Dark History of The VEIL - Harry Potter Explained 

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Here's an idea: What if the story was essentially true, but the river that the Peverell brothers encountered was no river at all, but an unstable rift between the realms of the living and the dead? One which, if you got too close, would pull you into it, never to return. Sensing the danger, the brothers used their magic to construct a barrier from the surrounding stones that contained the rift, what we know as the Veil. If you were stupid enough to walk through it you'd be just as dead, but with the barrier in place you could be near it with no harm done. Now, thestrals are sometimes seen as bad omens, as only those who have seen someone die can see them, and perhaps they frequented the area. Since this was long before the Ministry was built, it's not inconceivable that this was at the time a random spot in the countryside where trees and animals would be common. Let us say that among these powerful wizards, Antioch in particular was skilled at making wands. Taking a branch from a nearby tree, which happened to be elder (a wood often associated with repelling the devil) and that might have absorbed some of the deathly energies of the rift, and winding into it the tail hair of a thestral, created a very powerful wand that pulled not only from its owner, but from the other side of the Veil as a source of power. Cadmus, not to be outdone, took a sample of the stone and fashioned it into a jewel-like ornament, possessing a connection to the rift much like his brother's wand, but by his own spellwork could instead summon the likeness of one who had long since passed on. As this was going on, Ignotus noticed that the rippling surface of the now-contained rift concealed what was beyond the barrier and almost seemed solid enough to touch. Daring to draw a portion of it to him and sever it, it solidified further until it was a shimmering silvery cloth that, when placed over him, made him completely invisible to anyone alive. With their task done and their trophies in hand, the brothers went on their way, unaware of the marks they would leave upon wizard history. But in the words of MatPat, that's just a theory. Thanks for reading.

I've always had the unnerving feeling that the veil was once used as a form of capital punishment, with one being forced to walk through. The arena-like chamber makes it feel public or at least observed.

Imagine if you're the rightful owner of The Elder Wand, wearing the Invisibility Cloak and holding the Resurrection Stone and that make you the one Master of Death that can pass through The Vail and be able to bring people back from death?!

Or perhaps the bridge that the three Peverell brothers conjured in Beedle’s story was not just a simple bridge across a river. But a connection between the world of the living and the realm of the dead.

If the Peverell did create the Hallows, which seems likely, then Cadmus created the resurrection stone. The Veil could simply be a “prototype” of sorts, a previous attempt of Cadmus’ to make contact with the dead.

I propose that the resurrection stone has been used wrong since death gave it as a gift. The stone is obviously a peice of the veil but what if instead of being any random peice it was actually the key to allowing people to come back threw the veil. Death gave the stone to the brother knowing he wouldn't know how to correctly use it thats why it only shows ghost like people and doesn't actually resurrect people. The key to the stone is reconnecting it with the veil only then could it potentially bring someone back threw the door. Think of the stone as the key death locked it from one side ( we know this because you can still pass threw but not come back) and gave it away knowing no-one would know how to unlock its full potential..... anyway just my theory on the matter always found it strange the resurrection stone can't actually do what it's name suggests so this could be a possible explanation

I think The Tale of Three Brothers was inspired by the historical Peveral Brothers but that it wasn't the literal events of The Brothers. Rather that The Peveral Brothers were powerful wizards who took magic to dangerous and unnatural lengths. "Death" in the story would have just been a personification to show the consequences of their hubris. The oldest making an "Unbeatable Weapon" and getting killed outside of battle. The middle brother trying to "resurrect the dead" only to join them himself, and the humble youngest brother who made a simple tool that would protect others and he met his end peacefully at the end of his life after passing his cloak down to his descendents. The Hallows were just magical artifacts created by powerful forgotten magic rather than something supernatural in origin. And I'd wager The Veil is no diffrent. Simply an incredibly powerful magic artifact made with lost magic. 10-1 its not a portal as much as it just instantly kills who ever passes through it. The body being magically unmade in the process.

I think in a way though, Harry also was either very clearly the true bearer of the hallows or at least represented them from the very beginning. His wand was regularly able to defeat Voldemort (blocking the killing curse), he regularly found himself in situations bringing his parents ghosts back to help him (or even with the mirror) and in the end it was he who regularly escaped death, until he finally took off his cloak, walked to the forest and embraced it.

" Don't pity the dead Harry pity the living and above all those who live without love."

