The book also gives more details about how Nick used to make jokes about how women are disposable when they get older and Amy would laugh because she wanted to please him, as well as watch what he likes, eat what he likes and stay thin etc.. She created a person that doesn't exist just to please him and yet she was exchanged for a younger girl. But Amy would never accept being disposable lol (Nick's father also has a big role, since he was VERY misogynist, and in the book Nick talks about how he spent his whole life trying to be different from that mentality, but even so, the presence of his father greatly influenced his way of thinking/acting)
@@denissemartinez9071 I recommend the book! It’s so much more mythological & sinister, plus you understand why Nick stayed at the end much more than the movie. There were scenes in the book that cemented their mutual attraction for each other.
Yeah the book kind of explains better how & why Nick feels so trapped at the end - not to mention, I think he respects Amy's intelligence much more & how dangerous she is, & also wants to be/do better than his father... She beat herself up to make it look like she was an abused wife to anyone she saw, to disguise who she was, & to have an excuse for wearing sunglasses to further disguise who she was - since she's kind of famous. It is his kid. She got pregnant through the sample from the fertility clinic. What the book & the movie is best at illustrating, is how easy it could be to fool cops & the justice system, or take advantage of it/them, & how easy it could be to frame someone.
2 reasons why she hit herself with a hammer. 1)Because it helps to disguise her face as its more swollen and puffy. and 2)because once police find her body it would be used as evidence as Nick being abusive.
i love the ending of the film but the book ending is flawless to me. the book ends with her almost ready to give birth, and she's narrating how wonderful he's been throughout her pregnancy - treating her like a queen: "This morning he was stroking my hair and asking what else he could do for me, and I said: 'My gosh, Nick, why are you so wonderful to me?' He was supposed to say: You deserve it. I love you. But he said, 'Because I feel sorry for you.' 'Why?' 'Because every morning you have to wake up and be you.' I really, truly wish he hadn't said that. I keep thinking about it. I can't stop. I don't have anything else to add. I just wanted to make sure I had the last word. I think I've earned that." Gillian Flynn is freaking brilliant.
@@MarieTheOstrich not really, of course Amy is but it seems that she manipulated him I mean obviously she did she's a psychopath and made him think that he's happy but he truly isn't, if he still ends up with her at the end of the book that's the worst ending and I'm not gonna read it cause it'll make me even more furious and sad for him
It is his kid! Also I think the one flaw of the movie that Gillian Flynn couldn’t translate from the book to screen is the pull Nick feels to Amy. They’re twisted in the same way and attracted to the same game, it’s why they play throughout the movie! Gillian Flynn adapted the book herself and wrote the script and it’s just one of my favorite book to movies.
Reading the book was even better. I spent the first part of the book hating him, the second part of the book hating her and the ending hating then both. Very unsatisfying ending but so brilliantly unexpected and well written. The movie did a good job portraying the book.
One of my favorite contexts for how she felt about her marriage was in her monologue about how she had to be “the cool girl” for Nick for so long. Not all, but MOST women have had to play the “cool girl” trope to fit a lot of men’s impossible standards of the perfect woman(like have perfectly groomed model bodies/stay a size 2 while also loving pizza/beer and sports or raunchy comedy movies or never being disagreeable). While some women to can be like that, it’s rare to find and women are pressured to always be compliant to everything a guy wants just so that he keeps interest or to seem more attractive. She also talks about how he also put on a front for her in the beginning of their relationship of a career-driven, tender man, and when he started to get lazy or uninterested in the relationship she would start to resent him. It’s all about how people eventually show their true colors and the lengths some people will go through to keep a marriage going.
@@sarahsarahsarah9093 there's this tendency among male reactors where they always skip the cool girl monologue... guess someone is feeling called out....
@@malena6539 SebScreen didn‘t! His reaction to Gone Girl was really pleasant because he wasn’t just on Nicks side going „damn this chick crazy“. He also appreciated Amy‘s Monologe.
I love how you mentioned impossible standards, while mentioning things that women can change. Flip the script and women expect men to be stoic, sensitive, strong, tall, packing, successful and charasmatic. Why do you act like it's more standards put on women when that is blatantly wrong and this double standard is a big reason for the neglect of male mental issues and domestic issues are never taken serious when it's men. I even got threatened by my ex that she would call the police on me when I said I wanted to leave her cause she was abusive. Women constantly talk about male standards when it comes to weight and both women and men should be expected to stay healthy for themselves and their families. Women talk down on traits that men can not control like the size of genitals and height, but on the same breath hate it when some men do not want to date a woman that does not take care of herself. One is genetics other is laziness and the difference is that misandry is encouraged in society, while the opposite is not. But hey I guess who cares about the other half. Not like we face problems ourselves and are expected to cater to others while being bashed and abused.
