If the Coyotes do build this new stadium, I hope the keep "Mullet night" from their current home rink, Mullett Arena, where the first 1,000 fans through the turnstiles get a free mullet wig.
If it’s a pure hockey arena, it won’t work. If it’s like this though, where it functions as an entertainment district that is open year round and just happens to also have the Coyotes’ connection, I could see the east valley getting behind it. AZ just isn’t a hockey state, and, outside of the North country, people really don’t play it at all. BUT, Phx Open and Spring Training are huge out here because it’s an overall entertainment appeal (bars, breweries, concerts, environment, games etc.) around the initial event reason for going (golf, baseball, hockey?) that also appeals to the occasional real fan while maybe accidentally creating new ones. Could work and that area, with easy freeway access, can tap into the North Phx, Scottsdale, Tempe, Chandler, Gilbert, and Mesa areas where their fans are.
@@NHLCrazy2007 That's in part because there are less than 20 rinks throughout the entire state, including Tucson and Flagstaff. That's not many and there's aren't many opportunities to just play outside recreationally. For comparison purposes, there are 200+ in Minnesota and that's not to mention you can play recreationally outside in those colder states. It's not to say people in Arizona don't play hockey at all but they play it a lot less than other states.
You cannot compare them. We know Arizona is a non-traditional hockey state. But it is growing and that is despite the Coyotes current struggles to secure their future. Their presence is why hockey has grown at the grassroots level. Without the Coyotes, there would not be... ▶NO Arizona State University Division 1 hockey program ▶NO Mullett Arena ▶NO University of Arizona team ▶NO Grand Canyon University hockey program ▶NO Tucson Roadrunners ▶NO Arizona Kachinas girls hockey programs ▶NO Arizona High School Hockey Association (AHSHA) and their annual tournaments ▶NO NHL players coming out of Arizona such as Auston Matthews, Matthew Knies and Tage Thompson I don't care if you don't believe it or are against it. Get this arena deal done.
@@penguinsfan251 On July 1st, it will be 28 years for the Coyotes. But yes, longer than that with other local hockey teams that were there before them such as the IHL's Phoenix Roadrunners and WCHL's Phoenix Mustangs.
That's never going to work. For this team to be successful, they either need to be in Downtow Phoenix, Tempe, or South Scottsdale. Anything less, and they still won't draw.
You're forgetting about the new stadium smell effect. People will come just to see what it's like. Also, it's a relatively wealthy area of the Valley so people there will be able to afford tickets. The ? then becomes will they start winning after going into their new digs. They couldn't do that when they moved to Glendale until the NHL took them over & then went downhill after they were sold.
I agree with you. The '101' in that area is very congested and it will be the only way to go there. The Coyotes' arena should be near a light rail leg.
Arizona Coyotes were slapped with a tax lien by the city of Glendale. A tax lien is worse than being sued, it's forclosure for lack of paying taxes....
Even if they are the winning bid for the land, I heard there are no services available on that property (electricity, sewage, water, other utilities). So, how much would it cost all-in just to build the arena complex part complete with all utilities and amenities, which looks massive and expensive, and whose going to pay for it?
OK, look. I've tried to be as neutral in this never-ending saga with the Coyotes as humanly possible. But now, I've gotta say it -- I don't like the Coyotes' chances of winning this auction and staying in Arizona long-term. If the Coyotes lose, that's it. Enough is enough. The NHL needs to get the Coyotes out of Arizona as soon as possible.
You see, @@Denozo88? That's exactly what I'm trying to say! Now, I'm not a gambling man. But if I were, I'd be willing to bet you that Utah (or more specifically, Salt Lake City) would be a great place to house the Coyotes.
The Coyotes can have a better fan base in the bikini bottom compared to Arizona. Just leave at this point to a market thats better suited for a hockey team than in a desert
This is just a bad argument at this point, Phoenix is a top 10 populated city in the US. The reason is they actually have sucked for the past 25+ years. Once the rebuild is over, you’ll see a surge in the fan base. You can see it in Vegas which is just as much of a desert than Arizona
@@PlanetToaster y'all have been saying that for 25 years. big population centers don't = nhl success. if it did phx. would be a success and atl. wouldn't have failed twice. and rebuild winning will fix things? haha because only snowbird fans give a fk about nhl in az. Recent wings game had 2/3 wings fans in mullet. 3200 of 4600 were wings fans.
@@stevenbauer4799 exactly. Phoenix has proven with the NHL franchise i,s that it is currently over saturated. NFL,NBA and the new saga brewing with the D'backs says it all.
