Crime expert slams Netflix & comic Richard Gadd over Baby Reindeer 

I wonder when we will stop talking about the stalker and talk about the rapist in the movie. Why is everyone more concerned about trying to find out about the real Martha than finding out who is the real rapist? Where is the rapist who seemed to get away and probably is going on normally about his life...?

He's right. My 68 year old neighbour harrassed me for 2 years before i called the police. I would scream at him to leave me alone, and the next day he'd be back as if nothing had happened the day before. This is while he had a tag on his ankle for stalking a 21 year old girl, but he had no concept that he'd done anything wrong to either of us. The judge actually said to him 'i cant dismiss you as an old fool because still here today in court, you dont think you've done anything wrong'. These people are completely deluded and do not recognise how they behave. They genuinely think the other person was into them.

The r****st is definitely a lot worse then the stalker ... definatley needs addressing.

He gave a reasonably full account of his role in it. He encouraged behavior, he tried to set her up, he sought sexual encounters that I'm sure many viewers, like myself, found abhorrent. His story was of trauma, why trauma encourages and cycles trauma, and how traumatized people seek out, encourage, and don't understand their own repeated traumas. I think, with his story, he did his best to document what happened to him, as well as the reflections of his own behaviors that contributed to the story. Great piece of storytelling, and reflects how real life is never black and white.

The casting for the stalker was dead on a great casting choice

This movie is not intended to be educational. It is called Baby Reindeer, not Strategies for Dealing with a Stalker. It's a warts and all account of one man's complex, emotional life experiences, including stalking.

I hope she gets Piers' number and he gets messages sent by iphon

So with all these reporters working, none of them can confirm if she went to prison for 9 months?

This is second season material 😂

Fiona is responding the way would expect the real Martha to act.

She is doing the same thing she did in the show, trying to smeer his name in public and trying to say its all his fault not hers.

She could've just stayed quiet and no one would have known. No one believes you, Martha!

Piers should not be doing this interview. This woman is not well & this could make her offend again. Completely unnecessary to give her a platform.

Does noone else think that the focus sbouldnt be on Martha but actually on the rapist? It seems to me that Richard Gadd used the stalking part of the story to kind of be a safe way to tell the real story?

That criminologist takes A LOT of time/words to say VERY little

Whatever the real life drama etc... or how much was art imitating life ... Baby Reindeer is one heck of a great piece of work and the actors are brilliant ❤️

The actress playing her must have learnt her accent from somewhere maybe the voicemails she left??

If it is an accurate portrayal, more people will come forward and claim she is a stalker.

That criminologist could send a glass eye to sleep!

If the FB page I saw is hers, she admits texting, receiving free drinks and him peeping in her windows etc. I really want her to be telling the truth. But if that FB is indeed her.. then she’s already admitted to much of what she is simultaneously denying. Meanwhile Gadd could have blocked the emails and the calls. He didn’t and he admits he encouraged her and here the problem lies… she may have reasonably and genuinely believed they had at the very least a genuine friendship. I meanwhile wish the attention would be directed to the rapist who is allegedly known and being protected like Jimmy Saville was by everyone around him. What a farce!

He admitted that he played a part in encouraging her. That was part of the angle he was coming in at. What caused he to stalk him is a whole different show. What is he on about

He's saying a lot of nothing . Richard Gadd was recognizing his part in it all and felt remorse, went to the police , had a conscience and this is in fact his story , so i feel this mans judgement to be quite unfair . Lets not forget his family was stalked as well .

Richard Gadd has every right to tell his truth and he did so powerfully and with great dignity. The stalker has convictions for stalking. Gadd has all the messages saved. If Gadd needed to talk about her crimes against him and she has convictions she brought it on herself and only has herself to blame. These are crimes. However, the media needs to stop exploiting Gadd's trauma and the stalker. My concern (after suffering severe stalking twice - one is now in prison for murder) was that the drama might trigger the stalker into offending against him again because it is an obsession. But that is NOT Gadd's fault or responsibility. He needed to talk about it and I 100% support his dignified, honest and powerful exposure of what he endured.

Gadd put himself front and centre in this drama . No need for that . He could have written this under a false name and an actor cast in the part .

Think the truth is somewhere in between. Sent from Ipphone.

Not many people realize that the stalker plot in the series was used as a device to enter the mind and thinking of Richard. Script-wise, The series is not about Martha but about him. Many other things occured in the series making him react to those awful situations to show us a kind of introspection about part of his life in the past. It seems people prefer focusing solely on Martha which is kind of a psychological freak show and very first degree.

