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Craig Button on the Nylander contract, Elias Pettersson and more 

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TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joined the guys and reacted to the William Nylander deal in Toronto, what it means for Elias Pettersson and more.

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6 сен 2024

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@virtualrealitychannel2276
@virtualrealitychannel2276 8 месяцев назад
Considering prime years and age Miller banked on long term security. It's a completely different equation. The cap system makes comparables so hard.
@stephenphillips6245
@stephenphillips6245 8 месяцев назад
Security cuts both ways ..knock on wood TJ could get injured and have his career ended at anytime. That 7 yr contract is money in the bank. Yeah he could have waited and got more, but that is risky too. I bet Pittsburgh is kicking themselves that they didn't trade for Miller last season.
@rubberduckie5518
@rubberduckie5518 8 месяцев назад
@@stephenphillips6245The Canucks weren’t intrested in dealing Miller. Those were just rumors by Canucks fanbase that wanted him gone.
@BrodyCanuck
@BrodyCanuck 8 месяцев назад
Crazy to hear someone say Miller is underpaid a year after people were saying his contract was unmovable because hes overpaid. I was saying that he was worth his contract back then when everyone was freaking out
@stizz19
@stizz19 8 месяцев назад
The money is fine, and most people were fine with it. Its the length of the contract that is the problem.
@matt_hhh
@matt_hhh 8 месяцев назад
it’s the term
@rolieg81
@rolieg81 8 месяцев назад
They'll whine, remember the cry babies when we had to move a 1st. For J.T.
@wainber1
@wainber1 8 месяцев назад
@@matt_hhh JT Miller, who was born in March 1993, will be 31 even before the 2024 NHL postseason has started. Sens' centre Tim Stützle, born in January 2002, will be celebrating his 22nd birthday next week. The Miller and Stützle contracts respectively expire in June 2030 and June 2031. Even by June 2031, Stützle won't have reached his 30th birthday while Miller is already a 30-something. How well either contract ages remains TBD.
@wainber1
@wainber1 8 месяцев назад
@@stizz19 A US$8 million per-season cap hit looks like a steal for a Miller who, unlike a Tim Stützle (Sens' centre) whose PSCH is US$350,000 more and who's yet to play in an NHL playoff game. Sens' captain Brady Tkachuk's PSCH is almost US$206,000 more than Miller's but that Tkachuk bro (unlike his brother Matt) has yet to play in an NHL playoff game. Miller, with the Canucks' having played so well, likely will see playoff action this season barring something unexpected, such as a freak injury, that happens. Should he see playoff action, it'll be the 1st such action since the Canucks' 2020 run to a conference semifinal. Stützle and B. Tkachuk have yet to see playoff action while their current team has lost 7 (all in regulation) of its last 10 games and hasn't seen a win streak of >2 games since November. Stützle has put up 6 points (1 goal) over his past 10 games but only 1 (an assist against the Canucks) in his last 5. B. Tkachuk has 3 points (all assists) in his last 5 and 8 (2 goals) in his last 10. That said, he last scored in a Sens' late-December win over the Leafs, but that was 6 games ago. I see changes to the Sens' roster not just necessary but likely inevitable, with Southeastern Ontario a rather small market by NHL standards and no playoff appearance for what looks very likely to be a 6th straight season.
@glennelliott708
@glennelliott708 8 месяцев назад
To free up $, someone has to go. Canucks better hope Lekkermaki makes the team next year as a low cost option.
@Nickh4929
@Nickh4929 8 месяцев назад
he was a star in the world juniors so that is a good sign.
@wainber1
@wainber1 8 месяцев назад
@@Nickh4929 The Jets last offseason traded to the Kings then-restricted free agent PL Dubois in exchange for Rasmus Kupari, Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo and a 2nd-round 2024 NHL Draft pick, with the 3 then-ex-Kings at the time also having been RFAs with, like PLD, the ability to exercise arbitration rights. All 4 then-RFAs signed multi-season contracts with their new teams. Maybe that trade will be a precedent for a trade of Pettersson the centre should he want a higher per-season cap hit than the Canucks are prepared to offer him.
@rubberduckie5518
@rubberduckie5518 8 месяцев назад
@@wainber1 I mean if the Canucks can get a legit top 6 forward with a couple prospects and a 1st…that could work for Pettersson. Then the Canucks can sign someone like Elias Lindholm for cheaper too.
@wainber1
@wainber1 8 месяцев назад
@@rubberduckie5518 Not signing Petey the centre will open up so many doors for the Canucks should the per-season cap hit he hopes the Canucks will give him means, because it is well above his existing one, he must play for another NHL team if he wants to continue his career in that league.