I'm pretty sure it is his kid. Remember he went to the fertility clinic and than said to his sister that Amy "didn't do her part"? How would he know? He had no idea what Amy was doing in the two years they were living there and she had been planning this for many months. How would he know what she was up to? I absolutely love the book and this movie is a great adaptation. The best part is that not a single character is likable in the book but you are still invested and want to know how it's playing out
I love how there is no real 'good guy' in this movie. We are made to believe that she made his abuse up but him pushing her against the wall is a clue to him actually being aggressive. They are both bad in their own way. They both deserve each other
I didn't take that as a sign of someone abusive. That was the most normal and human reaction in this whole film, it's the bare minimum reaction anyone would have in this scenario. I mean after what she just tried to do, and is continuing to do to him.
Yeah, it's made very clear in the book that he had a temper and took more after his Dad than he liked to think he did. It makes a lot more of how little he actually liked women and his tendency to look for women to look after him not love.
I remember reading this book as a teenager and when I got to the reveal that Amy is still alive, I jumped out of bed and ran out of my room just looking for someone to talk to about WTF I was experiencing reading this book 😂 amazing movie too
I read the book when it first came out. I literally threw the book across the room when he decided to stay with her. The author is really good at these double twists where you get one big reveal about halfway through, then a last minute reveal that kind of shakes you to your core
I LOVE when an author isn’t afraid to go bold with their characters and plots. Give me a book/movie where all the characters are terrible and the ending makes me rage any day!!
Nick isn't a killer but he is toxic, look at his behaviour before he realises what Amy has done, he doesn't act worried or concerned or even that bothered that she might be dead and when Amy says the bit about him only liking himself when he was trying to impress her, it seemed like he knew that it was partially true. 🤷🤔 I always got the sense that some screwed up part of nick, sort of , wanted to stay with her, in a f'd up way.
He would have been OK with her being kidnapped, it solved so many of his problems. It was being accused of the kidnapping that was the problem for him.
The way they all looked at each other after he slammed her against the wall at the end. Lmao then Bryce's "are you turned on rn?" I'm dead. One of my fave reactions. Haha
Enjoyed this reaction. I agree that Nick wanted to stay and I think it’s important to recognize that about Nick’s character. Bc if we’re talking “manipulation”, Nick manipulates the women around him and tells them only what they want to hear to get his needs met. That’s pretty “crazy” behavior too.
isn't that everybody tho? I mean people will tell other people the things they want to hear to get what they want, weather that's money or sex doesn't matter, at the end of the day its consensual, people have brains to think for themselves. what's baffling is that you're defending an actual murderer and psychopath before a person that got wrongfully accused for murder and abuse, what's going inside your head???
@@avish878 I do believe that misandry is the trauma response for the horrible shit men do. Mysoginy on the other hand is hating women for no reason whatsoever.
The scene with his dad at the police station, 1) demonstrated that Nick was influenced by a father figure who was temperamental and an asshole, therefore giving context to how some of that probably rubbed off on Nick, and 2) added to what the plot was doing at the time, which was make you (and the detectives) wonder whether Nick could be guilty. He was so apathetic in regards to police efforts in finding his missing wife, yet quite passionately yelling at the cops for not letting him know they had his dad in custody. So it’s not just a personality thing that he was acting so passive, it looked more like he genuinely was not that concerned that his wife was missing.
I think 'kill Des and go back to Nick' was actually plan C, after plan B backfired because it delivered her to an even bigger psycho than her and put her in the most danger at that point.
@@JazMegan But I bet you won’t bat an eye at people saying the Joker or Darth Vader are icons ? Of course not. It’s only bad when female villains are liked. Sexist hypocrisy.
@@frfras7 But I bet you won’t bat an eye at people saying the Joker or Darth Vader are icons ? Of course not. It’s only bad when female villains are liked. Sexist hypocrisy.
I love watching you all react to these kinds of movies because it's fun to relive the sheer confusion and trying to piece everything together like I was while watching it at first. If she's pregnant it's bc she had sex with her stalker and she's passing it off as Nick's (this is incorrect many of you clarified it for me and I appreciate those who did so without being all knowing assholes) Amy is BONKERS. The way everyone acted their asses off in this movie! Too good!!
