Cyberpunk 2077 PC: What Does Ray Tracing Deliver... And Is It Worth It? 

I remember lighting up a box room with a teapot with simple bare minimum lighting and it taking almost an entire day... that was a bad computer lol. But games cheat a bit compared to 3D studio renderers.

When I was in college, 02-04, it took my home PC almost 3 days to render 2 1/2 minutes lmao. It was a pentium 4 @ 1.6 Ghz, don't remember the GPU tho

it isnt real ray tracing, but heavy approximation of it

@@RaskaTheFurry Is this a F E M B O Y ? 😏

@@RaskaTheFurry it is raytracing. Raytracing is shooting a bunch of rays everywhere to determine the light. It does use low samples and a lot of averaging to light up the scene but it still shoots them rays

It's only killing RT cores tho xd

@@kajmak64bit76 Radeon cards: "You guys are getting RT cores???"

Usually without RT you have to “put” in the lighting 💡, but here with RT lighting is a physics simulation which lights the scene automatically.

​@@kajmak64bit76 RT cores only calculate acceleration structure intersection. Shaders cores then utilize that data to do shading according to shaders devs wrote. If these shaders are complicated, your GPU shading domain will get a harder hit than RT cores will.

@@kajmak64bit76 If it was only the RT cores taking the hit, we would barely see an FPS difference. As that is never the case, RT cores are not the only components being taxed.

Lol😂

Now I've noticed he isn't even holding the gun. Immersion ruined lol

Whoever bullies that kid, they are dead lol

@@ZenataUSA lmao fr

I was looking for this exact comment and was gonna do the same lol

Making the bit at 8:20 all the more painful to watch! (Or do folks in NC get a rubberized butt-mod for that? Or is this an activity that NPC hapenns to, em ... enjoy?)

@@rather-reverend im sure they enjoy it.

They simulated late stage capitalism perfectly. Fuck you for not having a place to live. Free housing, food, water, which are y'know human rights? Bhaha, not under this economic system.

@@rather-reverend if you used your eyes you would see they don't sit on the rivets. =D

What's stupid about 8:45 is the benches are designed to prevent homeless from sleeping on them, but there is a larger, flat concrete surface elevated directly behind it that could be used

It seems that materials in the game do not reflect light like their real-world counterparts. Even though light direction is correct, reflections and diffusion look unnatural. For example at 6:33.

@@nenadvicentic Screen space reflections have a roughness cut off before they fall back to cube maps/reflection probes.

How long have you played doesn't matter, you make it sound like it's your special thing. You are just not great at observing.

To lend some credit to you, however, Cyberpunk with RT off is pretty darn good.

when you need somebody to EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, and tell you " hey, stop look closely and pay attention, here," YOU KNOW IS BULLSHIT. great game btw

That's what next-gen will be. There will be a sense of wonder at what you are doing, but you won't know why. I hope.

RLM , love em

Or, you didn't notice, but Digital Foundry did.

I honestly think in cyberpunk rtx is a big deal like its quite noticable

@@skootdiggity1301 lol ... when you zoom into the image 300%.... you can CLEARLY see the image on the left is better.

Probably in another 100 years.

@@Flaconomore28 maybe more like 10-20

20 years or so an then it may be possible for budget cards...

The power of the cloud will make it unecessary. EA will buy up all graphics card companies and force us all to play our games through a streaming service and charge us $100 an hour to play all your games with ray tracing turned on. CDPR will be owned by the chinese and only communist gamers who swear loyalty to the CCP will be permitted to log into the game (no more offline games exist anymore) and if you dont walk into certain directions or choose certain dialogue in game, then you lose points on your social credit score. Communism doesnt permit plsyers to "do anything" in open world sandbox environments. You either stick to the main quest only or you get booted from the server. Bethesda will not make open world titles anymore because modders made all future sequels to Elder Scrolls for them using an AI to program the game engines which never got updated with decent animations because the animator has blackmail footage of zenimax employees on epstein island and that is why animations never got updates. The antichrist will run all the tech companies to ensure innovation is held back and that SJWs get all the jobs instead of normies.

Definitely can't wait for that ray-traced lightning!!

im so dissapointed they dropped the redengine in my oppinion it looks better than unreal5

@@teodorcaraba979 Technical aspect of it.

