*Start* 0:00 Introduction: you are going to hear things people don’t typically say 1:11 The Alt-Right, Monarchy 2:07 Small-Talk 4:56 Famous & Infamous UR, he never read the comments 8:06 Descriptions & Prescriptions 9:53 Samuel Johnson, 💰 *Dumb Headlines* 10:50 “Godfather of the Alt-Right” Walter Benjamin, 1930’s. Politically correct. Art should be good, not crap. 12:49 1970’s University’s start PC 16:17 2015, Power controls Language, 17:30 The Red Pill 💊 *World War II* 19:20 WWII, 21:50, 23:55 Atrocity 24:40 George Marshall 27:17 _Design For War_ • Why did The Holocaust Happen? 31:15 Embarrassing *Core Ideas* 34:00 Heavy Critique of Democracy • 2002, PH.D in Computer Science • Read Rothbard & Mises 37:44 The Classical Libertarian critique of Democracy 40:00 What would the Victorians think of 2020? 41:18 _“The real Libertarianism is Monarchism”_ (found in Lao Tzu, found in Stoics, The Unmoved Mover) Pencil ✏️ draws a circle ⭕️ 44:49 Sovereignty, Jesus 46:59 Constant of Life: Regime Change (Ex. Soviet Union) 49:39 You’re behaving like a sports fan for this ridiculous reality show Propaganda! Golden Plates! Checkmate Mormons! _True History of The American Revolution_ by Sidney Fisher, “Vietnam in the 18th century” 56:33 US Global Empire 1. Voice 2. Exit 3. Revolution • Progressive Infiltration 1:01:35 “Revolution is Chaotic Regime Change, I don’t like chaos” _Articles of Confederation_ 1:03:30 Constitutional Convention Right-wing coup?
@@vermillioncross657 sorry know this is way late, but I'm interested. Why or how did yarvin do that because while I don't think he is emotionally overwrought I perceive his positions as highly critical of the current political and social structures all the way but to the point of overturning them or wholesale restructuring.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 he espouses a passivist approach. Being a monarchist it would be necessary for him to be so. He sets himself above the culture war and looks down on it. As a monarch would
Every time I start feeling comfortable, like I'm actually able to start understanding politics and world history, I listen to Mencius Moldbug and realize what an absolute worthless potato brain I am
1:05:53 “You want Rivendale, not Gondor” 1:07:44 Compliance. Obedience to Power. Respect it, even if you don’t care for it. Chill 😎 1:10:00 Focult _Ambition will ruin the Republic_ 1:13:30 Transmission, Monarchy bails out Bureaucracy 1:17:40 Output/Work of Democracies 1:21:52 Queens of England 🏴 Neo-Cameralist, Neo-Monarchist 1:23:40 Accountable Monarchy • Corporations are Monarchies (organizational charts) 1:26:35 Efficiency Reports 1:27:58 Power is a universal human desire Participation - Collaboration Thymos- The Drive to Matter (Ambition) Eros - Lustful, Porn (Desire) 1:32:10 Angela Merkel “Take The Chill Pill” 💊 “Step Back to Jump Farther” 1:34:45 It’s embarrassing, it’s cringe 😬 1:35:41 *Moldbug Parenting Moment* - How are we going to be able to go to the beach 🏖 ? 1:39:50 Power Level, Word Games • Jargon words, loaded terms 1:42:00 Kennedy -> Goldwater Korean War, very weird Eisenhower Nationalism 1:43:38 Barack Obama, work with Bill Airs. New Left face. “The Movement” , Lowenstein 1:46:35 Weather Underground, SDS, League For Industrial Democracy, Intercollegiate Socialists Society (1903) Jack London, Upton Sinclair, Thomas Winworth Higginson discovered Emily Dickinson 1:49:10 Funding John Brown, _The Secret Six_ This is the Massachusetts Puritan Tradition Radicalism is the real America 1:52:25 Moldbug’s parents were CPUSA members 1:57:00 The Circus 🎪 Silicon Valley Outside USA for most of his childhood, skipped 3 grades 1:59:16 The Cathedral _Why do they always agree?_ 2:02:00 Cat Magazine 🐈 2:06:49 Corrupted Thought Constitutional Thought vs Revolutionary Thought Barbaric behavior fed by a hive mind of ideas, you are on crack. You can’t argue with it. Oligarchy rules 2:10:00 The Mark of Cain Obama - Stalin Trump - Hitler Yarvin - Constructive Nihilist, building from Ex-Nihilo Congress approval rating - 12% You didn’t do anything wrong, please retire; let us give it a try. 2:13:00 “It doesn’t have to be this drama” Optimistic Nihilism 😄
Never knew anything about Moldbug other than the stuff that Malice popularized. Fascinating and unique thinker. Also he has Sam Hyde’s laugh which is a plus
@@jonfungg Culture? Ethnicity? huh? That is the most unscientific ignorant statement. A Jew in Ethiopia has the same culture or ethnicity as a Jew from Italy, Morocco or Russia? WOW you really are confused. Judaism is a religion!
