@@lee84that’s not completely absurd because yes on paper it doesn’t make sense but in the liverpool front three prime years mané and salah don’t get the goals without what firmino did
As a Liverpool fan here’s my take, Fabinho was the best DM in the world the season we won the league, however, Rodi has been the best DM for 3-4 seasons now, it has to be Rodri
A player who should have had a bigger honorable mention was Wijnaldum. Not saying he gets into the combines team, but he was probably Liverpool’s most important midfielder. Technically sound as well as physically.
Would be a decent point if this team wasn’t as evenly split as it could possibly be. All of the Liverpool players in the team are all-timers in the league.
@@vishaladwani6689he was incredible for pep he just wanted in 2020 to go to sociedad for the end of his career. Got more goals and assists for Spain than xavi and iniesta
I think this is quite easy apart from rb. (Liverpool fan) Allison Van dijk,stones,Robertson B.silva,kdb, rodri Salah,aguero,mane TAA/walker is probably the biggest 50/50 you can get, I would take taa, but walker is definitely not a wrong answer
Well done Rory probably the first and last time I’ll say this but well done for showing firmino the appreciation he deserves one of my all time favourite players to play for us love the guy he doesn’t get in this but wow what a player he was
Fabinho has been one of our most underrated players from 2018-2022 and last season really hurt his general reputation but to be completely honest, he was never as good as Rodri is rn. Fabinho was arguably the world's best cdm in his prime but Rodri was arguably the best player in the world at his peak. He's simply on another level
GK: Allison Becker RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold CB: Virgil Van Dijk CB: Ruben Dias LB: Andrew Robertson CDM: Rodri CM: Kevin De Bruyne CM: Ilkay Gundogan RF: Mohammed Salah LF: Sadio Mane STR: Sergio Aguero
@matija9540 That's what all the evidence shows. Not sure how Mane gets away with it. He scored less than Sterling and missed more big chances between 17/18-21/22. Sterling also got more assists and created more chances, he was better in every way
@@Matthew-bu7fg David Silva was the midfield conductor of a team that won 198 combined points in 2 seasons. He played arguably his best ever football and had massive influence under Pep.
Because he is not a Left back. He's a a right footed midfielder who plays in midfield when in possession and is instructed to defend at left back which according to Pep's and Mancity's playstyle, is 7% of the time. He's not even a great defender. Got turn spun around by Salah like it was nothing.
Cancelo, and I don't think it's too harsh to say this, was lucky with Pep's tacticsl innovation. He was a poor defender (worse than Trent, but never got mentioned as much for it) who was very capable with the ball. Pep realised this and moved him into a position on the pitch that he could take advantage of his ability with the ball and minimise his deficiencies. The same reason Trent's best spell this season (December) he was playing as almost a right 8, arriving late in the box and scored a few big goals. Cancelo was a great tactical innovation, but not as much a noteworthy player.
LW:Mane ST:Aguero RW:Salah CM:Gundogan CM:KDB CDM:Rodri LB:Robertson CB:VVD CB:Stones RB:Walker Vs Trent GK:Allison. 10 Positions are clear: 5 for Klopp and 5 for Pep, it comes down to RB and it’s a toss up on preference imo, and I’m leaning towards Trent.
Second Team: LW: Sterling ST:Firmino RW:Mahrez CM:Bernado Silva CM:David Silva CDM:Fabinho LB:Ake CB:Dias CB:Kompany RB:Walker GK:Ederson…this shows city and Peps having a huge advantage in the depth compared to Klopp’s Liverpool. First 11 Klopp had 6 but in the second 11 Klopp only gets 2.
I remember watching a clip of jurgen klopp saying if he could have any player in the Liverpool team who would it be and he said David silva and that should say everything about how mad it is they even forgot to mention his name ahah
I'm a Liverpool fan but I actually agree with this. Few shouts, Coutinho, Milner, Kompany, Fabhino, Firminho, David Silva, Bernardo Silva could all easily be in that squad too.
GK: Alisson RB: Kyle Walker CB: Ruben Dias CB: Virgil van Dijk LB: Andy Robertson CDM: Rodri CM: Kevin de Bruyne CM: Bernardo Silva RW: Mo Salah LW: Sadio Mane ST: Sergio Aguero (I feel like he'd be better than Haaland in this team, as he can interchange with Salah and Mane as needed, unlike Haaland).
