Could The Veil KILL Voldemort | Harry Potter Film Theory 

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@supercarlinbrothers do you think each piece of soul creating a horcrux was equal in size and strength, or did Vs soul split in half each time creating lesser and lesser powered horcruxes?

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And Dumbledore is just there willingly to "keep Tom company" despite Voldemort's constant remarks to "please leave" 😂

Now I'm imagining Dumbledore singing the power of love by huey Lewis and the news to Tommy boy for like a year straight

@@nathanmacrae9199 Off-key too 🤣

In Limbo, Voldemort would forever have to pass under a horizontal stick without touching it or falling down. And the stick keeps getting lower and lower. And there would be constant calypso music playing.

If they could get into the most secure part of the ministry building

They first time they got in someone probably cleared the way to make sure they found the prophecy. By the time they had Horcruxes the ministry had been controlled by Voldemort for over a year.

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i mean, was the ministry not built around the veil? it seems like many of its functions and HOW it exists is considered a mystery to the ministry. I wonder if they didnt do that because they did not know the ramifications of doing so?

Gilderoy lockhearth, throw him through the veil, Dolores Humbridge, throw her through the veil, voldemort´s nose throw it through to the veil, its said leeviosaaaa, throw it through the veil, the minister of magic...

Wow. Moldy Voldy is so ironic

Also ironic that the one hallow he would have despised was the resurrection stone, a very strongly prided family heirloom

Nah it was the second brother, Cadmus. Antioch was the first brother with the wand. He doesn't have any confirmed descendants. And the third Ignotus is the ancestor of Harry.

*horcrux Sorry 😅 Edit: btw, I like your pfp!

*Diary Sorry x2 😅

That was the entire idea of a horcrux right diary was Tom's first horcrux so the soul in his body was only 50% 3rd horcux that went through half again so 25% ect ect ect

Nowhere is it said creating a horcrux rips your soul exactly in half, to my memory. For all we know each creation tears off like five percent of Voldy or something.

If I may posit a theory, perhaps how much the murder affected you determines how much of your soul is ripped off.

Awesome! "That's the perfect Limbo for him. Or, what about being trapped in a time loop, eternally reliving Harry Potter defeating him ... both as a baby and a seventeen-year-old, forever!

Voldemort's limbo: Watch his movie self say "Harry Potter is dead! Heehehe!" again and again and again for all eternity!

For me Voldemort's limbo would be having to "exist" as a completely regular ordinary non magical being.

@@adosa2a15he’s so narcissistic / psychotic that he’s probably still end up and a pretty power person in the non magical world

That would be a great what if story. Have Valdy lose his powers and his journey as a human. 😁

That's already a video.

They actually already did a video on that called, "Could the Veil kill a Ghost?"

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Yes but a question for you how do the ghosts on hog warts there if they are dead??? They have horcruxs

@@Kaitybardot Unsure exactly what you're asking, but it's an in-universe fact that wizards can choose to become a ghost when they die. Their existence doesn't have anything to do with horcruxes. Furthermore, when Voldemort was defeated and turned into a ghost-like form, he said that he was *less* than a ghost.

Nah, the inanimate objects would definitely get destroyed, too. Otherwise, Sirius would've left behind a pile of clothes 😂😂

"Destroy beyond physical repair" might not be true for physical objects. It says it does this for living things but until someone has tried it we will never know.

@@takumi2023 true, true, but it seems to me like it should work at least for a horcrux, an object with a piece of soul inside. I mean, venom shouldn't really affect a non-living object, yet basilisk juice does just fine for stuff infused with Essence of Voldemort.

Mmmm I think he'd just be free to remake his body again with horcruxes still.

@@OTGGaming0594 that's exactly what I said. If he's killed in any way while his horcruxes still exist, what happened to him the night he tried to kill baby Harry happens again.