@@teodorcaraba979 really? We haven’t seen a good comparison with lots of reflections in a city scape. Maybe there’s one with the matrix demo. I’ll have to go check it again. But UE5 has to be better in almost every way for them to adopt it. I’m sure their genius devs will work magic with it. I think it’s just about getting there without spending a million dev hours on a proprietary engine. And just think about the mod community. They’ll be that much better with UE5 being the English of the game world. I’m really excited about it. Just wish it was 10x faster instead of 2x.. would love to have 2077 Orion next year instead of an expansion that’ll add a few hours of gameplay.

@@damonm3 i watched wu kong trailers and harry potter and they looked kinda bad ngl

@@teodorcaraba979 That's not tied to the engine, The art direction of Cyberpunk is one thing that doesn't exist in many of the games in UE5 that are looking to exploit the "high graphics" market.

yeah fr lol

More preferences is good

Same! I'm a simple man.

Not worth the fps hit in my opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️

Careful, nvidia will send you an email banning you from life or something

Next-gen

Next gen premium experience

Cyberpunk 2077 is made for auto-aimers with 30 PREMIUM FPS doing macro-transactions for cut content giving out their personal data and that data is being exploited by publishers to inflate their scam and keep people in the loop. Welcome to the brave naive world. Developers of said naive world can't face the facts so they suppress, censor people. Outsource their dirty work to influencers which get high when they receive free merch. Free merch > free speech. Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation. Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent. As well Corporations [through governments] are harvesting our biometric data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves, and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician. CDPR is a corporation. Hardcore corporate defenders please check out "The Corporation", "Surveillance Capitalism", "The century of the self", "Stockholm syndrome", "Milgram Experiment" and "The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn't Want You to Know")

even cars get repainted/respawned

So... Is this a problem?

If one plays slow like walking speed still one doesn't see the difference? It's clear anyway that at night there are more outcomes that can be grabbed while during day usually it's hard to find places that do give something more.. at least it seems. in DL2 also day RT on gives goosebumps but it's a different game design.

It isn't, just some accept a lower bar for their standards.

I definitely notice it's off when I'm around mirrors and windows

You mean... Not at all?

@@epmcgee yeah RTX looks WAY ahead, not sure what OP was smoking. Esp with the reflections on water, sheesh. Not even close.

fucking reddit users using "op" in sentences

Not worth the preformance dip imo, it does make a difference all in all, especially in a game with a world like cyberpunk's. But the difference isnt worth the preformance:fideltiy ratio.

No they really haven't SSR has been complete trash and I'll be glad to see the tail-end of it. Always low resolution, always cutting off at the edges of the screen, only works from certain angles, bleh. It works well in very few titles and even there the limitations are frustrating. I want to say they're better than nothing, but in many cases they're not, like Resident Evil 2, where the image quality of the game is degraded unless you turn them off.

SSR is awful and grainy

@@Xbob42 you sound like a little kid bragging about it. Ofc they depend on how well devs implement them. Some are better & others are worse but that should be obvious 🤣

I've always hated it, tbh. It stuck out like a sore thumb and has broken my immersion so many times.

@@serialkillerx4746 A kid bragging about what? Your reply makes no sense at all. They don't "depend on how well devs implement them," they range from bad to barely passable. They're fucking terrible.

updates will be next gen only soon so well see how far they can push this engine before they switch to UE5

Thing is, for my standards CP 1.7 on ps4 with well tuned HDR settings it feels like playing a next gen game on current gen, especially at night with heavy rain

@@azerikashew8573 They said so 1 year ago lol

Graphics may be next gen. Everything else isn't. For example, shopping experience. Classic boring menus in Cyberpunk, literal intractive shops with animations for any product you scour in Red Dead Redemption 2. I'd argue RDR2 is an actual next gen game.

@@crylune The alternative of that is Star Citizen, flashy everything zero gameplay

@@MM80666 lmao

😂

@@MM80666 bravo

Welcome to the hall of pain.

but just like real life he fails to reach to the top and dies early :(

The same. I cannot pinpoint where RT is in effect (except reflections + glass material) when I play. But when I try to switch it off for fps comparison...omg...different game.

