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Cub Cadet Mini-Dozer: Next Stop: Tracks! (S2E2) 

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The dozer's track tensioners are installed and the track chain is used to verify operation of the tensioning system. Then, a drill is used to run the dual transmissions while manipulating the operator controls to run the track system! Success!
Using parts from two vintage Cub Cadet garden tractors, along with metal fabrication and welding work, we are building a mini dozer from (almost) scratch.
I use a Langmuir Systems Crossfire Pro plasma table with a Razorcut 45CNC plasma cutter and a machine torch to create many needed parts. At times we shift to the Bridgeport-clone knee/vertical mill or South Bend 10 inch lathe to complete a machining step. Occasionally, the South Bend shaper or the Logan lathe is called on for specialty work.
A Hobart Handler welder is my primary MIG welder, and it comes into play at nearly every step. If I'm not running the welder, an Oxy/Acetylene torch or the Eastwood Cut 40 plasma cutter is fired up for some molten metal removal.
Making a mini-dozer will add to the collection of equipment that I previously built, including the mini-motor grader and the tandem axle Cub Cadet dump truck/gator.
Dewalt and Makita grinders and drills, eVolution metal cutting saws, a Grizzly metal cutting band saw and Jet grinders and sanders see regular use in my projects.

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@ianwille5780
@ianwille5780 2 года назад
She’s coming along. Looking good.
@halcampbell1384
@halcampbell1384 2 года назад
Frank, You don't need to cover or overlap the gaps. Just weld some metal plates/bars closer to the center of the track plate giving the tracks added traction.
@johnwalker7543
@johnwalker7543 2 года назад
Hi Frank love watching these videos, as i am a retired machinest . I would sugest useing a piece of 1/4 by 1 1/2 angle iron for the spacers. Turn the 90 deg.. of the angledown on the edge of front pad , hold a 1/8 space between the two pads, this will prevent the rear pad from rideing up over the rear pad it will give you more traction. Just a thought.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I went with flat tracks for the time being. Plan to add grousers later.
@frankross2382
@frankross2382 2 года назад
I was schooled as an automotive engineer and have been in fabrication for 50 years. I agree except I would use 1 1/2 by 1/2 or even 3/4 angle. Also I think your track thickness is overkill considering the weight and power of your machine, especially considering your backer plate on beneath. My dozer is 40hp and 4 tons and it only has 3/16 inch plates. Better yet if you can find someone to press brake the front down and the rear of each track plate up, which would also strengthen the plates considerably, then add a piece of angle with large flat down and smaller angle straight up to form growsers. I wouldn't use anything larger than 3/16 plate for the track plates and the backers.
@jeremycable51
@jeremycable51 2 года назад
Finally caught up lol awesome build series and happy to tag alone
@jerrysmith8086
@jerrysmith8086 2 года назад
That is a whole lot better than breaking your back and mashing your fingers off. (I like it). Done a great job on the lift.
@robsdeviceunknown
@robsdeviceunknown 2 года назад
I have dreamed of doing projects like this. But with my Father. He's almost 76 now. Life got in the way. We have the resources, we just never took the time. So much regret. I just wonder if you have kids/grandkids and if you would enjoy doing something like this with them? Relation or not, I would totally just hang around and help you for fun. What a treat that would be for me.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Such a nice thought. I do have children (grown) and a grand daughter. I have been blessed to be able to spend days in the shop with her building bird houses, flower boxes, "treasure chests" and even a "castle." I will tell everyone, grand children are God's compensation for old age. Yeah, You and I, we'd get along great I think.
