Cragen and Stabler Have a Conversation About Stabler’s Father | NBC's Law & Order: Organized Crime 

True!! 💯

And he was the one who could actually reign them in

Yeah I wish it turned out to be that cragen said oh and I’m your father in the process that would have had me screaming that would have been interesting like seeing him make amends again 😊 sigh 😔 if only but this was nice little scene between them I wish this scene and not the rest of the other scenes took up the video

He changed a lot from his days at the 27th

A bunch of cops all have abusive dad's huh strange

😊 like stat immediately 😄

Back in the day, he always literally was annoyed by Elliot, reckless behavior. Can you imagine him meeting Hank Voight being like God, I was wrong

Yeah I Like cragin And All of them From the start

Completely agree

Loved this video!!

Yep I just wish Richard Belzer would come back as retired munch

Damn straight. Always respected Cragen.

I'm still heartbroken and it's been 11 years.. I started watching in 2007

Well said

Yeah I kinda thought he wanted Stabler to run the squad someday.. But still worked out with Benson

Ya cragen was grooming him for captain head of svu his replacement then next in line was benson

​@@mikehance6086 stabler wasn't fit for captain, Benson was.

Agree. One has to remember in the 50s 60s 70s and even into the 80s, PTSD was not talked about, especially in law enforcement; it took Vietnam veterans to open dialogue about the subject. Stabler's father, like many at the time, didn't have the support that would have helped him and his family. Law enforcement has had the highest rates of substance abuse, domestic violence, and suicides because of what they experienced in their jobs day in and day out. Stabler's father experienced those, and took it out on his family, especially Stabler's mother and Stabler himself. Stabler's mother was diagnosed as bipolar, but I also believed she may had had postpartum depression/psychosis as well (it definitely would be understandable if it was revealed that she developed postpartum after having Stabler). That and the domestic abuse may have triggered her illness. Not only that, his father came from a generation where men didn't show their feelings; they would have been perceived as wimpy, cowardly, and other negative connotations. The culture of law enforcement exacerbated it; he had to be tough on the job, but was unable to convey those feelings to his family, drinking and abusing his family was a way to convey those feelings. Mrs. Stabler left and Stabler was forced to grow up and protect his siblings from their father's abuse. Cragen knows all too well what the negative side of law enforcement does to a good person; he has been a father figure to Benson and Stabler, and helping them to navigate the rough waters. But there's one person who would understand what Stabler has gone thru and that is Benson.

I hope so. Elliot has had a hard life. He needs to come to grips with his past before he starts a new relationship with Liv or anyone else.

@@tammylewis2408 and sadly, it’s still not talked about/acknowledged nearly enough. Sure we’ve made progress in a lot of ways but unfortunately, too many people still have this attitude/mindset that people (men in particular) showing feelings/emotions that aren’t anger/rage are weak, cowardly, wimps etc.

As brief as it was, I’m still satisfied

Yeah like if only he came in the beginning or even in the middle like they met at a crime scene or something like old times that way. I wouldn’t have to be board the whole way through I only came for cragen didn’t care for any other part in the episode tbh

Was this all he was in of the episode?

I'm not going to lie.. me too. I remember watching SVU for such a long time now and have seen these two age really well.. It was so nostalgic seeing them conversate, like watching the old school svu again... God bless these people and YOU ALL 🙏❤️.

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I agree 💯 %

Am so happy to see him

I wish cragen turned out to be his dad at the end that would have been a huge shocker and a big twist at the end 😮like yasss👏👏👏

@@alexandraanderson3988 Yeah but would put his treasured mama in a bad light

@@alexandraanderson3988 He's a 2nd daddy to him anyway

And in the OG seasons 1-4. Early cragen was also hot!

Wow...I really like Cragen..

level-headed, look our for the officers under his command... it is about right. Dennis Farina, Joe Fontana of the OG series, might pass as well, especially considering that he was a police detective in Chicago between 1967-85

Lol ! I 👍 agree. Really it was less than five minutes.

