CWWK AMD-7840HS CPU+Motherboard Combo Deep Dive - DiY NAS Ready?

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CWWK (Topton) AMD-7840HS NAS Motherboard. Is it Any Good? nascompares.com/2024/03/01/cw...
ECC Memory Testing - • (ECC Update) CWWK AMD-...
What Is The Most User-Friendly DiY / BYO NAS Software? (2024) nascompares.com/guide/what-is...
Here are a few examples of where you can get this board online:
(CWWK) 8-Bay / 9-Bay Board AMD-7940HS $489 (AliExpress) s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DCu...
(Topton) The AMD-7940HS CPU+Board + 1TB NVMe + 32GB DDR5 + SFF Cables + CPU HS $729 (AliExpress) s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkL...
(KingNovy) Complete Board + AMD-7940HS $509 (AliExpress) s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkL...
(UPDATED) Best CPU+Motherboard Combo for Your M-ITX NAS Build - ECC, PCIe Gen 5, 4x4 NVMe and MoreThe Best CPU+Motherboard Combo for Your NAS Build (UPDATED) nascompares.com/guide/the-bes...
Video Chapters
00:00 - The Start
00:10 - GROW UP!
00:40 - Previously on NASCompares
01:05 - Hardware Specifications
01:49 - Price and Cost?
04:15 - Discussing the CWWK AMD Board Design and Hardware
09:12 - Building
09:45 - Test Bench Setup
11:51 - Checking BIOS
14:39 - UnRAID Overview
15:06 - ECC Support?
16:48 - Checking Hardware Allocation
17:55 - NVMe Write Tests
18:31 - NVMe Read Tests
19:15 - Coming Soon - UGreen NAS and Fake SSDs
Recommended Jonsbo N3 NAS Builds For $300 - $500 - $1000+ nascompares.com/guide/recomme...
MINISFORUM BD770i ITX Motherboard:
Amazon ($399 ) - amzn.to/48dd1MM
Aliexpress ($480) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEE...
(PLEX) Erying 13900HK CPU+Mobo Combo ($419) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFI...
(Value) Topton N6005 CPU+Mobo Combo ($261) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFT...
Topton Intel N100 (Green Version with no PCIe sharing) on Amazon ($169) - amzn.to/3UGjhcG
New X10SDV-4C+-TLN4F Motherboard ($995) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DeH...
(Best) The i3-N305 M-ITX CPU+MoBo Combo ($289) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD8...
Check Amazon HERE - amzn.to/3OwrdJV
Minisforum AR900i, direct link to the Miniforum page - store.minisforum.uk/products/...
(Business) The X99 Motherboard + XEON + RAM Kit ($176) - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBq...
nascompares.com/2023/09/08/to...
I Built the Jonsbo N3 NAS ($599 Intel i9 Erying TrueNAS SCALE Build) - • I Built the Jonsbo N3 ...
The Jonsbo N3 NAS Review - Still the BEST? • The Jonsbo N3 NAS Revi...
I Built the Jonsbo N2 NAS - • I Built the Jonsbo N2 ...
The Jonsbo N3 NAS Case Written Review - nascompares.com/review/the-jo...
Jonsbo N2 vs N3 NAS Case - Get It Right First Time! nascompares.com/guide/jonsbo-...
Jonsbo N2 NAS Build Complete Guide UnRAID/TrueNAS - nascompares.com/2023/09/01/jo...
Jonsbo N2 NAS Case Review - Still The Best? nascompares.com/review/jonsbo...
Amazon ￡264.64 Build:
Jonsbo N2 Build for Under/Around £250
Jonsbo N2 + TopTon Intel n5105 Celeron / Pentium n6005 Build (+$35)
Jonsbo N2 Case ￡74.04 (Ali) - amzn.to/3Z3f3Mu
Topton N5105 + 128GB NVMe + 4GB RAM ￡193.48 - amzn.to/47ZibNw
SATA 6 Connector ￡4.19 - amzn.to/3ZbYGNJ
400W SFX PSU ￡24.36 - amzn.to/3qQRzxG
Aliexpress links
Jonsbo N2 - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD9...
Topton N5105/N6005+4GB - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DCl...
SATA x6 Cable - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DeD...
400W SFX PSU - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dk3...
300W PSU - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dmu...
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@nascompares 3 месяца назад

*UPDATE* Just a heads up. regarding ECC support, I did a quick test using a 16GB ECC Kingston 4800Mhz module and..well... here is how it went - ru-vid.comWnu2FbMY7H4

@Noir1234 3 месяца назад

Sad story, but expected

@bw3803 3 месяца назад

I don't understand why you would test it without also getting a cpu that supports it? Why/How did you pick the cpu you did?

