Could RAF F-35s & Typhoons Sink The Scharnhorst During The "Channel Dash"? (Naval 56) | DCS

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@MrJJSimonds 2 года назад

So Cap... this brought to mind... if a plane with an armed contact bomb(s) were to kamikazi into a ship.. would the bombs go off in the DCS world? ( for extra QI points, my fathers initials were DCS)

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Sort of, this is best way I found to test/explain it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MMTYePWltk8.html

@MrJJSimonds 2 года назад

@@grimreapers You mention int he video that you tried this with ships and it did not make a difference. How long ago was that, and has DCS changed in that regard since... ;) cheers

@simba1113 2 года назад

Even contacted bombs have an arming cable so that if a bomb were to float up into the aircraft it wouldn’t go off. The bomb has to free fall a few feet away before it will arm. Now that’s not to say that if the bomb were to stay lodged in a burning hull it would go off. But shear impact won’t necessarily set off the bomb. That’s why they do target damage check after a strike to co firm positive hot and good detonation.

@MrJJSimonds 2 года назад

@@simba1113 We want big badda boom! ;)

@Error-33 2 года назад

@@grimreapers Hi i just wanna ask how can you get the f-35 mod to work for me and a ton of people it just doesnt work there is just ai flying when we actually select player on mission editor

@rotary7372 2 года назад

What is the greatest enemy of The Grim Reapers? The runway. Gets them every time.

@fishrrelaxing9361 2 года назад

🤣🤣

@soppdrake 2 года назад

🤣🤣

@Pitchlock8251 2 года назад

Runways OP, PLZ NERF!

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Gravity...

@anthonieneveling6435 2 года назад

They run out of Luck...... and ...... Talent! Point stop! Lmmfao!

@saintmobius5348 2 года назад

Next on "DCS Questioned", Could a modern Carrier Strike Group equipped with 5th generation technology defeat the joint Spanish and French Armada at the Battle of Trafalgar?

@Briselance 2 года назад

🤣

@bjmccann1 2 года назад

🤣🤣🤣

@hagj30 2 года назад

Let's make it fair and give Admiral Villeneuva an EMP weapon to knock out their command and control.

@nicolequijano7113 2 года назад

Can you stop a Mongolian invasion? Endless possibilities!

@Wildfire86872 2 года назад

The carrier could probably just go around ramming all of the ships.

@jhonbus 2 года назад

One of the most interesting things about this incident is that the British actually had radar covering the channel which would ordinarily be able to detect these ships easily. But the Germans did some very clever and sneaky jamming involving several weeks of subtle jamming at the same time of day, leading the Brits to think it was some kind of ionospheric interference. The Operations Room RU-vid channel has a good video on it.

@kd5ctt 2 года назад

Prinz Eugen really has a knack for surviving. First the sinking of the Bismarck, then this then Bikini Atoll atomic bomb testing, and finally it hasn't even fully sunk.

@hrtbrk1 2 года назад

I absolutely love these old vs new gen scenerios. So much fun!

@grimreapers 2 года назад

agree

@terrywest111 2 года назад

I love this video! It shows just how hard it would have been for those WWII pilots to attack a fleet. So much anti-aircraft fire... it's just plain murder.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

yup

@simba1113 2 года назад

This pilots had brass ones

@Gunni1972 2 года назад

@@simba1113 So heavy, it put them in the drink. Or their wings just snapped.

@superkjell 2 года назад

When I was a kid, I got a tour of the Norwegian Naval museum by Nils Owren who was an officer on board KNM Stord during the real battle to sink Scharnhorst. He had some incredible stories of his service during WW2. From Wikipedia: In an interview in The Evening News on 5 January 1944, the commanding officer of HMS Duke of York said: "... the Norwegian destroyer Stord carried out the most daring attack of the whole action..."

@Gunni1972 2 года назад

The problem of Brass balls, they seem so heavy, Mosquitos snap their wings. And it even pulls the odd F-35 into the drink.

@FrankConforti 2 года назад

Excellent! Proves that the Germans had a major advantage in this scenario with both naval and ground-based support. The modern planes did manage to sink two of the ships but still had more than expected losses. And, yes, this would have been boring if you’d have stayed at 40,000 ft and dropped your bombs. Once again, great job and very entertaining!

@Aardvark892 2 года назад

Can't wait for DCS to someday have WW1 aircraft and assets. Better yet, WW1, Korean era and Vietnam era aircraft and ground vehicles. The most complete and comprehensive combat sim ever.

@normanmadden 2 года назад

"F-22 WW2" The F-22 is actually "Air Dominance", as much as stealth; I'd say try them in the Battle of Britain.

