Curtis Yarvin Live at the Based Deleuze Release Party in LA (Mencius Moldbug) 

Everybody gangsta til Moldbug gets emotional

Ive been on a Yarvin content marathon the past week or so. The moment we see starting around 20:00 in amazing. I truly love this man. It's a look into his soul for a minute. He's speaking about a communist writer. But moreover a fellow human being and parent. It's beautiful. Maybe you can say he had something else going on in his life that contributed to this, but who cares? I feel like (maybe childless so) that we need more of this.

Curtis is totally Gen-X to the xtreme.

"Don't inhabit the stereotypes of your opponent."

Does Curtis play a comedian character called Sam Hyde?

Hey Justin I just wanted to thank you for all the work you are doing. This was a great interview. Giving the spotlight to people with such unique levels of thought is SO important these days.

Curtis must do public lecture series. We need that

“Augustus was like FDR” , this is going to occupy my brain for awhile...

Thanks so much Justin. I only heard of Moldbug 4 or so months ago, through Malice and then he was on Malice's live stream yesterday, amazing. And now I am here and still being blown away by truth bomb overload. Brilliant👍

The wood paneling here makes it really feel like I’m talking to my friend in a basement in the Midwest. Nice touch.

“The NYT is an absolute, hereditary monarchy.” Kinda makes me rethink this whole return to monarchy thing...

*raises microphone to laugh into it*

RU-vid’s existence has been justified.

Note to RU-vid: If I'm watching this, I don't want Chapo next in my autoplay.