In the interview Piers asks her has she been to his show and she says “no” while nodding her head not shaking it ! Body language doesn’t lie

Let’s remember first that Richard Gasd is a victim of crime and a victim of abuse. He also happens to be a comedian. The heading to this piece should be remember that.

Won’t the police be able to put this to bed,they’ll have the facts

I believe she did stalk him but I think he had dramatised it for TV.

Do people realise when shows like this are produced, Netflix investigate on the back story. It’s not some TikTok where anyone just uploads their movies.

Based on a true story doesn't mean it will all be actual factual from beginning to end. All Netflix was required to do was change the characters names which is what they did. If the internet investigators still found her, that's not their fault. And if she actually did go to prison for stalking Gadd, what exactly is she suing him for?

He is out of line this guy! I beleive that Gadd did not lie and he himself recognize he had a problem too! There are witnesses to all of that!

I feel bad for her. This is wild, why's the rapest isn't being made public

She's a stalker..you can tell. She's seeing $$$$$$$ signs.

Making money from defaming her? No one had to know it was her had she not came forward 😂

Richard Gadd takes alot of accountability in his role in how his stalking got to the level it did. He openly states he suffers from his own mental health demons too. He never just blamed her but after enabling her for so long it was then hard for him to get her to stop when it got scarily out of hand and then became dangerous & frightening. He had every right to tell his story as it raises awareness to different types of people out there who also put themselves in these dangerous positions. He didn't provoke her but he definitely enabled it, but she should have stopped when he wanted to cut ties yet she kept going and going. Fionas interview shows an incredible resemblance to the character of Martha. She contradicts herself continuously, has grandiosity, takes no accountability or ownership for any of her actions that can be proven, she's a hypocrite and a pathological liar who seems to believe her own lies. She demonstrated that she lies multiple times in this interview by changing her story. She's an unhinged and dangerous woman. Lock your doors Richard Gadd....and Piers, she will be on your tail now too.

Blame shifting, gastlighting, demeaning comments, lies, manipulation, lack of accountability, lack of boundaries, lack of empty. This woman is clearly a dangerous narcissist.

There are different kinds of stalkers and not all of them are actually delusional, this guy had the opportunity to point that out. Even if he did act towards her in a friendly or even sexual way it doesnt warrant her actions. As per usual because its a female she has a get out of jail "its not really her fault" card, from some people.

BR is about stalking and mental illness. Nah, I believe him more then her. But the mini series is fantastic.

The stalking may be overly dramatized. The real Martha never went to jail for 9 months. The thousands of email and harassing the family are also questionable. I think it's important to listen to both sides. We would believe everything in the movie if she didn't appear on Pier Morgan.

This seemed like an additional episode of the series

This man badly needs a verbal editor.

And Morgan should not have agreed to that! She wants attention and she got it!

He will have played down his part in all of it. She stalked him, I think that is undisputed BUT I do not believe he is telling us the whole truth. I think Fiona frequented the bar and developed a crush on Gadd and for his and his colleagues amusement, he made fun of her and pretended he liked her too. He said himself he led her on but I think he has played things down where his own behaviour is concerned. Playing with the emotions of a lonely, mentally ill woman is not just cruel, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I have no respect for Gadd whatsoever. He used people for whatever he needed at the time. Fiona for his own amusement, Teri he was ashamed of but still needed her and the predator, he went back for more, even after being seriously sexually assaulted to get him to where he needed to be in his career. How many other victims are there or will be? Martha's portrayed as a monster but there's also a rapist on the loose that he would rather cash in on than report to protect others He has made a lot of money out of his story which will be heavily dramatized to sell to Netflix. Not excusing what Fiona did by any means, she needs help but he enabled her by leading her on until he realised he had bit off more than he could chew. He's also a weird horrible man, he brought that on himself.

I think it’s a great piece of filmmaking. I was abused from the age of 9 and sought abusive situations like Donny, because that’s what was familiar. Baby Reindeer is about Donny and not Martha. She is much more than his antagonist, she is a walking wound like him. Richard Gadd wrote her with a lot of humanity and he never made himself as the sole victim. The real Martha can’t accept this and wants to make it about herself now. typical of narcissistic behaviour. And Piers thrives in this, because that’s the kind of exploitative journalist he does. What about Piers’s responsibility towards Fiona’s wellbeing and re-ignition of her trauma? Richard has the right to tell his side of his story, like Fiona.

The fact people won't leave all this alone is a bad idea. Let it be a show and that's it.