@chrisinstasis7986 Год назад

12:39 to 12:59 is undoubtedly some of the best simulator/video game footage I've ever seen.

@ZacYates 2 года назад

Also, how cool was the two F-35Bs formating on the Mossie? That was awesome!!

@6F6G 2 года назад

Once the Germans saw that their ships were getting bombed accurately from high altitude they would start making a smoke screen. They might not know about laser guided bombs but the smoke would ruin the targeting.

@drtidrow 2 года назад

I wonder if those bunker busters would completely penetrate the ships and detonate under the keel - might be almost as effective as a magazine detonation.

@edwardtomlinson 2 года назад

I love you guys. I'm seriously considering getting this and learning to fly, and maybe join y'all. Something I didn't see, and I binged a lot of your what if's is could a wing or squadron of F86F Sabre's stopped the Battle of Britian. I'd love to see you run that scenario, y'all would make that incredibly interesting to watch. You've hooked in a 51 year old MMO/ARPG guy into your world. Love y'all!

@Sardaukar240888 2 года назад

Just taking a moment to appreciate Simba's piloting I have seen over a few vids now. This landing, the excellent terrain hugging flying in the F22 during the attack on the RUS president plane, the terrain hugging in the A4? In the attack on SAM alley in the Vietnam video (Plus the missile dodging on the same video in the F35). Super flying! I never really held interest in flight sims before (though I love flying in general) but between Cap and GR crew and GS's channel as well, damm I am tempted to tip some money into DCS and a decent setup!

@JJ-1-1 Год назад

Me too although I’m figuring it will cost 6k to get in to it.

@mrlodwick 2 года назад

Hope you all are well. Thank you for these vids - I look forward to them always.

@EssGeeSee 2 года назад

I first read ‘The Channel Dash’ at around 10. So, that’s 57 years waiting for this. Thank you.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

wow!

@hasina1461 2 года назад

There is alot to the channel dash and there is a really good video on it by the operations room if you want to look more into it. the weather was also against us that day. glad you enjoyed my suggestion.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Roger boss

@Scha123f 2 года назад

Possible use for the F35s: German F35s to destroy the dover radar station for their bombers to destroy a close airfield (Battle of Dover).

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

24:40 Talk about going out in flames and glory! Lol aka goin out in style😎👍 lol 30:30 same!😎👍 Lmao 32:17 sexy landing and hilarious listening skills!😂😎👍👍

@kenhelmers2603 2 года назад

Plenty of fun! Thanks GR

@nealramsey4439 2 года назад

Maybe you could have used some F-22s there to cover you from the BF-109s. They could hover above and shot them with missiles.

@bretonnian6844 2 года назад

Brilliant, it much take you ages to set these up!

@benokanruzgar8863 2 года назад

Put it to perspective: up until 90's mutiple 3th gen planes needed to sink a single WW2 battleship with their legacy (1930's) configuration. While a single 4th gen fighter can SINK multiple WW2 battle ships ALONE.

@anthonieneveling6435 2 года назад

Start to end.... that was awsome

@robandcheryls Год назад

A Christmas day relaxing, thank you GR. 🇨🇦 Veteran

@christianoman217 2 года назад

”What mark of spitfire is that? Over” ”The swiss cheese one. Over”

@forMacguyver 2 года назад

Showing off... get's you every time ! :)

@grimreapers 2 года назад

@joepapp01 7 месяцев назад

Haven't watched a Grim Reapers video in awhile. This was fun.

@Vosper385 2 года назад

I really enjoyed watching this, Thanks. How about another go using arguably the best torpedo bomber of the war, the SM79 Sparviero, or Bristol Beauforts? Swing around from the back with fighter cover up top.

@joeh8845 2 года назад

I wonder how a flight of A-10 Warthogs with escorts could do in this

@davidwinter3591 2 года назад

Another slam dunk GR! minor issues on damage for the 1K bombs on ships (not your fault), but woot! on the simulation with what was available. Always entertaining....

@julian5857 2 года назад

The Eurofighter is such a beauty

@fishrrelaxing9361 2 года назад

Imagine if they had AA rounds for the 105’s and 120’s on these ships.. 3-4 120’s aimed to various altitudes with flak would’ve been stupidly suicidal to try and fly through..