@@noblegas8485 i think there would be one mayor caveat to voldys soul being preserved by the horcruxes... could he escape from the other side of the veil in this form? i could imagine him getting thrown through the veil with horcruxes still intact would be a fate even worse than eternal limbo. picture this: seven tethers from seven horcruxes extend from his soul. normally they would prevent the soul from getting pulled to the afterlife (the other side of the veil) upon death. btw a similar thing can happen naturally to your "intact" soul via unresolved matters, which is how you get a ghost.( voldy himself said he was less than a ghost, a soul that did not pass on to the afterlife and condensed into shape, but in his case not an "entire/intact" soul. now "force" his prime soul to be in the afterlife via the only known (one way ) passage to the afterlife aka the veil. the passage through the veil would split his soul from his body and disintegrate the body. normally the soul would disperse in the afterlife with only the resurrection stone being capable of condensing enough to conjure it back into shape at the edge of the afterlife, but still behind the (metaphorical in this case) veil. not so much with voldy: the MULTIPLE tethers on his soul might be strong enough to keep his soul from dispersing even on the other side of the veil. the tethers of his horcruxes reaching through the veil and wrapping around the remnants of his prime soul, not allowing it to disperse, but still not capable from pulling it back through the one way ticket of the veil. his soul essentially chained to the edge of the afterlife pulled against the veil for eternity or until all (or maybe just enough) tethers are cut by destroying the howcruxes. i imagine him standing there on the other side of the veil in the ministry of magic, silvery chains extending from the veil and wrapping around his "body" where the tethers from the horcruxes reach in through the veil. unable to move more than a couple of feet from the veil but also not able to step back through it into life (or the a bit more humiliating version: he is chained face first against the veil, head smushed against the border to life and cant even move an inch because the tethers pull so strong in the direction of life but it just doesn't work...)

If Dumbledore was keeping a watch on Harry, he probably would’ve persuaded someone from the Order to adopt him. I mean, who wouldn’t? First would be Molly who would offer to take Harry in, but I don’t think that happens. Someone from the Order, maybe Mrs. Figg or Kingsley or Andromeda adopt him, and shift to Privet Drive near the Dursleys House. This way, Harry still lives where his mother’s blood dwells.

Dumbledore wouldnt have let the Dursleys just ditch Harry. He would have convinced them, as he did in the fifth book with the howler when they seriously considered throwing him out.

It would never happen as we all know all of them are perfectly capable of loving someone and such people don't put their toddler nephew into an orphanage. The two main reasons why they treat Harry as they do are the fact they are afraid of anything magic - for good reason, it killed their family members and they have no way of protecting themselves against magic users - and the fact Harry is a horcrux. Not just a random horcrux, he is a horcrux of the man that killed their family members. Hogwards do somehow protect against the evil coming from a horcrux, but muggles outside have no protection. Petunia, Dudley and to a lesser level Vernon hold a record for people who spent the most time in close physical contact with a horcrux.

@@petrmaly9087 True, I heard of the horcrux theory too. I am not totally convinced though, since they were mean to Harry since he can remember and became kind of nice to him when he left them for good in the 7th book. Wouldnt they just have become meaner through all seven books?

@@abraham2172 It's not mentioned in the movies, but they weren't even that insanely horrible as people think. They only put him under the stairs when he showed signs of magic, it was just short time before his letter that he was moved there permanently. Because he was showing more and more magic and they felt endangered. We see the world through the eyes of Harry. However if you look at Vernon objectively, he is a successful salesman who worked himself up from a working-class background to middle-class. Dudley when at school has no problem finding friends and working on improving himself. It looks to me more like they are accepted by others and have "people skills", but towards Harry, there is this weird "hate" - which is strong, but still never trumps the tie they have to him.

he was a cringe lord that wanted to use historical artifacts for symbolism. just like how he never would have enchanted a random object like a grain of sand.

Separates soul from body

They have I think

@@turtlesandmoreturtles4140 that's the dementor's kiss. You can still technically be alive without your soul.

In my mind, and this is why three forbidden curses are forbidden, it is about how the magic work in the Potterverse. Some people are born with ability to do magic and we can see them Harry as child accidentally do magic. So witches and wizards learn to focus their magic using certain words and channeling it through wands. Now, a wizard could kill someone using fire or levitating a statue on some one or summoning swords out of thin air. But what avada kedavra does is using one's magic to complitely over ride victims will and ability to live. When Harry tried to use cruciatus curse Bellatrix said that he needs to really mean it. It's likely something like that, you need to actually want to and focus your being to want someone to die. That's why those three are forbidden, not only is it nasty for magic folk but also it is to do with over stepping on other persons self rights or whatever the english word is. Also also, that shows how evil Voldemort was, to able to kill that easily. Seeing everyone so much beneath him that he could just will them to die. So the wands are not like guns, not anyone can just pick them up and say the words and just happens, we saw this in the books. You need to be born with magic, you need to be strong in it, know what you want and have the focus. The spell used tells a lot about the caster. The ease what Voldemort used that curse shows how evil and horrible his mind was. It's not just his killings he did, not just the reasoning he claimed to do them. The method itself shows how he was. But that's just my magical theory.