This whole situation is kinda sad. I can't help feeling a bit sorry for her

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In her interview with Piers Morgan she said she didn't watch the series, but has been told about it by other people. She admitted some bits were true, like the name of the show and the hanging of the curtains. She explained she wants to sue because of all the harassment she is facing due to the show. She consistently said she didn't have his number and didn't text him. She also has a point that if Richard Gadd/Netflix didn't want people to identify her they shouldn't have used the few tweets she admits she sent. Until hard evidence of voicemails, texts, emails, convictions, etc. is shared publicly, she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Yes, she comes across as a bit quirky, but that doesn't make her culpable. We should also consider the possibility that Richard Gadd could have created a completely outrageous story based on some milder facts.

how can see sue him if he didn't use her name?

If the series severely embellished the stalking to the extent that they did; 40,000 emails etc and the real truth is considerably a lot less then I think they overdramatized the actual events resulting in a very misleading account of the truthful events.

what people don’t pay attention to is when it says “based” on a true story, which means it is based around a true story and thing are gonna be exaggerated or not true. This show is not his story, it’s based on his story

Skeptical UNTIL I saw her interview. SO manipulative, imho... she deflected like no one I've ever seen in nearly every question. Super grandiose, lied by omission way too many times imho & came off histrionic AF. This guy "expert" is wrong imho. Her interview sealed the deal for me. Just confirmed she absolutely did do those things.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're both badly damaged people who've become pathological liars and just loving all the attention they're getting now.

I agree he had made mistakes, making her believe they were in a relationship, but he admitted this, and he didn't realize she has this mental state, and he does too. And yes again, this is a big problem, there are many underlying mental conditions we are undermining, and the world is still not aware of them, people can be dangerous when they get into higher positions in society. And it's contagious, And we all can see it.

Why did she pled guilty then? She can’t say it’s slander or defamation if she admitted to stalking..

I never believe what the Sun says, same with what this guy is jabbering on about. He clearly has gone "I got stalked... this didnt happen to me, so its all BS" Gabb clearly says he - at times - enjoyed the attention as he wasnt getting any, So walking someone home, or taking them for a coffee DOESNT mean theyre in a relationship. No idea where this idiot is getting that idea from. She was known to lie, and claimed they was in a relationship. And he even says, the only way for him to get her to listen, was to go along with her delusion.

Pop stars get away with writing songs about their exes and internet sleuths outing and harassing them all the time. Why is this different?

richard gadd has never said it was her..... her taking credit proves he's not lying...

Richard shouldn’t have said he instigated it. Because now she can use his own words against him.. But she pled guilty in court to stalking? Didn’t she?

You missed the pont that Ricard Gadd was putting across about his own behavior and lonliness

Literally what tf was the old guy ranting about 😂😂

This is stupid. Not only Gadd admits his wrongdoings IN the show, but also, this gentleman is saying what one SHOULD do, what the appropriate action to be taken is, but is is talking about a level headed person capable of recognizing clearly the situation. But the show depicts his action as troubled. He even says so in his characters own mouth. All this is really dumb.

Work of fiction….get over it…it’s a show for people to watch and make up their own minds about……this is being blown completely out of proportion……..at its essence……it is a money making venture for Netflix.

The series seemed to end with him being comforted by her attention. I mean no wonder she's appearing on Piers Morgan. It's to get him back. This feels like some weird promotional material for season 2 or have we finally crossed the line between fantasy and reality. God help us all :)

“Slams” is an overstatement for old guy rambling

Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.

In a weird, roundabout way this woman (if she is 'the' woman) is stalking once again, inserting herself once again.

He has the messages and e-mails for sure.

What the hell was that man on about? Jesus 🥱

Victims should not live in fear and not be encouraged to be kind because stalkers might get encouraged to do more harmful things. Victims should have the right to warn society of the dangerous behavior these stalkers engage in, exposing them without fear, especially once legal proceedings are completed and it is found that stalkers have committed a crime.

It said it was dramatised . Most true life stories are .

you see. in the show, the name is martha not fiona. neither richard nor netflix mentioned her name. nobody is claiming her to be martha but her lol. if she didn't do these, she can just prove it and move on xD I'd love to watch how that trial plays out like baby reindeer season 2 haha

If Richard Gadd is truthful then this crime expert needs to retire and apologise

If a man did this... they would call for his head...

Gosh just get to the point

Baby Reindeer was not a documentary. It's creative story telling inspired by real events.

What is so interesting about Baby Reindeer is that most stalking situations involve celebrities (major or minor) or normal folks who somehow come into contact with the stalker. This is the first time we see a stalker fixate on a highly damaged individual.

Holy moly. I'm glad he's not one of my lecturers, or rather wasn't one. I stopped listening several minutes ago and was just reading the comments 🤭

Remember the Dr. Phil interview with Shelly Duvall? Maybe we should view this with a bit of caution and compassion.

