AF got a (deal) on a used Freewing Mig 29 with 3d printed scale parts and lotsa layers of paint... This is the maiden and subsequent crash. Sorry buddy, happens to the best of us!
As the previous owner.I was only able to get 3 flights on this jet. One being full throttle high alpha emergency landing! I thought maybe i wasnt skilled enough. But after seeing this. I know for sure the mods & paint (although it looked amazing ..shout out to dan!) Was the issue.
Thanks man. Though a good pilot would have known the plane was too heavy to begin with. Yes it had enough power to take off. But it would never be able to fly as well as stock. Now i know what an overloaded C17 feels like to fly. 🤣
Sorry for your loss my friend! 🥺 Beautiful aircraft, but looked and sounded underpowered!... Thumbs-up for your video! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷 Like#29
I am sorry for your loss. I crashed two mig 29 and I have 2, I am flying almost every good day. Two crashes on 12 blades 🤪. Weight with trust vectors about 13 pounds and trust about 11-12 pounds, possibly it was nose too heavy and battery problem. Also I have two more air cheat hole covered with grills by main gears. Good lock and Happy Father’s Day
@@all_rc I like it. Lately I am flying just mig 29 with spectrum 50c 5000 battery, and replaced stock esc to flycolor W trust revers, our runway is not to long. On both of them I have over 150 flights. Also replaced servos to mg digital hi tech.
Yeah. Made sure motors and esc were calibrated and in sync. The weight was always my concern. So me and my friend really made sure. It was full throttle and sinking when the wings were level. Lost too much speed on the turn in. The more i tried to keep the plane level the more it lost speed. My last attempt to save it was to try to nose down and hope it would come out of stall, but it just never recovered.
@@jbgamers1627 theres video of the crash site inspection at the end. It wasnt worth repairing. It wasnt flying the way i would like. Adding even more weight from repairing crash damage would make things even worse. Wouldnt be worth the time. So i got another one (totally stock) to see the difference. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html
Yeah. But it was either take a chance and fly it, or hang it on the wall for display. Didnt think i could find another buyer after the realization that it was too heavy sunk in. Would have felt too guilty to sell it to someone else.
Went into full stall. I was fighting to keep the wings level but there was not enough airspeed to keep the plane lifted. Even at full throttle it was not accelerating enough to overcome the weight of the plane after i turned back toward the runway. Every time i tried to correct the wing rock, the surface deflection would slow the plane down even more. Could be wrong and im just a crap flyer. But thats why i got another one and made sure it was totally stock to compare the difference. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html
no way that jet was too heavy I literally use the same batteries and I am flying the original first production mig 29 and my mig rips and flys like an absolute beauty.......best flying foam EDF period.
I've been through the same thing with my f16 from freewing, nose was too heavy + wind + low throttle😑.. as it was unfixable i through it away. my heart was broken💔.
It happens man. Best we can do is learn from the mistakes or observations and improve on the next one. Whenever i have a catastrophic crash, i get one of my other planes in the air to shake off the bad spirits.
No way a bit of paint and some 3dp bits would make the mig fly like that, even with the TV system that has 4 extra servos it floats like a butterfly. Can tell from the sound there was something up with the power system.
It's probably more than just 'a bit of paint'. You can tell from the closeups at the beginning of the vid that whatever the guy painted or surfaced it with, he pretty much filled in all the foam defects and the normal foam texturing you see on even the $500 price range edf jets would be very noticeable. It looks almost like it was heat wrapped. But all that covering adds much more weight than you might imagine. You add a coat of paint or two to a real life jet, the mass of that paint is just about insignificant to the mass and power of the jet. With a foamie, you can easily apply enough paint and/or glue to increase the overall mass by 15-25% and with no addition of thrust, that's too much to carry around and fly the way it was designed.
@RC Plane Addict Appreciate the comments guys. But lets not assume all the preflight checks werent done. I spent 2 days sorting out the plane. Trimming the surfaces. Checked the wiring. Amp draw test. This plane was just too heavy to fly. If you guys dont want to accept that reality, then try it on your own planes. 🤣 I was disappointed with this particular setup because i KNEW it was too heavy to fly. Yet i bit the bullet and took a shot at it. There is NO WAY i would ruin my own credibility by selling this plane to someone else after i realized this thing would not fly as originally designed. I was already planning to just take the electronics out and put them in other planes and just junk the airframe. Or sell it to someone who wanted to put a turbine on it. But who knows how long that would take. Worst that could happen is exactly what happened, and i accepted that well before take off. If you guys dont think paint, filler, epoxy, polyurethane and a load of 3DP parts adds up to excessive weight and definitely affects the plane's ability to fly as designed, then hopefully this video showed exactly that. I literally bought another Mig 29 as soon as i found out someone else from the field had one for sale because i really wanted to see how this model would fly IN STOCK form without all the crap done to this particular model. This is the video of the STOCK Mig 29 i got to replace this heavy one. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html Im fortunate that the previous owner of this stock model took great care of it. It literally looked brand new. He is a Turbine guy and just didnt want to deal with charging batteries for 4 mins of flight anymore.
@@all_rc I appreciate your ability to admit that it was your fault. Paint and filler really does add up when you paint a plane of this size. I know a guy at my field who had the freewing f22 90mm and he made a full 3D printed canopy but unfortunately it added like a half pound to the plane and he lost it because of that. A lot of people don’t realize what half a pound can do to these planes. I design and build my own planes and have learned just how quickly the thrust to weight ratio can change. I would highly recommend using vinyl cover next time. It weighs almost nothing and gives a perfectly smooth finish and it’s glossy. You can buy it in rolls and it’s just adhesive stick on cover that is super easy to work with and it lasts a long time. It feels heavy in the roll but a majority of the weight is that paper that you peel off if it
It was running 12B on the 1920KV IR motors. Plane looked great with all the paint work and 3DP details. But it was doomed. Felt like original owner was planning to convert to Turbine. No way twin 80s would be enough to fly well.
