"Could I live with an EV?" - here's the truth as I see it about how most people could have one. 

What about the 45% of people who cannot charge at home? How do you convince them to use public chargers costing 69 or 79 pence per kWh, which makes an EV more expensive to run than a petrol car?

@@Kevin-dp1vy My plan in next year or two is to charge once a week at public chargers, some are still 25p/kWh, most are 47p/kWh (still cheaper than diesel), some are free, or take a Tesla membership for @ £9 a month and get access to their fast chargers (same ones as in video) for as low as 22p/kWh fast charge at off peak rates.

Sounds like you only do short journeys !

​@Kevin-dp1vy in the UK, 25% of homes don't own a car. 60% have off road parking. That leaves just 15% of homes with a car but no off road parking. That's a fair way off 45%. Where on earth did that figure come from?

@@pauldavies6037 We're both retired so no commutes & true we don't do any long trips in it these days.

Gods own country up there, the NC500 is spectacular.

I just came back from a 2 week vacation in Scotland. We stayed at a castle, remote hotel and a cabin. there were 2 chargers about a quarter of a mile from the cabin. Both said 'out of order'. I'm sure you can plan your entire trip around finding working chargers to wait at, but I didn't have to do that; because the car had a real engine in it, so we decided where and when we wanted the car to go, not the other way around.

​@user-jb2om7cm8m just because your vehicle has an internal combustion engine does not absolve you from doing a modicum of planning, does it. Are you going to embark on a road trip in a diesel hoping they sell diesel somewhere where you want to go? (I live in North America, diesel is not as common here as it is in Europe) Are you going to risk fueling up at some hole-in-the-wall place with fuel storage tanks that have started to rust because they are decades old? I wouldn't. The infrastructure for ICE vehicles has the advantage of being older, so that most of the unreliable or expensive players have managed to fall off or got acquired. This will happen to chargers too. You can still vote with your wallet today though. As others have pointed out, here, and on other channels, you can get a Tesla membership today and enjoy lower rates. The membership usually pays for itself in one charging session. But just like you wouldn't only go to Shell stations with an ICE car, you don't have to only go to Tesla. As Ian demonstrated, there are other options available, like CPS. Leverage them.

@@PeterWroblewski-xv9br Where did my reply say I had an ICE ?

@user-ms7vm8gu9m when I saw "the car had a real engine" I assumed. Shame on me.

@@PeterWroblewski-xv9br Sure, I planned our trip- around places we WANTED to go. I'm not flying half way around the world to experience the charm of Scottish parking lots. Charging infrastructure will never equal the convenience of gas stations. The reason gas stations occupy prime real estate on main roads, intersections, on/off ramps is because they can afford to- they can serve a dozen customers in 5 minutes. This high traffic also makes a profitable convenience store viable. You'd need a football field of chargers for that volume. Besides that, EV owners avoid public charging like the plague- so there's never going to be the demand for them anyway.

Now the reason people give the 5 minutes is this. I NEVER go out to fuel my car. What I do is I combine my refuelling with my shopping. 0.6 miles away from home and try to do on way home after being out so no short driving. So I drive to the right of the filling station on way into the supermarket and then call into the filling station on the way out rather then drive around and down the left of the filling station then drive through and fill up, then drive home. It literally is 5 minutes to stop, do the card, fill up. And not in the shop more then 10 minutes so not going to get much charge done in that time. I have no idea where they get on average an hour in shop to do weekly shopping. Now if I could charge at home then I would quite happily have an EV. However as I cannot (1st floor flat and off road parking bay the other side of the road so dragging a cable across a road not a path) then just don’t make sense. Charge at work - work from home so my car is not able to charge there. I work for logistics company where go out and setup new warehouses, being new they don’t have charging points fitted until after I have finished so no charging there. Established ones are being refitted but cannot say that will be where I am visiting. Local charging points - Tesco where limited to 3 hours and is 44p KWh. Or there is supercharger at 85p KWh leaving town to get onto trunk road. There is a Tesla supercharger bank about 20min away. Now when go out for work then need full charge as cannot charge at destination and work is not going to want to pay me to be sat charging the car. So tesco - is a 22Kw charger so would need to take to tesco, leave it, walk home, go collect it later to not pay fine. Take back later on and finish charging. So two charging visits to get full battery up or pay the 85p and sit 20min at the supercharger or go out of way to go to Tesla. Servicing - once a year combined with the MOT visit so not really losing out there. Even dave takes it on recognises that EV don’t currently work for everyone and that I am one of those people. Changed car last year and went with a self charging or full hybrid. Those short bits in town on EV and petrol/EV for the longer journeys. Like I said earlier if I could charge from home then an EV would be fine. in fact would be a Tesla Model Y LR. With that then 95% of journeys could be done without public charging. I looked up quickly on Halifax mortgage calc and assuming 1.). Got full price for my flat 2.). Paid asking price for cheapest home with driveway in local town As am currently mortgage free - lived in flat 27 years so mortgage all paid then would be 925 a month, so no way is it worth moving to home charge. Most journeys around the 2 hour mark and motorway so within non stop each way so at fast charging in 20minutes then is dead time for me, though work would still be paying me but hey wouldn’t be too happy with me. Oh and I have a fuel card for work so the petrol doesn’t cost me for work journeys whereas would have to pay charging and claim per mile for EV. Is one of the reason you also hear “rich man’s toys” thrown out as to really benefit then home charging is required, one guy earlier this year was reporting that -8p on his EV tarrif so got paid to charge his car. Work does expect to have an EV as company car and have to fill out a form as why cannot have one. Even though work is very pro EV then they recognise that not going to work for everyone.