@mrquirky3626
@mrquirky3626 8 месяцев назад
Salary cap is supposed to only go up $4 million for next season and $2.2 million of that is already going to be eaten up by the increase in OEL's dead cap. Petey deserves the raise but with Hronek, Zaborov, Cole, Blueger, and Joshua also needing resigning, I can't help but wonder which player or players we lose to keep him. Does Myers walk completely, freeing up $6 million, or do they retain him for less?
@lannon4prez
@lannon4prez 8 месяцев назад
Zadorov and cole are not being re signed. Myers 6 million is coming off the books as well.
@stephenphillips6245
@stephenphillips6245 8 месяцев назад
​@@lannon4prezIf that is true then their defense will be, effectively, gutted.
@grangerjung4129
@grangerjung4129 8 месяцев назад
@@lannon4prez Cole might get resigned for a year or two, in time for Willander (and D Petey?) to arrive.
@djardine2520
@djardine2520 8 месяцев назад
@@stephenphillips6245none of those three is a legit top four D, so not gutted.
@rubberduckie5518
@rubberduckie5518 8 месяцев назад
I don’t believe Zadorov resigns unless he takes under 4M. Joshua gonna get paid BIG so he’s off the table for resigning. Teddy MIGHT resign for around 2.5M per. We have to focus on Hronek, Petey and maintaining the strong blueline next season imo
@wbj2000
@wbj2000 8 месяцев назад
If you look at the top 5 teams in the NHL standings today .. and look how many $10M+ players they have. Depth is more important than a $35M first line.
@stephendoran6877
@stephendoran6877 8 месяцев назад
❤❤❤❤willy the wonderful ❤❤❤❤
@ronleeross
@ronleeross 8 месяцев назад
Petey only worth $9.5M tops. Maybe $10M. JT AAV $8m. Can't overpay players.
@DSL-ih6ib
@DSL-ih6ib 8 месяцев назад
Yep he is a RFA not a UFA
@bindardondat5292
@bindardondat5292 8 месяцев назад
$11 million a year for a one dimensional player that will never play more than 86 games a year. Dubas wasn't the problem, Toronto's front office is.
@supercooled
@supercooled 8 месяцев назад
IF you're signing players for playoff success, you should be writing in performance clauses. The Leafs are perennial losers.
@nucks4life11
@nucks4life11 8 месяцев назад
Petey plays a premium position. He'll demand more and probably get more.
@christhornycroft3686
@christhornycroft3686 8 месяцев назад
The problem is that Pettersson is a better all around player than Nylander. That's going to complicate things.
@hockeyplayerU15
@hockeyplayerU15 8 месяцев назад
I dont agree. Nylander is more consistent than Pettersson and has more points. Pettersson is 10M.
@hemanownsyou
@hemanownsyou 8 месяцев назад
@@hockeyplayerU15 Uh, no, he fucking isn't. Nylander isn't even a point per game player, whereas Pettersson is. Pettersson is better. FACT!
@wainber1
@wainber1 8 месяцев назад
@@hockeyplayerU15 Nylander has performed in postseason play more consistently than any of Matthews, Marner and Tavares have. Petey has seen playoff action but in only 1 season. In that season, however, he averaged slightly over a point per game. Nylander has in postseason play averaged 0.8 points/game including >0.9 from the 2021 postseason onward. While it didn't surprise me Nylander was going to likely earn a per-season cap hit, on his next contract, of ≥US$7 million, it was surprising that Sens' centre Tim Stützle, effective for this season, signed a contract with a PSCH of not just US$2 to US$3 million or so but OVER US$8 million. I dunno why Stützle would've done so despite NOT having seen playoff action since his days having played for a farm team of Adler Mannheim, a top-tier German hockey team, in a 2020 playoff tourney. I may have more to say on the Stützle contract in another post.
@BrownKnee666
@BrownKnee666 8 месяцев назад
I would give the edge offensively production wise to Nylander. Petterson is a C and more of a twf with great hockey senses. If Nylander is getting 11.5 petterson should be getting 11. But if petterson is smart he would take a cut so he can win the cup.I have a big problem with superstar players getting paid like this when they haven't won. Mackinnion cashed in because he won the cup.
@hemanownsyou
@hemanownsyou 8 месяцев назад
@@BrownKnee666 Except Pettersson is better offensively than Nylander, considering Pettersson is over a PPG in his career while Nylander is not. That means Nylander is not more consistent.
@giii7599
@giii7599 8 месяцев назад
Jim Rutherford will not give Pettersson the same deal.