Thanks for the video! 😊

Very curious brings up a good question,if a wizard becomes master of death and has all 3 Hallows could he go into the veil,unharmed to retrieve those locked inside without dying.

1:49-2:12 That sounds suspiciously similar to how Thestrals can only be seen by those who have witnessed death, like Harry and Luna, making me wonder if there’s a connection between the two.

Interesting theory. I like how you explain this with information available from HP canon and not dwelling around other folklore and mythology to make it fit. That part of the Resurrection Stone being a small piece that fell off the frame of the Vail is very interesting and very well thought out. The Vail reminds me of that light tunnel in the island from LOST, where Jacob pushes his brother in and he becomes The Smoke.

In my Head Canon, the Veil found inside the Ministry of Magic’s Department of Mysteries is a one-way portal into the Void, also known as the Great Beyond. It is a self-contained force of nature, older than the world, older than time, older even than Death itself. It was not “created” by Death. If anything, should Death actually exist as some kind of being, he probably entered the Wizarding World through the Veil sometime in the distant past. The archaic stone archway surrounding the Veil is what anchors it into the Wizarding World and it probably originated in some long ago castle or stronghold. My story canon also holds that literally every fictional universe has a portal somewhere that leads to the Void-one notable example being the Dark Portal of Talo from Marvel’s “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.”

It could be that at some point someone got ahold of the Elder Wand and Resurrection Stone (but not the cloak, unless it was one of Harry’s ancestors) and used both to create the Veil. Or it’s suppose to be a Dolmen type structure that is still active.

What if Beedle the Bard is a pen name used by the third Peverell brother, so he could chronicle his adventures and tales.

The veil is a known metaphor in philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised if J.K Rowling is quite familiar with its symbolism. As an example Plato talks about "the Veil of ignorance"

I thought the "bridge" the brothers were trying to create to cross the "river" were just metaphors for The Veil and their perilous journey to conquer death.

I actually checked out a copy of "Tales of Beedle the Bard" from the local library. I read the story of the Deathly Hallows as allegory.

Absolutely brilliant video again. Video idea- what would Harry’s personality be like and would his friendship groups be the same if he had been raised by his parents and had serious in his life?

Okay this was a dang great video. It really makes you think. I love the idea of the stone being nothing more than a piece of the veil.

So if Dumbledore thinks the Peverol Brothers were the likely wizards gifted enough to create the deathly hallows, and the deathly hallows have many parallels to the veil; Then I feel it follows logically that the veil was most likely created by those same brothers. It is certainly old enough to be from that same Era :) "I guessed! But my guesses usually turn out to be acurate" -Albus Dumbledore ❤

It's probably tied into whatever creation myths the Wizarding world have, don't think anything like that was established in the lore so far as I know.

I've always wondered if ghosts could "pass on" if they went through the veil

I always saw it as the ability to hear the voices behind the veil worked the same as the thestrals where you had to have witnessed death(someone die) to be able to see it so anyone who can see a thestral can hear the voices from behind the veil, Also a possible explanation for the veils construction could be a very powerful wizard who had the unique ability to see the spirits of lost souls of both Wizard and Muggles and decided to try and make the veil that he could guide lost souls to so they can then pass over and be at peace so he created the veil and the department of mysteries was formerly his lab that was later found and expanded upon by the pevril brothers who then created the deathly hallows using the research of the wizard who became known as death and then when the ministry of magic was created the built it around this site

There is a theory that the brothers had created so called 'pre-Hallows' before creating the main ones: Antioch created the Philosopher's stone, Cadmus created the Veil and Ignotus created the Pensieve.

I really enjoy this line of theories. I think it also possible that the hallows were created somehow, as opposed to gifts from "Death". One thing that always stuck out to me, was when Harry first got the cloak. Ron instantly recognized what it was and claimed they are rare. This implies that there are others (though maybe knockoffs of this original), that have been created. If it was that lucrative of an item, you'd think a small child wouldn't immediately recognize it.

Thanks for your videos - I’ve seen nearly all of it. It would be great to know if wizards have regular armies, why no - or if yes, how it functions. Same about intelligence service and magic police (not aurors, since aurors, as far as I understand deal with especially dangerous dark wizards).

The new MAX (HBO) app I think upgraded the movies in 4K, HDR! It's way better viewing experience. In the first movie I noticed another wand shop sign on the right, I'd never seen before.