£8500 is a big saving on fuel costs ,onto blame you having a Tesla if that is the result

All I hear there is, I’ve had my Nokia, (Leaf) and my Motorola (i3) but I’m just going iPhone now (Tesla) because it just works.

Is there any time limit on using the free milage offer ?

@@_Dougaldog not that I’m aware of, the only issue is that the order needs to be placed by the 25th June and picked up before the end of the month

@@graham1155 Thanks for update, too short notice for me at the moment, but soon perhaps. I'm sure the offers will happen regularly as sweeteners.

@@_Dougaldog take it for a test drive, I was very impressed. The air conditioned seats were a big bonus today. I did come away with a new appreciation for my CUPRA born though, I hadn’t realised how good it is.

Is this just a owners event? I’m near by in Oxford

@@fanfeck2844 I believe it’s open to non-Tesla owners as well. The event link is: teslaowners.org.uk/supercharged-2024

And If you're driving less than 10 miles a day.. you'd only need to spend about 3 minutes every 6 weeks filling up with gas

I realise the main audience for this video is in the UK, but for a wider perspective - you need to consider living in a Bushfire / Flood / Tornado / extreme cold high risk region. I live in a relatively “posh” area near Perth, Australia. It’s heavily forested, highly flammable trees and undergrowth, and sketchy road network. Plenty of my local community do have Teslas, but they also have a large ICE 4WD, for hopefully obvious reasons. If I were in the UK and doing typical UK miles my money would be going on a hybrid.

​@@penpondssome versions of Tesla are all wheel drive, so I don't see the obvious reason 500 miles will take you about 8 hours. Are you really willing to risk the life of your mum/dad/aunt maud by delaying the hospital visit that much?

What if you keep the car for ten years?

@@robertwhite3503 that's your choice but after 10 years you are looking at 20% of the original purchase price left if not a little bit more so depends on mileage and condition

Idon’t get it, imo lease is always more expensive than purchase.

@@frankvanhooft3927 not after depreciation is taken into account ,the higher purchase price of the vehicle the more depreciation hits as a percentage of the price

@@frankvanhooft3927 The problem is that EVs are a new technology so people are nervous of buying older cars. There are Tesla's with large mileages that are quite old and still running fine. However this is not well known. If you own the car and are not planning on selling it, then there's no problem. For people buying secondhand it's a huge advantage. The first Tesla Model 3 was built in 2017, but there weren't many at that time. The batteries are warranteed for 8 years and 100k miles, I think. But there are batteries running at 400k miles, I think.

Public charging can, but doesn't have to, be expensive. Not in a Tesla. I did not have home charging for basically the first year of owning our Model Y. We had to Supercharge. It was cheaper than gas. Then I learned of an even cheaper way, by installing a home charger in a way I thought was safe and which did not require an electrician to do so. So I thought, why not make things even cheaper? Yes, there will be an upfront investment in all the equipment, but the convenience alone was going to be worth it. I live in North America and my car charges overnight at $0.08/kWh now.