3:34 minutes

@@albertareid8850 made us all excited for nothing. I'm telling you the previews are better than the damn actual scene. Lol You know it is true. Lol

I know Stabler went to see to ask him about the 🏅 but now that I've seen Captain Cragen again, I can't help it; I want more.. please.🙏

That episode just came on today. The one with Mary Stuart Masterson as the shrink talking to Elliot.

I don't remember anything about his parents??

I thought the fact that Cragen kept reiterating to Stabler 'in his day' about his father's behavior was a very important fact so that Stabler could understand his father on a deeper level. I do love the fact that Cragen is back, even if it is just for a short while. He stabilizes Benson & Stabler, and makes issues easier to deal with.

@@lisarice4402 I do too. I wished the reunion was a little longer between them. Cragen wasn't just Elliot's captain. Joe may have been Elliot's father, but Cragen was the dad.

Yeah You can kind of see where Elliot gets his hostility and tocxity from along with his anger issues whenever he handles suspects and perps and even victims in the past. This kind of makes me understand Elliot’s actions more now than before because of his dad.

@@alexandraanderson3988 True that. Now that I think about it SVU was a good fit for him because there was no worse scum to take your anger out on than a pedophile. One thing I can say about Elliot is that he never stopped growing as a person.

Just goes to show, nothing is that simple. It’s not all black & white

Capt. Cragen is one of the Original “Law and Order” characters. This was before SVU.

Still stayed at that same old house from season 1 of the mothership

He already reunited with her for the 500 hundred episode of svu just on camera but I wish it was in person too like stabler so he can tell how proud he is of her that she’s made it😁

I just started season 6 and don't recall ever seeing Cragen's house or personal life yet... Guess that's still coming?

@@stephanieashton8835 It was the season 1 finale of the original Law & Order entitled "The Blue Wall". In that episode, Sgt. Greevey of the 2-7 (Cragen's old partner) visited his house to talk about a case which involved him. I highly recommend watching it. It's one of the reasons why Cragen doesn't like IAB all that much

@@ItsGooseIsland Thanks-I've been making my way through them from the beginning, so I must have just forgotten that one. I might go back and rewatch it now. :)

Like a wedding?

* awkward staring * C - “You guys should have been together as a couple. I’m just going to say it.” E- “Yeah.” O- “Yeah.”

When they marry. Only way that is happening.

Yeah I would also like him to see how far she’s come that would be a joy to see from one captain to another😁

I was thinking the same thing!!! I thought he would’ve gave his condolences first.

@@StarChyld4 Unless it was omitted to save time. Yes, I know that sounds a bit stupid.

Or maybe it was already given (of course not on screen) cause do you really think once news broke about her death that Cragen wouldn't have reached out to him??

I was waiting for that myself

@@courtneyp3405 Yeah didn’t have enough time maybe if only they focused more on him and stabler throughout most of the episode then worrying about the other cases but oh well

Ain't happening.

@Adam Zaafran Because now the Chicago shows only do crossovers with each other. The Law and Order shows will also stick with each other. It is just easier for production, since Chicago shows film in Chicago and L & O shows film in NYC. Back when SVU did a crossover with a Chicago show, there weren't three Chicago shows, and there were no other L & O shows.

@@carrietremble: Dang, I didn't really think of it that way. That's a really great point! However, me personally, I feel like L&O: Organized Crime is SO radically different from the original and S.V.U. that it makes more sense for them to crossover with Chicago P.D.. I see many similarities between the two. That's just how I feel. But considering that the original L&O is back, I guess it does make sense for the Wolf producers to keep the L&Os, Chicagos, and F.B.I.'s away from one another.

@Adam Zaafran Did Carrie set u straight...

@@carrietremble When they crossed with Chicago there were four Chicago shows. But I would LOVE to see OC and PD crossover, Stabler and Voight???my god I would die

We may see this in future episodes.