Mitch Lang the slate star coded rebuttal of Moldbug was incredibly disappointing. Not even a cursory examination of his ideas, just cherry-picking a few quotes. If anything the Meditations on Moloch are a slightly more convincing argument.
@@wade2bosh I've yet to find a critique of moldberg that's actually good and comprehensive and not just a dig at a few particular statement he used in one of his early works from UR. I suspect this is impossible.
If you like him, and can read 5000+ word posts, I recommend starting with Open Letter to Open-Minded Progressives. I discovered his blog a few years ago, and obsessively read the entire thing in like a month or so. It's brilliant and wildly entertaining IMO.
This is one of the most enlightening podcasts I've ever seen. While most others are prattling on with hot takes about current events and infuriatingly half-baked philosophical drivel, Thadd is bringing on a cavalcade of some of the most interesting and sometimes most misunderstood people I can think of, and then some.
I agree except in recent months it feels like he's run out of interesting people to interview. Some guests are also just buffoons unworthy of attention, e.g. "Hotep Jesus"
loved this! what an interesting guy. my first thought was, "wow, what a fun guy to talk too." then I realized...if more people adopted his world view, conversations about different ideas could be fun again. or at least you wouldn't have to be concerned with either party throwing death threats at one another...
This is a really good point... People say he's "unrealistic"... (And fair enough...I don't expect the world to look like Patchwork soon, or ever... OTOH, he's right...all regimes fall eventually, and hardly anyone sees it coming when it happens. The question is: What's next? Nothing wrong with hopeful speculation.) - The same people who think it's really, really important to the nation and the future of the world that you vote correctly, giving you something like a .0000001% chance of affecting which of two pre-selected people with slightly differing world-views will "be in charge", if you can call it "being in charge" when you don't even have the power to hire/fire the vast majority of people working under you...
Poor Thadd, trying to get some good points in the conversations, but moldbug is so starved of being listened to, that he just goes off every time full speed. Thank you Thadd for your sacrifice that gives us precious moldbug stream of thoughts, your unspoken points will be vindicated.
Honestly thad looked like a child during this conversation, he was just so outclassed that he took on the role of student even when moldbug droppeded redpills all over him, he even dropped red pills about the jews and thad just kind of grimaced because he knew the history but didn't know how to defuse it. The sad part is that thad never grabbed ahold of curtis and forced him into the present where the could speak on even ground, so instead he just kept talking to thad like he was a child for 2 hours... Hilarious!
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This is Yarvin at his best. He's funny, perceptive, unguarded, his words can't keep up with all the butterfly effects his mind keeps discovering. I recently learned that his wife died, he has inevitably been altered by that loss. Be kind, acknowledge that life altering events will inevitably change anyone at their core.
This "chill pill" shit is appealing atm because of the stress it relieves, but that whole outlook is bullshit unless you live somewhere peaceful. If youre being starved out, tortured, reeducated, your children taken from you or killed, you dont have the luxury to just "chill" and separate yourself from the situation.
I wish that he addressed the civil rights movement, among others, in the frame of his beliefs. The people of that time were able to change their condition by way of politics. Same with early feminist history.
Glad he mentioned Mises, and Hoppe. Two thinkers who really go out of their way to build logical systems for their worldview. I like most of what Mencious says, but I'm not a fan of the word salad style of presentation. Not enough time in my life to read every version of history and so on. Just give me the logic so I can go eat lunch.
@jeremy Lyons Correct. One serious flaw with liberal thought is myth that everyone is a potential intellectual. Now I'm no elitist, I certainly don't think intellectuals should be seen as a unique class, but it takes effort AND natural ability. And not everyone can do that. I certainly can't. And while communication is an important skill for any academic or philosopher, being able to succinctly explain an idea is hardly requirement for a good idea.