@Leia Saku I f you choose not to or cannot afford to play with RT, I respect that. That's why options on PC games are a godsend. But there are some that say "It's the same, I cannot see a difference". The game will be on sale (hopefully :D ) for many years. In 3-4years the RT cards will be capable and cheap. So, there is nothing stopping you from revisiting the game (if you like it of course) and replay with rt ;)

As an art student studying light and how it affects and behaves on different materials it really makes a huge difference, RTX is such a treat

@@Zanbatoss RTX is just Nvidia's branding. Saying RT is enough if you are referring to the lighting technique rather than the Nvidia GPUs.

@Leia Saku A 3080 is not just for cyberpunk you know.

65''+ OLED panel in glorious HDR gsynced 60fps psycho RT is what this game needs and deserves looks wise, namely LG CX

@Mohammedno need to dial down with 10900k+3090=4k psycho RT everything maxed out, performance DLSS 60+ frames. does need insane ram and OC everywhere, but perfectly doable.

@@maxsteeep Jesus man, how much did your setup cost?

I seriously just get distracted mid mission and drive around the city on a motor cycle. It's so surreal.

I shit my pants playing on a 3090 oled my ips is a glowstick now.

Yeah.. basically one playing at night should put RT on, when playing during the day off... So at night play slow and netrunning aduring day do stuff like shooting etc.

Most of the bad news is only for consoles and doesent affect PC. The game is actually very stable on PC if you have the hardware for it.

I'm in the same stance as you. I have a 3090 so I'm sure my opinion doesn't really matter but in all honesty. I'm happy I was a beta tester. Can't wait to replay once it's fixed.

Yup. A large majority of people are happy enough with the game, but the negative voices always seem louder than the positive. It's only a certain group of people who bought into the hype and believed CD Projekt's ambitious claims that were severely disappointed. The rest of us who weren't expecting the game to actually change our lives, drive us to work, make us breakfast and kiss us goodnight found it to be pretty enjoyable.

Comparing with what was promised games is a 3/10, taking the game just as it is its a 7/10.

There's an annoying hate train that surrounds this game launch. Mostly from people who expected a sandbox with GTA level of details. Which doesn't mean that the police and the AI, is acceptable, but it can be overlooked while waiting for patches

Yeah me too! They're super watchable!

Those comparisons that they show are so cool to see

By this point, they've made a 2 hour video on Cyberpunks graphics lol

same lol

😄

My thoughts exactly.

So? DF was always about cutting edge tech. And RT is exactly that.

That's one of the very bad consequences of this Nvidia mail stuff : from now any tech reviewer that says good thing about any of Nvidia's tech will seem suspicious for some.

@@Tezorus These guys were primary shilling offenders with their first look at the 3080 with no fps claiming double 2080 perf, BS. It was a Paid fucking infomercial... Paragons of integrity.

@@stephanhart9941 BS. They said very clear what is was and that you should look at other independent benchmarks. The also never claimed double performance across the board.

Bonk

AMD should join the movement to pathtracing as well. I mean lightning should be 100% done from the light sources and the materials of the objects rendered.

@@redguard128 yeah I totally agree with you I was just taking an easy jab at Nvidia for being assholes, still love their tech tho

Kiss the ring babe.

Came here for this

Noice

Dude has ass enhancements.

free buttplug

Isn't that called hostile architecture?

@@david.godlewski Yes, it's designed as a fuck you to homeless people. Indicative of fucked up societies that penalize the poor instead of helping them.

anti-skater, pro-anus consumable

came to say the same - credit where it's due, the developers clearly spent a lot of time making SSR, SSAO, cubes, volumetrics bring the city to life without true RT. It's impressive, and I'd argue that the infamous Limo Ride is not representative of that work generally - a little less global/diffuse lighting in that car and the difference would not be so extreme, many other scenes involving that character look much better. Glad to see ray tracing making such a noticeable difference, but I'm not unhappy in my rasterized night city either.