@beeroquoisnation
@beeroquoisnation 2 года назад
Might I suggest, since you are using a soft steel for the pads, just drilling and tapping the pads to accept a bolt on rubber grouser which will accommodate all surfaces for operating on. It may add a marginal expense, but the payoff would be worth it. Great build... can't wait to see how you progress.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 2 года назад
I worked for a company that had small (18,000 pound) four track machines that would slip form curb on construction jobs. The tracks on those machines had a 1” hole in the center of the track pads to allow mud or stones to be able to have way out from being trapped in between the sprocket teeth and the track pad. The track pads were bent at an angle on both sides about an inch and a half in at a 30 degree angle to keep from digging in the asphalt or base you were running on when you were turning. You also need some slack in your chain in case something binds up, like getting a rock stuck in your track chain or mud and dirt in between your track pads and your sprocket, or you’ll lock that track up immediately. We always ran with a half to one inch slack in the chain, another way around that would be to have a heavy spring on your track tension. That was a couple of things that company came up with to avoid trouble. For what it’s worth. I know you have your way and it’s working out well for you. I’m really enjoying your build, keep them coming!
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Interesting. I've seen those curb laying machines. I imagine similar to the drives on asphalt milling machines. I have 1" square holes in my tracks for the exact same reason. I'll have some slack in my track as well. Using a spring for tension scares me a bit as it creates a potential risk when servicing when it has to be compressed. I guess there are safe designs to do to this, but trying to engineer and build something is another challenge. Maybe a Macpherson strut or something similar. I have a spring compressor from when I replaced some struts but it always scared me to use.
@martylawson1638
@martylawson1638 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 For tensioning the spring safety, how about making an over-center toggle linkage so you have a nice controlled way to remove tension from the spring for servicing? (like the load-leveling springs on RV trailer hitches.)
@bertrandpotvin
@bertrandpotvin 2 года назад
This is a beautiful build. I can't help but wonder at the wonders of engineering involved in real tracks. Hinge points, overhangs, drives and slacks.., geometry.. Thanks for taking us all along this incredible project.
@dennissmith8199
@dennissmith8199 2 года назад
Frank, On a real dozer, the track chain links are all half links, where as you are using a regular chain, which allows it to get into a binding position. The half links are the same pitch as two links of your chain. You would have to weld the track pads to two links, a narrow and a wide one and center the pad on them to get away from that problem with the chain you are using. Great work though! Wish I had the space for a plasma table, those are great.
@imdeplorable2241
@imdeplorable2241 2 года назад
I see what you mean. Move the hinge point to the center of the pad and weld the two links to the pad. He has two hinge points on one pad. Seems to me you would want the hinge point between two pads. In other words, one link, one pad. So, smaller pads, one per link, are needed, in my opinion. I don't know but, it will be interesting to see his solution.
@zstangkrewson
@zstangkrewson 2 года назад
@@imdeplorable2241 you couldn't weld to two links, the track would stiffen up and not roll to well. One of my thoughts was to use narrow tracks and place twice as many.. I still think there has to be an overlap.
@imdeplorable2241
@imdeplorable2241 2 года назад
@@zstangkrewson Yep, you're right. I see, by doing that, the track is now HALF as flexible. So, smaller pads, one per link should work better. Now, I can't wait to see what design change he chooses. Stay tuned.
@kadehefflinger2391
@kadehefflinger2391 2 года назад
Definitely following this build! Very cool!
@williambotner8817
@williambotner8817 2 года назад
Frank Ive enjoyed watching your RU-vid videos absolutely one of the best bull dozer designs I've seen... I admire your work ethic knowledge of milling machine ,lathes true craftsmanship thank you for your time and sharing your passion of Cub Cadet builds
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Wow, thanks!
@williamjones6850
@williamjones6850 2 года назад
Frank you have to remember Grousers on the Track !!!
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Those are coming, but are some time away. Lots of other priorities right now.
@richball9576
@richball9576 2 года назад
That trailer Jack was a great idea to improve your crane!
@quinceyfoose4276
@quinceyfoose4276 2 года назад
Hey Frank all my years of hevey equipment use the tracks have a boss in the center for grip not on the gap the gap is for dirt an other stuff to fall out an it's bolted on so it can be changed out when worn out just trying to help out man love the vid an this season man looks sweet
@andrewbrenneman9592
@andrewbrenneman9592 2 года назад
Did you think of using rubber tracks? Only if those rubber tracks are available to work with your drive system. Your build is incredible & ingenious. You have come up with ideas that are very unique.