@smarty432
@smarty432 8 месяцев назад
Law of Averages. Nylander made only and only $6.9mil a year, a bargain contract for the for points he put up per year for past few years. So, Nylander just averaged out the money he basically discounted the Leafs before. Petterson has been making $7.78 mil for the past few years. He is worth that money but sometimes inconsistent due to injuries hidden or whatever. Law of averages says Petterson should not make more than Nylander now. May be the same because he was making tons of money already. Nathan McKinnon was the same. He was underpaid for a couple of years for the team to sign free agents and spread the wealth. Now, he is one of the highest paid if not the highest. The law of average should average out. Petterson was not underpaid. So, his agent should not rub their hands in glee and greed because the player treat Petterson well in the last contract and should stay the course, not over-inflating everything like your grocery bills at Loblaws stores............
@gh4121-b5n
@gh4121-b5n 8 месяцев назад
The “First” year of Nylander’s First contract he made $10 mill and scored “7 goals”. Worth it?
@giii7599
@giii7599 8 месяцев назад
Bottom line the Leafs have to beat Florida , Boston to make it out of the Atlantic. Signing Nylander for all this cap space does not help a team that's already too top heavy in cap spending and lacking good defense and goaltending.
@PraxisPeabody
@PraxisPeabody 8 месяцев назад
I get it. But who can they get?. Which all star goalie is up for grabs?
@GentleGiraffe
@GentleGiraffe 8 месяцев назад
leafs are driving the market up signing mathews and nylander to such big contracts...mcdavid should set the tone and everyone under that umbrella
@roblockhart8410
@roblockhart8410 8 месяцев назад
Vegas is the complete opposite lol. They have a well rounded team lol. They are star heavy. Star heavy has been holding the leafs back.
@recoutlaw
@recoutlaw 8 месяцев назад
This deal is comparable to the Deshaun Watson deal, and what it will do to the center market across the league. It will screw things up
@gh4121-b5n
@gh4121-b5n 8 месяцев назад
Without the sex assault charges.
@metuberob
@metuberob 8 месяцев назад
ok ... tsn is not a sports team, its broadcasting ... so why do they even need a scouting director?! ...
@warriorcleon5852
@warriorcleon5852 8 месяцев назад
Brad Treliving has done a shitty job in Toronto. Same dam team Dubas left them.
@gh4121-b5n
@gh4121-b5n 8 месяцев назад
At least Tree didn’t sign Karlsson😂🤣
@PraxisPeabody
@PraxisPeabody 8 месяцев назад
I love the guys screaming trade for "x" like there is a ton of high level players just looking to play for cheap.
@JohnPenman69
@JohnPenman69 8 месяцев назад
If I’m the Canucks manager I sit the Petterson camp down and be truthful. The leafs group is full of morons and in no way does that contract reflect anything worth considering when comparing contracts. It’s a joke contract and we can’t use it as a comparison.
@rubberduckie5518
@rubberduckie5518 8 месяцев назад
The Canucks may have to deal Petey similar deal to Dubois. Get a top 6 forward back, couple prospects and a pick. Clears up cap space too. Signing Petey for 12M shouldn’t be on the table.
@bl4596
@bl4596 8 месяцев назад
William Nylander's season PIM high of 32 minutes proves he is a Power Forward with more toughness and grit than Nancy Pettersson's season high PIMs of only 18 minutes. That's easily $3.5 million more value Willy offers than Elias per season.
@brenz36
@brenz36 8 месяцев назад
lol
@lannon4prez
@lannon4prez 8 месяцев назад
Is this a joke?
@bl4596
@bl4596 8 месяцев назад
@@lannon4prez The stats don't lie. We are comparing two of the toughest Swedes in the NHL.
@glennhankins6927
@glennhankins6927 8 месяцев назад
How dare you call Pettersson "Nancy"....... His name is "Bambi"
@lannon4prez
@lannon4prez 8 месяцев назад
@@glennhankins6927 well bambi already has 2 points and a hit in the first period. I don’t think he gives a shit what morons call him.
@generalimlerith8356
@generalimlerith8356 8 месяцев назад
Pettersson be like 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
@mathias2410
@mathias2410 8 месяцев назад
With this deal Marner is a goner.
@gh4121-b5n
@gh4121-b5n 8 месяцев назад
And so is Mathews 40-50 goal seasons going forward. Who made it possible for Mathews Rocket Trophy and Tavares’s career high 47 goals? Sures hell wasn’t Nylander.
@mathias2410
@mathias2410 7 месяцев назад
@@gh4121-b5n You have a good point. Guess next playoffs will be very decisive for the Toronto roster for next season.
@brettmckenzie6569
@brettmckenzie6569 8 месяцев назад
12.5x8
@rubberduckie5518
@rubberduckie5518 8 месяцев назад
as if
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