A look at the basics of the Limit Point as defined in Roadcraft for achieving the correct speed around corners/bends. #IPSGA #ridingtips #motorcycle #vlogger #advancedriding #iamroadsmart
Thank you Mike, you make Roadcraft text come to life with your channel. Very informative and very much appreciated by trainee advanced riders like me and all motorcyclists who want to become safer riders. Your channel was recommended to me by my RoSPA Tutor. Greetings from Dublin 👍
Yet another simple, easy to understand video from you Mike. You have done a good job with the graphics and on breaking it down into chunks that will be easy to digest.
Thanks David. I had to manually track the limit point frame by frame as none of the auto tools, in the video editing software, that lock on to a moving object could understand the concept of a virtual point that doesn't really exist 😂
Hey, Mike, just wanted to deliver a quick word of thanks for the content you create. I've just passed my IAM test (unfortunately not a first class but, hey, a pass is better than nothing) at the ripe, old age of 20 with only 3 months of observed rides. Your content, as well as people such as Reg Local, made everything super easy to research and understand and then eventually apply it all. My only problem at the moment is performing overtakes, I'm sometimes too hesitant and misunderstanding of safe gaps to use, but once that's sorted, plan is to do the mentoring the become an observer then go on to do my Master's. Again, thank you and keep up with the good work and I look forward to watching more from you in the future!
Dan, thanks for the feedback and congratulations on your test pass. It's this sort of comment that makes the effort worthwhile. With regard to overtaking it's always best to err on the side of caution. Thanks again.
I try to break the limit point down now into 3.... Closing = close throttle, holding = hold throttle and opening = open throttle.. Even simpler is to say "if you can't see around the bend, slow down until you can".
Thanks Mike, spot on, as always all the salient points explained in an easy to understand way. Oh, by the way, glad to hear your new teef are working just fine.
Hi Mike Really good one with this video Mike. Love the constant marker point of the limit point whilst you (in slow motion) ride round. The clip of the possibility of a early turn in with the van in the distance was really good. 👌 Really enjoyed that one and for some reason I now want a slice of cake 🍰 🤔😄
Thanks 👍Glad you enjoyed it. There always has to be cake, or bacon, when out on the motorbike. Just as well I've been doing a lot of hiking and cycling over the last year 😉
As an IAM victim (Associate) who to be honest has not found mastering all aspects of riding that easy, I love training material in short sessions like this and think they are excellent. Thank you Mike, can we have some more please. Apologies if this sounds greedy! Regards from Bracknell
Great to hear you found it useful Ray. If you click through on my name to my channel there's quite a few others. You can see them ALL by clicking on the Video tab at the top of my channel.
Nice video about nice simple bends but you will agree and as you said, they are not all like that. On the plains of the UK with good visibility one can get round bends easier. However in many places in the UK the bends are sharper or narrower or blind or as said tightening and so if one is merely used to this type of bend shown then one is badly mistaken as they are only a beginning.. In the north of England on the Pennines and west of them we have many fields full of growing grains and other vegetable produce and some roads and bends have high hedged to them as they do in the west country. Hedges that are so high one cannot see round them at all. They present a brick wall. What we now need to see is at what speed and how do we approach those types of bends the ones that are blind and can easily hide an obstruction.
The use of the limit point would be the same (which is what this video is about). The cross views through the hedges in these example bends don't reveal a lot of the road surface. Other road conditions (Information) may make changes to your speed irrespective of the limit point.
One can see and use the limit point or the vanishing point all of the time whilst on any road and in doing so one will become one of the safest users on the road today. Its not just used for taking corners or bends. As said in Roadcraft its the furthers point down the road ahead that you can see to be uninterrupted.ie clear and be able to stop in. So that means that at any time one can be following a car ahead of you and the distance that you give that car would be safe enough to stop in so so that is your limit or vanishing point. Then when you are on bends its not just to the roads limit point in the distance one needs to be aware of, its also the limit point to that vehicle in front. Its no use giving say 120 ft. of frontal space on a bend that you are taking at say 40 mph but its the actual distance to the vehicle in front of you as well and one should be 120 ft. behind that vehicle also at that speed. So often I see riders close up on vehicles on bends and give far less safe distance as a result. Unfortunately in some circumstances riders fail to realise that and will judge their speed and distance solely with regards to the bend only, disregarding the more immediate danger of and to the vehicle in front of them.