@rmacsrmaddog2192
@rmacsrmaddog2192 2 года назад
I was thinking the same thing. I saw a Snow Cat running today with rubber tracks. It would definitely cut down on the weight and labor.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Where's the fun in buying a track?
@andrewbrenneman9592
@andrewbrenneman9592 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 I was thinking about ease of I stall and use on pavement & concrete. However, rubber tracks may not work for your application. Still an ingenious build. I can't wait til you have it in full operation. That day might be a wine breaking ceremony day.
@grichards9511
@grichards9511 2 года назад
What about attaching tire tread on the plates instead of using overlap strips and growsers. The unit is more likely to be used for light applications and on pavement than in heavy mud where the overlap stripes make the most sense.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I'm thinking I like the clink, clink, clink of the steel tracks. Something a bit "big boy" about that.
@philstreeter9703
@philstreeter9703 2 года назад
Frank, I wish I had 1/4 of your creativity and ingenuity and every other attribute that I can apply to you. I'm amazed at everything you do. The simple change to the DAVIT is amazing. Why didn't they think of that. Keep up the master class in building, we love it.
@seansysig
@seansysig 2 года назад
Great fabrication & adaptive design techniques. Can't wait to see this amazing project come together.
@brandongrant5343
@brandongrant5343 2 года назад
Whoever is related to this man is lucky. Super wise and full of knowledge. I love seeing the beautiful work you do. Keep on a chugging and keep up the great content!
@davidhamilton7628
@davidhamilton7628 2 года назад
Looking good frank can't wait till she roars to life👍
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Won't be long!
@Crewsy
@Crewsy 2 года назад
The trailer jack leg on your Davat Crane is a great idea. Only thing better would be a linear actuator. 😉
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Considered that, actually. But again, those are On/Off and motion would be jerky. Plus another button to deal with and would need another power source. But it would still work better than that static link they provided.
@patrickcolahan7499
@patrickcolahan7499 2 года назад
The dozer is really starting to take shape. Nice job on the davit. I like the application of the the trailer jack. It would make your life easier if you were to build yourself a magnet on a wand to pick the parts out after cutting. Also, having some magnets to position on parts as they are cut out ensures they won't shift as you are cutting. Simple attach the magnet so that it bridges the gap between the part and plate after it cuts about half way will help ensure nothing shifts. Once you have the chain tensioned I don't think you will have any issue with them. Make sure that the pad that over laps is overlapping the pad behind it when moving forward.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Great idea on the magnet wand! I need to make one. Tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion!
@morpar318
@morpar318 2 года назад
I would say punch holes in the tracks with a French press not only will it lighten the Weight of the track it would add more traction and strength for the track to grip to as well then you can get rid of those flaps all together.
@williambryant5946
@williambryant5946 2 года назад
Really enjoying these videos and seeing your cub cadet dozer come together. Very neat and interesting project. Stay well. -Wil 👍
@bradley3549
@bradley3549 2 года назад
It looks like the main issue with the track pads is that you only have a pad every other link. Which is very different from a normal track. Maybe skinny pads attached to every link would ultimately be better and not allow the misalignment that could result in pad overlap.
@robsdeviceunknown
@robsdeviceunknown 2 года назад
That's it. I couldn't put a finger on it but yeah you nailed it. I probably would just put a smaller track pad on each link myself. But I am not near as good at fabrication as you guys.
@mrl3guy
@mrl3guy 2 года назад
Good morning. I'm excited with the progress of the build. It's coming along pretty good.