@@stevenbauer4799 Phx is objectively one of the absolute hottest sports markets in north America right now. leaving would be terrible for the NHL. 5m population and still one of the fastest growing large metros in the nation. Being a popular destination for snowbirds is also very helpful, especially in the short term. Get an arena, field a competitive team worth watching, and great things will follow. Simple as that.
No mention of a temporary return to Desert Diamond Arena. You know where they played before. How did you miss that in your research? You claimed they left footprint straight to ASU.
Um, you know they are not ever returning to Glendale, right? That is a false claim. And yes, Depressed Ginger did get that part wrong of where the Coyotes left almost 2 years ago.
@ NHLCrazy2007 Yes, I know that. But he suggests possible temporary solutions and leaves that out. It would never happen, but neither would temporarily relocating to another state, which he does suggest.
One thing that NHL executives are very well aware of that is motivating them to keep the Coyotes in Arizona is that there is a lot of money floating around the metro Phoenix area. Lots of Silicon Valley companies have a presence in Arizona now. I saw a recent ranking that listed Phoenix as having the 32nd largest economy of all cities in the world.
IF The Arizona Coyotes are fortunate to win the bid to purchase the Scottsdale desert land. It will cost more than Owner Alex Meruelo has I'm quite sure. The NHL is close to being fed up with all of Meruelo' lies and games. I live in the valley. I want to see hockey here. I too am FED UP WITH ALEX MERUELO! As a fan, I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE CRAP THAT GOES ON WITH THIS TEAM! They'll end up moving!😢
@@christophereyrich3263 Not sure Matt Ishiba(hope I spelled that correctly) could fix this. He does own the arena Downtown(A place many fans would perfer) which could be made once again hockey really easily. THIS would be my best case to keep the team in Arizona. For a Billionaire, Alex Meruelo IS THE WORST BUSINESSMAN IN RHE WORLD! He's pissed off his fan base to the point, I'm not sure he has a fan to put in a seat IF "The Palace" is built. I want to see hockey in the valley, I THINK FANS HAVE HEARD ENOUGH LIES AND HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF ALEX MERUELO! Ishiba may or may not be interested in adding hockey to his holdings, but he certainly has done well with the SUNS and MERCURY. He also owns the Arena. This is an option I'd be behind for sure!
I honestly believe that they Should end up building that beautiful arena I really like the Big roof from that small arena to the big arena,and I like the way the logo of the coyotes is at the top
Servalli at gm meetings. Bettman when pressed didn't come out and say with certainty 'az. coyotes will be playing in az. next season'. And nba passed o merullio as hawks owner in 2011 saying his deal to buy hawks (for cheap $300 mil.) was too highly leveraged as concerns about his finances were in question. Yeah a piece of paper saying you can bid plus a pretty drawing of arena don't = an arena.
It is nowhere close able to host NHL games. Too much money would be needed just to get it up to minimal standards. That is one reason why the Coyotes wound up at Mullett Arena, a newly built hockey arena. And why it was cheaper to fund the building of the annex for their own facilities next to the building itself. Had to be separate from the ASU hockey team's facilities.
@@DavidTupper-li5ju Correct. The Coyotes even researched the remote possibility of going there and it would have cost way too much money to get that arena up to MINIMAL NHL standards. More than what it cost them to build the annex at Mullett Arena.
..... Doubtful. Way too small of a TV market and metropolitan area compared to Houston. I think they are staying in AZ. LA metro area doesn't need 2 teams. Anaheim Ducks can go to Houston and be the Houston Ducks
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa The Utah Jazz work just fine in that market and the NHL is primarily a gate driven league. So not sure your points really work. If there's not a concrete plan in place extremely soon they'll be outta AZ.
AZ resident here. Nobody cares about the coyotes, I think I’ve seen two coyotes fans outside of going to a game since moving here in 2021. Arizona is mostly transplants that are loyal to their hometown teams, such as me with the hawks
Remember those playoff meetings between the Coyotes and Red Wings a few years ago? The games in Glendale were, in effect, just more home games for the Red Wings.
Sorts leagues: 'Transplants? Who cares?! The generations after them won't be though!!" That's why Sports leagues are committed to having teams in Arizona and Florida. They are looking at the long term demographics. These markets are diverse, rapidly growing. The descendants of the transplants will have less and less connection to the old teams with each generation.