A brand new vehicle may be expensive, but if a used one would fit, go pre-owned... the locomotion savings and a lot less maintenance are worth it IMO

I sold my EV6 and bought a model Y. Very happy with my choice.

@@stephenmiller6690 were you unhappy with the EV6?

Actually I loved the EV6 but when the issues they are still having with charging began I bailed. After multiple failures to charge (level 2 at home) I said no more. They claimed they had a fix last year and are still issuing updates to try to finally get it right. All that being said the Tesla, especially the software, is so much better. So while loved the EV6 i just did not trust it anymore. Now add in the Supercharger network and can understand why I bought the model Y.

You could. I'd like to see a person biking to a store. They could hitch a child carrier trailer and transport groceries. I hope they don't buy ice cream though. Or have to bike in inclement weather. Or uphill. Or all of the above 😅

What a brilliant idea!

A furry shoulder thing for my wife

🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's the thing; the reason range is a non issue in IC cars is because you can stop anywhere and you're back on the road in minutes anyway- no need to plan anything, it's up to you exactly where and when you want to go, not the car. I wouldn't want an EV for free.

Sorry you had a bad experience. Tesla are cars - there’s always a lemon somewhere

Your EV can only be charged 24/7 if you’re co-located with a charger. And for the foreseeable future petrol stations will far outnumber charging stations.

@@penponds I think you misunderstand my points which are of course purely personal .I live in the UK in a small town. At home my car is always next to a charge point and I can adjust my charging sessions to fit my needs. At present I only use low priced electric during the night, BUT, if I want I can fuel up at any time, only the price differs. When away from home, or if I did not have a home charge point I can use any of the public charge points in the UK , some 60000, or if visiting a friend their own charge point. Failing that I can use any 13amp three pin plug socket with my portable EVSE. Apart from a few isolated buidings mains electricity is available 24/7 almost everywhere I go, and the PAYG charge points are mostly 24/7 contactless payment or by 24/7 phone apps. I have 'filled up' at an isolated charge point after midnight in the middle of nowhere with no problems. The nearby petrol station was closed for the night. In the village where I lived as a child the local filling station (mile and a half away ) has closed now the nearest is three miles away. In the village where I lived 30 years ago three petrol stations have closed, the remaining one is daytime only . In the Town where I now live eight former petrol stations have now closed, leaving much reduced choice for the driver and putting them at risk of profit taking by the remaining Supermarkets. (Those supermarkets have or are installing EV charge points) There is often a queue at the pumps during main shopping hours. I suggest that the future is electric, at least for personal transport.

It really isn’t a problem particularly if you gat a Tesla, unless you do a lot of long journeys you will probably only have to top up once a week at a supercharger which is quick and cheap and you can watch RU-vid or whatever while it charges.

@@wowbagger66 yeah that’s a good point 👍🏻 I really don’t cover a lot of miles unless we’re going for a trip. I think I’m more bitter cus of the lack of incentives financially compared to EU and USA.

@@Richard_Barnes Incentives are also disappearing in some parts of Europe, Germany recently got rid of theirs at least in part because about 20% of sales where from people buying cheap EVs in Germany and selling them in neighbouring countries for a profit.

As there is no service schedule to maintain, I can confirm that it is covered

In a Tesla you enter your destination in the SatNav. It will find the supercharger(s) you'll need to stop at. It will tell you your ETA, the charge %age on arrival, how long you need to stop for and how many charging bays are free. On arrival, plug in the cable, charge for the shortest time required, unplug the cable and drive away. The charger knows your car and automatically bills your account. See my comments elsewhere on the video that my last long journey of 370+ miles needed one 12-minute stop at a Tesla Supercharger to complete my journey. One key point - 'empty' batteries recharge faster than 'full' batteries, so just put your faith in the car/satnav/supercharger and it will make sure you're stopped for the minimum total time. Hope this helps.

Thanks for watching! And then commenting so that I can reply and like your comment! Really helps the algorithm promote my content

I confess. A period of time has occurred between the video being recorded and the video going out. The offer may have changed…

I’ve just clicked on owners manual on the app, then maintenance. The only annual anything is “clean and lubricate brake calipers”. And that is a recommendation.