I agree 100%. The non ray-traced versions look great until they are side by side with the RTX scenes, then suddenly it looks flat. But the devs did a remarkable job here, you only miss Raytracing when you’re looking at it held against the traditional renderer

Same with MW

Agreed. Of course RT looks amazing and while I can run it with RT on the performance hit is massive and I found the increase in FPS with it off makes for a nicer experience. I can't really notice the difference in general game play either

Until you have played the game with RT and go back there's a noticeable difference but this topic is very subjective.

I press n at least once every 30 minutes, but it's usually when I'm trying to look at the map. I've only taken one photo with it so far, and that was when my bike followed me up an elevator shaft and arrived into the room in flames..

I literally want to become a streamer because of this game

nah i could give 2 shits less about a screenshot

I think it has more to do with the art direction. The design of the city is simply breathtaking.

‘N’ is for screenshots ?

Come on. The examples he used were pretty strikingly different. If you have a hard time telling the difference between them then I suggest a trip to the optometrist.

@@kristoferstoll587 agreed. But hey good for them, they can use outdated gpus for a long time lol

@@kristoferstoll587 I wouldn't call that "strikingly different", but yes, looking side by side you can see the difference, sometimes more, sometimes less. But in the game, when you are busy driving\shooting unning and stuff, honestly I am not sure it is much noticeable. After about 20 hours of gameplay I turned rtx off and immediately realised that those extra frames (from 60 to 80-100) are doing much better job at making gameplay enjoyable for me. And the lighting quality - well, after switching rtx off it kinda felt different for some 10 seconds or so lol, and then I just got used to it.

@@kristoferstoll587 But you have to find examples first. You have to know what to look for before you see it. It's not like you're playing with two views side by side.

Maybe NX Gamer but he's a one person team so can't put out as much as he wants. Still pretty consistent though.

@Congisto Marxista They are pushing Nvidia's narrative hence why they didn't focus on the politics.

They are Nvidias lapdog.

Cyberpunk 2077 is made for auto-aimers with 30 PREMIUM FPS doing macro-transactions for cut content giving out their personal data and that data is being exploited by publishers to inflate their scam and keep people in the loop. Welcome to the brave naive world. Developers of said naive world can't face the facts so they suppress, censor people. Outsource their dirty work to influencers which get high when they receive free merch. Free merch > free speech. Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation. Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent. As well Corporations [through governments] are harvesting our biometric data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves, and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician. CDPR is a corporation. Hardcore corporate defenders please check out "The Corporation", "Surveillance Capitalism", "The century of the self", "Stockholm syndrome", "Milgram Experiment" and "The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn't Want You to Know")

@Congisto Marxista Or they are the only ones not jumping on the hate train to produce 2 Clickbait videos a day but instead give us professional videos about the tec used in a game.

Jes without raytacing in real-time, it will be future but in future as Blender free for everyone is using RTX for almost 10 years and you still need a web of computers rendering scene. This is a compromise with fake colors still in 2020, they could do that for sure and A.I. could be actually smart but it's not even on level with funny game Gravity Rush 2 with almost live NPC's RTX is still a future and good way fo improvement in games and it is ad to something else, question is what is new and ground breaking new technology

Still it's looks fake, colors are fake I sow better on PS4 this colors are cartoon level

@@igorbeuk6298 Alt+z to open nvidia control panel. You can add color filters on the fly and make it look exactly how you want.

It's really a good game. Just released early.

@Tronam You should see the video where they compare the AI to GTA 5. A game from two generations ago has a better designed and developed open world.

@@mvp4lithuania Dexter DeShawn

@@mvp4lithuania The guy at 22:05. Dexter DeShawn. He is a fixer in the game.

@@mvp4lithuania Dextromethorphan of course. It's instrumental to experiencing a generational leap in visuals. /s

@@swosho robotripping in Night City is a common thing to be doing in the year 2077

That's because they freeze the frame when RT off is at its brightest and looking the worst it does in that sequence. Earlier on with RT off it looks darker and better most of the time. Maybe RT on never looks that bad but it overall isn't a good representation of just RT off and RT on.

Without graphics it has nothing to offer

@@user-ye7lp9lg1c stfu i finished the game with an 1050 ti on the launch week. Even with bugs and stuff it was beautiful

@@danielmoraes743 my sincere condolences for your suffering

@@user-ye7lp9lg1chow are you still salty

@@danielmoraes743 720p? i tried to play on 1050ti - but decided to buy at least rx580 for 1080.