@@FischerFan for now. But each new generation living in Arizona and Florida has less and less connection to the teams located where their grandfathers once were. Sports leagues now study long term demographics and population trends for markets. Arizona and Florida are the future and growing fast and it isn't just snow birds. These markets maybe be mostly transplants now... But California was too at one point.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasaWithin those long-term demographics are an increasing percentage of people who come from places where it is too warm to host a Winter Olympics. MLB may be committed to a couple of cities in Florida, but that doesn't mean they will be able to overrule the loyalties that fans have to the teams which hold their respective spring training camps around the state. The NHL's sunshine experiment is destined to hit the wall.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Dude this maybe true but teams can't wait 25 years for a new generation that has no ties to other more hockey oriented states to grow up.
I hate renderings like this. Except for the arena NOTHING else is ever built. That’s how these billionaires sell this use of the public’s money for any part of these projects which they could fund by themselves.
So show me just one example where the “ renderings “ came to be the final product. Just one where all the apartments, shopping areas, lots of restaurants, and parking spaces were in the finished area.
@@jeffccan4464 QUOTE: "That’s how these billionaires sell this use of the public’s money for any part of these projects which they could fund by themselves." Clearly you do not grasp any concept of this being completely privately funded.
@@NHLCrazy2007 on the land they want to buy there is no water and sewer lines. In addition the land is subject to flooding. Who is going to pay for that infrastructure, and to solve flooding problems? I think not the Coyotes. You clearly have no idea of how much owners of sports teams succeed in taking money from the public and don’t deliver on their promises. There has not been anything said about funding the arena to date. In Tempe they wanted tax breaks. It’s the he same as taking public money. You must make too much money to care about that.
@@NHLCrazy2007 The land they want to build on has no water or sewer lines. Who is going to pay for that? In addition the land they want to buy is subject to flooding. In the Tempe plan they wanted tax breaks, which is the same as taking public money. Which is the same as taking public money, unless you make enough money to not care about having your taxes fund “ billionaires “
This is a little disappointing. The title seemed to indicate it was a done deal. The content indicated it was very much otherwise. I would like to see the Coyotes stay in AZ but that UT Jazz owner is really interested in getting a NHL team.
What the hell are you talking about? If you even paid any attention to factual reports, they had their State Trust land application approved so they can bid on it. That's the news here. These renderings were leaked by the team.
This is merely a blueprint. It confirms nothing one way or the other. The NHL should impose a season ticket quota be met before any ground is broken on any arena project in that city!
@@waynemcfarlane9175 I don't blame the people of Tempe for voting down the propositions last year. They saw what happened in Glendale and, even though project was to be constructed with private funds, they probably feared tax dollars being used to cover losses or some similar scenario happening all over again. The bottom line is, this team's track is not one of making profits.
@@NHLCrazy2007 Look, we get the message. Anybody who doesn't support the Coyotes staying in Arizona is a troll. Can we get you anything, like a soother?
Too small of a TV market/metropolitan area with a stagnant population. Also it's in Canada (small market Canada teams are US TV ratings poison for nationally televised games). Houston would be better. Diverse, Rapidly growing metropolitan area and a big US TV market. NHL didn't even want to leave big market, rapidly growing, diverse Atlanta (with coca cola delta airlines corporate headquarters there) for small population, white, tiny TV market Winnipeg and only did so reluctantly after they couldn't find an owner.
Another mega project with a pretty drawing to go with it that sounds good on paper but in theory will never get done. The daily yote staying or going click bait article of the day. The bigger question is-is nhl going to go along with this and give this latest land bid which wont be known until almost summer a chance? And if it fails yotes are stuck at mullett another season. If it were me i'd just cut bait after season and let the billionaire in slc with arena, interest, and $900 mil. coming for an arena, take this mess off of nhl's hands. But then again this logic gets lost on bettman whose az. hard on wont let him see that reality. Tough one for greedy gary. I hope nhl has alternate sked and smith on speed dial-they will be looking at a middle of the off-season re-location if bid fails. Just like the glendale extortion bettman pulled on them in 2013 to make glendale pay for yote losses. With seattle threat looming glendale caved at last minute-in early july.
Blah, blah, blah... so obsessed like Ryan Zinnato, that your tirades about the Coyotes are nothing but noise. And that you had to post two separate complaints on the same video.
@@joedimaggio3687 Really? And somehow what is happening with the Coyotes impacts your personal life? Does their existence give you ulcers? Migraines? Just curious.
@@stevenbauer4799if Coyotes leave they will go to fast growing, diverse, Houston or even Atlanta over small population, old, white, boring small market Quebec.