I think if all passenger vehicles were to become EVs overnight (in any country), consider what would happen to the price of gasoline or diesel... nothing happens overnight, so while some concepts can be considered in theory, they would rarely happen in real life. This is where time is on our side -- we see where things are headed and why, and we have the luxury of figuring out "Should we be changing course? What problems are we likely to encounter if we stay the course? Do we have solutions? If so, let's implement them; if not, let's come up with some" I am an engineer, so not only do I identify potential pitfalls, I also look for solutions. Do I have answers today? No. Does that mean I should stop looking for them or inventing them? Also no. I have not needed to send a fax in decades. I saw stationary phones lose market share. Progress does not happen overnight but it is inevitable. We can sit around lamenting the state of things, or we can do something about said state of things. I know which side I'm on.

All the time!

The only saving grace is that I have had the same kind of experience at big posh brands like BMW, with a vast bill at the end to pay for the aggro

In the UK there is no FSD to get

@@justgetatesla I have seen cars with full self driving installed

I am paying around 35 pence per KWh using Tesla chargers so only a little more expensive than most people’s standard home tariff and still far cheaper per mile than an equivalent ICE car.

I did about 160,000 miles in a Renault Zoe and Tesla model Y without being able to charge at home, it is more difficult to only use public chargers but it is perfectly possible.

@@wowbagger66 I charged at a Supercharger for most of the first year of ownership of a Model Y (did not have all the needed infrastructure at home); not only was it possible, it was still boatloads cheaper than gas / petrol; worth the "inconvenience" and then some; today the car gets charged overnight with a level 2 charger a few times a week; the "investment" was way cheaper and simpler than most people imagine, in part because there was no need for an electrician

@issiewissie, hi that’s us. We can’t even park outside our house. An EV as our only car since late 2022. We’ve only ever charged on public chargers, mainly Chargeplace Scotland. Yeah, it costs more to charge than it would charging on a domestic tariff, but still way cheaper than running an ICE car. As a bonus, it is so much less tiring to drive on long journeys than any of our previous cars. Cheers.

To me a car is something that goes wherever I want it to go, whenever I want to go. I can also leave it wherever I want for as long as I want. A car that tells me where and when I need to go completely defeats the purpose- for most people that's a liability not a convenience.

1. People do have EVs with no home charger, but I appreciate it’s harder 2. All cars depreciate. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. My Volvo diesel collapsed in value, that wasn’t the same as me then saying all diesels have the same 3. Most insurance companies do nothing of the sort. You’ve believed the FUD 4. Way less parts to break

So we went from Bristol to leeds, grabbed breakfast and car charged for 30 mins, drove to leeds, on way back took 15 min toilet break and charged for that time, whole trip was about 20 quid, against 70 to 80 in my previous petrol car. I'll stick with the ev.

And if you needed a fuel stop you actually lose time doing that…

Surely the lesson of life is to learn that your needs are not necessarily the needs of other people…

The Tories don’t want us to have food, never mind EVs

@justgetatesla I know right! It's like one minute they want you in evs, and then bam they now gonna hit you with road tax and luxery car tax, Shame because I would have gone ev, I really wanted a tesla, but to expensive to run now with the taxes and the higher insurance costs, so I'll go for another ice car

Preaching to the choir, where the choristers mistake “real-world pragmatism” for a shared rose-tinted view of the world. EVs have seen their high water mark, at least for next 20 yrs. Hybrids will be the most sensible option if you really must have a HV battery in your vehicle.

​@@penponds market share of 100% battery electric vehicles is still rising, especially in China where even in the cities they have built out practical charging options for people with no private driveway. Norway is where the world's greatest adoption of EVs is as a percentage of the population. Most seem to have private driveway or garage space to do this. Don't be fooled by the anti-EV propaganda spread by we think oil companies and legacy car manufacturers like Toyota who cannot bear to let go of their internal combustion engine expertise and manufacturing skill.base and infrastructure. EVs don't cover all use cases yet, though. I would not want to tow say a caravan any meaningful distance with an EV. I doubt 100% battery EV is the answer, but those who need or insist on sticking with petrol electric hybrids better hope that as many as possible move to full BEVs to make the remaining economically viable to extract oil last.

Most of this is just FUD, you do know that, surely?

