CSCS Card Grandfather Rights Set to END! No NVQ No JOB! 

I couldn’t agree more, but as the big firms are also basically on the payroll in effect as they can claim their levy back against training, none of the big players want to make a stand. Sadly we will see a lot of people leave the big site work this year, pushed out by this change in policy. Safe today but not tomorrow - it’s pay to play disguised as safety

Great point Ray, the economic benefit to this is negative, not in the sense of card charge (although its a rip off) but to the construction industry as a whole, my forty years are up, we never had these problems, yes we had idiots who claimed they were trades, good foreman oust them very quickly, the industry has lost sight is education, trades teach trades, a good carpenter will pass on his knowledge freely if the apprentice is keen, same as all the other core trades. I find this whole thing belittling to qualified tradesmen, forcing them with a dumb paper exercise to prove there worth, and to earn there living, outrageous, I truly feel sorry for the youngsters today who want a career in an industry that can provide a good return, I agree with Ollie some of us weren't Einstein at school, but that didn't make me an idiot, I grafted and did very well, its easy to say, but the only thing you can do is rebel against it , ask mp's, councillors, etc why the difficulty in me earning a living, you do have individual "right's" and they must listen to you, your a generation of wiz kids on the computer, set up a "construction" thread that's attractive on this topic, for whatever time you have left bang on the door hard, good Luck Mark

Factually incorrect video. The competence interview I have to do is only £160

@@reubydo Luck you. I find it rather impressive that you project your experience on everyone else, but you do you!

Most of it.

I'm not 100% sure but its worth checking with NOCN if your card will be affected. To be fair to them, they are very helpful when you ring them - it just depresses you with how much it will cost to stay up to date with all the "training" you now need....

I couldn't agree more. Why the original idea to slowly let IA die out as we all retired was scrapped for this mandatory NVQ idea I can only presume is to do with money. Because it has zero bearing on how safe we are before or after we get "qualified".

on uk sites you need tickets for everything! all wants renewing every three-five years, cscs, banks man, slinging, confined space, abrasive wheels, dumper, roller, excavator, first aid, street works, cat and genny, probably more that i have missed but that is just to be a groundworker 😂 overkill! not sure how it works having your own company but thats to work for the big housing firms! taylor wimpeys even want you to go for a weeks training to learn their own in house ticket even they have realised they can make money of our backs

It will be a loss to the industry to see you and thousands of others leave for this reason, although I suspect what will actually happen is firms will stop requiring us to have the stupid things in the first place - or at least I hope some common sense will prevail.

green card it’s literally nvq level one

Well no is the simple answer. Anyone can buy a machine and drive it as you could a car on private land.

On the big sites is all

Where is this information? I’ve had a lot of interest in this video and many people, including myself, simply don’t know!

​@Olliegunns it is on the nocn group web site for cpcs card renewal. I went to a local authorised trainer to do the interview it is only one hour ish. I have my card back for 5 years now

I'm not actually sure on how the labour's card will work going forward. If it expires around December this year then I would call up CSCS and see what they say. It seems to be different depending on what your card is for.

@@Olliegunns ok mate thank you for the reply 👍🏻

Does your card have the letters IA after the qualification listed on the back? If it does then you have a problem. If it doesn’t then you are fine, you can always call the CSCS helpline and they will confirm if your not sure

​@@Olliegunnsno A but what is worrying is that my new card expires in 2024 when my CSCS and sssts expire in 2025?

Literally a money grab as far as I can tell. No need to make those of us with grandfather rights who are "safe" to work on sites this year - and yet next year we aren't. Its ridiculous and will affect 1000's of people, many of whom have no idea this is looming

If you really want to get a job in this industry and people are ignoring your CV - then try visiting some local jobs to you and ask the site manager in the office. We have a shortage of people in this industry - someone will be keen to take on a man who shows up at the gate keen to work. Attitude is key!

@@Olliegunns how will this effect general labourers and skilled labourers ?

I meant it more for people who have been in the industry for their entire lives - I don't think their lack of qualification should stop them from working. As we both have done an NVQ, you will no doubt agree that we have learnt more on site than we have from the NVQ - although its an important first step, and no bad thing to have behind you. It certainly helped me establish my experience when I was starting out. But sending guys in their 40's and upwards back essentially to college to get an NVQ that their experience far outweighs just seems pointless to me - and discriminatory, as an NVQ wasn't around when they started.

Hi Paul, I think you need to do the Health and Safety within a Construction Environment Level 1 ‘Level 1 Award in Health and Safety within a Construction Environment (RQF)’ You can do it through Highfield E-Learning (not affiliated in any way, just who I did mine via) There is some online training and exams, which consists of mock exams and then a final one via Webcam which has to be in a pretty much empty room done via their online website which is 40 or 50 questions which is similar to the one at the test centre, once you have passed this you will be able to go onto do your official test (at the test centre) which will be the HS&E Test for Operatives and then you can apply for your new card. I have just done these courses but some reason straight after I did the week long SMSTS course, which I honestly struggle to make it make sense. Did the SMSTS but still had to do a Level 1 after 🤨 Anyway, Hope this helps all the best

If you have your tickets through industry accreditation and haven’t completed an NVQ for the category’s you hold then yes this applies to you

​@@Olliegunns Hi ollie im currently trying to get my cscs card/traffic marshall ticket so i can work as a traffic marshall. Do i also need a nvq qualification post dec 24? Or could i do all of these qualifications separately.

Since doing this video, you are the 2nd person to say about this interview route. I wonder if that’s the case for other types of cars too because that’s not how it’s being presented when you research it

@@Olliegunns it's only the CPCS cards. Npors and the CSR cards over here in northern Ireland aren't offering this competence interview route

That's good but not much use if you are in your 40's or 50's and don't want to go back to school just to continue working in an industry that you have for over 20 years! How can we be safe this year but not next year? I'm all for upskilling the workforce and training people but this doesn't benefit anyone except the training companies and the CITB!

Yes they do I,m 58 just got a gold CsCs card I have City and Guilds up to advanced craft in Bricklaying...all I had to do was send photo evidence of my Certificates to the CSCS card providers

You missed the point. They wont be able to work on site post dec 24 without a valid nvq specific to the job role

@@dzinkz im currently trying to get a cscs card can i do a seperate nvq qualifcation and would that be allowed post dec 24?

Quite agree with you Carl. It's not as if wages justify it all. No wonder people feel angry money is hard enough to earn as it is.

I couldn't agree more. I made this video to inform lads that in a few months time they might not be able to work on site anymore but its raised more than a few eyebrows as to why the scheme has gone down this route. Clearly it has nothing to do with safety - your safe on site this year but not after December.... need to pay money to get an NVQ to be safe now..... yeah right! But until the big contractors start seeing what a racket the card system has become, we are forced to play their silly game to their rules.

when you get too skilled, you cost more, so this is how you reset the pay grade to a price they only want to pay... there are no skilled shortages either, that is just a campaign to draw in new fodder to provide basics, to keep pushing along projects at minimum wage.

I always thought city and guilds was the same as a NVQ ,I did my city and guilds too,a two year course at college