NOTES: SPECTRUM: I'm 60 (Curt Doolittle). Curtis is in his 40's. Justin is in his 30's. The audience might be in their 20's-30s. JUSTIN: 1 - There is an demand for intellectual life, intellectual discourse. You have to make it yourself. Put it on. If you build it they will come. 2 - Power Hungry Institutionalized CURTIS: 1 - Loosen's up and gets comfortable about 35 minutes in. Then we see the 'him'. Good. 2 - Makes the point that the american lesson of democracy failed by wilson's acknowledgement of it. (I use the economics of the american experiment in expansion permitting the luxury of our incompetence). 3 - American revolution is the vietnam war in the 18th c where england is america. A civil conflict between two factions (whig/puritan against anglican). Created conflict in two segments of english society, in a cold war, but it was a hot war in america. The americans win the war. But because britain loses the will to fight. "Jefferson is a cringe". Articles of Confederation... John Hanson the president of congress. It was so disastrous because of democracy (by adams). "We have to establish responsible aristocratic government." Very much an aristocratic republic. 4 - Fear of the Other. We are the enlightened few. Historically this is not a ridiculous fear. Deep bitter loathing between upper and middle class. (Disagree: Status conflict between capital owners and producers and capital renters.) 5 - "If anything is going to work it will require an alliance of the three classes." , "are we in the late roman republic or the late roman empire". "the history of the republic is conflict between the classes", (He doesn't believe civil war is possible.) "With augustus this whole conflict goes away. One side wins the civil war. The side that wins is the military. They were unifiers. They claimed to restore the republic. But they were authoritarians. we've in practice created a monarchy. So augustus is more like FDR. A startup nation. Under augustus restarted because of caesar.'s use of the people (working men)'s violence". "caesar captures cato's headquarters. And finds a chest of letters from cato's supporters (the old guard's wealthy supporters). We are going to kill them (soros et all) and give it our friends (magas). (We don't need to find the chest. it's public information.) .... (I think more in Mao's terms but the problem is the same.) (the spartan way is to find some hostile and burn down his house). 6 - "I don't have any ideas or any big ideas ... I disagree ... the important thing is all negative: the absence of belief." (I agree. He's a practitioner of Critique which is his cultural background. I do solutions. That's mine. But criticism is more fun. you don't have to bet anything on it - just feel good about yourself. You have to risk to take solutions. That doesn't mean that criticism fails to help us understand the problem that we DO need to solve. ) 7 - Agree on The Machiavellians as the most important book of politics in the 20th. ("The italian school of political science", Mosca. Elements of political science / theory of the ruling class" Read Burnham instead. most political systems have divergence between formal power (supposed to work) vs objective power (who is really in charge). The reality of power and the formal legal reality of power diverge. (Hence my work on preventing that by providing a via-negativa market via the court). When appearance is powerless and symbolic, then the reality is unaccountable - especially when it's distributed and bureaucratic. (Curtis isn't mentioning the via negativa of monarchy, but that's trivial.) 8 - The Times and the Post are part of the government. "The Department of Information" and it's entirely unaccountable. The New York Times is an absolute hereditary monarchy." (true). 9 - "Formalism and Sovcorps are old ideas that I emphasize differently." This is what Curtis does that others don't equal. He criticizes and explains with historical literary depth and excels at thought experiments to assist the audience. This is the value of an analyst and teacher. The fact that he doesn't have solutions is not a failing. We get intelligent conversation that isn't dumbed down or sentimental. The problem is the world wants solutions sold by someone who can explain them like curtis. We don't have that person. QUESTIONS: Large number of small governments. Patchworks. A governance structure. the government owns territory and runs t like a business. A government is a corporation that runs a country. Corporations are monarchies. "Imagine gordon ramsay going through the state department's fridge". The answer is as generally as possible, you want accountable monarchies. Augustus saved rome. That's the unanimous sentiment. Tiberius. Caligula. Claudius. Nero. (Bad) Henry VI etc. Steve Jobs, Apple, most like monarchy. Puritans were very experienced at forming the republic. President was an accountable ruler to the shareholders. The President in the government was inherited from the puritan private corporation structure. The industrial revolution was the corporate revolution. (CD: he's confirming hoppe on monarchy). (CD: no via-negativa.) reality... the ceo is a monarch, completely in charge but completely accountable to the board. but if the board gets involved then something is wrong. if the shareholders get involved its worse. The board isn't corrupted by power because it doesn't have power. It's an exception handler. ( CD: Board as a form of via negativa judiciary - exception handler. I have to work on that idea. ) THOUGHTS 1 - I think Minsky's observation that programming is as novel a way of thinking as were logic and mathematics. And that there is a very clear reason why programmers trend male, right, and libertarian, because we are always disambiguating categorizing, and testing empirically rather than intuitionistically. 2 - Curtis is a "pill dispenser" because he uses Critique rather than analysis. At least he uses it toward beneficial ends. ;) 3 - Curtis: academic institutions evolved as low influence. (He doesn't touch the economics of it postwar and why that became a problem.) (He's strangely interested in the marxist period .) They are power hungry and that's the problem. 4 - Same attitude for blue state ruling class - these are my peeps - but are you taking care of the people or just power? 5 -Main difference between us is that I consider humans 'bot's that require an operating system that fails gracefully downward and increases in precision upward, and that we need both negativa legal and positiva reward (commercial) markets - and that all of this is noise on top of group strategies. Politics sits on Traditional Law and the Metaphysics therein.

Justin Murphy and Tek Wars are true legends for both getting Moldbug on. Wish I could have made it to the live event.

This man is a walking footnote

@ 0:35 Curtis was thirsty. Ah a drink, just what I needed he thought to himself. Curtis lets out a bellowed laugh, as if the staff was reading his mind, in that exact moment. "You fucker" he whispers. Curtis reaches for the drink gleefully "We won't need those until about an hour in" Curtis recoils in near embarrassment, almost forgetting the entire act was recorded. "I'll just play it off cool" his mind shrieked. So Curtis settles on a move which could best be described as, "I'm dusting the floor bro"

It occurs to me that the cathedral uses neurolinguistics programming (NLP) to assign emotions and negative connotations, or positive connotations according to how they want the target audience to feel about any given subject, and it appears to be very effective.