@jdigi78 2 месяца назад

@@bw3803 the CPU is soldered on to the motherboard, so you don't have much choice unless you can find one with the one CPU that supports ECC.

@GriffonWalker 2 месяца назад

Well shit, the quest goes on :(

@JackDespero Месяц назад

so there it goes the only reason to consider buying that. Damn, I put it in the basket already, and I started to look for the answer to the ECC question. Out of the basket then :(

@udirt 4 месяца назад

Ty for the review. That's a helpful board to have in some box for whatever random use case might come up

@kryko. 4 месяца назад

These DIY videos are always an interesting watch, keep them up. Hope your cat is okay!

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Yep, he's fine. Had to get some splinters out of his paw (old fence he was climbing overnight). Thanks for the kind message

@john_in_phoenix 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares Thanks, I was wondering myself.

@metrotechguru5863 4 месяца назад

Brilliant video. Cheers.

@sinisterpisces 3 месяца назад

Glad to hear your cat is well and on the mend. :) Great overview video. I wasn't aware of this board, so I'm really glad to see it here. One reason I haven't loved a lot of the CWWK (and Topton, etc.) boards in the past is parts of them have seemed kind of kludged together in the name of squeezing just enough ports on the board, nevermind whether there's enough PCIe bandwidth to support them all. I feel like this board in particular is a big step up in that department. It seems like the engineers who laid it out really tried to be thoughtful about how to balance features and ease of use. Not sure why there's one lone SATA port on the board. Maybe it's for a boot drive? I like seeing the two MiniSAS HD connectors; the really save space on the board, get a full 8 drives (instead of the usual 4-6 on a mini ITX), and will simplify cable management. Fewer ports also means fewer points of failure and less confusion when working on the board. I've had some bad experiences with some Asmedia controllers when working with TrueNAS in particular (the one in the QNAP JBODs won't work at all with TrueNAS and and a LSI SAS controller connected to SATA disks--SCSI errors forever). It's possible that was a combination of the Asmedia controller and QNAP's firmware, though. That said, I'm interested in seeing how you find the controllers' performance and stability. Hopefully, they can support the full bandwidth of up to 8 HDDs, or 4 HDDs and 4 SSDs (not sure about 8x2.5" SSDs...that might be too much?). I'm also curious of your insights as to why there are two controllers. Is it a cost saving measure vs. one 8 channel controller?

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

I'll be mounting 4 drives + the ECC memory for the video. Plus run some SSD tests. Trying to get the video finished and edited for Friday, but the new Jonsbo case + The N305 arrival might take priority

@johnbeeck2540 4 месяца назад

Such useful information - thanks!

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Cheers john

@mamdouh-Tawadros 2 месяца назад

Thank you for showing us this motherboard and for the way you describe things. I imagine this board to be in a rack server, or tower server. Which negates the need for ITX form. This CPU is a workhorse as you mentioned. Thank you so much again.

@Spoolingturbo6 4 месяца назад

always, nice informative video ! thanks for you videos !

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Thanks man

@AinzOoalG0wn Месяц назад

you made the right choice to explore/expand the channel into nas diy. not to say you can't also keep doing the prebuilt nas brand models. but people that have done that want to move onto diy since they want to buy parts for cheaper price and do more than prebuilt systems are able to. then load it up with like either unraid or truenas typically. since you are covering diy, plz also mention the ECC support options and the components to get that all to work for something like truenas. People would love to make a diy using parts you vetted as working so they can use that to make the diy truenas builds. in your diy videos you often mention pcie expansion options which i appreciate, since i myself need the nas casing to be able to support those since i use a SFP+ 10g pcie (in order to install fiber optic transceiver), m.2 ssd expansion pcie card, and a graphics card. So any diy nas cases that only have 1 or no pcie expansion slots just ain't gonna cut it 😢

@wedemandcookies 4 месяца назад

Yes! -- Ugreen DXP4800 Plus next week is fantastic! That's the one I "pre-ordered" in form of that weird $5 for 40% off deal. I hope it is going to be good and we are really in fact able to use Unraid with it? Great content, thank you! :)

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Just finished testing the DXP480T. The included software is still in beta stages (and it feels it) but definitely more developed than the ZimaOS/Casa OS (barring custom container deployment). Plus, the build of the flash model + the DXP4800 Plus (the Pentium one) is very impressive. Just filmed the teardown and it's genuinely a surprise how well their launch product is put together

@EvilMmM 4 месяца назад

Yet again! i just saw recently this mob . and was wondering do you have it allready :D, in what case will you put it in with 8 drives or 8 at least?