Love the video

Awesome as always thanks

I'm glad to say you're one of few channels I give my 👍 first then watch the video! 🤭

Hi can you do a video on if a horcrux or power of sacrificial protection of love can survive the veil . Also keep up with the awesome content and history for these videos

I would love to see a book and show about the Unspeakables who work at the Department of Mysteries. It could be like the X-Files of the Harry Potter universe.

It _is_ plausible and more likely to think that the Peverell brothers _themselves_ are the creators of the Deathly Hallows, and I'd bet my own wand that Hermione Granger herself would strongly agree with that theory, as even Albus Dumbledore voiced his doubts that the Three Brothers met the personification of Death on a lonely road, and we all know Hermione has a stubborn adherence to logic in spite of being a witch talented in magic But personally, I feel the question itself is moot. I feel The Veil is really a mystery that's not truly meant to be solved and is more a means to help one understand the concept of death while also being cautious around it, since passing through it is pretty much the same as dying I am open-minded but I do keep a sensible sense of skepticism and logic but not to the point that I have to know the workings of the natural wonders of our world. Does knowing a rainbow is simply a trick of light through moisture left over from a rain shower make it any less beautiful and wondrous and inspiring? I honestly am not sure if there truly is a personification of Death in the Wizarding World, but even if there was I wouldn't really want to find out. The "Tale of the Three Brothers" was actually inspired by a real-life fairy tale about three men who went looking for Death (the personification) and they found Death in the forms of their own demises, meaning it was a cautionary tale The Death portrayed in "The Three Brothers" felt rather petty and akin to the vain and selfish gods of Greek myth in how he "felt cheated" by the Brothers avoiding their own deaths by using magic to make a bridge over a dangerous river "where travelers usually drowned". The fact Death "congratulated" the Brothers on their magical skills and offering them each a "prize" in recognition, clearly a trap to beguile them so he could snare them anyway, only to be outsmarted by the youngest, who successfully lived to a ripe old age and meet Death on his _own_ terms In other depictions of Death, modern or otherwise, Death is often portrayed as indifferent yet devoted to his role in taking those who have died on to their afterlives, a more... orderly figure who fulfills his role in maintain the balance of life and death. Of course, Death can be portrayed differently based on how others see him/her/it in order to have a "Death" that fits their idea and the role they want for Death to fulfill in their own stories, whether they're modern fiction, cultural depictions, or even in traditional folklore, and yet for the most part Death does not actively seek to kill someone, simply waiting for them to die before taking action (exceptions vary, such as trying to cheat death for example). Sure, the Death in "The Three Brothers" did not directly kill the oldest and middle brothers, but he did set them up to meet their ends with his "gifts", and only the youngest outwitted Death by using his own cloak against him, presenting us with an example that Death, though inevitable, is not truly unbeatable. Not in the sense of "conquering death" like many believe or think, but in the sense that Death can be outdone in some way Did Death truly create the Deathly Hallows? Did Death create The Veil? I don't think we'll ever truly know... unless JK Rowling confirms one way or another

Because of the shape of the room with the veil being on a dais in the middle of stone steps that could be used a benches and the fact that it was on the same floor as the wizard courts, I always assumed it had been used by the Ministry to issue the death sentence.

Could also have been created to let ghosts pass to the other side. Observing the world probably becomes old after a few milennia

One of the most interesting things about the folklore of magic, is that the term of "The Viel" always represented as a metaphor for a barrier or membrane between the physical and metaphysical. It could be plausible to hypothesize, that since the Wizarding World has closer ties to the metaphysical, unlike the Muggle World. I do feel with the tampering that the Ministry has done with the Veil over time. That the line it represents in the allegory as a barrier or line between life and death is much thinner in the Wizarding World. Plus it becomes a threshold between the two worlds over time. Thin, and blurred between the realities.

Oh my gosh. You make my brain hurt! Great video.

Mesmerizing

I'd like to think that there is a personification of death and the Veil was how he travelled to and from the Mortal World to the Deathly World. After the Veils capture he stopped his holidays into the Mortal World which is why nobody encounters him anymore.

What if the Veil of Death was actually in fact, the Guardian of Forever from Star Trek? Anyone who entered the portal was sent back to a random point in time and given a chance to correct past mistakes. The only difference from the Star Trek lore is that those in the current time stream stay as they are and aren't affected by the changes made in an alternate universe.

The theory about Death created the Veil is the best😊.

Hi❤ can you please tell us what happened with Fang after the battle of Hogwarts? Thank you!