I'm so late but I just wanna point out we don't actually know if all the abuse she wrote about before disappearing was fake. He is very much capable and we saw it at the end.
Every person is capable. Look at ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the abuse Amy perpetrated against tons of people. It's a HUMAN problem, so the only way to not be capable of it is to lose your humanity. YOU can be hitler like anyone else.
We do know. She explicitly says it's made up during her monologue. And it's made clear in the book as well. Nick wasn't a good guy. He's a cheater & a misogynist, but he wasn't physically abusing Amy.
@@MarieLautner i meant more psychological/verbal abuse but still she says the things she MENTIONED were things he didn’t do, he could have done others? Again i did mean more psycho/verbal. However, have never read the book and i’m talking from the movie’s perspective only. If in the book is made more clear that he never truly abused her in any way i take your word from it. But i do think thats a good thing the movie leaves you with, you never REALLY know all the damage he actually did and what she created. It leaves you with 2 unreliable narrators and knowing how both of them aren’t good people, you don’t know how much of what they each say is a lie or to what extent there’s truth behind it. Makes for a good thriller, i would say if the book was more clear on how he didn’t abuse her that’s an L on the book.
the book (and the movie by extension) was inspired by the laci and scott peterson case which is super interesting, I absolutely love this movie and I think everybody acted their asses off
I mean I’m a woman and I can admit she’s insane lmao it’s not supposed to be an empowering film for women considering she’s psychopathic. it’s interesting in terms of how it analyzes human psychology but it’s not exactly a feminist message
Whats even more crazy to me is that in the end it does seems Nick WANT TO STAY with her. Seems like though he is scared and worried, but somehow he felt excited and stay curious about her next move - i think this is what he meant by wanting to crack her head open.
The first minute of this video was absolutely hilarious, the first name mix up was funny but the second one I could not stop laughing. Love your channel!
The author of this book, Gillian Flynn, is a woman who writes stories about fucked up women. Her 3 main novels have insanely flawed, fucked-up characters. I love them haha
his dad part in police station is a necessary part. They wanted to show the police about how hot-tempered Nick is. Making people to believe he's the bad guy.
I think the whole point is to make the audience question if things did or did not happen. We know that Amy lied about aspects in the diary, but there is also truth to other situations confirmed by both Amy and Nick. Did he actually push her? Maybe maybe not
So, this story, to me, is an extreme of the adage that marriage is built on a series of lies between two people. That you lie when the wife asks if she looks fat or of you fantasize about other women, and you lie when the husband asks if he still satisfies you in bed or if your number is really under 10. And sometimes it’s not a lie but total truth always would break something. Except these two people- her AND HIM- were both so messed up, and the lie of who they were was better than the reality…but they both knew they were shitty people (though granted, she is legit a psycho). He was also a bad guy though. A cheater, a bum, a mooch, prone to physical violence, etc. yeah…the book showed how they were even more F’d up, and also made it clearer that he WANTED to stay with Amy.
I loved the book and I did feel the movie did a decent job. People always like to believe someone is going to “complete” them. Thanks McGuire. When it reality, marriage can bring out the worst in you
"I'm crushed right now." That's why I love this movie. The twist is brilliant, but the fact that the end can be so devastating with only one death in the entire film is just spectacular. I fucking love this movie.
This movie is kind of a dark satirical take on marriages in general, how couples will stay together to keep up appearances, despite all the skeletons they may have, with this movie taking that to the extreme.
Loved your reactions to this movie!! I read the book when it was first published, in which the author explains about both their personalities. Very creepy and suspenseful movie.
The cameras at Desi's place were only on the outside, there weren't any inside the house. That's how she's getting away with it. And him escorting her in the first time could be explained by her complying out of fear for her life
This is the book that got me started on bookstagram. Great movie pick. In the book she also ate excessively to fatten herself up as part of her disguise
In regards to the "cool girl" monologue I feel like a lot of ppls are missing the point, regardless if it justifies or not her actions, the monologue serves as exposition of character motivation (bc you need that to propel any action taken by a character in a story), and outside of this very specific situation, it's also an exposition of the circumstances of many women irl and how frustrating that is. Nobody is saying that cheating and emotional mistreatment is justification for murder, but in the context of the film, it explains to the audience why the female protagonist embarked on this journey and her train of thought behind it
The best part to this reaction is the “Peter Dacre Taylor” statement. If anything says dad move, it is when they make up names to celebrities that don’t exist 😂 In all seriousness, this is one of my favorite films. Ben’s character almost purposely comes off as stale and careless in the beginning to only lead to proving he is pulling off a facade.