I guess, one could say, you’re finally seeing the light.

Minecraft

if i saw him i would boot him into next week

The kid at 6:15 with the Terminator eyes walking around with a handgun too - at least he’s got a grip on it like he’s trying to preserve finger prints from a crime scene rather than finger on the trigger, but it’s still pretty funny to see.

@@broncosbroncos5489 Bro wtf 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

game wouldn't be released then or would have even more bugs

So the nvidia raytracing extension has a very detailed build system for world geometry, called an acceleration structure. It looks like they trace against the previous frame's acceleration structure, so it can be built completely asynchronously to the rest of the rasterized rendering, otherwise some of the rendering may stall, slowing fps. I noticed this from a few graphics artifacts: reflection tearing noticeable in elevators, and refractive, uhh, smearing, of the car antennae when driving fast. There's probably another effect they're using that contributes to these, but I'm not certain. Anyways, if they always included your spazzy characters in reflections, it would be a bit weird(er).

It absolutely doesn't for the moment to moment gameplay. You arent scrutinizing the shadows on a bench when exploring an environment. The gameplay keeps your focus if it's a good game. As opposed to an art piece where detail really matters.

@@campbell412 It does. The feel of the game also covers the feel of the world/environment so playing with RT does boost ur impressiveness in the game a lot.

@@campbell412 Grafix dont matter if the gameplay is gud!!!

The de-noising looks weird, even with ray reconstruction. Even though I can run RT I prefer the look of raster for this reason alone.

Go to a church you heathen god is calling lol

ifkr lmao

Bulldozzzr lmaooo

same here... cinematic, but annoying and accident friendly

Lens flare !

Yes, spiderman rt reflection looks much better

@@WTFWHATara Spiderman only has RT reflections. Everything is optimized around that. This game is optimized around RT lighting, RT shadows, and RT reflections. If you do too much with RT it'll be pointless cause even modern graphics cards can't handle that. Edit: Not saying anything bad about SM:MM but can't really compare the two until PS5 has a game that is using as many RT effects at once like this.

just like cars getting replacd by other models when you look away , same happens with npcs and it is very noticeble

@@manuelmunguia616 i think it is kinda game breaking in a way

Here is the catch 22 with RT: the higher the resolution the better RT components look

@@sev2300 Isn't really a catch. I run it on 1440p with DLSS and obviously no mortal computer can run it on native 4K with Raytracing. Fact is I don't even see the difference between the resolutions as I'm sitting 2 meters from my LG OLED TV, so yeah, the game looks breathtaking and Raytracing is decisive for that.

@Bullock im talking bout internal resolution for RT lighting and reflections

L

@@drchtct u really cannot see the difference? U kidding..this game looks pretty blurry at low res and by low i mean 1440p and 1080p

not unintentional, loads of kids play with guns in the game, but looks dodge haha

I miss the 90s

We might never experience those amazing leaps again but man it's all exciting :D

@@leonxjaws182 is an action adventure game, not an rpg.

The issue with Ray tracing is how much processing power is required to enable it. The hit on fps is major in comparison to the subtle increase in visuals. At this moment Ray tracing requires too much processing power to be worth it. I'd rather a steady 60fps (would most prefer 90 or above) without Ray tracing than 30 fps with it

@@guidorussoheck2100 no man it's a rpg you role play as a created character

Man I play It inna GTX 1080 and its hands down the best lighting Ive seen inna game.

Waop. That’s you banned by nVidia.

Metro

It's actually one of the worst. What are you smoking ?

@@gabrielst527 If you playing in base PS4 maybe, If not go search for help, something is wrong, either with your game or with you.

Agreed, even on medium settings with no RT I was blown away. Incredibly immersive visuals, and light plays a big part in that.

Yeah just going around the city is sometimes breathtaking. I boot up the game after not playing for a day and I am quickly reminded how grand the city looks with RT on... truly next gen... Even RDR2 doesn't do graphics so well!

