The people of Tempe voted strongly against propositions to build a $2.3 billion entertainment district that would have included a new arena for the Coyotes.
Blame Tempe's leadership. They ignored Phoenix's interest in airport noise agreement they have with Tempe. Phx had to contact Tempe residents directly. Tempe leadership finally worked out an agreement with Phx, but then refused to document it as they'd previously agreed. Then, Tempe's leadership decided to "let the people decide" (as if that would outweigh its relationship & prior agreement with Phx). By the time of the election, it ALL sounded bad to the average person. All the slogans about "tax breaks for billionaires" rang true. Something smelled very wrong because of Tempe's leadership _constantly_ acting in bad faith. It didn't help that the Coyotes owner dismissed all these shenanigans, and called on voters to "stick it to Phx." He already has a bad rep with the city of Glendale. It was like everyone was seeing the same corruption arising in Tempe. If Tempe's leadership had conducted itself with integrity from the start, I'm sure voters would have approved. It smelled rotten because of how Tempe's leadership conducted itself. (The local pop media is fairly useless too. They're a baloney canon of low-quality information.).
Blame a lack of fans in Arizona.....7.5 million population and constantly bottom of the league in attendance and they lose the most money out of every franchise. Every other state or province in the NHL with a population of 7 million has success...only Atlanta and Phoenix failed EVERY SINGLE YEAR. GO AWAY.
Columbus can barely support hockey. I'm way more bothered that the Coyotes have been given permission to fail endlessly for close to 30 yrs, while Québec is beyond ready but without an NHL franchise. Remparts de Québec draw over 18000 fans . That's more fans than the combined attendances of Coyotes, Roadrunners, and Gladiators.
Quebec lost their team (to Denver) because they couldn't support hockey either. What's different now? And why should voters have to support a sports entity when that entity should be fully supported by its fans and owners?
@@adotintheshark4848 Québec & Winnipeg lost their franchise because Gary Bettman had a quench for large U.S. tv markets. Since 2005, there's a hard salary cap, and Centre Videotron is a state of the art arena. There are over 18000 fans in attendance of Remparts de Québec games. That's more than the combined attendances of Coyotes, Roadrunners, & Gladiators.
Drawing 18,000 fans at minor league hockey prices, is much different when those fans will have to pay for tickets that maybe double or triple the price! Will they do that when the Canadian economy/dollar is depressed?
As an outsider, considering Ive heard all the old boomers complain about ASU being too loud they should just go live in florida if they want peace and quiet. All the old boomers are ruining every part of the world, maybe once they all die off all us youngins will finally be able to fix our cities for once.
It is wrong to say that ice hockey can't be successful in Arizona. Las Vegas is in the desert, and yet their hockey team has been very successful over the past six years, and they won the Stanley Cup in 2023. The other four teams that advanced to the Stanley Cup semifinals or finals were from Texas, Florida, and North Carolina. Another team from Florida has played in the last three previous Stanley Cup finals and has won two of them.
@@stevenfernando9490 Auston Matthews....born in California. Honed his skills in Plymouth, Michigan. Played pro in Switzerland AND Toronto....Ah yes Arizona, 0.12% hockey registration in 2020....it was 0% in the 90s. Way to grow the game.
@@imrustyokay It failed in Atlanta, and is failing in Phoenix (both southern markets) The teams that lose the most money for the league are Anaheim, Carolina, Florida and Arizona lol (all southern markets). It is southern markets. That is where the failure lies. There is no hockey culture.
Ice hockey can be successful in Arizona with the right ownership nobody thought Texas, Florida, Vegas, Carolina would be successful if they can so could Arizona
All of the teams you have named have had serious financail woes at one point or another except Vegas who have only been in the league for 6 years and the league seriously stacked the cards in their favor from the veryt beginning starting with the expasion draft. What could have been in Arizona is irrelivant now if Tempe would rather have a landfill than a $2.1 Billion arena with $1.9 funded by the team it's clear that it's time to move on.
I completely disagree with where the blame for the failure lands. The Coyotes organization has had it's fair share of screw ups in the last quarter century but if the voters would rather have a land fill that they will eventually have to pay to clean up instaed of a $2.1 Billion dollar sports and entertainment arena that's 90% privately funded, I think that says it all.
_"if the voters would rather have a land fill that they will eventually have to pay to clean up"_ The problem was Tempe's leadership acting in bad faith with Phx & the agreement Tempe has to avert airport noise complaints. First: Tempe's leadership acted like there was no agreement to consider. This led to Phx contacting Tempe residents directly to make them aware of what was happening (possible ramifactions). This was the first whiff of "corruption." Second: Tempe's leadership met with Phx & reached an agreement. Phx dropped its concerns until Tempe's leadership renegged, refusing to document what they previously agreed to. The second whiff. Third: By the time of the election, supporters of the "district" were putting up signs saying "don't let Phx tell you what to do." The already compromised Coyotes owner was blaming everything on Phx. To many voters the "taxbreaks for millionaires" slogan was ringing true. Something sounded "off" about all of this. It could have been averted if Tempe's leadership had negotiated in good faith with all principles. It was like they were 100% opposed to that, which evoked images of the drama the Coyotes had in Glendale. I blame Tempe's leadership first, then the con-man Coyotes owner (he just wanted his deal. He didn't care how he got it.). I actually blame the local baloney-canon media who are more interested in appearance over substance.