@eliteschw31n64 4 месяца назад

This board looks interesting. I am currently on the search for a new board for my diy nas and it kinda fits well

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Cheers for your thoughts man. Hopefully pt 2 will help in whether this suits you

@pascalmunerot 4 месяца назад

thanks for the description of this board. this is exactly what I was looking for. I just ordered it and I am looking for the board documentation if you managed to find it. found some links in chinese but nothing so useful yet. also, I think I read the TDP can be changed by bios setting from 35 to 54w so that may explain why you see only 3,6ghz as max cpu speed. any idea on the TPM module that could fit? I see this is a 10 pin but not sure which to grab from aliexpress or others. fan out sata cable can be ordered in the bundle for a few extra euros.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Already ordered! Just didn't arrive in time for the record (ECC arrived an hour before this was published...bugger!)

@pincombe 4 месяца назад

I like these hardware videos but personally I'm still not sure what direction to go in terms of software. I would love some kind of Unraid vs TrueNAS content. What I'm most concerned about is long term maintenance and running of the software stack. Switching drives, ease of updates, daily use gotchas that kind of thing.

@pluggedfinn-bj3hn 3 месяца назад

In the earlier video you talked plenty about how the CPUs TDP is more than you like, did you do any power consumption testing on this? Kinda interested to see how low the idle and regular NAS work consumption is.

@burntinphx736 3 месяца назад

I saw this board and want it! I was thinking it would go good in the KCMconmey 8 + 2 Bay DIY NAS case. I like the bays being stacked. Now just time to save for the board.

@samo9288 4 месяца назад

Eagerly awaiting the results of the ECC support. Please also measure power consumption please. Without hard drives and with if possible

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Will try to include, but power consumption tests take quite a while around other adhoc tests (without the risk of invalidation), but I will try!

@samo9288 4 месяца назад

@@nascomparesI dont need anything technical, just curious as to the idle consumption

@cinemaipswich4636 Месяц назад

The more expensive option has the cables to SATA drives and additional NVMe drives. 2 years ago is was looking for something like this, and the offers were $900, without ram or break-out cables or NVMe or CPU cooler. Ignore the single SATA port and install your OS on 2 mirrored, and small, NVMe drives, and allocate cache to them. The HDD are the reason this board exists.

@RockTheCage55 4 месяца назад

awesome video....thanks mate

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Bo worries. Thanks for watching it. Have a bloody great weekend

@dhartifact6294 3 месяца назад

Wow, thanks a lot

@zazelskycrest2525 4 месяца назад

Hi, I hope later you will test the hard drive power supply holder on the motherboard to see how many HDD can it powered. When I looking back at motherboard, I suspect the manufacturer intent is that HDD power supply holder is most likely to power only 1 HDD (the one that will be connected to the SATA port) and the SFF 8643 is to be use on a backplane. Depending on this test, it might affect which case that is better for this motherboard

@andrewharwood7843 3 месяца назад

I have done some testing with this MB and can confirm the following: Support for 96GB Crucial 5600 - CT2K48G56C4685 Still investigating the performance of the onboard sata ports but initial tests show about a 20% drop compared to a SAS 3008 HBA Server 2022 support but installing the drivers is a pain in the ass. Power at idle Windows Server 2022 with 96GB + 5 SSDs: High performance: 42W Balanced: 35W Power saving: 30W

@naylo44 2 месяца назад

Thank you! Hopefully my board gets here in one piece from Aliexpress, and if so, I'm definitely getting 2x 48gb for it. ZFS looooovveeeesss ram

@diablobarcelona 3 месяца назад

My just arrived here in Spain today. Bought off the basis of your review. Arrived nicely and well packaged. Will be Saturday before I can put it in, but I bought it with the fan and cost me 400€ direct from manufacturer. Build looks extremely good to me (somewhat untrained eye as I only build new stuff once in a blue moon). I also got 64GB of DDR5 from Amazon for 333€ (2 x 32GB). First major hardware upgrade to my 11 year old TrueNAS build.

@diablobarcelona 3 месяца назад

OK I'm *REALLY* impressed ... wow... first impressions it's superb... will update a bit more one totally finished.

@diablobarcelona 3 месяца назад

God damn... OK, absolutely loving this. I'd been looking for *so long* for "that" motherboard that justified upgrading the hardware. Boy-oh-boy, this is justifiable. I've Got my 8 x 10TB WD GOLD drives, 1 x Transcend SSD (For TrueNAS OS), and 1 x Samsung NVMe for my FreeBSD Jails, such as Plex. I plan to also run a VM or two on this NVMe. Anyway, thank you so much @nascompares ... really happy. My only comment would be buy your own fan, because IMO this one is noisy.