So often I see videos that show a bike leaned over and actually on or passing the Apex of a bend and as such the opening up of the road ahead can become apparent. Then whilst still at the optimum lean they may use acceleration or too much acceleration and in doing so whilst still with a lot of lean angle they may lose their rear end. It would be a lot safer if they follow through past the Apex and bring the bike more upright to a far lesser lean or indeed to a vertical position before any acceleration takes place. That is a far safer way to accelerate rather than being still in a far too greater lean angle
Mike, thanks for the guidance - really helpful. Do you have a video on braking techniques if part way through the bend you do see something appear at the limit point which then requires you to stop? We know we need to ride ready to stop under these circumstances and practicing actually doing it under safe conditions on a regular basis would help when it happens in reality.
Sorry for the late reply Richard. For some reason I didn't get a notification from RU-vid of your comment. I don't have such a video. I'll have to have a think about how best to do that. I can certainly talk through the dynamics of braking mid-turn but not sure how to demo it, as other than getting it badly wrong, there won't be a lot to see. The things to remember are not to snatch at the brakes, that the bike will try to sit up and head for the outside of the turn so you need to compensate with extra counter/positive steering, and finally as the bike does slow it will want to drop into the corner so you need to feather off the extra steering.
@@mikeroberts We already slow on bends as our country is full of curved roads [ slight bends ] and on going round those curves from time to time we do slow sometimes by merely de acceleration or sometimes by the use of rear brake also or if needs be both brakes, Just remember to take it easy, practise on some easy curves. Don't pull brakes full on as that could destabilise the biked. Understand that the the greater the lean angle that you have the less available grip that you have left for braking and or steering. So if we are on a curve with say a small 10 deg lean angle you still have some 90% [ approx ]of your braking and steering capacity left but if our a lean angle is of say 30 deg. you will now only have some 70 % left of that grip available to you. So just learn slowly, taking it easy and getting more used to the your and the bikes ability to take curves, then bends then corner. Obviously it best not to slow or brake on a bend but we all actually do it all of the time. Just don't grab a brake as that would stand you up and when doing so the bike would head out of that curve and steer you into a tangent and into a straight line either to the left or the right and that can put you in greater danger. That said and with practise some riders can intend to straighten the bike up and then more or less immediately lean the bike over again into another path and regain control. Otherwise one can counter steer whilst leaning over and that will reduce the radius on a bend and may afford you the ability to avoid whatever is in the way. Happy riding and be safe out there.
@Mike Roberts Just watched the second one again excellent ,I can see where I am not getting the line into corners properly i am leaving it either to late and also to soon going out shortly to find a stretch of road to try out some bends probably on the 1072 Ipswich to Sudbury road plenty of assorted left and rights on that many thanks ..
@@TheStevo3041 Hope the practice went well. This video on Bend Assessment follows on nicely. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VJatAJj9Tu0.html
Pradeep. Apexing is a line you might take through a very open bend. One you can see all the way through for a long way so the limit point is already is already in the distance. It's not something you get to use very often on the road.
Did you get a reasonable reply now, Pradeep? I'm not sure. The thought with the video is to get us understand the approach with the vanishing point - you know what that is now. After following this rule, the apex of a curve is were you are the closest to the sideline or mid line depending on what side you bend to. Here Roberts means that you shouldn't worry too much about the apex; it will fall where it will. And it's right what Roberts say, it's merely of major importance for racers - 'Hitting the apex' like, where they know the track and try to place the apex as precise as possible.