@@Lana-nu1mh It's like me moving to Arizona, starting a business, and demanding the city of Phoenix to build the offices. And then they're dumb enough to do it.
footprint center their old arena in phoenix converted to NBA exclusively gila arena in glendale sued the team tempe overwhelmingly voted to not build an arena Between 2013 and 2023 the Arizona Coyotes have lost more money for the NHL than any other team....$115 million USD in losses. The team has NEVER generated money for the league. The only option is to relocate to a hockey market. Milwaukee, Portland, Houston and Quebec City have NHL ready arenas.
I don’t live in Phoenix. So help me out here. The suns used to play at a place called the madhouse on McDowell. I know that arena is still standing. What is around there? Could a team buy the arena, and build a new arena on that property? How far is it from the population base of Scottsdale Mesa and Tempe? Who owns the madhouse on McDowell?
Madhouse,I believe, is owned by Maricopa County. Don’t wanna hate - but honestly the neighborhood around the Madhouse is one of the worst in the city. I would not feel safe walking around there at night. It’s 30 + minutes from Mesa, Scottsdale further from North Scottsdale. Closest freeway is Interstate 10. Or the 17 (Black Canyon Freeway) for access from the North. It’s a large lot used primarily for the AZ State Fair in October.
@@owengambardello6485 the Suns home was the Coyotes first home when they moved! Move to Glendale, because that arena is terrible for hockey. If they did a renovation, the suns and coyotes would have to move for a couple years during renovation. Obviously, the other option is to build a new arena and design it for both hockey and basketball. If it goes to voters, and we already saw what happened in Tempe.
@@owengambardello6485 The Coyotes moved as the building is not designed for hockey. Leaves a quarter of the bowl with no seats; and the suns management do not want to share any of the extra revenues or give up any of the good dates for events
Bettman is starting to hear rumblings from some of the NHL Governors, and if he doesn't fix the Coyotes problem, fast, he'll be shown the door. This is an embarrassment for a Major sports league!
Literally every company in Az gets tax break. Tempes fullof morons and look like that Get off my lawn crowd. Funny that none of the ideas will come to fruition.
November. One condition of that approval was requiring developers to hold a special election and allow voters the chance to support or reject the Coyotes arena. Ching said's he transitioning into a management role with another Valley community. I'm totally hypnotizing; I think they fired ching. I feel sad about it. I believe he gave the City of Tempe *Residents* an opportunity it yay or nay this bill. And *WE* the community decided against it
@@chevelle1 Winnipeg has a team. Atlanta 5.5 million people moved to Winnipeg in 2010. The team never generated money until they moved to Winnipeg. Quebec City is larger than Winnipeg. Fun fact: Arizona ALSO doesn't generate any money for the league. $115.2 million in losses between 2013 an 2023.
@@ErrisOfficial Atlanta has failed twice and has less people than Houston...so no. And Atlanta would still HAVE TO BUILD A NEW ARENA just like the idiots in Arizona. PLUS Georgia has some of the worst hockey registration numbers in North America....so there are literally WAY better options than Atlanta. Thrashers moved in 2010 to Winnipeg (700 thousand population) and immediately started making money, Atlanta was a DISASTER. Lost $130 million between 2005 and 2010 lmfao. Portland, Milwaukee, Quebec are all better hockey markets than Atlanta. Houston would be a smarter option.
Every true hockey fan knows hockey doesn't work in Arizona it's time to say goodbye to the Coyotes and move them to Quebec Arizona's best bet is the Diamondbacks they won the world series in 2001 I think base ball will do better than hockey
@Lana-nu1mh That's Vegas they built there team from scratch Arizona should come to the fact that hockey doesn't work there where was the NHL when Minnesota Quebec Winnipeg and Hartford were in trouble did the NHL help keep those teams stay alive?? No so why keep fighting for Arizona?? hockey was over when Winnipeg moved there in 1996
10:43 - I understand this sentiment, but the number of markets that can support teams in all four major sports leagues is dwindling to a precious few, and there's no shame not being in that club. The Coyotes have to compete for discretionary fan and corporate sponsorship incomes with the Suns, Cardinals and Diamondbacks. Meanwhile in markets such as Oklahoma City and Sacramento in the NBA, Columbus and Raleigh in the NHL? They've learned that being the only dog at the bowl is better than being the runt of a four-team litter.