@pascalmunerot 3 месяца назад

Hello, could you please give a link to the memory kit or the reference (ean...). Does it work well? thanks

@diablobarcelona 3 месяца назад

@@pascalmunerot Hi, sorry I thought I'd replied to this, its CT2K32G56C46S5 .... seems to be working superbly. I'm extremely happy with my entire setup.

@user-pz3bg6eq1b 2 месяца назад

@@diablobarcelona Can u test SMB Multichannel with all 4 2.5gbe connected to a router if u have 10gbe? Cause the obly downside for me for this motherboard is the lack of 10gbe port. Well, and also that there is no version with 7940hs, both this one and Topton.

@Oneminde 4 месяца назад

Will follow.

@markmonroe7330 3 месяца назад

Excellent presentation. Thank you. Really wish these had 10gb network as a default. This thing should easily saturate a 10gb and probably come close on 25gb. I just don't understand why these companies are putting such a default bottleneck on their devices.

@davidkpelle5472 3 месяца назад

im looking to build my own as using this board. waiting for your video about a build with this card, could you also include the best gpu that will go with it?

@JohnPonthecuff Месяц назад

I know it's late for this question, but: I have the latest version of this MB coming. Ordered it with the Jonsbo cooler, that they advertise. I want to put this in my Jonsbo N3. OK here's the question. Do you think it will fit in my N3 case with that Jonsbo cooler that they show (white one). I also have 2@ 25mm fans in the back and hope they don't get in the way.....

@JohnPonthecuff Месяц назад

I ordered the 8/9 Bay NAS motherboard direct from CWWK. It came in 7 days after my order which wasn't bad. Problem? They didn't sent the Jonsbo Cooler (radiator) with it. I did notify them, so I would guess it's another week before I get it. Do you have any suggestions? I never had a big cooling surface like this cpu has. It will go into my N3 case.

@ispenttoomuchongear 2 месяца назад

Did you test any of the other boards with the same specs and design as this one, but equipped with Intel 11. Gen G7 mobile CPUs?

@seffka5659 3 месяца назад

i think i heard those seagulls 🙈🤣 thanks for the great review!

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

stop giving the seagulls airtime!

@john_in_phoenix 4 месяца назад

I would love to see you test Truenas when you get the ECC memory.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Tbh I was going to opt for UnRAID on this build, but will think about whether I can do both and a ZFS pools between

@thomasgessert8518 4 месяца назад

What I really would like to see in a NAS mainboard is one to two 10 GbE SFP connectors. Those 2.5 GbE connectors may be cheaper but its not worth it for most use cases today. SFP especially because you are free to choose between fibre or dac cables and tranceivers if you need to use copper. Most affordable 10 GbE switches have SFP ports and limitations on how much copper transceivers you can use. 9 SATA are great. M.2 is only useful for caching until you go for 25 GbE or higher. But all those NIC depend on a number of PCIe lanes a mobile CPU could possibly not provide.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Tbh it's the lane usage. CWWK have a micro ITX board (in a fanless half case) that has 2x 10GbE. But then it only has 2x SATA and 1x NVMe (N305 version). It's about the lane deficit

@nielsdebakker3283 4 месяца назад

can't you stick a 10Gb external nic in the usb4 port?

@drtbantha 2 месяца назад

⁠@@nascomparesAquantia’s AQC113CS will do at least 10Gbase-T with one lane of PCIe 4.0 - would be nice to see someone use it onboard.

@milk4chillout 2 месяца назад

Hey there, I've been testing a similar board for a few days and have two problems. Even though I use a 4pin fan on a 4pin connection, the fan does not react to temperature changes. Likewise, the sindown of the hard drives does not work when I use Unraid. Do you have any experience with this? Is that always the case with these motherboards? Is it due to the limited bios or do you have a tip for me? Thanks

@Pr3mium2 4 месяца назад

Could you please add the power consumption of the board? (Idle, load , max)

@pabloszi 4 месяца назад

I own one for two days. I can say for two day testing, that it takes 17W from the wall. Tested on Proxmox & Win11. Win11 takes slightly highier. One NVME, one LAN connected, no SATA disks connected. PSU - Chieftec 350W 85+. I will try with different configuration (PSU, disks, and so on, LXC/VM running) but it will take time. However currently I own Aoostar R7 with Ryzen 7 5700U (2x NVME, 2x SATA, some USB plugs). With two SATA disks connected (but when disks are in sleep mode) and plenty VMs/LXCs running it draws 17W from the wall. I am pleasigly suprised of power efectivness of AMD CPU. It draws significatly less power then Intel platform with same LXC/VMs runnig - previously tested with N100, i5-1135G7, i5-1240P NUCs. This board I bought to move to Jonsbo N3...