He pretty much scored a goal from outside of the box every other game at one point. So good on the ball and not to mention his passing game! There's a reason we were able to get 140 mill for him@@raulibarra4355
Liverpool fan here, my list is: Allison Trent VVD Stones Robertson Rodri KDB Bernardo Salah Aguero Mane Only one up for debate is RB, rest is common sense
As a city fan I can concur. Especially as LB is our weakest position or almost non existent. RB can be a toss up depending on play and coaching style. Other than that, that's a hard 11 to beat. Good creativity and also pace for the front 3 and either of them can rotate positions.
@@CBear2682 Aguero is a 'better footballer', but he literally failed at the same stage where Haaland succeded, failed to be the 'final piece' just two seasons before Haaland came in and did it 🤗 Haaland is not a baller but he's a goal freak...
Coutinho not being mentioned as well is a shame. Probably forgotten but he played his best football under Klopp and contributed enourmously to dragging us back to UCL football. Him, David Silva, and Bernardo Silva in a unique category where they could just do things no one else can.
Fair play lads. You’re all passionate about your clubs, but you also have the ability to put your club biases aside. Enjoy listening to you all speak about the fame
I would argue, Nunez on the left wing. If you take bias banter aside, I think Nunez offers more than Mane. Manes just done it already, but eye test, Nunez is better, and has room to grow
just based on performances in city vs liverpool classics, some must haves are Mane , Salah, Bernardo(not gundogan), Sane, Stones, Robertson, VVd. Other honourable mentions : Firnmino, Aguero, Jesus, Henderson, Fernandinho
He was. But Rodri is better than Fabinho ever was. Rodri will go down as an alltime great in his position. Fabinho just had a strong peak. Im a Liverpool fan but this is not even a debate.
@@imRehnzyFabinho never had stong peak better than rodri bruhh rodri peak is him being named best player in 3 European comps plus fininshing top 5 in ballon dor 😂 fabinho was can only dream
@@kaydeecesmith5540 I literally said rodri is better without any debate. Fabinho was the best pure dm for two years tho. But Rodri is him. Generational Pirlo
ali, robbo,vvd, dias, walker(for now), rodri(fab was great tho, leftoo early) debruyne gundo(pip b,silva n d silva for me), mane, salah haaland lfc midfield has been underrated thi, thiago(without injjuire he could have been the very best), hendo(for different reasons)gini( left tooe early could do everything and fab where geninuely class, different players and some left too early, lfc have better first 11, city better squad, overall lfc get fullbacks gk vvd and mane salah.
@@anuragshukla7912 Well like 60% of his City career wasn't under Guardiola. They also didn't pick Kompany for the same reason. On top of that, De Bruyne is better. Unfortunately that's the position he's competing for...
Coutinho should be on the debate. He has played only few years under Klopp, but he was one man army. If he would have stayed, he would have been a legend by now. I am not saying he must be in the team, but he was something special.
Left back - Robertson probably still takes it but how does a City fan not mention Cancelo? For a period he was easily on the conversation for best LB in the world. Otherwise, legit.
As City fan i will take YAYA TOURE over anybody esle imma big fan of him 😘 that man was unreal despite spending few years with MC he was blessing to watch him . Great well rounded player Freekicks long shots he have everything u from Midfielder while he was playing most his time as CDM . I think will put this way : ============ Alisson========== Walker Vijk Dais Robort === Yaya Toure === ==D.Silva KDB== =Egyptian king= =AGUEROO= =Mane
Adam gets away with too many bad takes without a Liverpool fan there to even it out with facts. Trent is a generational talent. When walker was his age his was trophiless
I support Liverpool but Trent is a terrible defender. Bradley deserves to keep him out of the team. As an all round talent he might edge out Walker but if we're just talking right back Walker is way better.
As a liverpool fan I can kindly disagree with the term buvey has used saying under klopp the midfield was the least important. Probably was our most important tbh. The engine room. How we play is based off of the midfield with the pressing and all that. But I can see how other fan bases think its the front three or back four. Tbh all very important to how we set up and play.
