2 things you didn't mention about Kira 1. The reason he got ran over by that ambulance was because the driver didn't see him, meaning he died because he was unnoticed. 2. He lived his life pursuing one goal, his fetish for severed hands. How ironic that he would start his afterlife by being dragged in by a bunch of ghost hands.
I love how the fate controlling Yoshikage "Luck Has Sided With I" Kira died by the random chance of a random vehicle accidentally running him over out of nowhere simply because of unluckiness.
When Kira announces that “luck is on the side of yoshikage Kira” that’s what gives him away to josuke and causes him to deactivate bites the dust. Literally him declaring that he’s triumphed over fate is what causes his fate to change. When he contradicts his philosophy of flying under the radar by shouting out his name, he is noticed by josuke, which leads to his downfall. Araki is a fucking genius.
Just like what Angelo said in the beginning of part 4. "You got too cocky and this will be your downfall" This perfectly applies here. Kira got too cocky, thinking that he's won, which lead him to break his one rule if staying hidden and the reason Josuke came. Lesson of the day: You can't surpass fate and if you try, fate will turn on you.
@@mrszmatan2727 Diavolos downfall was when he abandoned Doppio. The fourtune teller said that as long as both of them stick together, Diavolo will have great luck and always be on top. But the moment he left Doppio, he lost the arrow and fight.
@@spaghettipersonhello Epitaph, and by extension, King Crimson's ability is pretty much the ability to read fates. Diavolo can read the fate of others, and manoeuvre around that fate to his advantage. So, yes, fate does not usually change. However, after seeing fate laid out before him, and witnessing his own victory through Epitaph, he becomes cocky, only for Giorno to shut him down. How? Because GER has the ability to obstruct, or change fate. So usually, yes, fate does not change. But GER is the exception.
There's no more Dio in the story after he take Jonathan body, he could hate Joestar all he wants but he's a Joestar, he even products Joestars children from his blood, from his DNA.
@@typeouetco1626 isnt Araki done with Jojo now at part 8? I've heard once that he says he wishes to retire at 60 and it seems as if part 8 will end around that time
Another example of irony is how Pucci, a man who claimed to be a follower of god, was killed by Weather Report, a stand that resembles an angel, a messenger of god.
@@typeouetco1626 As the matter of fact, Pucci was killed by the power he wanted the most, is fate was to win against the joestar, and he became able to manipulate fate, but because he can change fate, he change is own fate for the worst and die. (At least, this how I see it).
Diavolo is ironically stuck in his “everlasting climax” because structurally in a story’s climax is followed by a falling action then a resolution. A resolution that GER took away forever. So Diavolo’s death is ironic in fate but also structurally through the narrative. Also I loved how the initial death in the loop was caused by a random drug addict in the sewer. Literally someone who was a the top of the drug pyramid in Italy was destroyed by some random at the bottom of it. The ironic result to Diavolo’s unjust effects on the world. Even without GER fate is punishing Diavolo with cosmic justice. All of this is just proof of the many onion layers that is Araki’s genius writing.
except you know that is stupid not only does such benevolent fate not exist in real life but also diavolo why would he be afraid of dying id he doesn't actually die, if his character was consistent he would commit suicide himself to avoid painful deaths while also abusing the revival to get more and more infinite knowledge, the same does to kars so what if he went to space there is something called gravity so its likely he would end up on a planet or something sooner of later then he could get the energy and mass necessary to navigate back to earth based on the stars position something that has existed since ancient times, the author is just arrogantly sneering at smart and ambitions people because they were rational instead of relying on power of friendship to attain their goals if anything it shows how much of a idiot the writer is
While everybody emphasizes the banality of Kira's death, Kira being pulled by the ghost hands is really great cosmic justice and a bit ironic since Kira was pulled to death by his fetish. Also alessi getting pummeled by a kid jotaro and oingo getting blown up by the orange.
Kira specifically likes women's hands that have smooth skin or what he seems "beautiful." Don't think the ghost hands were like that. But it is still ironic.