@@MrDUneven avada kedavra is very much a gun a stun gun or more accurately a star trek phaser kind of heart attack spell.

No, bc he doesn't need horcruxes to exist in mist form, he just need them to not pass away..if they destroy all horcruxes while he was in mist form he could still come back and make more

@@ghazalmirani1445 is that true? him having the ability to exist in that mist form is all thanks to the horcruxes anchoring him to the realm of life. if all of them were gone, I would argue he would at best slowly dissipate if not just immediately be erased

@@lonelyprince0I believe that if someone managed to destroy all the Horcruxes before Voldemort regained a body, the moment his spirit wasn't possessing something, it would've moved on to his unpleasant afterlife. (I put that qualifier there because he might have possessed snakes and the like during that time.)

@@lonelyprince0 well that was the reason dumbledore gave to harry to seek horcruxes first..maybe he was wrong..I don't know

@ghazalmirani1445 the way I saw that was so harry can grow to accept death since otherwise he would fight the idea that he needs to die too for old no nose to finally meet his end

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I don't think he'd cross over at all. Him being anchored to the world would basically stop the soul from crossing through the veil, while his body did.

Yeah, he'd definitely go crazy there, especially because of the crying babies. Harry's vision sequence in Godric's Hollow explicitly called out how much Voldemort hated the sound of children crying

Did the book actually state the soul would be split in half, or equal proportion? Since in my culture people are said to have 7 emotions and 6 desires. Also "soul" itself for human is considered 3 parts of 魂(soul) and 7 parts of 魄(spirit? Could not find a direct translation). Anything after the 6th split would be weaker than any previous ones, including the still living Voldy.

No. The reason is that it's clear that even young Tom Riddle was, personality wise, he was the exact same as old Voldemort. And Harry, arguably the person who understood Voldemort more than anyone else, said Voldemort would never go for it.

No. Voldemort at no age could develop remorse. This is not just because of his personality. Actually, they made a video, where it is suggested that when Tom Riddle Sr. left Merope, she was depressed and started to develop an Obscurus. She would be pregnant with Voldemort at the time, and a little bit of the Obscurus would have bound itself to Voldemort. Since an Obscurus just wants destruction, Voldemort would be just like that. Full of want for destruction without any remorse. It also explains why Merope dies an hour after giving birth to Voldemort. I mean, if she died during the delivery fine, but it could be that an hour after giving birth the Obscurus just killed her. Since Voldemort had the Obscurus ever since he was born, he could never be remorseful.

"In two" doesn't necessarily mean "in half", since any sized portion would still make two separate pieces. I would think it is just a similarly small piece every time, such that the "prime" version would always be the largest portion (unless, perhaps, it was torn some hundreds of times). Then again, it all raises the question of how a soul can be quantified anyway. It may be that there is no such consideration when a soul is torn. The soul is weakened (for all existing instances, as some form of a connection clearly still exists between them all) by the damage of tearing apart, but not lessened in size or anything. After all, we know the "prime" version was destroyed by a rebounded killing spell, but that same version was the one that returned (none of his horcruxes spawned a soul to replace him, since all the horcruxes he created prior to that still held their pieces). So the pieces are just anchors and not souls in and of themselves (though the diary one gets its own memories and experiences due entirely to the magic of the diary itself).

It is canonically confirmed that when the soul is split. It is in half. Harry actually has more of Voldemort in himself than Voldemort prime.

@@SgtSupaman I'm not talking about physical size when I say that the earlier horcruxes would be bigger. But rather just that it would be half of his original soul, and the next one would only be a quarter of his original since it is only half of the half, and so on. Also, there are multiple reasons that his "prime" soul was the one that became "him" again. One is that it's the only one that wasn't bound to something. There was no way for the soul in the horcruxes to leave, and no one knew about them, so it makes sense they weren't used. Also, it's explained that a horcrux is kind of the opposite of a human with a soul, so that could be why when they were destroyed they didn't behave the same way as when Voldemort was hit with the rebounding avada kedavra. It's also possible that they did behave the same way. That when they were destroyed the piece of soul became the same ephemeral thing as we saw in the philosophers stone, but just like the 10 years before the first book, they were just floating aimlessly, unable to "do" anything, but still anchored to "this side of the veil", then with the final death of Voldemort's body, there was no more soul anchored to this side, and all the pieces went to limbo. Also, while it's possible that the diary was basically just a "picture" and a memory, it's also possible that it was the representation of the 16yr old version of Voldemort's soul, and that all of the horcruxes could have basically done the same thing as snapshots of the soul that was placed in them. After all, if Voldemort had returned in the chamber of secrets, I see no reason why that would have been any different than what happened in the goblet of fire, just with a younger Voldemort, but it would have still been Voldemort.

