter media? (Some types of zeolite are known as carcinogens). I would like to know your thougts on Zeolite use. Thank you
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Zeolite has been used in Thailand for quite a many of years with success. Their access to kitty litter like we have in United States is not very plentiful. The only kind they have over there is a kind it basically clumps and turns into mush.
@metealpaslan9176
@metealpaslan9176 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Thank you
@robertball9856
@robertball9856 3 года назад
Hi. Set this up on a 350l litre tank using a eheim classic 600 alone side eheim pro4 600. Nitrates went from 40+ to 5ppm in 3 days. Just carrird out test. However could the cat littre affect the ph ? My tap ph is 7.4 and tank is 8.4. Any feedback would be helpful.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Some say the BCB lowers their Ph and other say it rases their Ph. In my aquarium my Ph is 7.5 using a BCB, the same as my tap water. It could be that your water does not have enough buffers in it. Either try a resin like I show in my last video or a Ph down from your local fish store.
@shakes73499
@shakes73499 3 года назад
HI Dr. Novak can you use zeolite instead of kitty litter in the basket I cant get baked clay litter in the UK.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
I think a lot of hobbiest are using Zeolite cat litter in the UK with very good success.
@shakes73499
@shakes73499 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Thanks ill give it ago with Zeolite.
@balunggaydahon7818
@balunggaydahon7818 3 года назад
Hello doctor novak. I am from the philippines and i have been trying to make your BCB or at least pattern one from your design but we dont have the kind of kitty litter that you use. All we have here are the clumping bentonite kitty litter and if lucky, non clumping scented bentonite (which is really rare as well). Is there any other substitute doctor? Can i use crushed red clay pots as an alternative "macro"substrate? Also, is it possible to use the injectable iron dextran used in piglets as the iron source inoculant of your BCB and as replacement for the laterite core (or can the broken red clay pot be considered as laterite already)? And finally, can wood charcoal be used for the BCB or as a substrate substitute (and carbon source)? I really hope you could help me with these questions doctor. I value your input highly and with much respect. Thank you very much.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Bentonite: Do not use • Clumping cat litters are made of Bentonite clay, which sticks together when wet. The bentoniteis usually mixed with quartz and diatomaceous earth, which are absorbent. Other Clays: • Various types of clays are used for non-clumping cat litters. Zeolite, diatomaceous earth and sepiolite are common. • (Only use clay -Attapulgite-that has been mined from the earth, clean, baked, and pulverized such as Kitty litter.)
@gavinyuen040680
@gavinyuen040680 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums Dear Doctor, I am from Singapore, and i guess by know you realise how hard is it to get this sort of kitty litter elsewhere outside USA. I was wondering if you can quicky see if this can work www.amazon.sg/Premium-Litter-Natural-Performance-Maximum/dp/B01M8LRNHG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=diatomaceous+kitty+litter&qid=1612108190&sr=8-1
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
Sorry for so many questions, but i am just raring to try these methods with what i have available with me.. I have a cannister with compartment trays in it. Can i use a mesh bag with appropiately dense media ( keeping a gap of half an inch from the sides) in each of those compartments..will that work too? ( Of course, keeping a fine sponge above and below all these for the mechanical filtration part)
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Yes as long as the water is not forced through the bag itself then it will do.
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums i was doing some online reading up.. from what i understand as of now, any material which is porous, permeable, clay derivative and doesnt disintegrate should work.. i got the idea that they should have a good CEC..that will draw the ammonia in.. so keeping all those in view, can vermiculite be an alternative choice? Also, iron, can it be supplied as ferrous sulphate instead of laterite?
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
@@Kingshukpalchoudhury do not use vermiculite your tank will become a mess of cyanobacteria. Stick only to what I have tested or your outcome may not be favorable. This is how people fail by using the Anoxic system by trying to change it and then it fails on them.
@Kingshukpalchoudhury
@Kingshukpalchoudhury 3 года назад
@@anoxicfiltrationplenums thanks.. could you be so kind as to tell the reason/principle due to which vermiculite will fail? Since you suggested zeolite works.. Are there any other material you know of that works? Thanks again for the quick responses..
@zelphernide5758
@zelphernide5758 3 года назад
Since you added this to your parrot fish tank, wouldn't it obfuscate the results from the slow moving plenum? Unless you have another tank with parrot fish im unaware of
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
no, this would only help the biological filtration of the aquarium, with less maintenance.This would also be good for bare bottom tanks too. Like Discus tanks for example.
@anoxicfiltrationplenums
@anoxicfiltrationplenums 3 года назад
Plenums serve two purposes, one; they can have an effect on the reduction of Nitrates NO3 by negatively charging the substrate and keeping algae at bay by Dissimulative Denitrification. Two; they prevent the dreaded anaerobic situation that begins when oxygen is deprive from aerobic bacteria and favors that of anaerobic bacteria. This in turn will start what is called Assimilatory Denitrification and only make more ammonium ions that will go back into solution once again. Remember, a negatively charged substrate attracts positive ions like ammonium; these ions facilitate aerobic bacteria and facultative bacteria. Facultative bacteria has the ability to reduce the ammonium ion into Nitrates which it will then use its oxygen (Because it has three molecules of oxygen attached to one molecule of Nitrogen) and turn it into N2 known as Dinitrogen. This ability for the substrate to do this is because of the plenum: Which allows water to flow very slowly in and out of the substrate encompassing needed oxygenated water but never allowing it to become depleted of such. Inside the plenum redox always stays in the high mV values and never allows oxygen to dip below .5 ppm and stay in what is called an Anoxic State. Anoxic condition only means that oxygen is at 2-.5 ppm but not void of oxygen altogether. Without the plenum the substrate even with thriving plant life will turn black from anaerobic bacteria. There are three ways of bring oxygenated water into the substrate. One, by moving water through the medium with airlift tubes or a mechanical power source like a power head. But now you will have turned your undergravel filter into a mechanical filter too. Two, through heating cables laid on the bottom of the aquarium this intern will cause thermal convection. The trouble with this method is it only works in the colder winter months and not in the summer months when the ambient air temperature in the home is warmer. Plus, the cables may malfunction like they have on me and overheat the aquarium. Three, with a plenum that becomes eclectically charged inside the plenum itself and then through diffusion of ions will bring water into the substrate as needed. Plants will not do this with their root systems alone. This slow diffusion of water, oxygen and molecule interface will aid in plant root oxygenation and bacteria growth. You have a better chance of avoiding dead zones and bad microorganisms’ growth populations turning the substrate black from fermentation.
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