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing man

@Versunix 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares Thanks for the video. Can you please do a Plex/jellyfin test with this AMD GPU ? =)) And can you replace the standard CPU Fan ?, what socket did you need to pick up for replacing the standard fan ?

@deejay5676 4 месяца назад

I don't see the full Video at now I there a SATA Transfer Test too? If not, can You take one? Most of this bords have 575 1 to 5 SATA Chips. I have enough from this trash. This board have asm1166+1164 You say Sorry, my english is bad

@404Darkice 4 месяца назад

@@pablosziHave you checked ASPM support?

@mrdali67 Месяц назад

Well, even without the ECC support the 7040HS is huge upgrade from those Intel N-series chips with their limited ammount of pcie lanes. I don't really get why the m.2 slots is downgraded to 2x, but most likely it's to avoid sharing lanes between the available periferies on the board. Just the 4x2.5gbe have to take the most of the available ones, and I'd personly rather have the performance on those than on the nvme connections. For a home NAS connected to a few PC's, It's quite nice to have 4 dedicated 2.5gbe connections. The CPU should be powerfull enough to support running it as switch too

@barerfont 4 месяца назад

Fingers crossed for ecc this will be a great option

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

I am not holding my breath!

@barerfont 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares we can but dream :)

@onechu Месяц назад

Does PROXMOX support IOMMU? I'm considering a motherboard for my Nas, and this seems like the ideal board, but I've read on reddit that it doesn't support vt-d, so I'm asking. I know you have the latest firmware out, but could you please confirm?

@jobertvangool9961 4 месяца назад

I just put the board in my shopping card @ Topton, got a nose for it, it seems. 😂😂 It’s waaaaay over my budget to be honest, but you def got my attention now! 😂😂

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Tbh it's been on/off testing for 48hrs now and doing everything and anything I am throwing at it

@madnlooney 4 месяца назад

i ordered the all in bundle last week from topton and it was shipped yesterday. Now eagerly awaiting it for my N3 build. 9:25 bottom right standing, is the cpu heatsink sitting ontop of that cap?

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

I was really struggling with the CPU cooler angle here. Every single direction was obstructed or, in 2 cases, flat out blocking.

@laszlo.jozsef 4 месяца назад

It was funny to see, that when you plug in the Ethernet cable at 11:39, the green link LED will light up, but only after that will you plug the mains cable into the power supply. (It hasn't had time to fully discharge since the previous power off.)

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Yep, had to check the PSU was operational and working. Would have been a shorter video otherwise!

@Hellraiserzzz 25 дней назад

How's the HW transcoding support with this CPU/APU on plex? Can it replace Intel QuickSync?

@BarnardoPlays 4 месяца назад

When given the opportunity to mill a finely shaped heatsink with fins to maximise surface area for dissipation of heat they really did just slap an oblong of copper on there and call it Edit: now that I'm halfway into the video, I'm curious what's actually going on with that heatspreader. Is it a mobile CPU and the block is to make it compatible with a standard socketed heaysink?

@shephusted2714 4 месяца назад

this is a bit more strident content and i like it - could make a good router board also - good look at the new hw, think about bonding all ethernet in followup, pls mention if x16(x8 elec) supports bifurcation for 4 more nvme...boards probably has good power stats both in performance and power usage - things are getting better - also compare costs to comm alternatives - should do well

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

EXCELLENT word use! *waves dictionary aggressively* lovely stuff. Cheers for watching

@abb0tt 4 месяца назад

Ultimately the BIOS will determine the ECC support on top of the hardware spec, which is great news, because the mobo vendor can create the firmware for it.

@marcogenovesi8570 4 месяца назад

what great news? All boards with an AMD CPU are like this, the only limit is in the BIOS flipping a setting. Most don't and don't even expose the setting

@abb0tt 4 месяца назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 your comment added no additional insight. Like I said it’s, the BIOS.

@marcogenovesi8570 4 месяца назад

@@abb0tt my comment disagreed with your "which is great news" statement. You are taking a situation that is 100% standard" and saying "this is great news". No it's not, it's just how it always is

@jhirschma 4 месяца назад

Assuming this board does support ecc, I'd love to see a version with a 10GB SFP+ connector instead of the quad 2.5GB.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Tbh, now there is even more brands rolling out SoC mobile CPU mobos (see ZimaCube, UGreen DXP etc) with 10GbE on board, it can't be long now

@jhirschma 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares Well, 9 SATA, ECC memory support, two NVME, Ryzen goodness *and* a free PCIE slot means instant sale for me, that's for certain.🤑

@tendosingh5682 4 месяца назад

A gaming capable NAS!