@@SnakeHelah rdr 2 is open field. Lod is nowhere near of cyberpunk

@@SnakeHelah also the grass sucks.. Its looks like oubg mobile grass blacked out below screen to hide those grass lll

Character models (for main characters anyway) and the city are amazing to look at. But I feel like the visuals in the story missions don't fully cohere - a mix of cutting edge and stuff that looks decidedly older. Feels like playing two different games sometimes.

Maybe with Raytracing its gorgeous but without it looks pretty disappointing.

@Mohammed dunno this game is allready massive on the best GPUs available, sure theres room for optimization, but I doubt it get much better in the next 2 years

GTA 6

Red Dead blows this away lol. R u kidding? The faces in this game don't even compare.

@@pwd1134 The lighting, reflections, character models are leagues better than RDR2 shut up kid haha

@Mohammed I say quite some time because the only ones to actually take the crown back is Rockstar in GTA VI. But don't expect GTA VI anytime soon: 2023-2024.

Right now the main appeal of RT reflections in Cyberpunk is that they're not grainy like SSR.

I feel like RT Lighting and Reflections are better for open world games like these. Cause you don't spend much time looking at characters so it doesn't really matter if they have proper shadows or not. But in games where you spend a lot of time up close and personal with characters benefit from RT shadows. Meanwhile I think RT reflections are great for open world games like these. The reflections look nice off of your car, river/ocean, puddles, and building windows imo. If you could turn RT shadows only on for cutscene moments and RT shadows off for the open world automatically that'll be cool. It'll be cool if they can modify RT effects that freely.

Yessir, I agree. Sometimes things can look over reflective , like looking at mercury

I think that's more a function of the developer. I think they went a little overboard on the reflective surfaces in CP2077, but then again, that's sort of the aesthetic they went for I guess.

@@nicobenji0248 How can you not spend a lot of time up close with characters in CP2077, when there are literally tens of hours of plot/quest dialogue?

but you would 'feel' it when you play

@@nothingOr01010101 yeah you'll feel that hot 24FPS Cinematic action on your silly expensive rig just cause you turned on RTX Reflections lol. It's not worth the performance hit.

​@@nothingOr01010101so, I finally got Cyberpunk because I got a computer that can run it completely maxed out. I can definitely "feel" the path tracing. I know this video came out before path tracing, but man, that is such a massive difference even beyond the basic RT it had before. The feeling of the atmosphere in any scene is much more palpable and tangible. It's hard to explain without someone toggling the settings and seeing it. I think Misty's shop and the ripperdoc shop are the easiest ones to see the difference when it's toggled.

Because some bad executives and managers decided to kill their company by rushing the game. I mean, almost no one would be mad in consoles with the really downgraded experience from PC, if the game was playable in some form.

Because this is a video on the PC version

different teams and prioritizations. The media team had plenty of time to create nice ads you see in the game world, create good looking models for cars and items, and make a banger soundtrack. On the other hand, you have the more technical aspects of realizing the story, programming behaviors of characters, physique, gameplay, and such. From the rumors it seems like game features, gameplay, and story have been changing a lot up even until shortly before the release, meaning that the features which are a mess now are such because they have been remade multiple times probably because of decisions by higher-ups changed. If somebody made a really detailed model of a car 3 years ago then that is done. It looks perfect and won't be changed.

Because it`s a very detailed ambitious game but not finished.

@@OxKing this. It really is. I got the official strategy from piggyback. Doing my first playthrough for fun and making my own decisions but holy smoke- looking back in the guide, i haven't realised how many ways you can tackle missions! It's a lot more open ended than i realised actually...

It’s not perfect, but if you come from a photography background and movie lighting background, this is finally a step in the right direction. I agree on the water reflections point. It’s their settings there. There should be subsurface diffusion and scattering on those water effects that interacts with the reflections. But that scene in the car with Dex is lit properly on RT. If they developed the entire game around RT, they would’ve added some extra fill lighting inside the car for that scene, using some more interior practical car lights or some more bouncy bright materials to bounce extra window light back onto dex for fill lighting.

Yes, it's not worth sacrificing the fps especially when you dip way below 60 fps.

Stadis is running the PC version, so if your Internet is top-notch, it will be very good.

@@neilwilson5785 I am running it on Stadia doesn't have Ray tracing features. That's why I'm waiting for the PS5 upgrade since I got the PS4 version for $25

@@neilwilson5785 Actually, on Stadia you won't have the RTX effects, but on GeForce NOW you'll have them. So in this case I would recommend GeForce NOW over Stadia.