I'd like to dispute this with my (probably bias-influenced) XI, playing in a 4231. Assuming this is a prime/peak team of each player: Alisson; Trent, Dias, Virgil, Robertson; Fabinho, Rodri; Salah, De Bruyne, Mane; Haaland. Alisson goes without saying, best keeper ITW. Trent - potentially more suspect defensively than Walker, but his crossing in the 18/19 season with Haaland to aim at would double his record-breaking assist tally for a defender. Dias - at his best a wall. Wouldn't need to be so clean with the ball with everyone around him. Van Dijk best in the world, end of conversation. Robbo - like Trent, at his best up & down, link up play with Mane was a joke and crossing also would just find Haaland. Fabinho & Rodri as a double pivot. The reason Trent can go in with any "He can't defend allegations" because you put these two alongside each other and who's getting past them on the counter. Both aerial presences. At his best Fabinho was the best BWM in the world, covering for 4 men and allowing us to press so high (his drop off is why our press broke down last year). Rodri comes in and becomes takes Fabinho's mantle as best DM in the world, does all the defending and adds a metronomic control of the tempo with his passing. If you can get past them, good luck with the two CBs or Ali. Salah, best RW ITW. His best season, 17/18 he gets 57 goal contributions and should have won the ballon d'or. Imagine adding De Bruyne's creativity to that. As said. Give KDB the old fashion 10 role. You're free to roam, go where you like and do what you want. Would be a cheat code. Mane. His dribbling at his best was mesmerising, his pace electric and his strength probably only bettered by Adama Troare amongst wingers. Goals, assists, movement, cool haircut before the hairline recedes. Less said about his wife, the better in this theoretical conversation. Best LW ITW at his peak, 2nd to Benzema for Ballon D'Or. Haaland. Mentioned earlier, but Imagine giving the ultimate poacher service from Trent, Robbo, Rodri, Salah, Mane and a free-role KDB. I'm not joking when I say he could get 2 goals per game over a league season with that service. Underrated consideration for this XI is their overall physical presence. Imagine having Trent & Robbo inswinging a corner onto Virgil, Dias, Haaland, Fabinho, Rodri and Mane marking the keeper with KDB and Salah waiting for a headed clearance to score a volley. Unbelievable.
@faridirwan7610 take it you're talking about Salah. In the 18-24 month period at the end of his time for Roma and his first season or two in the PL he was only bettered by Messi for G+A. Just because the Ballon D'Or is voted by journalists and it doesn't truly reflect who has been the best player doesn't mean he shouldn't have received recognition for just how good he was at that point.
@frankierc2920 clearly forgotten, or just never watched, Fabinho's peak. He was for a year or two the best DM in world football. Which, as I said is why you could pair him at his peak with Rodri and create a pivot that would allow Trent to just go float and play footy rather than defend.
Laporte is massively underrated, he was part of City’s team when City & Liverpool were going at it at their peak. You know a player is good when you just hate them bc they’re so good, we had Virgil but they had Laporte. Injuries might have killed him, but for me at their best he was better than Kmpany or Dias.
not even close to being better than kompany or dias what the fuck hahaha. he was a starter for literally only 1 season in the last 4 years. stones and dias have been the starters most seasons
I hear you man , genuinely between him and stones for the other centre half next to van dijk I edged it to stones because he's genuinely reaching all timer levels with these performances since 2022
Bobby firmino heeds to be in the front If you have goal scoring wingers not just for his ability to link up but the guy could score goals when he wanted to he just used to give the wingers ball because they would have a better chance and that would be the best for the team
As an LFC fan, the only players I think would get into this eleven is Alisson, VVD, Robbo, Salah, and Mane with the rest of the players being from City which is just a testament to how brilliant City have been under Pep. My bias obviously resides with Liverpool but Can't deny how good some city players have been
@@ShanoStyle17 cancelo was the best LB for one season(2020/21), Robertson has been the best LB every season besides that one season …. Same reason agüero makes it above haaland for me , Halaand had one great season versus Kun who did it consistently for multiple seasons under pep
@@matija9540 Trent and Mo are my favourite players in the LFC squad but like they said in the video, there’s no wrong answer whether you want Trent or walker at RB but the players I mentioned in the first comment are ones that I think are nailed on to make most combined 11s between these two great teams
I think TAA makes it into the combined 11 along with the others you mentioned. That’s just over half the team. Plus if you put in a different system or coach for the team it could be a different story
People forget how good he was and that 150 wasn’t a spur of the moment buy for barca they wanted the year before too so coutinho was so good barca came in for him we said no not this year he had another amazing season that made barca then come back and pay 50 mill less than what they sold prime neymar for
@@sidbob1215 I'd go Rodri at 6, KDB as an 8, and Coutinho as the 10. I'd rather play KDB as an 8 than have Gundo over Coutinho. And I'm a neutral. Coutinho was an absolute world beater in those Liverpool years
Allison Walker Van Dijk Stones Robertson Rodri De Bruyne Bernardo Silva Salah Aguero Mane But yeah overall both sides are packed with quality, as Klopp's sides thrive on having a strong engine in midfield, I went with Bernardo Silva instead of Henderson - due to Silva being the overall better player. A lot of great names have been missed out though, Kompany, TAA, Wijnaldum, Dias, Gundogan, Fabinho, David Silva, Haaland, Mahrez, Foden and Firmino.