@mikewatson4644
@mikewatson4644 2 года назад
Good choice to not have the track pads overlap. If dirt or debris would get in the overlap area, this would have the effect of shortening the chain and causing tension problems. This could still be a problem if there is any buildup on the idlers, boogies, or the drive sprockets. Running the chain on the loose side would be better than running on the tight side. Having a spring loaded tensioner would be a good safety measure, this could be addressed later if it appears to be a problem. Enjoying the build and seeing how you anticipate and overcome problems and make design choices. Looks like the 220 welder is a big step up. Considering ordering a plasma table based on what I see you doing with yours.
@zstangkrewson
@zstangkrewson 2 года назад
I have never seen iron tracks that didn't overlap. overlapping prevent debris from getting in between the tracks. Overlapping here would be minimal if there was 1 pad per 1 track link and this would cause less damaging friction to the final product.
@ronniesanders6756
@ronniesanders6756 2 года назад
Doing a great job. Have a lot of fun
@kevind5508
@kevind5508 2 года назад
I like your thought. Keep it simple get it moving then worry about the details like grousers nice work!
@patiencepeeler7103
@patiencepeeler7103 2 года назад
Great timing thank you for posting new video !!!!!
@kimber1958
@kimber1958 2 года назад
loving it
@martintaylor984
@martintaylor984 2 года назад
It might be a long evolution to get your steel On your table, but I think the solutions you came up with are genius!!
@lorenmeyer5290
@lorenmeyer5290 2 года назад
Looking good Frank!
@jamesrichardson2077
@jamesrichardson2077 2 года назад
really enjoy your videos! cant wait to see when your finished!!
@stevegleichauf1027
@stevegleichauf1027 2 года назад
GREAT PROGRESS AND WORK.
@davefontes8532
@davefontes8532 2 года назад
You are correct on the overlap of the track pads on real dozers. I think the issue is real dozers have track pads on every link. One issue I see in the track design is there is no give in the the track tension. If a rock gets caught in between the chain and idler or sprocket, the track will bind, or break. Real tracked machines use a coil spring and a grease jack system to set the track tension. If something gets in the track, the spring can compress and allow the rock or what ever to pass. Getting close. Keep it up.
@kaylinmoffitt1083
@kaylinmoffitt1083 2 года назад
Very nice
@srtautoworkz
@srtautoworkz 2 года назад
Great vid as always Frank! We used to rip our long sheets on the plasma cutter itself and let the mag support the cut off
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I have done that but the cutter just barely reaches the edges of the sheet.
@TheDistur
@TheDistur 2 года назад
Going to be fun when you can move it around!
@neiljensen9585
@neiljensen9585 2 года назад
For the grousers you mite check out sucker rod[it is hardened ] if you are close to the oil patch it is usually cheap
@edisonhartman9920
@edisonhartman9920 2 года назад
Been watching since beginning awesome job
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Thanks for hanging in there with me! It'll be driving around in a couple more episodes!
@oldfarmer4700
@oldfarmer4700 2 года назад
Weld the nose of the plate on the edge of the link and the rear will hang over that has the piece on top. The front will roll under top piece quicker.
@grahampeters6609
@grahampeters6609 2 года назад
This is going to be a heavy wee beast might need more HP??
@jonhunt5408
@jonhunt5408 2 года назад
Set up a jig for your milling machine and taper the leading and trailing edges of your track pieces at 45 deg. but retain a 1/8” lip. With a bit of use these will wear rounded and I think you’ll find it will work out okay. This assembly you’ve mocked up looks very clean and it’s considerably less welding than hundreds of rods. I wouldn’t sweat there being a bit of flexibility in the track assembly. The overlaps will also prevent excess junk from getting to the rear surface of the track where your bogey system will have to deal with it. Your track tension system should keep the track taut enough to prevent the issues you’re thinking you might encounter. It’s a great build and I can’t wait for your next instalment.
@timliggett5088
@timliggett5088 2 года назад
I think your fix is cut those in half let them extend further back on the next pad bend them slightly down so as to not lift the track chain as the chain follows the sprocket around or so it dont lift the next link off the sprocket drive
@heli-man-
@heli-man- 2 года назад
For anybody that likes this build it is much easier to watch on double speed otherwise it’s like watching and listening to someone in slow motion some of it is still a bit slow in places even on double speed
@jerrysmith8086
@jerrysmith8086 2 года назад
I believe I would forget the bar on the track.