Houston or even Atlanta instead. Quebec is too small of a TV market and Metropolitan area. NHL needs America more than Canada. Because the Americans outnumber the Canadians by a huge margin. More money and TV ratings to be made in Houston. even if only a quarter of Houston cares about hockey, still more people than in Quebec, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick ect. ect.
@@NHLCrazy2007if they did leave that fast growing diverse market, they would likely go to Houston. North America hockey fans seem to be most delusional on why sports teams are where they are now. It's about a metropolitan areas size, TV market size, and how many corporate headquarters are in the market to help sponsor a team. Arizona and Houston have more people than Quebec. NHL doesn't want another repeat of Atlanta to Winnipeg (Which NHL desperately tried to keep in Atlanta but couldn't find an owner and begrudgingly let them go to Winnipeg with it's tiny TV market and who now can't even sell out the leagues smallest arena to go see a good team)
Everything is a joke with this franchise. There's a new building in Quebec City just waiting for an NHL team. Move them there, where people actually care about hockey. No one wants to see hockey in the desert, except for Gary Bettman. If people are unsure whether Quebec City can support a franchise, just remember that Montreal is 2.5 hours down the road and lots of companies that can't get tickets for games in Montreal will buy season tickets and luxury boxes in Quebec City if they are available.
🤣🤣🤣Your opinion is hilarious. Your theory no one wants hockey in Arizona is even funnier. Your pushing a relocation of the Coyotes to Quebec City makes my stomach hurt so bad from laughing so hard. Yeah, those lucrative companies and proximity from Montreal are the dealbreakers to abandon a top 10 U,S. media market for one of the smallest in all of Canada is worth such a profitable investment. Got to love these idiots that post this nonsense with zero concept of how the business of multi-billion dollar sports actually works. Thanks for playing.
AZ is growing fast. Diverse. Houston should get the Anaheim Ducks instead (LA metro doesn't need 2 teams) And rapidly fast growing Atlanta should get Devils or Islanders (NY metro doesn't need 3 teams)
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa both the Devils and Islanders have fantastic fan bases they aren’t going anywhere also the NYC metro is 25 million so 3 teams isn’t that insane
meh.. When I lived in arizona, I forgot they were even there. Something so strange about having hockey in places that rarely experience freezing temperatures. IDK. @@NHLCrazy2007
@@mikelfrance-l6xNobody in Tempe was going to pay for the project..... The only expenses Tempe would have incurred were tax exemptions for the developers of the project. (Since this project was voted to defeat, there would be no potential tax revenues anyway.) The Tempe gov't made a stupid decision to put a privately funded project up for a vote.... (imagine if Inglewood, CA did that with SoFi Stadium, if you will... ) The voters presumed the vote would be for new taxes to fund the project..... This disconnect turned the Tempe ordeal into a massive train wreck. Not to mention blacklisting Tempe from future arena considerations.
@@ElmerFudd16 I think this will be IT. Like it it. Honestly, I think the best course of action for them and the A's (MLB) is to just move to Salt Lake City
The location for the new Coyote arena is not great. It's on the '101' but that highway has tons of traffic. There is no other reasonable alternative to get there. Hockey is one of the best spectator sports. The action is continuous and furious. There are great plays all through the game. I like to go to games, but I doubt I will go to this arena. The Coyotes would be much better off if they could find a location close to a light rail station. The location in Tempe would have been fantastic.
There is a greater chance that Space Aliens will fly into Phoenix on a mid summer's day and go snow skiing on the roof of Chase Field than there is this place is ever built.
@@SFBWasTaken Okay, now that we know you live in Arizona, what makes this location bad? Look, we know it is not downtown Phoenix. We know that it is not the northwest Tempe site that did not work out. But considering the few options that the Coyotes have to be somewhere closest to the majority of season ticket holders and corporate base, where else is better? Keep in mind that the area that the Coyotes want to be in is a highly desirable location for new growth (both residential and business). It is just a 20-minute drive north of the airport. Next to Desert Ridge Marketplace and across from the Mayo Clinic campus. Also near TPC Scottsdale. Lots of financial growth potential. It is just inconvenient for those farthest from this arena spot. This is where they should go if they cannot be in DTPHX or Tempe. The team wins, the fans will go to the games. That simple.
Possibly. If they don't win the bid, that's it. Next year will be their final year in Arizona, and then in 2025-26 season, they'll (most likely) be in either SLC or Houston.