I dont think it was the elevator. The stock servos were upgraded to Hitec HS82MG since the previous owner was aware of the servo issues. CG was at the indicated position. But it was really heavy. Maybe even the HS82 had problems moving the tail at full throttle. So i got another Mig and made sure it was totally stock so i could find out how it was orginally designed to fly. Huge difference. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html
@@all_rc I want to get this plane, have you had any issue with the stock elevator servos? I’ve heard complaints but I’ve never had an issue with a freewing servo
@@jacklets3851 apparently the current version that Motion is selling has improved servos compared to the first batch. Also much better linkage. The guy I got my 2nd Mig29 from says his was from the "improved" batch. And I could definitely see the difference compared to early videos of what people got when it first came out. So far my 2nd Mig is flying great with the stock setup and it's really one of my favorite models to fly right now. The Mig29 has amazing presence on the table and in the air. It dwarfs every other Freewing EDF model by far.
No. I got another one that was factory stock. It flies very well. This one just had too many layers of primer, filler, paint, and 3D Printed parts. This is the video of my other Mig29 that came factory stock. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html
Yeah. It didnt feel right at all. I passed the point of no return. So it was either pull the elevators at the last moment and get it in the air, or let it roll into the bushes at the end of the runway. It was too heavy to stop after passing the halfway point on the runway. No brakes. So if i aborted the take off, it would have been damaged rolling into the bushes. The plane was too heavy already. More weight from crash repairs would have just made things worse.
Na. It was actually modifed to run 12B and higher amp ESCs. Just too much extra 3D Printed details and heavy layers of paint. The motors were really straining.
Yeah that bad boy was hefty. Wouldn't have helped even to make it to the runway, it would have pancaked on the hardtop just as bad. That plane would've have needed alot more thrust but also something like reinforcement with carbon fiber spars through it. You see planes that get modded and they're so heavy when the guys carry them you can see it flexing even then. Whomever you bought it from went way overboard with the paint and all that. These foamies aren't structurally that strong.
For sure. People dont realize how much polyurethane, primer, and paint can add so much weight to a plane. 3DP parts are also taken for granted. The guy from MotionRC crashed his F18 when he replaced the foam ordinance with 3DP parts. Assuming the CG and AUW wouldnt be affected. He fought to save plane after take off. But it was just too much. I should have listened to my gut. But i was just too impulsive seeing it in front of me. Ended up getting 2 of the same thing. Which cost more than a brand new one and a pair of batteries. Maybe this blue plane was being built up for a turbine conversion.
@@all_rc I'm sure they put at least five layers of paint just to get it the way they wanted and they probably re-painted over mistakes when it just wasn't right for them and yes paint for sure has weight to it and while it can make some parts a little tougher it doesn't add enough strength to make that added weight worth it. With those custom printed parts it's not just the parts but the hot glue or whatever adhesives he slathered on to make it strong increased the weight quite a bit as well. That's why the dude sold it because he knew it was no longer viable to fly. I think some folks who get into rc don't realize how challenging the actual flying is, especially when they get to edfs, and therefore they spend more time in customizing so they can kind of put off the flying AND landing part, lol.
@@Jazzman-bj9fq This is why i changed the video title to CUSTOM Freewing Mig29. Not fair to make it seem like a stock Freewing Mig29 would fly like this. The plane i got to replace this one was totally stock and well maintained. Had no problems with CG or Elevator servo on the maiden. And its currently my favorite jet to fly BECAUSE of the weight and presence in the air. Its very smooth flying and flies like its on rails. Also love watching the Mig29 on final approach with full flaps to touchdown. Its just awesome!
@@all_rc It looks like a pretty cool plane. Glad you're having a great experience with it. I need to get back into the hobby. I haven't flown in a few years, still have a couple planes in boxes still that I've never put together nor flown.
I got another Mig29 that was still stock with no paint and 3D Printed mods. It flew fine. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html CG on the blue one was correct. It was not a CG problem. The plane was carrying too much weight from heavy 3D Printed details and thick layers of paint.
Nothing was gna save it. If i throttled down, it may have given a few more seconds of glide. But the plane was in full stall which is why the wings were rocking so hard. I tried to nose down to get some airpeed, but once the elevators let go, it just dove into the ground. Even if i got this thing back on the runway it would never fly well. No wonder it was for sale. My mistake was buying it. 🤣
@@shelbyseelbach9568 to each their own... I assume you mean that the video was titled maiden.... If I get a plane used.... I still call my first flight a maiden. I still have to adjust trims and get a feel for it and see how it flies... to me. I would assume when a real pilot buys a used plane, he still calls his first flight a maiden. But whatever, can't please everyone. Thanks for watching
@@all_rc For the record, I never complained or stated my unhappiness in any way. I'm merely trying to explain how your title misled me into making my first irrelevant comment by implying a situation for the flight that didn't actually exist. There is literally nothing to get defensive about. I gave the video a thumbs up and enjoyed it enough to comment for what it's worth.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-csyzj-Seb9c.html Curiosity was killing me. So i got another one in STOCK form. No paint or custom 3DP anything. Flew much better. But yeah, the performance even after i eventually upgraded the EDF to the newer 1920KV inrunners just really doesnt make me want to fly this one as often as my other planes.
@ALL RC Yeah, it's a dud... I've had or flown them all and when people ask me about it, I always let them know. Probably the best overall 90mm they've ever made has to be the Venom, Eurofighter, and the F-22... Just awesome flying models.