Joseph: He's the ultimate being on Earth! But he's from Earth. This planet gave him life. me: Oh I get it!! If Earth gives him life, then the only way to defeat him is to send him out to space!! Joseph: And it might take him back! *proceeds to crash into a volcano* me:...oh Really though I find Kars' fate pretty satisfying: he becomes the embodiment of every living being on Earth, but it's just Earth; when he's out of Earth, he's helpless.
Just for a bit of context, I would suspect that Kars freezing in space has to do with Tardigrades, aka Water Bears. They are microscopic life forms that can survive just about everything, including being stuck in space completely unexposed. And if they are in space and enter a sort of catatonic frozen state, when they return to a liveable climate they will be revived. That means that contrary to what is said in the video, Kars will never "Fizzle Out." Eventually, though it may take a millennia, he will very likely end up on some planet again and come back to life.
Oniat Araki directly says that he stopped thinking so it’s all for nothing. Besides, Kars only wanted to die after being trapped in space. He is most likely stuck in orbit around the sun.
@@elijahjarobi Yeah, Diavolo (and really part 5 in general) was always considered a pretty low tier villain before the anime and I hope that the part 6 anime gives the same treatment to Pucci as he's also an extremely great but overlooked villain imo
The irony behind Diavolo's death has even more layers than what is shown here. In the sewers, he's killed by a man who has gone mad thanks to the very drugs that he was peddling. It makes it look like he's about to have an ironic death by very problem he created, before flipping it over to show that fate was not so kind to him.
"the single most blatant example of cosmic irony" Dio being defeated by the loving hug of his brother that he only shared his disdain and hatred towards, instead of receiving the same hate back! Did I guess right?
No it was also ironic that the first episode of phantom blood is called DIO the invader and then the second to last episode of stardust crusaders is called DIOs world and jotaro invades his world
- Kira : When your name is literally *Lucky Shadow Killer* but your secrets are bring to *light* and your death is due to *bad luck* - Diavolo wanted to be an Immortal and Anonymous *King* so he will die forever without an *Epitaph*
"This apparently actually happened." The fact that ol' Ronnie Regan's assassination attempt is now being treated as a "YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A REAL THING" sort of fact makes me feel old. Of course it would be news to someone, but just like someone calling me "Sir" for the first time, it still caught me by surprise.
Major part 6 spoilers. Enrico Pucci, someone who calls himself a man of god and believes that his path to heaven is a rightous one is ultimatly defeated by true justice. The true path to heaven was not one filled with innocent people used as stepping stones (pucci viewed everyone in SO as a stepping stone), but one that followed the path of justice that eventually led to a wonderful world.
Also, Pucci's default Stand, Whitesnake, uses stealing, deception, and illusion, and it has DNA symbols on its body. Meanwhile, his brother's Stand, Weather Report, can control the weather, which is usually the domain of Gods. Also, even after Pucci "achieves Heaven" by getting the Stand Made In Heaven, Weather Report is still able to defeat him, almost easily.
MiH arc in a nutshell: *in an old man tone of voice* "AAND I SEW TO MYSELF" *Ochestra plays in the background* "WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD" *Ochestra somehow changes to Jazz*
The way Pucci was defeated by the hands of Emporio and Weather Report’s stand at the end of Stone Ocean. How ironic that a man with a stand that can speed up an infinite number of times. Died in a room all by himself screaming for mercy? Let alone the stand that kills him is the one his brother had.
Santana suffered quite an ironic fate as well. Santana hated humans as he saw them as dumber and more ignorance then the pillarmen (who themselves found him to be lacking intelligence as well) as reason enough to want all humans destroyed. However in his defeated he was prisoned and used as a lab mouse to be experimented on and watched over by the speedwagon foundation to help further human knowledge. the discoveries they made were obtained to try to "help" defeat the pillarmen ended up them achieve there the goal, the uv lamps causing Kars become the ultimate life form. So there are 2 layers of irony of Santana's defeat (4 ways If you include Kars' foolishness and his defeat)
Kira is dragged away by hands after encountering his first victim and being killed by a freak accident, despite thinking luck is on his side Diavolo was able to skip the cause and keep the effect but now is stuck constantly at the cause(dying) but can not reach the effect(death). His first death is from one of the junkies he caused and he can no longer see the future. Pucci succeeded in making a new universe, but instead of a universe without the Joestars, it’s a universe without him Valentine dies multiple times for his goals, similar to how he constantly and carelessly threw away the lives others for his goals. His final death destroys his body, just like how his stand destroys the body of his victims. Ultimately he succeeds in getting America the corpse and keeping it away from a selfish person, but it can never be used.