Not almost. He *WAS* cast for being, famously, unlikeable. It has been said that Ben Affleck has a kind of "Anticharisma", which is not the opposite of being charismatic, but like having a "dislikeable kind of almost charm". The novel describes Nick as looking pretty and smug in a 1980's comedy villain kind of way (they compare him to the annoying city official in Ghost Busters and to those guys who never get the girl on romantic comedy). When they announced the adaptation, *EVERYBODY* thought Ben Affleck was the living embodiment of that character. Lol
Sociopath meets Narcissist. 'Why did God create so many different personalities and ways of thinking and living? God Loves stories. If we were all the same, there would only be one story' - Paraphrasing Elie Wiesel
I've never hated a movie ending more in my entire life!!! I do not believe for one second that he couldn't have at least tried to go to the cops with all of his evidence. The lady detective was already suspicious of Amy's story. I watched the movie before reading the book, and the director, David Fincher is one of my favourite directors so I was just so unbelievably disappointed when the movie ended. The baby is Nick's, he says earlier in the movie that he gave the fertility clinic his sperm, and I'm pretty sure she says she went to the fertility clinic when she gives him the pregnancy test.
You guys need to watch all of David Fincher’s movies he’s my favorite modern director so many amazing movies! Fight Club, Zodiac, The Game, Benjamin Button, The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, Se7en and more!
Another potential part of why he stays with her is the case is national news and it would make him look awful to the public if he left her after being “kidnapped.” Even if he tried to convince the public she faked everything, they certainly would not believe it and there is not proof. Amy is also a somewhat beloved public figure where people feel connected to her because of the books her parents wrote based on her childhood
First time I watched it I hated the ending but I've come to love it because it just makes perfect sense. And I love a story where the bad guy wins. It's his kid. It's 100% his kid. She didn't destroy his semen at the fertility. She trapped him.
This book was superb and i have to admit the film was very good. Twisted and effed up. So good. And yes, its his kid. From the sample a year ago. They didn't dispose of it and she got inseminated.
Y’all’s reaction to this movie was so good. When i watched it I sat there speechless like wtf did i just see lol I remember literally sitting and staring literally speechless lol they’re both so fucked up. I haven’t read the book but damn what a story
It's Nick's kid.... in the book explained how Amy pregnant with Nick's kid without 1ntercourse...she's crazy but genius and Nick stays bc he loves Amy...he loves Amy bc she's crazy and he won't be happy with a normal girl
I think though he may not deserve to get imprisoned or get the death penalty for being framed for murder, he does deserve to get stuck with a psycopath after knowing what horrible things she can and will do because he did marry her and vowed to be together for better or for worse yet he cheated on her with one of his students. He treated marriage as this temporary agreement that he can enjoy while his wife is agreeable and when she's diasagreeable, he can look for a younger woman to play around with until he can file for divorce. I'm glad he's stuck with her. I think he'll be safe as long as he's loyal. He might live in constant fear or unhappiness but he cheated on a psycopath that he willingly married so suffer the consequence.
@@tanita6234 in the book it shows his mysogynistic way of view towards women, how disposable he thinks women are once they don't cater to him or "get old", he never intended to be with her forever so he married her knowing he would leave her one day, i say (regardless of her being a psycho) he did deserve to get trapped in the marriage, because he never took her seriously, he had it coming
@@tati_moons they both have that, Amy is such a pick me, she shits on other women to get attention, she uses r*ape and domestic violence to victimize herself which is pretty misogynistic, she became the woman HE wanted and obligated him to become the man SHE wanted, both weird but at end he didn't kill people or falsely accuse anyone of anything, you know?
26:58 that seemed like a normal reaction to me, if my wife that I loved was missing, and I didn't do it, and longed to be a father, to hear she's not only missing but so is my unborn child, breaking something in frustration is expected, it's how I think a normal person would react to being VICTIMIZED like that. That of course requires one to remain objective and not 'believe' he did it yet.
The baby i think they said was from when he was making deposits she just told him they destroyed it but they really didn’t? That’s why when he said I didn’t touch you she said she already had his stuff or he didn’t need to, crazy trick 😦 … definitely sounds like this was Amber Heard’s inspiration ( some of the story on the stand + the wine bottle )
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