@bestestusername 2 года назад

The missles they carry well out range the AA on that ship

@doemacmonkey 2 года назад

Yeah the big problem with all of these old verses new is that the WW2 people would take time to get over their shock on seeing modern jets and explosions from modern missiles, their pilots would not be used to avoiding anything but planes on their six at guns range (they certainly would not try to notch a missile, they wouldn’t even see it or understand that it was guided) the ships gunners would not be used to how much lead a missile needed even if they saw it, and they would only see it VERY close. I think the reality would be that modern jets would have a much easier time than these re-enactments suggest. Here the olden AI has full knowledge of modern tech and tactics, but there’s nothing Cap can do about that.

@Rayman1971 2 года назад

@@doemacmonkey Just can't barrel right in... need to stand off as much as possible and avoid any type of dogfights, IMO edit: An AWACS would be a big help!

@jmccallion2394 2 года назад

That Sub Cdr E Esmonde( RIP) DSO, VC push forward not in a modern bomber, but in the venerable string bag!! Such heroic bravery, the fact that the FW 190's and Bf 109's couldn't due to the speed levels showed that flak was king!

@michaeltaylor8835 2 года назад

I love that ypu guys know the history of the scenario

@exidy-yt Год назад

With 2 capital ships sunk and a heavy cruiser badly damaged on their watch, the luftwaffe had to take their revenge as best they could and poor Arty got to bear the brunt of their anger. That was cool to watch. 👍

@tiadiad 2 года назад

Aaah yes, good old Bbbrriumphsbuuttelgghue! 0:52

@atomicturist 2 года назад

Considering that WW2 AAs couldn't handle V1 rockets, that were unguided, non-maneuvering, subsonic jet aircraft, even with hundreds of guns being radar guided on a single missile, the chances of any WW2 ships hitting a modern fighter, are basically near zero. DCS needs to take that into consideration.

@jakmc77 2 года назад

16:28 looks like a ceremonial flight for the queens birthday 😂

@andyf4292 2 года назад

the ww2 stuff, the numbers always blow me away

@neilgriffiths6427 2 года назад

Film of WWII battleships attacked by planes show the ships jinking hard to port, hard to starboard - does your AI not do this? Because it looked as if they ploughed on straight ahead regardless...lovely targets...

@trazyntheinfinite9895 2 года назад

Lets remember how german sbips were basically unarmed as far as aa goes when you take into account what was the norm a later.

@chrossphyre 2 года назад

You can use the Raptor to replace the Mosquito raid on Goering's radio speech January 30, 1943.

@AdsDem0n 2 года назад

Mosquito is certainly not a fan of getting out of a dive, spat their wings rather quickly

@zooweemama911 2 года назад

Still patiently (well, that’s relative) waiting for the community F-35 mod. It looks so cool. If you’re unaware of what it is, just search here on RU-vid “community F-35A/B/C mod dcs”. This will shit on the VSN F-35 mod, with clickable cockpit, the two massive LCD screens, STOVL capabilities, and more. It’s been in the works for well over two years, hopefully it’ll be worth the wait.

@StapSco 9 месяцев назад

"Aaaghhh, I can't pull out!" And that my friends, is how GR baby came to be

@michiganengineer8621 2 года назад

I'm trying to recall a sci-fi story I read many, many years ago. It involved a pilot in an AV-8 Harrier that somehow got sent back (involuntarily) to France in 1916. None of his missiles were any good, the German engines didn't throw off enough heat and there wasn't enough metal to get a good radar lock. His biggest problem (other than the mud) was getting precise enough machining done to replace his gun ammo. Fuel was easy, kerosene through a fine mesh filter to get the crap out of it!

@drtidrow 2 года назад

Yeah, jet engines aren't too picky about what they burn, as long as you keep the TIT (turbine inlet temp) in a safe range. Might have to replace the fuel nozzles in the combustors if you run something like gasoline, but kerosene or diesel is close enough to JP8 that the typical jet wouldn't care. You would have to use a winterized diesel blend, though, as it's cold high up and you don't want heavy hydrocarbons freezing out and plugging the fuel filters.

@Gunni1972 2 года назад

@@drtidrow performance might suffer though.

@DanielFerreira-hz4cc Год назад

Viewing WW2 planes flying with modern ones are strangely awesome.

@wilson2455 2 года назад

fantastic graphics and s/ware engineering. The attention to detail is amazing.. What hardware are you using guys?

@TheFridge 2 года назад

F-22's could be used in a faulkland island skirmish.

@tobiashartung856 2 года назад

F-22 scenario: since radar tech was more advanced on the allied side, it would be more interesting to have the axis take out a flight of Raptors. What about Pearl Harbor with a flight of "Japanese" Raptors?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

rgr

@LeBrit1209 2 года назад

Considering recreations and modern attempts at historical events are so enjoyable to watch and by the looks of things participate in, do you think you could do something like this for the sinking of IJN Yamato?