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Yep

@MrPir84free 4 месяца назад

The scratches on the copper makes me wonder if the item was returned and simply boxed back up and sent out to complete the "next order".

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Wow...don't I feel special now!

@kristianjones8701 3 месяца назад

@nascompares Did you have any issues with this board posting ? Ive got a solid green light when gitting the power button. No sounds at all, fans dont spin up either

@TheUnchartedBull 2 месяца назад

Did you get your board working? I have a similar issue where 4 of the 5 leds light up. They then turn off except one and then come back on again. Also no POST beep or something, even after letting the board run for 15 min or so in this POST loop.

@danielzebrowski5038 2 месяца назад

Does the BIOS / PCIe slot support bifurcation?

@JohnPonthecuff 3 месяца назад

Do you think the jonsbo cooler that comes with the cwwk board will fit in my jonsbo N3?

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

100% yes

@frankwong9486 4 месяца назад

Interesting in does it got pcie bifurcation support

@nitehawk68 3 месяца назад

Can this motherboard boot up without a monitor, keyboard & mouse attached?

@Bauanga 3 месяца назад

@nascompares Can you tell me where you find the info about bifrucation? My board arrived and I can't find an option for it. I've installed one 32 GB Micron ECC stick. Sadly, ECC doesn't work. There is an option to enable ECC in the bios but it seems to do nothing. I'm really dissapointet right now, ECC was the main reason for odering the board. Did you have any contact with cwwk support so far?

@pascalmunerot 3 месяца назад

Aliexpress topton store support advised to use either samsung or Skhynix brand. They claim kingston and others are not reliable. I did not check myself yet though. Also told me they did not have any motherboard docs. Not sure about ECC.

@bw3803 3 месяца назад

For ECC you need to use a processor that supports it, from what I read either these are ones without a iGPU or the pro liine with one. What cpu did you pair it with for your try at ecc?

@AndrewFrink 4 месяца назад

20 lanes total. 4 for the chipset, 1/ea for the network, 8x for the alot, that leaves 4 tital for the 2 m.2 slots.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

They bifurcated a decent amount too I think. Those asmedia components are 3x2. Added an official breakdown on the article, but might have to knock something more formative up. Cheers for the comment and observations man, appreciated

@DrMitsos 3 месяца назад

Please if possible check if it will support 2 x 48GB DDR5-5600 SODIMM for a total of 96GB of RAM, as 64GB are not enough for homelab use.

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

If I HAD 2x 48GB, I'd check...but...umm..poor!

@movax20h 2 месяца назад

Hmm. I hope they will make lower tier CPU version. As it is a bit overpowered for a lot of applications. If they could shave 100$ and do 4 core version, at 15W TDP, maybe drop 2 of the NICs, that would be perfect (well, it would be perfect with builtin SFP+, but one can dream).

@buldezir 4 месяца назад

Hi @nascompares ! can you please comment about x16 slot, what is its reals speed and is there bifurcation available?

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

I've seen online that bifurcated has been successful, but also that this is definitely x8 (hardware lot on ssh/terminal with sudo said as much)

@pascalmunerot 3 месяца назад

Hello. Can someone confirm that the motherboard only has LGA 1700 cooler (Intel) compatible holes? I was surprised as I was expecting an AMD but it does not fit (too long for the holes on the board).

@pascalmunerot 3 месяца назад

from the video at 9:19 it seems that this is the lga brackets.

@cam_934 4 месяца назад

9:24 is that heatsink bracket really going to crush down on top of a capacitor?

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Hi man. I made sure there was clearance..JUST. that jonsbo heatsink they include in this bundle really doesn't sit well in any direction sadly. It's a AMD/Intel combo cooler, but because of that and this being an oddly elongated CPU cover on the board, it's a bit of a mess. Might have to include this in part 2, as this video was expedited to hit the Friday deadline for us

@raycollington4310 4 месяца назад

Sorry to be thick, how do you know the quality of these electronic parts. If say, Synology spec components, they have to support them. How do I avoid building a NAS with low quality parts? Thank you.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Definitely NOT a thick question. Ultimately, you have to opt for the mobo CPU combo brands that are either the primary developers or the 'known' names in the market. I would recommend Topton, CWWK or Minisforum

@Jrfeimst2 3 месяца назад

Why didn't you ever do a performance review of the OWC 8 SLOT M.2 PCIE RAID CARD?

