Could a Massive Change Be Coming for Star Wars Legion Soon? New Edition On the Horizon? 

I couldn't have expressed it better

I definitely would love a point increase, legion is definitely not skirmish. Curious why you think that it appears to be..?

@sirbobbya compared to other miniature games, Legion is closer to a skirmish in its scope than games like Warhammer, Age of Sigmar, Flames of War, etc. I believe this was just FFGs preferred scale. They did the same thing with X-Wing and Armada. While all of these games can scale to a larger game, they all start to feel a lot slower. At their skirmish scale, these games feel comparatively snappy to most of their larger counterparts. That's part of what makes them so good.

I hope they don't do standard loadouts, I hate those so much

I like and agree with alot of your points. The only one I'm somewhat opposed with is the larger games. I even thought at one time legion had official rules for it called epic but maybe Im confusing it with xwing... Anyways I agree with your point of legion taking long enough as is, I find that whenever I increase the points of a legion game above 800 (even its not much like say 100-200 points) It drastically increases the play time. As you mentioned it has something to do with more activations being present (and larger potential for each unit to do stuff compared to say 40k), especially on the first 2 turns it takes awhile. I notice it every time and I think that's the main reason larger scale should be incorporated into some kind of alternative game mode for legion play, and it should be something that's supported + encouraged maybe with an AT--AT that can only be used in those larger point games, or unique command cards only usable in large scale battle... like a more powerful orbital bombardments, maybe a unit reinforcement card to replenish a deleted squad... possibilities are endless! Also could allow team games! But at the end of the day the pace of the game is designed for that standard 800 points, or even less I have had a lot of fun with 400pt skirmishes as well. I hate standardized loadouts, keep that shit out of legion please and thanks. Sadly I think your assessment is correct mainly because atomic mass barely does any new generic upgrade cards as is (like seriously the only ones they make nowadays are upgrades only usable by one specific unit/character) its sad but I think they just want to do standardized loadouts to avoid actual work with balancing their games, and instead neuter it. I really don't care for nor understand the appeal of shatterpoint, I agree that at this point it should really be its own thing and legion shouldn't bend to the lesser+newer game, it makes no sense... If atomic mass really wants more hero's in legion make a separate game mode for it (like what I was saying with the larger scale games above) its that simple.... and again if you want people to actually play it support the mode with product and new things exclusive to it so people have a reason to try it.

Welcome aboard!

I'm pretty sure your minis will be fine!

Minis very rareky become redundant. Like a unit that is really good might suddenly suck but its not likely. We will probably see some rules changes and maby some mission/campaign stuff

i doubt anything would be made useless, but newer sculpts may look cooler for some old soft sculpts

Yeah. They basically killed X-Wing overnight here in NZ. So few people play now, and since I flew tie swarms and mini swarms with aces, they basically said I can't play the way I want anymore with their new rule set with how generics are just not viable. Will still play casual 2.0 at my place with friends, but yeah, it's basically gone now.

2.0 completely killed that game for my community as well. I can still get people to play games of 1.0 every now and then in person but its become one of those tabletop games I'm lucky to play more than once a year... Compared to when I use to play in store events+tournaments every other week with like 10+ tables of xwing + armada going.

​@camwardart Tom isn't actually reffering to X-Wing 2.0. He's referring to when AMG changed the rules from 2.0 to X-Wing 2.5. 2.0 was still going strong right before Covid with the Europe Open Qualifier having 310ish people in it February of 2020. Then Covid hit. As players started returning early 2021 to in person games, AMG dropped 2.5 rules and the game was shattered.

@dblevins343 you are partially right. But I was referring to 2.0 where Xwing went from a game of "space dogfighting" to an objective based tabletop game with spaceships. In my eyes it killed what xwing was all about.

@tomd3395 2.0 doesn't have scenarios though. 2.0 was still "dog fighting" like 1.0 and was still developed by FFG at the time. The only difference was card board changed and the points went from 100pts for a list to 200pts to add granularity. 2.5 is what AMG introduced which is when scenarios were added.

How do you know when the events like ministravaganza are? I’m new to AMG

@@seanrishel Keep watching this channel. You will be well informed of everything AMG. But you can follow their social media channels as well.

Yep. The Battle Forces are a great step in that direction.

Careful what you wish for. AMG may go a bit deeper into the predetermined lists than we expect. It's what they did to X-Wing by essentially only ever adding Standard Loadouts.

Good catch! I'm looking at it now and you're right

Completely agree, we can only hope they don’t

The last rules update stopped me from playing full stop, id be open to improvements though.

@@Jak0vas same honestly (though didn't help that I never seemed to win for the life of me no matter how much practice I had, and only went up against competitive players)

you might be nameless but i am defantly a commander

Yes exactly I think having the 2 options should be available

Be careful what you wish for. The X-Wing community said the same thing before 2.5 dropped. I do believe AMG has a better understanding of Legion than they did X-Wing, but they still have their preferences that I don't think most Legion players would agree with. If I had to guess, they'd prefer a points system more in line with what they do in MCP and now X-Wing 2.5. Set loadout points with a lot less room for customization. If they did a 2nd edition (or 1.5) I wouldn't be surprised if they started releasing Standard Loadouts either.

Yeah, that's my fear.

Agreed, and I'd hope they start to promote the Special Operations game mode more too~

I don’t why shatter point had to be a completely different game and wasn’t just a different game mode of legion. We could have; Star Wars Legion: Battle Grounds (The current game of Legion we know and love) Star Wars Legion: Special Operations Star Wars Legion: Shatter Point Star Wars Legion: Assault

@@themaskedg33k I agree. I felt they should have just used Legion miniatures, like a Hero vs Villain game mode really. Though obviously I understand why they'd want to sell more products via new minis, doesn't mean I have to like it. There's something to be said for a game that has minis that are supported over multiple systems 😥

And more sensible LOS rules

Larger games can take awhile but they are gorgeous!

I believe that, in Bolt Action, units appear on the table only on the turn they actually enter the game. That would speed up Legion play, by cutting back on the deployment phase.

Mantic did this with Fire Fight. It was fun edition of the game.

@@lordnovas didn't know they did that, glad to see my idea has worked in the past

Speaking as someone with a Grand army that has been collecting up to 1600pts for 3 years with a specific goal army in mind...

i do 3200 point games on a 6ft by 4 ft table and honestly it doesn't feel cramped if you do your terrain right.

I will say, the size shouldn't be a big issue. Compared to games that are much larger, Legion has a ton of space for movement.

OHHHHHH!!!!!! Had another idea and didn’t want to double post. On Iden you can choose to run her as an Operative instead of commander. You can run an Imp Officer/Rebel Officer/Clone Commander/etc. as a unit upgrade or as a Commander itself. What if they introduce a way to do that with Sabine, to use your example. Can run her Operative card, or can run her in Ghost Squad as a slightly lesser version, but in the squad itself. Would open the door to go the opposite way as well. Echo running a battle force of Arc Troopers. Fives as well. Rebels getting some named unit upgrades or run them as commanders/operatives. You got my gears turning on some fun ideas.

I've taken 6x Rebel troopers with Z-6s plenty of times! granted that was in the earlier days ha ha!