Yeah, I always really disliked the idea of the diary being special due to being a Diary. It makes the most sense to me that the thing that makes the diary special, is simply the fact it was the first and has the most, the purest soul out of every item. I believe it makes sense for a horkrux, no matter what item it is to be a sort of a "snapshot" of the person at the time, and it doing what it can to find a soul to use in order to manifest said snapshot into the world of the living. Being protected from death doesn't really have much value if all it does is make you less than a ghost for the eternity. Buuuut if the purpose of the Horcrux is to manifest the person as they were in life - then they can seek out and bring back the original soul to life. Other Horcruxes also try to communicate with people nearby, they are just not as strong as the diary.

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I hate that the books don't give any clues about that. I like to imagine Pettigrew sneaking Voldemort's wand (and eventually hiding it at the Burrow), but nothing is ever said about his body. On the one hand, why would anyone think Voldemort was dead without a body being found? However, I think that if his body was in the house, no one would've thought he was still out there. It baffles me when I think about it.

He was supposed to have been hiding in an Albanian forest, which is where he met Quirell & was able to possess him

I don't know, as it is never actually mentioned, and it's not like it would be easy to miss someone as pale as him near Harry. Hagrid probably would have seen it if it was there

I think Dumbledore has an idea of “deserving” recipients though, he allowed Scabbers/Pettigrew to live in Azkaban,

i don't think that's what dumledore wanted. watch the dumbledores plan videos. like when harry shows his arm to dumbledore he felt like seeing "a moment of triumph" in his expression. that's when dumbledore saw voldy used harrys blood to make his body which was the entire reason why things played out in the end as they did and why voldy was defeated by harry.

I don't think that's how it works, when he was killed when Harry was a baby all his horcruxes are still exist. They literally act as an anchor keeping his soul (or what's left) on this plane of existence until he can regain a physical form for himself

herpo the foul. he was the one who invented it and the only one to ever create a horcrux until voldy went on to make 6 + an accidental one. that's what it says on pottermore and what scb also mentioned in a bunch of videos but there isn't really any more information on it.

I bet you're right. Im sure that is where JK got the idea from. Plus Cadmus's wife in the greek myth is named Hermione, apparently.

That’s a theory actually. Cadmus had first created the Veil to try to bring his lover back. But his intention failed and he created a one-way portal to death. After that, he created the Resurrection Stone

Harry dies, Voldemort rebuilds his reign of terror and lives on forever, according to the prophecy.

Much like the end of the Beautiful Creature series.

Probably not since there is no way Dumbledore wouldn't have tried that

For some reason I read that as would Phoenix tears restore Dumbledore's beard

yeah basilisk venom is just.. venom, a natural deadly toxin. the ring injury is a curse and a pretty powerfull one at that@@joimumu

@@Alex-cw3rz That would explain how he got such a massive beard

He wouldn't have immediately returned to his body, though. Getting hit with a killing curse is exactly what happened when he attacked infant Harry. His body was destroyed, but his soul lived on for over a decade, requiring someone else's help to regain his body.

But in that instance his body was destroyed. The killing curse in every other instance leaves the body in tact.

@@leronjohnson4414 yes but dead and without a soul in it lol. for all we know voldys body layed there next to harry until it got removed and burned or burried and eaten by the worms.

I don’t think he would use a time turner to save her because although he lived with regret the rest of his life, he recognizes that her death is what kept him from going down a dark path that could have led to more death and destruction. I don’t think he’d go back to see who actually killed her because while he always felt responsible for her death, he couldn’t emotionally risk learning he was the one who took her life.

Because dumbledore though flawed is not a fool, it’s made very plain , by Hermione to travel back in time to fix the past has disastrous results.

That's pretty much how I view the idea of Limbo as well

It would probably be the freaky baby thing that would appear

That's what I thought. She clearly loved him, he was her loved one. She didn't marry for love, she married out of duty to her family. Voldemort was the man she fell in love with.

Well he would revive but like for the third time and he would have to do what he did in go let of fire again and if they did that 6 or 7 times he would 💀

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No, it doesnt get used. A horcrux is portrayed as an "anchor" of sorts. Does an anchor get used when you use it to stop a ship from moving?