@@irishpogi I hope so. 5 episodes in and honestly I don't care about any of the new characters. Like they could all die next episode and I will be like "oh no, anyway."

@@SourRobo8364 we are familiar with McCoy and Bernard and their personal lives. Wouldn't it be a hoot if McCoy's daughter becomes a defense attorney?

The original Law & Order was never about the personal lives about the characters in terms of development and emotional stakes; it's always been about the cases at hand. They may sprinkle it in from time to time if the plot calls for it, but they're not gonna do it on a level like SVU or Organized Crime, otherwise you can watch those shows instead

Oh he was definitely referring to Liv, but she was on a list of multiple things he regrets, I expect.

Its was probably a lot of things, but what he did to Liv was definitely apart of what he was referring to

I think he was talking about more betraying the cops he's going to have to put behind bars. He's feeling bad cause some if these guys r trying to help their family better. Instead of just asking for a raise or loan from the boss. Or start a gofund me page. Money cane make u reckless. Money is a terrible master but excellent servant

How many years was Stabler on the force? How many things did he do that he regrets. This is not about a single person.

@@NoHomerS yep

He'd never pin a crime on an innocent man. Get real, lol. 😂

@@youforget1000thingsaday He did just about everything else. 😑😜

Very well said.

Yeah I would want him to mention how proud he is of her since she’s come so far in person that would be a divine experience to see😊

And imagine john munch, Jeffries, and Cassidy came back too

@@EpicAndrew97 Jefferies😍😊😁 I feel like she never got the credit and attention she deserved on the show and seems to be a forgotten character which is sad because as I watch these rereun it sems like she had so much potential and they ust gave up on her like that she's not even mentioned like thats why I think she deserves a comeback!

For one episode but yeah I guess it was nice to see him again

Not much different than the group of old army ncos like my dad and his friends back in the day when they talk about one of the people they served with I remember when I was a kid I used to sit around and listen to their stories and there was a point where they would be talking and all of a sudden they I'd see one of them give my dad a look.

uh No his dad was a crumb, who staged a shooting to get a medal.

Honestly, I'd rather Olivia had left the show and Stabler remained as the core. Oh, they did a fine job of having him melt down and the story worked well, but Christopher Meloni is so much a better actor than Mariska Hargitay. But no, the show was more about her than him and so it made sense.

Which is why they were on the take.

Only because he reached the age of mandatory retirement.

The actress that played Kathy is retired from acting so she wasn't going to be a part of the new show. I think the show was always going to start with some kind of tragedy. It's a serialized l&o so it's definitely a different kind of l&o. Elliot doesn't actually have a relationship with Angela. They just bonded in their grief and developed feelings for each other. Elliot has PTSD because he saw Kathy get bombed and he's really screwed up emotionally over it. He gravitated to her because it was a lot easier for him to talk to her instead of Olivia. As their relationship is massively complicated, he's in love with her and screwed things up between them by leaving. The mayor guy listened to Richard because he blames Elliot for what happened to his wife. He's grief stricken and Richard is a charming snake that's really good at talking people into things. I'll admit that the hacking is a cheat... That's tv logic for you.

I think a lot of people from Law & Order would wonder why there's a doctor on Chicago Med who looks just like their former Lieutenant.

And FBI series

@@toddsmitts - Not if there’s a rational explanation for it or if they don’t meet her.

You called it with a crossover event happening

That's something we all need to see

@@ItsGooseIsland Someone else I'd love to see again is Det. Greene.

He’ll always be their captain

If you look at Cragen's background in history as a cop he wasn't always a saint either.

Well Elliott always needed a REAL father figure. Cragen was it.

As did Olivia

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The episode Florida in 2007 when they thought Simon Marsden went down to Florida.. he was really in upstate New York .. elliott says Florida cuz there is/was a police camp his dad took him to as a kid.