I know it's necessary for the plot of the story, but I love how half a dozen teenagers are granted access to the deepest, darkest recesses of government, at the dead of night, and there are no security measures in place to stop this from happening. 😂😂

I hope j.k do a book about peverell brothers?did peverell brothers created unforgivable curses and veil?which house was peverell brothers in?did albus say that peverell brothers were dark wizards?

I cannot discount the possibility that Beedle the Bard could have been an Avatar of death itself. What a spin would it be if it was Beedle who created the 3 hallows and lived through the ages changing his name and appearance as an Avatar of Death. Like how Marvel's Moon Knight was an Avatar for Khonshu.

I think history and Harry Potter universe is filled with ancient powerful magics that are better off consigned to history then actively available

"In time the brothers reached a river too treacherous to pass, but being learned in the magical arts the three bothers simply waved their wands and made a bridge." Perhaps the Brothers made the veil. Having started the department with its first mystery - to study death. progress made the hallows. Ending with the cloak with death reluctantly gave, suggesting the cloaks production was particularly difficult and no further progress was made after that.

I subscribed to the Super Carlin Brother's theroy that the Peveril Brothers were very talented wizards who created the Hallows. I dont think there is an actual death who gave them the Hallows. The Carlin Brothers also have a theroy about the veil which is really good. I subscribe to that theroy too.

They could be linked as could the pensive and cloak and the mirror and elderwand

Without proper novels, MACUSA will never have the depth as the Ministry of Magic but I wonder if they have wonderful and evocative chambers, yaknow besides the [i'm never watching that scene again] nightmare fuel execution [without due process] chamber.

And the concept of death being a being has been around for centuries, alot of people call him "the grim reaper". Does a skeletal being in a big black roab with a sythe comes and takes dying people to the after life? Its an ancient myth in many mythologies. 🤷‍♀️ Death has been something humanity has questioned since the beginning of humanity. We fear the unknown.

Here is a thought… if acquiring and holding all 3 hollows makes you the master of death; then couldn’t the person holding all 3 artifacts freely passed through the vail and then return to the world of the living?

Let's take the Hallows at face value. We know the cloak is passed from father to son, and Harry gets it from his father..... What if the Potter line is descended from that Peverell brother? Also, what if the Hallows are what actually protected Harry? It seems likely to me the kind of artefact you would use to try to protect your baby - if so Harry would've had the cloak on him both times Voldemort tries kill him. Also consider Dumbledore must've had all 3 Hallows at a point, Maybe for 11-12 years!

Both the Pensive (which was already there before Hogwarts was built) and the veil seem like previous iterations - a prototype if you will - of the final, "Hallows" 🤔🤔 🤔🤔

would the veil allow a ghost to die fully? is there a theory there?

Wasn't the veil mentioned in King Arthur legends?

🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁 THE LION WAS HERE 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁 No. 2500 -----> Yes, of course death is real, and we all will face it in our own time and way. As for the Chamber of Death, this too is real, at least is so seems to me in the context of the story. Now I think that it was created by wizards who wanted to explore the realms of the living and the dead. The idea was to go in, look around and come back with a report. Like explorers visiting a cave looking for treasure, but instead find a nest of manticore. Naturally they do not return and so the legend of the cave grows. Naturally nobody can possibly return from the chamber of death and thus nobody knows what is on the other side of the veil. Upon death most people simply disappear, go into the ground into the ocean, or into the veil, no report ever returns from the other side. Those wizards who became ghosts cannot tell of the other side because they have never been there. Professor Dumbledore mentions several times to "Go On", but then cannot tell what is beyond. It is like placing your hopes on Heaven, but remember that the prospect of Hell also remains. Dante's Divine Comedy illustrates all three options: Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, but it, like the Bible itself is but a story which you can choose to believe or ignore. (At you own great peril... but the choice remains with you.) But there is no half way point. Either you live or you die, and mankind has invented many ways to die, but none to return

After the death of sirius black by falling into that veil can harry contacts and talk with sirius to standing in front that veil?

My history of magic teacher.

Perhaps the only ones who can hear the voices beyond the veil are the same as those who actually saw and understood death? Seems like it is possible as only Harry and Luna heard the voices.

I think the rock that forms the veil also powers that veil and that the resurrection stone is part of the veil.

I never thought of this before but maybe the veil was used to dispose of employees of the ministry who had naturally died.

When it comes to the veil itself, you might want to look a little further than just Harry Potter lore.