@greysgaming9844 2 года назад

"my wife dose the coffee" I see who wears the pants in the relationship 😂😂

@andyf4292 2 года назад

go lengthwise.... be easier for Krauty-crunching

@Mudamr 2 года назад

F-22s would be great for night attacks on Axis strategic targets. Sure, the germans had radar, but they won't be able to see the 22 and it can see at night just fine

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Just recorded the F-22 one :)

@bradtice6838 2 года назад

For the F-22 Raptor scenario. Couldn't you see if they could take down the early warning radar on the english coast during the battle of Britain?

@bookman7409 2 года назад

You've laid your finger on the salient point, I think. Since the Allies were much farther ahead in radar tech, the only scenarios that stealth tech can help involve them fighting for the Axis powers. Midway, but with the Japanese having F-22s would be very interesting, but if someone could find air combat situations where radar was crucial to the Allied effort, that would be even better.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

thx

@e734127803 2 года назад

Thanks for the nice video :), just a question: how do you get the models for such weaponry like: Scharnhorst ? Thanks

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Various mods from the modder's discord. Some public some private.

@e734127803 2 года назад

@@grimreapers thanks 😊

@ultimatewarrior733 2 года назад

I have a fantastic suggestion! Could a squadron of ME-262 German fighter jets beat an F-18?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

We don't have 262 in game yet :(

@drtidrow 2 года назад

Honestly, I doubt it - the Hornet is quite a bit faster, with a much better rate of climb as well. Might be more maneuverable too... in any event, the Hornet pilot should be able to dictate the terms of the engagement, especially if he keeps it in the vertical. Now, if it's a full squadron of 262's vs. a single F-18, that might be more problematic for the Hornet driver.

@ultimatewarrior733 2 года назад

@@drtidrow I think maybe 6 262s against 1 hornet would be even considering the pack mentality.

@CrazyDutchguys 2 года назад

@@ultimatewarrior733 F18 would BVR at least 2 262 before they even know its there. An F18 would easily delete 6 262s

@scottmcsweeney6716 2 года назад

This is brilliant, came across your channel by accident, subbed and been watching for 3 day snow. Would love to get involved. Never played DCS, only MFS. Hop emy PC can handle it, looks very demanding. Do you guys have a discord for newbies to the game?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Yup in vid descriptions, enjoy :)

@saqibsultantemuri2437 2 года назад

11:45 This is what happens, if a British person does not get to finish his tea before mission. Every single casualty in the RAF history is due to that fact. ALWAYS FINISH YOUR TEA BEFORE MISSION.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

100% correct.

@oliabid-price4517 2 года назад

Nice to hear you pronounce Gneisenau more correctly than most people ever seem to manage. Shame the Mossies weren't armed with Highball.

@good4politics Год назад

Do it again with max A10s. That would be very entertaining considering they are no faster than the warbirds but much more heavily armed and armored.

@mrnourking 2 года назад

I just love this i don't know why

@grimreapers 2 года назад

This is the kind of fight I dreamed about as a kid.

@yuridh Год назад

Maybe you can do an WW2 attack on England with F-22/F-35 because they had radar at that time. Perhappes the stealth capabilities can have some advantage.

@kingfield99 2 года назад

Flying out of RAF Manston? Thats just down the road from me in Ramsgate.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Well spotted :)

@kingfield99 2 года назад

@@grimreapers ha, I think you fly over my house at the end.

@paulhesketh4289 2 года назад

For f22, what about a night raid on a factory in Germany, with the objective to not be spotted or picked up on radar?

@forMacguyver 2 года назад

High altitude bombing is what they'd do though and just stay above AAA or fighter cover.

@subjectc7505 2 года назад

The F-22 is air superiority. The F-35 is made for roles like AA and AG

@trolleriffic 2 года назад

A B-2 would do that job much better although stealth in general might not be as useful as we'd expect due to the long wavelength radars that were used in those days. They're useless for precise targeting or guiding a SAM but they might let you know a rough speed and location with enough warning to scramble some fighters. Penetrating German airspace at very high altitude (which the B-2 would be perfect for) should stay above the upper detection range of the radars and ought to be far higher than any fighters or flak could reach.

@landenlikesfrogs6538 8 месяцев назад

The F-22 could be used for reconnaissance. Radars would never pick up the plane. It would fly past anything it wanted

@dcijams 2 года назад

Well we sure hope so let’s see the video

@PLAN50 11 месяцев назад

It's pretty easy to render it inoperable. Send a JDAM into the control tower.