Dio: Hoo boy. In Part 1, his quest to make himself above everyone and to never be looked down upon again ends up with him literally below everyone and stealing the body of Johnathan, indirectly admitting Johnathan's superiority. In Part 3, he is killed due to the very power that he thought made him invincible.
I would like to add -diavolo seems to get deaths related to his mischiefs (drug, murder and kids, for 3 out of 4) -Pucci and Dio both died in the same kind of irony. DIO was killed by the joestar, and Pucci by weather report's stand
A contrast to Dio and Pucci is that even after Dio died, his legacy lived on to affect the next 3 parts. But when pucci died, he was erased from history, and will never leave any legacy.
Dio as he was was a character LITERALLY named God in Italian, his plans always being destroyed and thwarted in his plans for perfection, and to transcend his own humanity and mortality
@@kaedenle its supposed to line up with Golden Heart, Golden Ring and Shameless Purple Haze. Its why Fugo was shown as the "spirit" of Narancia flew away. The point is they were very close friends, and its not entirely out of the question that DP wanted to drive that home.
@@XixiAkane I'm 100% sure they were friends, but I'm more referring to the dying alone part. Alot of characters in fiction die alone and, in Narancia's case, I dont think that there's any significance to Narancia dying alone.
@@kaedenle SPOILER WARNING That's selling a lot of the deaths in the series short tbh. Araki develops has deaths post part 1 to be very sudden, brutal, and lonely to emphasize the point of the deaths. Ceaser, Kakyoin, Shigechi, Reimi, Rohan (he got better), Bucharati (first time), Abbaccio.... Well, you get the point. Narancia isn't alone in the "poignant, lonely death club" Araki makes. And its a lot more prominent in Purple Haze Feedback than the manga or even the anime. The way it hits Fugo, and to a lesser extent Mista, Trish, Giorno, Bruno, and the audience, is the point. Whether Narancia's last thoughts were on Fugo or not, he was easily the most crushed, haunted by it all throughout the light novel, and the other's raw reactions to his death punctuate a very brutal, undeserved death of our sweet dumbass orange boy. Plus that final shot of Fugo and Abbaccio's resting place isn't in the manga, either. DP took liberties on a lot of the manga (torture dance for example), and I don't think the changes make it any worse. In fact, plenty enhance what Araki had already like that. Its fine if you don't agree. Just my 2 cents.
@@XixiAkane I'm not saying that the changes were bad. I'm trying to define the *original intention* behind Araki's writing. This is why I dont like to use any added on stuff from the anime or non-cannon light novels not written by Araki. While they may be great in quality, I'm not too sure Araki meant for these to be apart of his intention when he was originally writing Part 5.
Kars: “dies” ironically because he seeked immortality and as a result, could not die, leaving him floating in space forever Kira: dies ironically because he wanted to live a quiet life where no one noticed him, and died by not being noticed by the ambulance driver. Diavolo: dies ironically because he thought fate was on his side but was killed by fates decision Dio: never skip leg day
Dead Man's Questions also serves as more cosmic irony for Kira, because it shows that after he got felt up by all those ghost hands he was forced into a life where, because of the rules of life as a ghost, he has to feel the constant paranoia he used to instill in the protagonists of part 4. he even loses his hand (for the what, like 4th time?) when he's a ghost.
Interesting take on Kira. I always saw him as a disease disguised daring to live in a town he is harming. I saw the Dwang gang and the ambulance as analogous to antibodies
2:44 kars 4:38 Kira Off topic I just wanna say it amazes me how well his art improves later on even tho he didn't really need to since his art was really good to begin with.