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

Good Question! The card arrived and I did provisional testing, however the SSDs the card arrived with were very low spec, so I tried to arrange high performance Gen4 SSDs to better show the performance potential. However, sourcing 8x Gen 4 SSDs (at least 1TB to avoid a performance hit per drive) was exceedingly hard (this is a small YT channel realistically ) and then there was debates with OWC in the background about using 3rd party SSDs. Eventually the testing was taking too long and other projects got in the way. This combined with a lukewarm reception to the content ultimately ended up with other videos and articles taking priority. The card was still featured on other content surrounding DiY NAS systems, but that's about it. Hope that all makes sense

@Jrfeimst2 3 месяца назад

@@nascompares I get it. The reason I was asking is because I am thinking of doing a compact low noise M.2 NAS with thunderbolt. I was looking at this card or the sonnet one. Sonnet one is my top choice since it’s fanless and one less component to fail. I was going to use the fractal design ridge case and a m.2 to 10gbe adapter as well. But I get it. Thanks for answering.

@roblewis6498 4 месяца назад

Love these videos... But just do not recommend those Sata cables (Fan out).. They gave me nothing but issues with my DIY build and ended up those cables. TrueNAS was just throwing erros because of them

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Cheers for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for that and report on pt2 if they are no good

@666Maeglin 3 месяца назад

Lol that MB install tune.. positively circus clown music🤣

@hugevibez 4 месяца назад

-I wrote a whole comment but foolishly added a link and my comment got eaten by the spam gods. I was saying the 7840HS officially doesn't support ECC memory, but the PRO version of that chip does. However, the difference between those chips might just be a simple microcode toggle in the AGESA.- I see somewhere else in the comments, no ECC confirmed. What a shame. You can see a diagram on the techpowerup page that breaks down the entire FP8 laptop platform that is used with the 7840HS. It only has 20 lanes since this is a laptop platform after all. 8 for gpu, 8 for nvme and the rest for wifi, lan and sata. To get that extra connectivity you're gonna have to sacrifice some lanes. I wish we got a version of this board with no connectivity, just a pcie x16 and an x4 so we could use adaptors to get the connectivity we need. (or even just an x16 and use the rest of the lanes for 2 10gbe nics and an x2 nvme for boot)

@Ao-4 3 месяца назад

Yeah, most likely because they sell PRO versions of these APUs, that do have ECC enabled. AMD deserve to get slammed for this scummy market segmentation, they really are just as bad as Intel in this regard. They do this with pretty much all their APUs that would be useful for a homeserver, at this point. It's really frustrating to have to get OEM parts in the used market for this, and if it weren't for the fact that AMD still allows for slightly cheaper ECC even with this taken into consideration, I would just have gone for Intel. I might still just go pay a bit more and opt for Intel's W680 chipset boards.

@404Darkice 4 месяца назад

The board seems to have ASPM disabled thus drawing 17W (as mentioned in the other comment) off the wall. Is there an ASPM / PCIe native power management setting in the BIOS? Also powertop would be interesting

@_cweb 4 месяца назад

You can enable ASPM in one of those sub menus on PCIe device basis. But that only reduces idle by 1W, so really not worth it.

@404Darkice 4 месяца назад

@@_cwebThat would be weird. Does the processor reach higher C-States with ASPM enabled?

@_cweb 4 месяца назад

As it is an AMD CPU there is only C3 available anyways. And C3 is reached even without ASPM.

@404Darkice 4 месяца назад

That is not true. AMD can reach C6 nowadays

@_cweb 4 месяца назад

Well, C3 in Linux is C6 in Windows for AMD. So it can reach 3 cstates, but it depends on the OS on how it is displayed.

@maxdxs Месяц назад

tehere are a good external 3.5 enclosure to connecto int oa (mini pc ans make it a nas) haha sorry I know can be a weird solution ,

@jerryguizar7073 4 месяца назад

Will this combo fit in the silverstone cs382?

@Ao-4 4 месяца назад

It would but why would you need to go ITX when CS382 fits mATX?

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

What he said! Yes.

@BryceDearden 4 месяца назад

I think for Ryzen it’s pretty much always just motherboard dependent on whether or not ECC works

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

I wish I could trust it, but I found TWO official AMD sites that list this ryzen 7 SoC as supporting ECC and NOT supporting it. I.T is fun

@BryceDearden 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares I mean if it was easy it wouldn’t be fun right! (right?)

@Ao-4 4 месяца назад

That's what you'd think, but their CPUs and APUs that would actually be useful for a NAS never offer ECC straight up. Intel were scummy for using it for market segmentation, but AMD isn't really doing much better. Their desktop APUs require you buying PRO versions to get ECC. These are OEM parts only, pretty much never sold to consumers, or if they are, hella expensive. They're only fine offering it in CPUs that are bad for home server use case, and they are bad because chiplet design => high power idle. So, you can't really trust AMD to have ECC support blindly. They don't support ECC on any consumer parts "officially", so if these CPUs don't have it, they don't give a damn

@_cweb 4 месяца назад

I could not get my Kingston ECC memory to work in ECC mode. I enabled ECC in the BIOS and disabled PFEH, but no signs of it working in Linux. Also idle consumption with only 1 USB stick was 17W. 16W after enabling ASPM. For now I am not satisfied with this product, as I mainly bought it for its ECC support and presumably low power consumption.