How far does your gpu go on this game with rtx? Like how much fps you get?

@@saifulmulk5492 Desert area hangs around 80, general city is around 50-60, and some parts of city drop to 40. Sometimes after a long play session or after a mission, the frame rate just tanks and sticks around 20-30, and i need to restart the game. At 1080p with DLSS quality.

@@Alcatraz760 I've heard about this issue that sucks

@Spectrea do you think RT is good trade off

@@Alcatraz760 game isn't very optimized on PC either

Playing GTA 5 high awww ... some of my best days EVER come from such expiriences ;). The other day we got a visit from Molly and my friends starts playing GTA and oh my god this was so funny ;). AH good ol' times!

@cesar leon nah i prefer RT. If want to play GTA i'd open GTA

@cesar leon rt is less work than hundreds of area and point lights. An artist placing lighting in a scene is a different thing to programming ai. Doubt artist budget for rt had any impact on the programmers ai.

@yugi yugi except that watch dogs (all 3 of them) are garbage games.

@cesar leon Or why not both? Because it's AI and other criticized issues are more likely gonna be fixed with future patches anyway or if not then Mods should be able to do the job.

@yugi yugi I genuinely think that the AI in GTA are not good as well and feels very generic that it isn't even worth praising for, just like Cyberpunk 2077, in fact i think that most open world games today has terrible NPC AIs in general and i haven't seen one that has an actual good one and the game you mentioned isn't one of them, another mediocre game that has lifeless world design around it. Cyberpunk 2077 is so much better in many aspects.

with dlss? anything is possible ;)

My new Sound Blaster card will allow me to hear people actually talking. If I can allocate enough RAM to make it work.

It can, and will.

@@blitzwing1 12Mb vram? Calm down, let's just enjoy our 4Mb 3dfx ok?

You know that the SNES can do RT (assisted) right? And I'm not jocking, it's real and there is a demo here on YT.

Sure, build yourself a hardware mathematical circuit for all the computing needed for ray tracing. I mean anyone can do that.

you do know that all that stuff used to take WEEKS to render in animation movies?

@@ppsarrakis You do know we are talking here about a video game right? Those frames better come at 60 every second or your software is not optimised.

@@MadDeuceJuice or maybe its a Crysis situation and we will play this great maxed out in a few years. also you can turn off RTX and get 80-100fps.

@@ppsarrakis Both Crysis and this game are poorly optimised. If you want an example of good software engineering look no further than doom. There's a game that looks great and can virtually run on any low-end PC at 60fps. Stop making excuses for poor optimisation.

26 games support raytracing, yet Digital Foundry spends 50%+ of time and videos on it.. and calls it gamechanging. It's becoming annoying

@@mkreku So you don’t think that ray tracing adds a layer of realism to the game?

@@Chopper153 not until AMD does it, then it is the greatest thing in the world, until then it is a gimmick and not needed and only rasterization matters with native graphics only, that is only until AMD does it.

@@Mosamania What has AMD to do with this? 6000 series already support ray tracing, infact AMD is working hard to catch up with Nvidia in rt and dlss. Ray tracing is superior to ssr, doesn't matter what AMD or Nvida wants.

@@Chopper153 I was just taking a jab at AMD fanboys. A malignant bunch.

What settings do you use and what fps are you getting? Cheers.

You must be new to gaming

@@stephonhines6554 Or he just bought graphic card that supports RT? Not everyone changes hardware every year you know...

Facts

Does everyone have red cyborg eyes or is that a bug?

This is the kind of ass kissing you do when you want to MAKE SURE you get a founders edition GPU.

Sounds more like you love sucking on the hivemind hatetrain koolaid

@Keelan Paid Infomercials. Screams Integrity!

@@evolicious who wouldn't when you made a scam generation of cards with a tech that's not ready at all for current hardware (we are still far off from real raytracing) and tax users a lot more (2000 series cards) honestly the only good part of all of this is that AMD made them make DLSS 2.0 (since their CAS completely destroyed the 1.X versions and made them copy paste it on their drivers since it's open source)

I dont think we need to worry too much about the cost. More like treating employees better when game company CEOs are buying their 7th, 8th, and 9th private yachts...