@@justgetatesla I have passed Avonmouth docks loads of times recently and there are so many cars there and loads of EV's. The science doesn't lie so perhaps read more than just what Tesla or Quentin Wilson tell you. Asking several neighbours and myself why they sold their electric cars or didn't lease another one is quite telling. One neighbour lost £20k on his EV Mercedes. Ring VW and ask the cost to replace a battery yourself. Electric cars make sense for local driving but only if they cost £10k and you don't do more than 100 miles as well as realising you might have to throw it away. Even Teslas do less miles in winter and new LFP batteries aren't as energy dense but ultimately all batteries fail in time.

​​@@RB-lt8kt your arguments sound very one-sided when it comes to range in a car; all vehicles -- EV or ICE -- lose range in cold weather. The EV is more upfront about it, telling the driver how much range to expect. With ICE you get in, see the needle on the fuel gauge, and oftentimes forget to check it from time to time. Next thing you know, it's reading a lot less than you expected. While cold, every ICE engine will use more fuel. An EV battery has to heat itself as well, but because it has no ICE engine to keep it warm, that will consume electrons and eat into the range. What should you do when driving anything in cold weather? Plan. Will there be a place to fuel my car? Will there be a charging station? Will I need to pop in for a top-up? If so, how much will that cost me? Regarding resale value, it only comes into play if you're selling. If prices are low but there are no other compelling reasons, why sell? Does the neighbor worry they will lose even more money if they wait too long? Why not use the car and drive it into the ground? Most people buy cars because they need transportation -- to work, to the store, etc. Sounds like your neighbor would lose less money if they didn't buy s car at all and have everything delivered or shipped to their house -- save on depreciation, save on insurance etc... Why get a car at all?

@@PeterWroblewski-xv9br All manufacturers lie to us but ev cars lie to you as well. The car states 100% charge but if its lost 10% of capacity it still says 100%. I sold my ev because VW group reduced the claimed range by 30 miles after I bought it and the car value was dropping off a cliff. Also I don't like the fact that ev drivers can only go to the oem even after the 3 year warranty has passed or the battery warranty might be void. VW group also couldn't or wouldn't tell me the replacement cost of the battery. Battery technology is moving so fast no manufacturer can guarantee you can get a replacement battery in 8 years time. VW told me you can not fit the new ID3 battery in the older cars which are 4 years old. Also ice cars don't lose 10 to 30% of range in 8 years. EV's work if you buy used and only need to do 100 miles.

@RB-lt8kt I don't like how VW operates either, which is why I don't drive one. However, my son cannot afford any EV, so he drives a Jetta. ICE rules imposed by manufacturers for ICE vehicles suck just as much -- he recently wanted to change the oil on his. What does the manufacturer state? Thou shall use oil with a tracer in it or the warranty is void. Nevermind that there has to be an oil change at all and that motor oil with a tracer costs $18/l if you want to change it yourself. At that point I'd take an EV with a reduced range if I could afford one, or bypass WV altogether. So what was your range before VW adjusted it, and what did it go down to when they were done? I bet it wasn't 100mi after all was said and done. Did the car become unusable to you? Were you suddenly unable to go to all the places you could the day before the range was adjusted? VW is run by humans. All humans lie, that is part and parcel of the human condition. It is to be expected, like snow being cold or water being wet. I don't like being lied to, but i expect it and i accept it when it happens. If Tesla came out tomorrow and revised the range of my Model Y, I'd be like "so? I have been able to get to the store yesterday, how does this announcement affect me? It doesn't " Selling a car because one has been lied to and the car has lost value is like freezing one's nose off to spite one's face, it only hurts, unnecessarily so. It only lost value if you sell it. The manufacturer doesn't care, they already got paid. The dealership the car came from doesn't care, they got their commission. The only one suffering is the buyer. Sticking to one's principles and selling at a loss is an emotional decision that is a win for the next buyer -- "I just bought a really cheap car, and I don't have to change the oil in it and it costs pennies to run...yeah, the manufacturer is a scumbag, but my wallet is grateful!" I hope you could afford dumping your EV. If not, did you do it for a reason other than what i outlined? I don't like losing money, i have to work hard to earn it. I hope your money comes to you easier. P.S. Tesla recently revised the range on new Model Ys. Revised down. I'm still using mine and have no plans to sell it or trade it in. It would be financially foolish of me, it still has the same functionality it did before.