@Ao-4 4 месяца назад

Unfortunately if you check AMDs full specification webpage, none of the Zen 4 mobile APUs have ECC support. 7735HS has it, but it's a rebranded 6800HS, which is Zen3+. I think AMD decided to act scummy here and deliberately excluded ECC support from the Zen4 lineup. Same thing they've done with their desktop APUs for consumers.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

I can confirm, that my ECC memory test was a failure!!!!

@Bauanga 4 месяца назад

What a bummer!

@hugevibez 4 месяца назад

@@Ao-4 7840HS PRO supports ECC memory, there are workstation laptops out there that require ECC memory. But yeah no NAS boards exist.

@BrianDickens4 4 месяца назад

AMD itself lists the Ryzen 7 7840HS as *not* supporting ECC memory.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Yep, that's the pain

@abzzeus 4 месяца назад

Board looked good for a replacement for my current TrueNAS system, but TWO things stand against it - no 10Gbit preferably SPF+ and Asmedia SATA on SFF-8643 connectors - I'd rather have a LSI chips driving those ports to handle high usage

@user-kg6uj6ji5p 4 месяца назад

this board have ecc support ?

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

TBC baby!

@Ao-4 4 месяца назад

Yes, but the CPU needs to as well.

@Nalianna 4 месяца назад

Interesting, interesting, INTERESTING, 7:30 x8 electrically? oh, it's trash.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Really, 4x8 and still has a couple of 4x4 m.2s and supports up to 9 SATA.....on an M-ITX! Come on mate, play fair!

@Nalianna 4 месяца назад

@@nascomparesStill struggling to pop these m.2 drives in sata ports. Any advice on how to? The only way that i know how to (without pcie bifurcation), is to use a highpoint controller card. That uses x16.

@hugevibez 4 месяца назад

@@Nalianna ASrockRACK ROMED4ID-2T if you need NVMe connectivity in ITX, there is no alternative but it has SlimSAS pcie not m.2. You shouldn't really use consumer-level NVMe drives in a NAS anyway, it's basically the equivalent of using SMR hard drives.

@DevilbyMoonlight 4 месяца назад

interesting if a bit pricy...

@sylvainalain6637 4 месяца назад

Nice shirt lol

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Thanks. It was not expensive...

@sylvainalain6637 4 месяца назад

@@nascompares it’s so funny , each time I hear a seagull in your videos , I’m waiting for your response

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MORE ATTENTION!!

@CristovamPeres 4 месяца назад

most annoying music i've ever heard in a youtube video

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Dude...magic roundabout..it's a many decade old, stone cold classic!

@AndreasA.S. 4 месяца назад

no ali express systems please.

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Unfortunately, Ali is still the main outlet for boards like this. Even the Topton and CWWK official sites are just AliExpress distribution of the same regard. Sadly, it takes months, sometimes a year+ for boards like these to become more generally available. It sucks, but it's true

@abb0tt 4 месяца назад

A lot of robust components on AliExpress. More for the rest of us. If you know, you know.

@Ao-4 4 месяца назад

Why? It's interesting content.

@not_authorized 3 месяца назад

Would it be a good decision to use the PCIe Gen 5×16 slot for 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C?

@marcogenovesi8570 4 месяца назад

when you get the ECC ram you need to check dmesg with dmesg | grep EDAC If the ECC is enabled you should see something like this (this example has 2x 16GB and 2x 8GB ECC RAM installed) [ 0.449223] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0 [ 50.316366] EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F17h_M10h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT) [ 50.316372] EDAC amd64: F17h_M10h detected (node 0). [ 50.316378] EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects: [ 50.316379] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 8192MB [ 50.316382] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 4096MB 3: 4096MB [ 50.316388] EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects: [ 50.316390] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 8192MB [ 50.316392] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 4096MB 3: 4096MB the EDAC subsystem is the linux kernel component that reads the error report from the ECC, and will enable only when ECC is detected

@nascompares 4 месяца назад

Genuine thanks for that man, really. Appreciated

@nascompares 3 месяца назад

Hi man. Just a heads up, I tried ECC and no luck! Gave you a name check (sorry if I pronounced it wrong) ru-vid.comWnu2FbMY7H4

@marcogenovesi8570 3 месяца назад

@@nascompares thanks for checking