GK: Alisson 2019 - Current RB - TAA 2018-2019 or 2023-Current CB: VVD pre Jordan Pickford Injury CB: Dias (not this season but all previous seasons he's been really consistent. This season he's been decent but it's probably because he set the bar too high) LB: Cancelo (pre-Bayern). Robertson has been great, but Cancelo with his technique was just something else CDM - Rodri (2022 - Current) Complete CDM and without him, City look vulnerable on the counter CM - KDB (2018 - Current) CM - Bernardo Silva (2019 - Current) LW - Mane (2018 - 2020) - what a player ST - Haaland (ever since he signed for City). RW - Salah (2018 - Current)
The choice would be Dias/Alexander-Arnold/Robertson or Stones/Walker/Ake, you need Arnold or Stones in the team for creativity and passing and dominating but to fit one in you should go with the other 2 defenders to support them.
Allison Walker Stones Van Dijk Robertson Rodri De Bruyne Gundogan Salah Haaland B.Silva My 2nd XI Ederson Arnold Konate Dias Ake Fernandinho Foden D.Silva Mahrez Aguero Mane Thats what I would pick.
GK : Alisson LB : Robertson RB : TAA CB : VVD CB : Dias DM : Rodri CM : Henderson (This will be controversial, I can sense it lol) CM : De Bruyne LW : Mane RW : Salah ST : Agüero
Klopp is such a good manager he never had great midfielders in his Liverpool career but managed to dominate the prem at times when midfields are the most important positions on a football pitch
Coutinho had like 1 good season. Its easily a triple city midfield and noone really comes close. And trent isn't better than walker. Walker has 5 pls and played a big part in the defence every year. Trent has won 1
It was always astonishing to me that Liverpool never tried to improve upon their midfield after the CL and PL win. In my opinion the 2-3 years after that were a waste because had they improved upon an aging Fabinho and Henderson and injury prone players like Keita and Thiago. They would have been able to pinch another league title and possibly would have had another CL under their belt. Looking at now that they actually have a good midfield and Klopp is leaving… it just seems like such a tease of what could have been.
Keita and Fabinho really messed Liverpools plans up in that they were meant to be the heart of the midfield at the perfect age (late 20s) while they transitioned away from Hendo, Milner etc. but instead Fabinho was actually 38 with a dodgy passport and Keita was a corpse. Hendo/Milner ended up as the more reliable players. Then, after that set back, Madrid were replacing their midfield at the exact same time and Liverpool missed out on all of their key targets to them in consecutive windows.
You are right but again, ill argue with Rory that i dont think mane and salah become who they are without Firmino .. he was the most important player (outside van dijk ) and arguably even period during the klopp era. I dont think we win trophies without Firmino (or Origi)
With De Bruyne up front you could have either Aguero or Haaland but without De Bruyne and and just Mane and Salah I’d choose Firmino. It’s like Rock, Paper, Scissors
Allison Walker - Van Dijk - Stones - Robertson KDB - Rodri - B.Silva Salah - Haaland - Mane The likes of Fabinho, David Silva, Fernandinho, Foden, Gundogen, Firminho all unlucky but that team is by far the best XI you can make
As a Liverpool fan i cant argue that the midfield 3 has to be all city players. Liverpool's midfield in their prime were all dogs and worked hard. Fabinho was unbelievable for us but Rodri is arguablly one of the best DMs the league has seen. If anything Wijnaldum is our best hope of getting in that midfield. He was our most important midfielder, was never injured, could play in multiple positions, technically brilliant, massive engine, never lost the ball, scored some clutch goals, was always at least a 7/10 for us, he was 100% an unsung hero in that team it only took us till this season to replace him properly. Not saying he would get in the midfield but he definelty deserved a more honourable mention imo.
You guys should’ve printed all the players from both sides under them managers cus. Calling names from your head seemed current players, yaya toure, David silver, Fernandinho