Doubtful you're reading this comment, but could you please become more active on the podcast circuit? There's a vacuum of your perspective in the milieu but you seem to properly enjoy this type of thing, so why not? Most people would respond to this message warmly and with further curiosity. It's been a joy, thank you for speaking and thanks to the platform for hosting.

As a Honduran I find intriguing the fixation Curtis has on Central American countries. I've listened to him many times using Central American countries in examples when explaining stuff.

The sincerity around the 20min mark really took me off guard, genuinely a sound chap. Brilliant talk, was gutted it had to end!

Mold bug seems surprisingly normal, masculine and healthy. I've long admired his nought but I imagined him having a more poindexter affect

The thing of it is, by the time you get tenure (or the British equivaent), you're supposed to have transformed, pod-person style, into a beige apparatchik (aka "bugman") and not have any interest or inclination to say anything interesting to say that deviates from the 3x2.5" card of allowed academic outlook. The fact that you didn't means that the treatment did not work on you thus they had to expel the foreign tissue.

This was great, hope there's more podcasts like this in the future.

Moldbug bought a pair of skinny jeans for the occasion, bless him

Someone should count how many times Yarvin says ummm. He's much better in text. Still worth listening to.

Heard this dude on Tim Dillon He fills in a lot of blanks on things I’ve been pondering my whole life Love his historical examples

Newbie here, why did Curtis get choked up around 22 mins in?

GJ J.M. - Been waiting for Yarvin for years.

The difference between democracy and politics, is: Democracy, is just a logos, a stereotype, an idea, that we look at as goal, but not reality. Politics is what actually happen. It is not based on the idea of politics, but reality, and reality is always darker than the pure idea.

He’s a really emotional person

At 1:36:16, Moldbug is admirably correct in admitting that UR's main contribution was as Critique, not as Construction. He attempted the latter, but only really succeeded in the former. Many writers, especially political writers, fail to achieve this level of self-awareness. It must be difficult to admit even to yourself that a large and definable portion of your intellectual work failed, despite, in some cases (eg, the Anitversity), high quality and potential. On the other hand, Urbit rolls on, and is this not a constructive contribution, if of a different kind?

there's literally no discussion on Deleuze.

This is super dope. Justin's point between 55:00 and 58:00 is fantastic and needs to be heard: radical intellectual life should be respected by both sides of the ideological spectrum, opening up space for communication within them.

I russian fan Mencius Moldbug.Yarvin is great!!!!

I’ve been watching long form intellectual conversations for quite sometime but at this point I’m hungry for serious solution discussions such as political strategy, alt-tech stack to counter the censorship including internet access, DNS, and anything that can be cancelled including travel, jobs, food access. The Reddit story is also interesting ie squeezing hedge funds instead of seeking political solutions.

This is nice, I like the moldbug

Yarvin aged in a good way haha kind of like a cooler, darker version of those Silicon Valley ‘mavericks’.

Hey Justin can you do another lengthy interview with Moldbug as soon as you can? We need more of this.

GREAT VIDEO. I've never come across this channel before, but this as awesome. This is the first time I felt like the interviewer was really engaging the speaker in an interesting manner and actually bringing something of there own to the table, so great performance by by Curtis Yarvin and this Justin guy. The DIY wthic is something we really need to bring to the political/philosophical arena.

the Q&A segment wasn´t as fun as i thought it would be, i think most of the people there already believes in Moldbug 100%, compared this with the Futarchy debate where most of the audience where skeptic about his ideas, i really wish that people would want to criticize the shortcomings of his political system or at least the ideological aspect of it, or something like that idk

Curtis Yarvin makes Jordan Peterson look like Jeb Bush.

The French Revolution was the first horror of the Modern Age. It was pure terror. And all of Europe suffered for it.

Yes I'm based.

50:14 political intervention 1:26:23 post-political America 2:08:41 the nazi mill 2:22:56 American communism 2:40:44 Antarctica first

Good interview. Mencius Moldbug's writings are well worth reading, especially for anyone on the right.