I think you can even see that the characters in JoJo even recognize this concept of the "allmighty fate" interfering with the course of the events as seen by Joseph saying that the earth itself "wanted" Kars to be gone. I interpretate that as maybe a supernatural allmighty being (or concept) forcing the events in the story to change with its own free will(you could call it "fate"). GER explaining to diavolo his cosmic irony that will happen to him before he MUDA MUDAs the fuck out of him without Giorno stating that himself shows that very directly, because its his Stand who says that-a supernatural being coming from unknown origins maybe being the manifestation of the power of "fate" given to the characters in the show. So the concept of inevitable fate interacts with the characters of the storys on its own free will. There are a lot more events and characters showing this aspect of JoJo. This was just my interpretation, i love JoJo for having this (at first) unexpected depth(of course only one reason why this anime/manga is so great). Also very good video as aleays ocean boy.
GER also say something about anyone who apose him shall perish so mabye this is fate telling people to stop using stand abilities to take the easiest way out
Spoilers for part 7: Johnny growing as a person and stand user, becomes super op, defeats the main villain of the part, and yet loses to an alternate version of his rival who always was one step ahead of him. Irony, Johnny loses to the one person he was suppose to beat in the end of the part, another irony, Diego beats Johnny *who was stronger than Diego * and is killed by a normal non stand user girl after reaching his goal
@@SmartCreeper the cosmic irony is that he was chained to the fate of the original universe: Killing Di(eg)o only to be killed/beaten by the same person when it seems that the story has passed its climax.
The irony (imp) is Valentine's he wants to make his country great be getting the corpse and to be a great president, but in order to do so he has to murder and evey other thing only to get the one thing he thinks is good for his country and yet he gets defeated be a man who's only goal is to get the corpse for his own,
there's another example of cosmic irony in Jojo or at least i think. in part 1 it's started when Dio "invades" Jonathan's life and stole everything from him (his father, "friends", first love, his life, and eventually his body). however in part 3 the former met his end by one of the latter's descendants who not invades his "world" (by moving while time stopped) but also stole the very power that made him invincible (the whole the "same type of stand" thing) and turn it against him. that's outright karma if you ask me.
Very old comment I know. But this still fits in with “fate” in Jojo. Pucci was killed by Weather and Emporio specifically because of his own actions, and he was essentially erased from the new universe spawned from his death. DIO absolutely did not win either. Both he and Pucci were forgotten in the new universe, while their enemies lived new, peaceful lives. Many of whom were freed from the terrible fates of the Joestar bloodline.
I'm so glad you brought attention to the contradictory, duplicitous conflict at the very heart of Kira's character. That realistic, slowly-revealed clash between what he professes to hold important (a peaceful life devoid of conflict) with what he is clearly shown to relish by the end of the part (toying with and torturing those who are powerless to fight back) is part of why he's such a fantastic villain for me, and the fact that a lot of people miss that aspect of his character entirely and just go "I like Kira cuz he had a lot of good points actually" really makes me sad. Fantastic stuff as usual, and I'm excited to see what you have in store next.
I love how every villain get ironic death in every part and in part 8 there is ni villain but instead the main theme with Rokakaka is irony itself, being equivalent exchange
@@AD_Nelson Counter counter counter counter arguement: Pucci didn't really achieve heaven because Emporio was able to beat fate by beating the shit out of him
@@illogicallogics Also Emporio's attack was able to beat Pucci only because Pucci was already hurt by Jolyne. So the Joestar legacy destroyed Dio's plans again.
@@piotrjankowski9177 Also also the only reason Emporio was there to beat Pucci was because Jolyne saved him, and Jotaro saved Jolyne, and in turn Jonathan's protection of Erina in the end of Phantom Blood led to Jotaro being born.
Not to mention that while Diavolo is busy with his infinite death loop, the world forgets about him and moves on to a new Passione boss and a new story. And, the requiem arrow that was eventually Diavolo's undoing was introduced by Polnareff. Diavolo was so confident in his stand's invulnerability that his end was brought about by a man he forgot. Or how the drug trade that made him so powerful only turned Bucciarati and Giorno against him. He sought ultimate power to be able to hide from everyone, but really staying powerless would have been his best bet at hiding from the world. Or for Dio, how his habit of playing with his prey got him killed. It's like the universe (Araki) thought "Ok then Dio, if you insist on showing off your op ability rather than just killing them all, I'm going to give the one Jojo who takes no shit from anyone the same op ability and see how you like it." And in an example of fate seeming to work against the good guys, Dio succeeds in killing Jonathan, and steals his body to live for a hundred years and become more powerful than ever before. That... actually brings up an interesting point. Jonathan was the most noble and merciful of the Joestars, and yet he was the one who couldn't defeat his enemy. Perhaps Jojo fate doesn't think much of mercy. Jonathan never wanted to kill Dio, even in the end he simply held the vampire's severed head in his arms. On the other hand, maybe in the long run that just screwed Dio over the most. Every time he had a chance to turn away from his evil path, he refused, and just pushed and pushed until he found a Jojo who pushed back harder.