Distributist is THE poster boy for "losing gracefully" and letting leftists walk all over him because he doesn't want to be mean. Too much New Testament turn the other cheek not enough Old Testament mercilessly mocking the prophets of false gods like Elijah
@@innocentsmith6091 I wouldn’t call it flipping tables but you’re right. Jesus more or less was just a straight shooter. Would roll in and say “this isn’t working you can keep doing it God (me mother fucker) won’t stop you but it’s at your own peril” that can come off as threatening.
Interesting point. Curtis has expressed appreciation for highly liturgical forms of Christianity. I forget the name of the podcast, but if you YT search Curtis Yarvin and Ethopia I'm sure it will come up. It was a conversation with an Ethiopian Orthodox deacon raised in the west. Fascinating.
@@nathanwoodsy I see the a bit the opposite. Liturgical usually refers to organized religion. From my perspective, true Christianity is closer to a sort of mysticism that is in no way organized. "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
@@konberner170 As an Orthodox Christian I have to disagree. We consider the Divine Liturgy to be a mystical participation in the Kingdom of God. Liturgical forms of worship go back to the founding of the Church, although yes, of course, there is an important place for private prayer.
As a religious Jew of Eastern European descent, and a student of history, I can only agree wholely with Yarvins depiction of the Holocaust, both from the German, and American assimilated jews perspective. I was gratified to hear someone put it so succinctly and accurately. I find it revolting how these same people ant their successors then used that horrible crime against our people to gain leverage for their own ideological gains, In America and Israel. This is not to say that the Jewish claim to Israel is not legitimate; it most certainly is, rather to point out the hypocrisy of the secularists that founded and still own this country.
He’s probably coming from the angle of “The best way to win is not to play the game”. Problem is we’re all in the game whether we like it or not. The will to power is real.
Interesting how Yarvin is sort of Derrida, post structuralist-like in his analysis, which you don’t often see from Right wingers. Often he focuses on language and semiotics. Sort of a conservative postmodernist. My “critique” (maybe more of an observation than a critique) of his thought would be that while he deconstructs and critiques meta narratives he ends up cleverly smuggling in his own.
@@Acujeremy he's not asking for a wide emancipatory movement of the people, and at one point essentially says to capitulate and render unto ceasar's what is ceaser's, along with an anti-democratic model. it's adherence to order where the power is largely outsourced away from the people. those would place him in the right sphere firmly but as for conservative i don't see that in him from what i've read.
Pretty sure, he's an Ancap...that's probably where the confusion is coming from. Micheal Malice's book the new right talks about him a lot. I think that's why people are lumping him in as a right winger. So an Anarcho Capitalist is part anarchist like the post modernists, other part libertarian like Ayn Rand.
There are ways to learn to read faster and retain more. It seems though Yarvin is naturally incredibly gifted, and I’m happy he is sharing his intellect with us. I can’t get enough of him. Thank God he is using his talents in this way. Imagine if he was this smart and a power hungry politician-sociopath? Yikes.
MM who is correct about O's intermediate mentor forgot to mention someone he (MM) brought up when he endorsed Obama: Obama credits "Frank" in his first, ghostwritten book ("As Told To" - uncredited), "Dreams from my Father." Who is the "Frank" that Obama describes in glowing terms as a father-figure to him (after the one who inspired Obama's dreams, Barack sr, leaves the picture). Well, Frank is Frank Marshal Davis (this isn't disputed. Even if it was harped on by WND and Glenn Beck, and the response was scoffing. But that scoffing did not come in the form of disputing it. It's an established fact. You're just only supposed to notice it if you're positive about it. That is: if you're down with the movement. If you're not, then the response is scoffing...krokodil humor). Krokodil Humor is another unique MM coinage that unfortunately did not catch on. Like "The Modern Structure" (which Foseti correctly distinguishes from "The Cathedral," in the introductory of a commentary series on MM that unfortunately never got completed. Or at least not posted on Foseti's fine blog).
btw one of my professors back-in-the-day, when The New Party was a thing, was one of the founders of the New Party, Joel Rogers (a professor at the UW-Madison). Informative guy. Very sharp. *Very* left-wing high-progressive. Obama certainly did run on that ticket in his early political career (the one that started after foundation money sent him to Chicago to organize the natives - colonialist regime cadres are typically High Progressives of that sort. Recruited out of colleges by the wealthy and sent forth. See also Bill Clinton. Not nearly all of these promising aspirants reach the Oval Office, but it's like any form of venture capital. And most of them have some sort of impact. Progressives have deep, deep pockets and can fund throngs of such cadre-types as future zampolits).