Sam Hyde lookin' good

2:08:36. It only took two hours for Justin to OD on redpills

Thank you for this interview!

Moldbug looks like severus snape.

“That’s the bait” Worth the price of admission.

Why was this video shortened? where's the rest?

I would advise that the audio levels be raised. I'm at 100% volume here, and the sound of cars outside still overpowers the video.

actualy historic, thank you

Literally baffled that people still conceive of this guy as some kind of racist or nazi or whatever

Justin taught me for a semester at university. His official page on the university website mentioned Subcomandante Marcos, although I honestly can't remember the context. He was super left-wing at the time, and his class was full of students with similar sentiments.

Tw weeks later and this is all in the shadow of Corona and Bernie is toast.

23:00 does he start crying?

Where is peter thiel in the audience? Did he at least get an ergonomic chair?

Host: ‘You shouldn’t have to fly”. Covid: hold my beer.

The crying thing is pretty understandable. He’s a father, what father wouldn’t be upset at such a circumstance?

The frustrated English teacher really comes out of him

Responsibility requires authority, but authority is tempered by accountability.

Not a big fan of Justin but this was a great conversation. Thank you, Justin. Hope your book sells well!

The way this is lit? Lit.

Why is the video blurred sometimes? Are you testing to see if people only listen and don’t watch? Very annoying.

This is great to see. Awesome. Tell Curtis I am still working on the street checking idz while the mayor calls the weed " essential " . Curtis is a good dude. Really.

Great interview! Question: first time I listened to this, I thought Curtis talked about different types of empathy. I re-listened and didn’t hear it. Can anyone summarize that point for me?

You didn't ask him why he endorses Bernie 😢

Got it. Socialists talk about "workplace democracy". Moldbug wants the opposite.

It would be nice if you have a conversation with Curt Doolittle.

"and umm um umm" -Mencius Moldbug, 2020

Would love if you timestamped your longer form stuff

Wow. Feeling fortunate to have had this beamed into my cns. Thanks to all involved

Moldbug would improve his speaking by trying the wonderful BUGMAN world of *TOASTMASTERS*. First thing they'd work on would be the 1,000,0000 "ums" he said.

Moldbug is horrible at speaking, but he seemed in his element here. Eventually the "um um um um uh um" bits decreased. Edit: listening to him half way through the interview was enjoyable, almost no ums.

this is such a cool channel, thank you for putting this on

This guy says "ummm you know" just as much as Zizek says "and so on and so on" lmao

Thanks for that talk. I quite enjoyed it.

What's the reason for the blurry rectangles on the video from time to time?

the lighting and color are on point.

At the end you can see peter thiel in the audience not clapping

His explanation of trolling is a troll... calling it now.

Proud of you J-Dawg

@1:22:00 yes we got a good lesson in the comparison of state power between USA and china and the rest of the planet We know where the next moves will be played hardest I hope everyone took notes

What was the name of the speech Curtis mentions about the cluelessness of voters on both sides?

British version of tenure? Are you originally from the UK?

We need time stamps. I just listen to the whole thing, and I already want to return to some things and topics.

why the blur at 1:37:30 ?

Me explaining Curtis Yarvin to my gf, "okay you know how you told me I'm an 'opinion guy'? Yarvin is basically the Michael Jordan of us. He regularly has opinions that are more interesting than the most interesting opinion one of us might have in a lifetime."

Does anyone know what got him emotional at 22:10? Is he related to the individual in the story?

Late pass but does Curtis think he has power? And is it up to him?

What's with all the blurred images?

1:01 yeah and the larpers have to suppress it. The internet sucks now

Really really interesting talk! Good job on this

I'm just getting into Yarvin's writings. Does he ever specifically acknowledge the Frankfurt School?

> debate white nationalists Sure - take on Mike Enoch and maybe Richard Spencer, maybe together. C’mon, Yarvin, you can do it ;)

This was such a treat, my goodness!

What happened to the audience question section?