@arthurpage3175
@arthurpage3175 2 года назад
I think the problem of the overlap is due to having two link joints between each track pad rather than one. Your chain pitch is half the pad length rather than being the same as the pad length.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I think you nailed the issue.
@archangel729
@archangel729 2 года назад
Awesome video. You could put the cover plate in a break and put a slight bend in it may solve the problem of getting caught when going around the sprocket . Until the next video peaceout
@christopherromines3544
@christopherromines3544 2 года назад
Military tracked vehicles have bolt on rubber tracks. You had mentioned possibility of damaging your driveway with the metal tracks. So if you look at stacked rubber dock bumpers you will see that you could stack layers of old tire or stall mats and run bolts through to clamp them together and then just bolt those to the existing track plate with carriage bolts. You can cut and replace your own rubber pads and be less likely to have to do any welding if you damage them than the current set up depending on the profile you make can even provide more traction on soft ground. You could even set them up to nest and cover your gaps by cutting angles opposite of each other. Yes it sounds like alot of work cutting out hundreds of rubber stacks but if you have a shop press once you get a template designed make a cookie cutter and use the press to cut them out exactly the same can even have the bolt holes all at once.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
My driveway is all gravel. At this point, rubber track pads is an expense and resource issue that would not provide any benefits. I plan to weld on grousers--1/2 inch square stock.
@kevingreen8649
@kevingreen8649 2 года назад
On cat tracks they don't overlap that much but they do have a bevel or I think what we used to call a clean out on the back side.
@Sludge73
@Sludge73 2 года назад
Frank, Kicking ass. Looking good. I wasn't too into the overlap pieces. I thought "grousers" (new term for me) would be the only way to go. I know zilch about tracks. No experience with them. I'm curious on total weight when finished. Heavy ass cub cadet. Thanks for sharing!
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Yeah, I abandoned the overlap idea. Will add grousers later. ~2000 lbs/ 900 kg.
@roywaite5793
@roywaite5793 2 года назад
Love your videos. Always a great project. At first I thought of grinding a bevel on the edges of the pads so the overlap pieces would ride up over the edge of the pads. But now I’m thinking dirt or rock could get trapped between the pad edge and the overlap pieces causing the pad to no longer to lay flat and cause damage? I think I would do just the pads without the overlap pieces as you said
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
That's what I decided to do.
@DUSTEATER2
@DUSTEATER2 2 года назад
Your track need to be engineered to run in both directions. As far as I can see there is no front and rear of the track pads as someone noted. I'm afraid the track weight will be an issue down the road but I'm no engineer for sure. You are brave to take on this much time, labor and money for A great project...THANK YOU!
@rjay1674
@rjay1674 2 года назад
Hi Frank, love these videos. We have a lot of the same stuff including the Cross Fire Pro. One of the comments here suggested putting opposite direction bends on each track. There is a company in Oregon that makes a you weld it press brake kit for the Harbor Freight or other 20 ton hydraulic press. The company name is Swag Off Road. I have this press brake and it could easily put the bends you need on 1/4 inch steel plate that size. No cutting and welding required. Good luck.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I'll have to look into that. Too late for this project but I've been looking at presses for a couple months now. I need one but I want one that is air/hydraulic not hand pumped. Need to make some room for it.
@rjay1674
@rjay1674 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 Not pushing the HF one but they do have a 20 ton air/hydraulic jack that will work for it. I did that modification too. I had to laugh when you showed your old Craftsman tap and die set as I have the very same one. Just one more question, I see you have a machine torch on your plasma table, is that the Razor Cut torch? BTW, I used to train German Shepards for police K9 work, I had 2 males also.