I see where this guy is coming from but at the same time the whole point of the show is to portray the severity of it but also portray what not to do and his own faults in dealing with the situation

Another expert dragged out to state the bleeding obvious.

She wants some of the profit from the Netflix program. I’m not surprised she’s appeared .

Fiona/Martha would be a dream to observe in a disposition. Under oath with an apparent quasi relationship with reality would be playing a perjury countdown.

I can’t focus on anything except how GORGEOUS your hair looks!! 10/10

Do we have the proof of these emails and voicemails? Just playing devil's advocate here.

What was interest about the show was that Richard is now aware that his self-hatred, loneliness and low self esteem let this woman and the male abuser come close to him. He is aware that he let all this happen to him.

i feel like this guy didnt watch the rest of the show besides the aspect of the stalking..

The Sun journalist clearly didn't pay attention to the interview. Fiona never denied messaging Richard on Twitter - she said she sent a few msgs! She always said she didn't have his number! She said she had lemonade/soft drinks! Netflix should have asked for evidence that proved the series was actually based on true facts.

Tell this lady that this is a fictional series based on real events, not a documentary.

With ask due respect, it’s Richard’s story and we don’t get to tell him what he should be doing with it. There was plenty of “If you’re experiencing this, call this number” type messages in the screen, and it’s bringing awareness to the issues that it depicts with so much rawness and vulnerability. You don’t get to demand that every piece of art, literature, film, be a platform. The show is excellent, it’s doing an incredible job of shedding light on unseen experiences, calling it “naive” is so reductive and just wrong.

Bottom line, she revealed herself to the public. The lawsuit will go nowhere.

Why did Piers give this woman a microphone??

When does 'a muse' cross over to become 'a co-creator'?

It’s easy to call someone who’s got a problem a monster. Until you have a problem.

Was she incarcerated under a different name?

'I don’t think, I sent him anything ' SEnT fOm iPhoN

Where I come from, you can go to the police department and they can issue for you a "clean criminal record" document. You show this paper in instances like when getting a job in the government. And I'm wondering, couldn't she get this kind of paper and show it to the public if she has never been convicted?

Imagine for a second if the roles have been reversed? It would be nothing new and nothing shocking, there would be fuzz about it. However, I'm glad that the guy came out and people are finally speaking about stalking victims.

"He would not advise sharing certain information about what actually happened": dude, nobody is asking you, it is not a police report or a legal case, it is a TV show, writer can share whatever he wants. "She would find it difficult to recognize that the behavior she is engaging in is dysfunctional": well duh! If she was capable to recognize that it was an inappropriate behavior, she would probably not do it... Or like we say in mental health: stalker has no insight into their behavior. And no, stalkers do not blame the person they are stalking for stalking, but for giving them reason for stalking. Martha believes that her and "Donny" have a relationship, that their short meetings are "dates", that they are going to get married and have children (Eggbert, Keith and Neo 🙄🙄🙄🙄) and since they are "involved", she considers his girlfriend as someone who is a danger to her, Martha, and her relationship with "Donny" and believes she is justified to protect that relationship by any means possible. In terms of psychopathology of stalking: stalkers may have personality disorder, but it on its own doesn't make them stalk. They frequently suffer from erotomania: it's a belief that another person is in love with them, so by stalking, they feel they are "helping" that person express their emotions and achieve relationship they are longing for. Erotomania is a psychotic symptom, a delusion. Also, whether the victim encourages the stalker, even out of the best intentions, such as wanting to be friends, feeling sorry for stalker and wanting to help, that doesn't have much effect on the stalker. Stalkers are pretty good in finding "hidden" messages, meanings and signs, rationalizations, justifications, etc. Sure, had "Donny" never given Martha that cup of tea, she wouldn't have started to stalk him. However, that minimal gesture that was really a part of his job as a bartender, started a storm... This stalker story is specific because "Donny" was trying to be nice to Martha, make her a friend. And that is the point: he had a history of abuse, he was under stress trying to make it as a comedian, he had inferiority complex because of history of sexual abuse, so that made him even better victim for Martha. Stalkers find victims who themselves have issues and needs... Baby Reindeer is not only a story about a stalker, but it is also a story about bad decisions on the part of "Donny" that end him not only being stalked by Martha, but also sexually abused while trying to become a comedian and writer. Its message is not only "what to do when someone is stalking you", but why was it that "Donny" couldn't do what any reasonable person would do in that situation, and that is go to police, avoid, instead of befriend Martha, protect himself so she doesn't learn where he lives, etc.