The coyotes left Central Phoenix Arena after about seven years. It was not suited for hockey. There were thousands of seats that were not able to see the ice. Terrible facility for hockey. There was talk back in the late 1990s about building an arena in Scottsdale on Scottsdale Road at the site of what was the los Arcos mall. Of course, that never happened.
Correct. Also note that the Coyotes were a tenant at what is now Footprint Center. Did not get revenue from playing there. That was a financial issue from the start. Steve Ellman is to blame for why the Los Arcos project died.
@@NHLCrazy2007 No. Now, let me ask you a simple question: What % of ticketholders will want to take a cab or public transit to a site that is miles away from the core of Phoenix, Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, and Glendale...?
@@michaelmarkowski204 Well then if you have not, don't make a stupid statement like that in not knowing how anyone in and around Phoenix gets around town. Despite them not having the same transit options as places like New York City, Philadelphia or Washington, I don't know what the percentage is for Phoenix, but it is likely higher they need to depend on their own means compared to strictly public transportation. And whatever it is, it should not matter to you. Let them worry about how they to get to games, not you. And as far as parking goes, Alex Meruelo would not be brain dead where he would not include it for both residential and commercial areas.
@@slapshotjack9806 First of all, proofread what you write. And yeah, you keep believing that. You don't have an interest to go, no one is forcing you. But a dumb unproven statement by you about many other fans that will go just will not cut it.
@@NHLCrazy2007 "Renderings of an incredible plan have you calling it a waste of money" How many renderings have they put out that haven't come to fruition? We've literally lost count at this point!
He said one of the renderings looks like a mimi Superdome. For real?! Its looks more like the Saddledome than the superdome. The complete opposite roof design.
Too Microscopic of a TV market and Metropolitan area which is mostly why the Whalers left. When the Whalers existed their fans got outnumbered by Bruins and Rangers fans in their Home stadium. Hartford is a farm league market.
North American Ice Hockey fans are the most delusional on why sports teams are located where they are. And don't understand why NHL is trying hard to keep a team in AZ. Sports leagues look for 5 things on deciding where teams are. 1. The area's TV market size. More people means more potential customers. Watching on TV and buying hats is JUST as important as actual stadium attendance. So more people = more potential to make money 2. The Metropolitan area's long term population demographics. Is it growing in population? Is it shrinking? What will the area look like in a few decades? How many potential customers will you have? 3. The area's Corporate base. If a lot of wealthy mega corporations are headquartered in a market, they can help sponsor the team and give the team abd league advertising revenue. 4. Potential Owners. (This why NHL begrudgingly allowed big market, fast growing, diverse Atlanta to move to small market, stagnant population, white Winnipeg. And only did so because no billionaire in Atlanta wanted to buy. Had a billionaire in Atlanta stepped up and bought, NHL doesn't allow a move. Different from AZs situation.) 5. Stadium/Arena situation. Your team needs a place to play. Is there a stadium/areana? If so is it obsolete? If it's obsolete will get a new one? If no place at all, will the metropolitan area help you get one? These 5 reason are why teams are where they are. Remember, at the end of the day professional sports is a BUSINESS. The goal is to make as much money as possible.
Yet they lost money for 26 years, with abysmal local interest and tv ratings, before having to crash on a college team's couch. What does all that tell you?
Then why keep a franchise in a market where it has done nothing but drain revenues? Do you think the NFL would put up with a turkey like the Coyotes for five minutes? Look, Mexico City is 5-6 times larger than Phoenix, but that is no proof, in itself, that it would be a profitable venture for the NHL. Phoenix has been one of the NHL's longtime bottom feeders when it comes to television ratings within their market. Jerry Moyes himself, who owned the team, told Glendale City Council, 'We don't have a fan base here. Hockey is not made for the desert.'. People go to Arizona to retire and play golf, NOT to watch hockey! Look, even the Diamondbacks have had a nasty curve thrown at them by MLB recently.
@@FischerFan 1. Mexico City is in a 3rd world country with a different language and culture. (While Canada is a developed country that mostly speaks English and is basically a culture clone of the US) 2. If Hockey works in Tampa Carolina and Vegas... It can work in AZ 3. Demographics matter.. population matters. Diversity matters. The number of corporate sponsors matter. AZ checks all those boxes. 4. NHL didn't even want to move Atlanta to Winnipeg but only did so begrudgingly. 5. If AZ does move, NHL will want another team there just like with Atlanta. And Houston probably gets one too..Because they are now too big of markets to ignore