@jeffslife6571
@jeffslife6571 2 года назад
I think with proper tension it will work the first way. 1/2" welded on the pad with 1/4" over lap on the next. I also think you should put the entire pad, with the over lap welded on centered over the chain link. Vs the ³/8 pad centered then the 2 inches welded on one side.
@davidchilders2691
@davidchilders2691 2 года назад
Bevel each pad opposite direction on the front and rear you can then use full width pads with near zero gap
@papashoes7138
@papashoes7138 2 года назад
The pad can't bevel down as the inside of the pad needs to be flat for the bogie wheel to roll on
@jerrysmith8086
@jerrysmith8086 2 года назад
But you did a great job anyhow.
@bearsstuff
@bearsstuff 2 года назад
Total lay person here but any concerns with the weight you’re adding to the machine? Really love the build! Look forward to future episodes and watching it roll out for the first time.
@railroad9000
@railroad9000 2 года назад
Wonder if that engine has the power to move all that weight.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Nope. Weight is nearly irrelevant to the machine moving on level ground. You can push a car, right? A person is what, 1/3, 1/4 HP? It'll work fine.
@railroad9000
@railroad9000 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 OK Just don't want to see all your hard work go for naught!
@SegoMan
@SegoMan 2 года назад
23:30 The cut prior to the cutting, I use to do the same thing for my 2x2 until I built a 6x12 :-)
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
I don't do that any more. I get 4x4 sheets delivered (sheared at the supplier from 4x8 sheets). I put the whole 4x4 sheet on the table now. 6x12. That's a beast. Forklift? Travel lift?
@SegoMan
@SegoMan 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 Forky with a stinger! I have a Hypertherm 105 and have cut a lot of 1" & 1-1/4" with it.
@chief270202
@chief270202 2 года назад
Just my 2 cents, but I would ditch the 3/8 spacer too. Once you get the blade on it, your going to be pushing a lot of weight for that little motor.
@CapeCodCNC
@CapeCodCNC 2 года назад
If you were closer you could use my 50T press to form the front and back of the pads in an S.... or you weld alternating 3/4"" strips cut at 45's....
@MacGyver-1
@MacGyver-1 2 года назад
Should definitely have springs built into track tensioners, for debris that gets between rollers and track and sprockets and track, it will probably end up breaking something if you don't. My bet is on the casting of the rear axle
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Slack in the track. Engine will stall before anything breaks.
@MacGyver-1
@MacGyver-1 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 with infinity variable hydraulics? No stall, the hydraulics will go untill max pressure and blow the relief but at that point there will be very high torque at the sprocket. And considering the smaller size than the original tire, I think you may be underestimating how much torque that axle will put out, just my two cents. I know everyone is a keyboard engineer but there isn't a tracked machine that doesn't have springs built into the tensioners
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
May be something I add later.
@leehuntley189
@leehuntley189 2 года назад
I think the overlap on the tracks would be twice as strong with a couple or maybe even three plug welds if you ever have one break off try a few plug welds down the length
@jerryglen986
@jerryglen986 2 года назад
Hello Frank 👍🍺🍺
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Howdy!
@scotttod6954
@scotttod6954 2 года назад
I wonder if you put the overlap plates in a slight angle in a alternating pattern like a chevron. It could be an advantage. Still use the same width plate but get more effective overlap.
@zstangkrewson
@zstangkrewson 2 года назад
YT wouldn't post my reply prolly due to a screenshot I shared... I love your project, but I think your track should be twice as many pads at prolly 25% narrower pads. Dozer track use half link chain, this greatly reduces sway... the bicycle chain design you're using is incredibly flexible and wide plated with gaps like what you are having I think will pose possibility of damaged especially if you grab a large enough rock or other in between the tracks. just my two cents, great build, learning a lot. hope some of our suggestions help you too! Thanks for Sharing Sir!