Good points. I might add simply, if a city can't support a team then that team shouldn't be there..And who in that city should support it? The fans, those who have a vested interest and the owners, that is all. In Arizona, the people agree.
If they have to stay in the central division: Austin TX, Houston TX, or Salt Lake City are reasonable options. If not, could we see a return of the Quebec Nordiques?
Milwaukee would be the best option in the Central in my opinion, Wisconsin LOVES hockey, plus you have great rivalry with minnesota and chicago just waiting
The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating. - The Arizona Coyotes have lost $115.2 million USD between 2013 and 2023 (according to Forbes Business of Hockey). That is more than any other team in the NHL over that same period. - The Arizona Coyotes DO NOT generate money for the league. - The Coyotes can't stay in Phoenix anymore because the footprint center converted to basketball exclusively. - The Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths. - The team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes. - The team was rejected by the cities of Scottsdale AND Tempe. How many cities are left? Mesa? Muerello bought land in Reno, Nevada, but a second team in Nevada is absolutely laughable... Let's see. The Coyotes will play at Mullet Arena until 2023-2024 minimum. There is NO arena planned. There is NO city chosen. Yet....I heard the border of Scottsdale (and there are NO FANS in that area apparently LMFAO what a disaster) They still have to purchase the land... and then BREAK GROUND And then build a brand new arena from scratch, minimum 3 years construction (assuming there are NO delays). ClimatePledge Arena, T-Mobile, and Little Caesars all took between 2 and 4 years to complete....so if they BREAK GROUND IN JULY 2024...the ABSOLUTE soonest they would be ready is the 2026-27 season (without ANY delays)....so you would have to play in Mullet Arena for 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25,2026-27...and assuming there are NO delays, there are always delays with construction HAHAHAHA And that's if they don't get resoundingly rejected by Scottsdale, like the Tempe vote was. 2027 is the realistic soonest possible date for a new arena construction. Therefore... The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
Quebec City is the best bet just based on maximum revenues that any owner would receive. I have calculated that the Quebec team would generate in excess of $60 million extra per season vs remaining in the current arena in Arizona. If you add in extra money from souvenir sales, broadcast rights, advertising etc. the increased revenue would be enormous for a team in Quebec City. Till Gary Bettman retires it may not happen as he has shown such a stubbornness to keep a team in Arizona which will be his most negative downfall while on his way out.
@@adotintheshark4848 Well does Winnipeg have a team now???? And which city has a larger population again, Winnipeg or Quebec City? Oh REALLY Quebec City is larger? And Winnipeg Jets have an NHL team that soldout EVERY home game between 2010 and 2020....ten years of home sellouts....that's a real hockey market. Who has an NHL arena, Arizona or Quebec City???? Oh Quebec again! Who has a higher attendance Arizona Coyotes AND the Tucson Roadrunners combined or the Quebec Remparts LMFAO OH REALLY??? Quebec AGAIN.
let's say, then, mismanagement. That will do any sports franchise in. Either that, or Quebec has an inferior arena for pro hockey. Perhaps not big enough? Anyway, the franchise is now doing well in Colorado.@@sampicano
they also aren't building an arena in the next 2-4 years and playing in Mullet until 2026/2027....so what now? Kansas City, Houston, Salt Lake City, and Milwaukee are all viable options in the Central division. Ryan Smith Owner of the Utah Jazz and Tilman Fertita owner of the Houston Rockets have both expressed interest in an NHL team. Quebec City has been expressing interest for years, has an NHL ready arena, and has a population larger than Winnipeg, it's the last "major" population centre in Canada without an NHL team. Portland would work, they have the MODA Center and it's a hockey market, but Arizona will lose their team.
@@fantasticvoyage262 but they ARE relocating somewhere, might as well put a team in the last major population centre in Canada that still doesn't have an NHL team
@@fantasticvoyage262 Sellout for 10 years straight....generate more money than a 5.5 million population city (Atlanta) support an AHL team and a WHL team and the University of Manitoba hockey teams while selling out for 10 years... has Arizona EVER sold out Gila? Even one game? Did you know Quebec Remparts had a higher attendance than Arizona Coyotes and the Tucson Roadrunners combined? Obviously 800 thousand people in Quebec would support a hockey team better than 7 million people in Arizona. Only a low iq person wouldn't be able to understand that.
@@fantasticvoyage262 HAVE THE ARIZONA COYOTES EVER SOLD OUT A HOME GAME AT GILA ARENA???? There's 7.5 million people in Arizona. Winnipeg has 830,000 thousand and sold out for ten years straight. I mean it sounds obvious, what professional team NEVER recorded a home sellout...If I had one guess it would be the Coyotes. So when, what day did they sell out? Which game was it? It was probably just once if it ever happened. This week multiple NHL teams posted sold out home games LOL....Arizona NEVER. Never did it. 7.5 million people and nobody cares about hockey.