Something I found ironic was how in Phantom Blood, Jonathan said something along the lines of "Your brains and my brawn, we can do anything!", and then by the end, Dio literally has Jonathan's brawn and his own brains.
Honestly, we would care more about analyse literature if it were a topic or media we like like comic, movie,... and doesn't get bound by teacher's standard.
It's also ironic how Kira, the man with the hand fetish, had his soul torn into pieces by a supernatural force represented by many hands. almost as if they were the ones he had killed himself...
Could you consider making a video especifically talking about Giorno or Bruno's gang, their significance, roles, etc? (I just want more of "The brilliance of golden wind", really, but....)
By the way, Araki also made the manga "Dead Mans Question" which is about Kira after his death, assasinating people for money as a ghost to seek happiness.
- Kars: Became the undying Ultimate Lifeform of Earth...and got banished from Earth by complete surprise and can't end himself when trapped in outer space. - DIO: Wanted to stand on top of the world...and by gaining a Stand, he ended up giving one of his enemies a similar power. - Yoshikage: Always believed that luck was on his side...but his overconfidence led him into a streak of bad luck. - Diavolo: Stood above all by constantly cheating fate...only to be trapped in a fate that he can no longer foresee. - Pucci: Looped the timeline to alter history to his liking...and ended up being removed from time itself. - Funny Valentine: Passed misfortune away to an endless supply of alternate selves...only to be struck with a misfortune he couldn't get away from.
4:27- And while the jury's out on Santana/San Viento. Esidisi having been willing to sacrifice his high status as a proud Pillar Man to use a body possession hostage in order to get the Stone to Kars- succeeding in his objective until Kars ruined it by taking too slow to retrieve the Stone- negating the sacrifice. Wamuu risked everything to gamble even the smallest chance of victory, leading to his win against Caesar by using the opening from the latter by enduring the pain and getting the excellent fight he wanted from Joseph by going all out. Kars taking the easy way out is punished by having his Lisa-Lisa trap backfire- only through some suffering to put on the Mask- only to negate the suffering entirely to get all the benefits of being the immortal Ultimate Life Form- to which Fate punishes him by using that to both protect/imprison him for the foreseeable eternity.
Kira was obsessed with blending into the crowd and not being standing out Yet his knack for going unnoticed caused an ambulance to run over him and crush his face
One example of irony in jojo that i heard of was that if dio didnt have his stand his most broken ability jotaro had no way to defeat him making dios most powerful ability also his achilles heel that cuased his demise.
If dio had some kind of utility stand with high endurance jotaro would have never been about to kill DIO Because of the vampire's regenerative abilities.
funny thing about Kira's death. He wanted to live a quiet life and common life. Kinda just wants to be in the backround. He's killed by being run over, one of the most common ways to die
One of the themes of part 5 is actually overcoming fate, epitaph shows the fate of the next 10 seconds and time erase allows diavolo to escape his own fate, epitaph fated giorno to die in the final battle but instead giorno overcame the fate that diavolo controls with GER and put him in an infinite death loop
Risotto nero telling doppio whoever gets excited is the one to die yet his death was because of the fact he was trapped in his excitement and couldnt finish the job despite his competence.
Another example of Kira's irony is how the ambulance kills him. Quite simply, the driver didn't notice him. The man who spent his entire life trying not to be noticed by anyone gets killed for that exact reason.
This factor is one of the most interesting part of Jojo's plot to me, as I love themes that circle around like that. Also saying "Destiny" and showing Destiny's Child absolutely killed me
Something to add to Kira's death is that the reason he got run over was because the driver couldn't see him. He spent his whole life trying to go unnoticed, only to be killed when he succeeds.