@zstangkrewson
@zstangkrewson 2 года назад
Looking at your video, i would make you first layer of riser plates 1/4" narrower that your chain links on center, so if your chain link pins are 3" apart, I would go 2.75" wide and only long enough for your rollers sit just inside, 8" maybe? I forgot how far apart your carrier rollers are OD.
@zstangkrewson
@zstangkrewson 2 года назад
I also strongly believe you will need one track plate per chain link, and this is because the wider plated are giving you too much gap for that chain and the radius at which you are wrapping around on the wheels. If I'm not mistaken, the narrow plates @ 1 per link, will not require much overlap. your outer plates only need to 1/2", maybe 5/8" wider so if you are 3" apart OC and chain pins, make the outer plates 3.375" to 3.50" wide and offset the inner and outer plate from each-other so the overlap is natural and there will be no gaps when laying flat and a minimal gap while going around your wheels. At least, there should be a lot less flex required than using larger wider plates, 1 per every other chain link.
@jamessimon7367
@jamessimon7367 2 года назад
Hi Frank! Great Build! How about using angle iron for your grousers.
@daviddamico4288
@daviddamico4288 2 года назад
Frank Are you planning on building a cab for it , I would put angle wedges on the pads for tracking looks good.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
No cab. Would be out of scale to fit a person.
@daveschroedersworkshop4479
@daveschroedersworkshop4479 2 года назад
Probably a good idea to lose the overlap. Even if they don't work correctly, they're likely to clog up with dirt and jam anyway.
@jimmybrown788
@jimmybrown788 2 года назад
When the track is complete it will be alot harder and heavier than it is as a chain to remove so idk if a solid loop is best idea
@michaelchaney9553
@michaelchaney9553 2 года назад
Your track isn’t tight so it will look as it does, so when you tighten your chain it will work as it should
@kaylinmoffitt1083
@kaylinmoffitt1083 2 года назад
Remember that you won't want the tracks rubber band tight you'll want a slight droop to it otherwise ur track will bind and were faster
@edisonhartman9920
@edisonhartman9920 2 года назад
1x1x1/8 angle would work great on tracks
@petetheprettygooddog
@petetheprettygooddog 2 года назад
I fear it may pull to the right a bit. The left track will have all the slack on top, the right will have the slack underneath the track.
@majwood1
@majwood1 2 года назад
Just weld some angle iron to the pads for traction
@HotRodingSmallscale
@HotRodingSmallscale 2 года назад
I like watching you figure out what's going to work by testing it put first. Do you plan on putting a canopy on to keep the sun off your head?
@richardcornelius1050
@richardcornelius1050 2 года назад
IF you look a real dozer track pad that overlap section is not flat , There is a slope to prevent the issue you are having also they overlap farther
@patcoder7308
@patcoder7308 2 года назад
Go with 1/8 with small angle stiffeners
@dajonczy427
@dajonczy427 2 года назад
I think if your torchmate would bevel track pads like real caterpillar 931 track pads will eliminate track pad binding . 931 caterpillar owner. Add rebar later for traction. Just my humble opinion
@jun1977i
@jun1977i 2 года назад
really cool, I wonder if you going to put fenders so it will protect the driver from the tracks.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Yes. Fenders and leg wells are in the works.
@Thecowboy1950
@Thecowboy1950 2 года назад
Yep that little dozer will be so heavy and under powered it will never move
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
It will run and work as intended within it's power envelope. You'll be surprised.
@michaelmelvin6514
@michaelmelvin6514 2 года назад
sorry I was wrong.
@gman4802
@gman4802 2 года назад
I don't think you need to have the narrow piece on the track pads. Looked good without it. Just a thought. Looks like tracks would have to be kept pretty tight always.
@ianallen2
@ianallen2 2 года назад
14:30 first electric powered mini dozer. :)
@johnolver3217
@johnolver3217 2 года назад
Looking great! Too bad a guy didn’t have a huge press to stamp out a set of track pads. Are you making a custom grill to match up to say a td4 or even td8 style?