@BCSchmerker 2 года назад

+GrimReapersAtomic *The original viewer premise could be executable with an early-1990's U. S. Navy Carrier Aircraft Wing, e.g. CarAirWing EIGHT.* Fighting FORTY-ONE on MiGCAP to cut off the _Jagdgeſchwadern_ over the Vichy coast, Fighting EIGHTY-FOUR to take up BARCAP stations against retaliatory strikes. StrkFitRons EIGHTY-ONE to attack from northwest, EIGHTY-SIX from southwest, both on the deck to reduce exposure to target Flak.

@BCSchmerker 2 года назад

*Afterthought:* The U. S. Air Force had a down-the-stack attack method (to blow up the boilers on the battlecruiser and both superdreadnoughts) available via AGM-62 from the Northrop B-2 Alfa, which the defending BFW's were just able to reach in altitude but sans assistance from Wehrmacht surveillance radars - the B-2 was invisible to the radars of 1940. They'd also have to get past the F-14 Alfas of Fighting FORTY-ONE first, as well.

@Onslaught-Starts 2 года назад

F-22 raptor scenario idea: Attack the prison complex at Amiens to initiate a jailbreak. Flying under the radar all the way from the coast.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

thx

@LoenSim 2 года назад

Hey cap what do you think about the teasers in ED’s 2022 and beyond video? Most interesting one for me is the teaser for maybe merging the Normandy and channel maps to stretch all the way from London to Paris, that would be incredible

@simba1113 2 года назад

i look forward to being able to low fly over both of those cities

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Ooo man I hate to say it but have'nt watched yet, will do when I get back to GR after new years

@andyf4292 2 года назад

that AA looks more murderous than the IJN!

@grimreapers 2 года назад

agree

@optraz 2 года назад

I didn't see binkov making those hypothetical analysis videos yet you got to see it first?

@patricktracy4371 2 года назад

better than network Telly, thank you

@grimreapers 2 года назад

@raymondyee2008 2 года назад

Wow just wow.

@therealdebater 2 года назад

It did entertain us ;-)

@SFish-wr4kh 2 года назад

Regarding the F-22 and using it's stealth -- maybe a night op and picking off night fighters while escorting Lancasters?

@benjaminarnold2881 2 года назад

Does DCS have the WWII American naval night fighters? That, or trying to take on the p-61 Black widow, both of them have airborne radar that the stealth might help against

@farpointgamingdirect 2 года назад

If the German fleet is dashing for the Atlantic, those destroyers are on the starboard side...

@eventfulnonsense 2 года назад

The performance of the F 35 seemed pretty realistic. The only advantage they have are BVR engagements and Stealth, that's about it. Because stubby wings won't do much in a close combat high G dogfight.

@macvos 2 года назад

The F-35 is actually more maneuverable with a combat loadout than the F-16. However, there aren't many (if any) modern fighter jets that are more maneuverable at low speeds than WW2 fighters.

@macnadoodle 2 года назад

Thinking about this even more, it might make an informative- though not spectacular- video if you actually did this in the dark of night from 40k feet with plenty of time to line up with GBUs laser guided into the decks by the main gun turrets. This then would be a ‘how few GBUs would be needed to destroy all 3 ships” and indeed how many other escorts you could sink with say, a single flight of Typhoons.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

Roger

@hoghogwild 2 года назад

4:54 "Does aft stick really lock the rear wheel?" "YA." "I wasn't aware of that guys...............shows how much I know." Then there's another radio transmission at 5:03, but sounded encrypted and ended with what sounded like "Take off forgot it mosquito couldn't get it up." 1) I assume that aft stick locks the rear wheel steering? 2)Could anyone decipher what the gentleman said between timestamps 5:03-5:08? The combination of my partial hearing loss from exposure to the various CAF "C" weapons and their associated NATO rounds and this gentleman's specific accent leaves me clueless as to whether I am missing an important morsel of Warbird history, esp. if its involving what sounded like a DeHaviland Mosquito. During WW-II there were 1,032 Mosquitos built under license in Downsview, Ontario, Canada, about 1-1/2 hours from my house. Can anyone help? Thank you.

@moodind 2 года назад

do a deep strike mission with the f-22's have the pernitrate deep inside a zone between radar sites like in the mountains and valley type area.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

rgr

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

I've always wondered from WWII gun camera footage why there were so many air attacks on ships from abeam....the sides VS down the length from front or rear. I understand torpedo attacks most of time are....and skip bombing....but AA protection is many fired to the sides and not from the front or back....and attacks from the sides bring all guns that can train to the side, to bear on an attacker. If I was attacking a "long" target, with guns in particular, I'd want to got straight on, preferably from behind.