I think 3 wizards, not necessary brothers by birth but in wizardry crossed a bridge 1 day that crumbled beneath thier feet. They were powerful and evil, maybe it was because of a fight with other wizards.1 broke his wand, the others fiancee was killed in front of thier very eyes by the rumble and the other most likly was scarred in to seeing terrestrials that day. There is a whole dept that looks it the mysteries of death, maybe a lot becomes seen once youve faced death and the brothers were the 1st unspeakables to explore that.

Ooo. A piece that broke off makes sense.

What would happen if someone uses the invisibilty cape to cross the veil ?

I like to think that Death was in fact a real ancient wizard. Someone who long ago became a powerful wizard who transcended life.

Yeha

Hasn't this portal between life and death been in multiple mythologies? I mean many cultures believe there is a gateway between the land of the living and the dead. Heck its even in religion. Heck, many believe this concept is real, and that there really is a portal.

I think Death was real that would explain the Veil, the three deathly hallows he might also have created the Dementor but yes I’m pretty sure that is real

Maybe the veil was the bridge created by the brothers to escape death thus creating the deathly hallows as a result

I wonder if a patronus can pass through the veil?

The holy bible also talk about a "veil" perhaps its link to that? I know not any other book who reference death like that

To be honest I thought the veil is a form of punishment for dark wizard, a witches who breaks wizaring law

I have a random question? Didn't Harry kill professor qurielle in his first year. If that's the case shouldn't he be able to see thresals.

Ok, so hear me out.... The Peverell didn't create the Hollows right? Death gifted them to them and they took them as their own and, each one with his own, split, took different ways and, in doing that, helped to keep the Hollows apart. Now, the true power of the Hollows is only exploited when they are together, hence, the true Master of Death is the one who brings them together under one only person's ownership. When giving away the gifts, Death bet on human greedines to keep them apart. The Veil could have been the ultimate challenge to become the true Master of Death, as only the person who truly own and master the 3 Hollows can "unVeil" the secret between the 2 realms. Also, the arc itself is not in its original position.

the veil was there before the ministry of magic and death was real

If only a little piece of the arch could bring back the shadows of the dead, surley the whole veil could do it to... so no, the resurection stone is not a piece of the arch of death.

Just did a test to see what house I fall into, apparently I'm a Ravenclaw lol

Final destination soul freightners Monty python meaning of life and grim adventure of Billy and Mandy etc.

Am I the only one who wants to know what the background music is???

Why couldn't dumbledore conquer death? He may have fallen for Voldemorts trap but now had the stone, wand and invisible cloak through Harry. So why couldn't Dumbledore conquer Voldemorts curse anf become unkillable

Cloaks is the best.

Death created the when he couldn't find the youngest brother, hidden by the cloak of invisibility!

I think the veil was the bridge created by the three brothers. Wouldn’t that be an interesting story?

Now we say that the story is fictitious but the items given to the brothers and the brothers themselves are very real. So who's to say the story isn't real?

Enigmatic

Prevalence was not the word you wanted.

Script writing hint: Don't use the same multisylabic word more than once in any paragraph. You've abused the word 'enigmatic' in this video the same way I abused 'thus' in my senior paper.

The cow and the bull

Through time, history, religion, and fictional works, there has always been a struggle between good and evil. David v Goliath. Terrorist v soldiers and civilians. Harry v Tom. Sauron v middle earth. Jedi v sith. Gov v the people. There is always struggle in fiction and the real world. I’m not going to get into religion. To each their own on their beliefs, but there has always been some version of God and the Devil. No matter what your views are though, the one constant to everything is that where there is life, there will be death. Even Flamel met death eventually. Although I do not believe death is a wizard, but something else entirely as unique as God and the Devil. Unlike good v evil or God v the Devil, death is there to help us move from the land of the living to beyond. Those who reject death end up as ghosts. For Harry, had he chosen to board the train in limbo, I believe death would have been the conductor. The Hallows and Veil being created by death makes sense. Being on the same power level as God and the Devil, death is the only one who could have created them.

Sounds silly and maybe this has been addressed, but why couldn’t they ask a ghost what happens? They chose to come back, so they must have some knowledge of the other side

6 minutes of this video contained the word "enigmatic."

nederland

Makes no sense whatsoever that the resurrection stone is a piece of the veil

I think ancient magic from hogwarts legacy could explain the veil.

Just out of curiosity have you been cancelled for being a Harry Potter channel?