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Hadn't really thought about the IH dozers, but some of them are really nice. I was going to put the Cub Cadet grill back on.
@kensnyder9372
@kensnyder9372 2 года назад
That is where a press brake will work , to put a slight bend up on the over lap so that doesn't happen .. A press brake to do that on 3/8 plate is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.........lol......................
@normansandds757
@normansandds757 2 года назад
Did you think of placeing them on the underside ?
@Crewsy
@Crewsy 2 года назад
@34:26 How are the bogie wheels going to run across those gaps between the backer plates (risers)? I think you’ll need to make them abutt a little closer to each other so the bogie wheels don’t drop into the gap. As for the overlap strips. Perhaps if the overlap doesn’t actually overlap the next pad and you taper the outer edge of the strip and the top edge of the next track pad you could close the gap and still prevent the bind. You might also be able to combine the overlap and grouser strips into one by using a heavy 1.5 x1.5 angle iron.
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Hey, Wayne, I abandoned the overlaps. Will add grousers later. The bogies don't drop--they are fixed. Enough of them are on the pads at any given time, they just roll along. Won't even notice it.
@Crewsy
@Crewsy 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 Unless that part of the track is positioned on a high spot or rock. It won't always be on a flat surface.
@donanders2110
@donanders2110 2 года назад
Are the pad risers really necessary? That would shed a bunch of weight!
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
They allow the track to go concave a bit. Addressed that issue a few episodes ago.
@bradley3549
@bradley3549 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 If you run narrow pads on every link instead of wide pads on every other link, I believe it would still go concave, prevent the geometry that allows pads to overlap, and would simplify the design and probably shed a bunch of weight as well.
@donanders2110
@donanders2110 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 I missed that I guess,, makes sense now that I think about! Thanks for the reply!
@benjaminolsen6520
@benjaminolsen6520 2 года назад
Is the tractor going to be strong enough to power through the tracks, blade, dirt and maybe even dragging a ripper?
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Won't have power for a real ripper, but otherwise will work within it's capability. It's not for clearing land or road building. It's just for fun.
@m2kkillshot
@m2kkillshot 2 года назад
I would recommend not doing the overlap on the track pads I would just suggest adding in some form of growser or just a strip of metal to give the flat pads something to bite against you could also just take pieces of steel rod and weld them to the tack pads to act as growsers they could be placed at both the front and rear edge of each pad giving you excellent grip and allow for your tracks to have maximum flex. It would also add minimal weight to the track by using the steel rod, you could obtain the steel rod by using pieces of rebar as it would be a cheap metal rod.
@MarylandBornConstruction
@MarylandBornConstruction 2 года назад
Curl the over lap under the following pad and that will fix the problem.
@ronmckee8132
@ronmckee8132 2 года назад
bevel the edge
@seansysig
@seansysig 2 года назад
Use grouser bars without overlap plate.
@kiesh.
@kiesh. 2 года назад
I know it would be a lot of work, but could you cut a groove along the center line of your overlaps to allow you to bend a slight V into them and reweld the closed up groove? Keeps your surface area up, includes a grouser and possibly stops the interference?
@bigbaby1177
@bigbaby1177 2 года назад
What was your profession before you decided to sow us your talented Passion of wood and metal fab?
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Nuclear Engineer.
@bigbaby1177
@bigbaby1177 2 года назад
@@woodandmetalshoptime8048 The attention to detail shows. I am a cub fan as I have a 90's SGT that has done everything I ever asked of it. Looking forward to seeing the end result of the dozer.
@wegmandan
@wegmandan 2 года назад
Is the tensioner spring loaded or grease loaded? Will that chain grip in snow. Or mud?
@rodneywager2142
@rodneywager2142 2 года назад
Frank I wouldn't even use the extra piece. Just my opinion
@heli-man-
@heli-man- 2 года назад
I was just wondering how many years this build has been going on for
@woodandmetalshoptime8048
@woodandmetalshoptime8048 2 года назад
Less time than your build, I imagine.
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