I love the concept of this channel. I have over 10 years in a specific niche but I'm not famous and could never share the value I've learned over the years and share it with others on a platform unless someone is willing to talk to a random 31 yr old man in Northern MI. This channel makes me think it's possible I can get that talk someday. I'm an outdoorsman and don't want to learn editing but I would like to speak.
From what little I know Yarvin, he’s like Michael Malice in the way that you don’t have to agree with his conclusions about government in order to realize they’re brilliant thinkers. In a way, if all of us liberals, conservatives and libertarians listened to people like him more, the current systems would be fixed to resemble what we thought they actually should be.
So Hitler held Jews in camps as hostages while keeping it as secret as possible to the point there is basically 0 explicit documentation or communications regarding the camps, and the only official communications or documentation suggests that he was trying to push them out of the country and ship them to Palestine or even Madagascar, and that Hitler tried making deals with Jewish representatives but was ultimately rejected. And from what I read the German's bombed London by accident, as they intended to target factories and infrastructure, but got off-course without realizing and dropped it on London instead? I mean, Germans accidentally found themselves over Ireland a few times to the point that the Irish put markers along the coast to let the Germany pilots know that it was Ireland and not England.
Take the case of the 75000 jews of Slovakia. When the Germans were welcomed in, i think in 1941, there was a deal made between them where the Slovak gvt, lead by the king and the bishop, would pay the Germans 5 kronem per head to rid them of their jews. They were All moved to a few ghettos while the Germans considered their options. The rabbi of Nietra started single handedly treating with the German commissioner to save them. I don't recall the details of the demands except they wanted proof that any moneys came from "world jewry". These orders came from Berlin. He sent letters to NY and Switzerland to the Jewish leaders there to arrange the ransom and was completely rebuffed by the Reform and Zionist leaders respectively. He strung the commissioner along until the summer of 1944, while desperately seeking help from the aforementioned until the Germans finally were exasperated and deported them all to extermination.
When they talked about the Haulocast I hoped they would discuss why it is the only event in human history that is illegal to investigate. That would be an interesting discussion. Maybe a future interview.
@@Confucius_76 Many countries' laws. Germany and Poland, for starters. I'm not a denier (and in fact used to live next door to a survivor), but even I find it a little fishy that it's so damn protected in the oddly-specific ways that it is...
Regarding the Apollo project, I recall Molyneux mentioning the reason we were able to make it to the moon was because NASA was new and there was no existing space program. Many minds came from the private sector in order to populate NASA to complete the Apollo project. The Manhattan project may have been similar in that these weren't traditionally government workers--they weren't born and raised in bureaucracy, but they were recruited scientists. Just a small point for libertarianism.
Wow I would love to see a debate between Mencius Moldbug and Mike Enoch on the Holocaust and any number of other topics because I'd love to see who "own"s who. I don't think Mencius deserves to be as confident as he is, and a lot of people who used to read his stuff have moved on the greener pastures and more compelling narratives. But it's still interesting to hear his "Well ackshually...."s.
I can’t think of any more compelling narratives; there really aren’t that many other new ideas from the right except those that build on him. Mike Enoch and his ilk are not intellectuals or thinkers in any interesting or innovative way.
Actually Bronze Age Pervert probably fits the bill; but he runs parallel to Moldbug, he doesn’t really contradict him. Now that would be a conversation to hear!
haha you are in every single Moldbug video absolutely Hoover vacuuming the air out of his colon. “huehuehuehuehue Mike Enoch not an intellectual” No one cares. Moldbug dresses up old narratives like ideological convergence and gives them flowery new terms like “the cathedral” & midwits like you who just aren’t as smart as they think they are fawn all over him.
At first I thought instead of “run by credentials and processes” Yarvin said “Credentials & Crosses” which given political theology is a punchier way of saying it.
I think people like him are just trying to coopt the Alt right and move them away from where they need to be, his whole “compliance” thing and how people on the right shouldn’t fight for what they should believe in.
@@Confucius_76 the Zionists stabbed Germany in the back in WW1. They brought America into the war (using lies and propaganda) on the side of the British, in order to defeat Germany with the deal being Palestine (then under British control) would be given to The Jews in exchange. The Balfour Declaration is the receipt for this treachery. Germans realized this after the war, and (correctly) resented the Jews for doing this to them. Especially after Germany being so kind to them. Most Jews to this day have German surnames; Steinfeld, Goldstein, Applebaum, etc.
Damn. Just... damn. This is some next level shit. Orders of magnitude more interesting than the typical drivel that usually passes for political discourse.