The trouble is that they have to do both just now to cater to a range of hardware, even if they only release on PC. Maybe in the next next gen...

development costs will drop, but retail price will certainly not.

That's a good question actually. On one side you could think that it will remove the need of creating specific point or area lighting, placing and tweaking reflection probs, removing the need for lightmap calculation and tweaking, ect... But on another side the fact that colors bleeds accurately for example means that you need to be more careful with the overall color placing in you environment. Same goes with emissive and reflective materials to avoid a laser/reflection circus. At the end i think it will balanced but some actual technics will disappears for sure beeing replaced by new one. I would have more question about the implementation of AI in the correction/fixing steps of the dev tbh.

IMO there will always be that 'extra premium super' thing you can achieve by throwing an uncomprehensive amount of raw manpower and talent. There will always be a gap and always be an AAA title. It might be bigger world, more detailed storytelling, more content or better graphics, or everything at once. But it will always be there.

Given what kind of Nvidia fanboys DF are, they're doing this willingly, just give them free cards and they're happy to throw their integrity out the window.

Or you guys refuse to believe that Nvidia truly deserve some appreciation for their push in RT technology and their performance solution with DLSS. They have terrible PR , but the tech is undeniable.

@@snakeace0 I like the current NVIDIA products and their drive in new solutions but that does not hinder me, to make a funny joke about the current situation.

i honestly doubt people notice the visuals irl much on a day to day basis either. The immersion just changes , but subtly.

when rtx becomes standard games will be easier to make, games will get better with the time

Or, because games are getting more expensive to make and increasingly riddled with MTC, publishers will just lay off half of a studio's lighting team.

@@2drealms196 if that happened, most of those funds would go to developers or 3D artists, the studios would not lose the opportunity to make their games better at no extra cost, at most they would use some of it to increase profit margins a bit, but I would at least expect good studios like arkane, from software, I'd software, cdpr, santa monica and others to just reinvest that money on making better games

also, EA studios are probably fucked

last generation I remember when people said PBR, volumetrics, tessellation and ambient occlusion would never be mainstream because they use too much power. they also said the same thing about how volumetrics "don't look that good and use too much performance!" yet nowadays every single game has some kind of implementation of each. raytracing will go through the same process and nobody will remember the stupid fights pc gamers go into because of it in a couple of years. I remember when people said strand based hair like hairworks was stupid and expensive yet nowadays we are seeing it implemented in games and so optimized it's actually pretty cheap to use. people who reject raytracing is blind

Editing mistake

Yup

Quite telling that even the guys who are making the video can't tell with certainty if it was on or off..

@@mkreku no it’s not telling of anything other someone accidentally swapped on for off... you can see a massive difference throughout this entire video, what exactly do you have against RT Editing mistakes happen, I’ve made graphical mods for games and accidentally messed up the editing, it doesn’t mean I didn’t think my work had any impact it means I made a mistake editing, like shut up dude

@@juliet4093 I have nothing against the technology per se, but I do think Digital Foundry spends way too much time on it seeing as how it affects 26 games so far. And when I say affects, it's nuances at most, yet Digital Foundry calls it "game changing". That irks me. I have personally never played a game that even had ray tracing available, that's how common it is (so far). In a few years, I'm sure it'll be more interesting, but as of right now I think they could concentrate on more interesting things. Also, it's not like games haven't had reflections, shadows and light sources before ray tracing. The argument seems to be that it's more realistic with ray tracing, but is that really better? I wouldn't bet on realistic being better than a light artists take on a scene in a game. Therefore most of raytracing just makes things different, not inherently better. Is that really worth 50% of your fps? In my case, no.

yeah, but the density and SH level needed to properly reflect this is beyond any systems capabilities for quite a while ;)

@@51Daedalus is it wrong that I'm picturing both of you with neckbeards and sounding like comic book guy from Simpsons?

@@Beast-mf7br Yeah. Nothing wrong with two people discussing a topic they're familiar with. The people that like to put people on blast like this are usually insecure and don't have real friends, just saying.

@@sinnohen are you actually trying to white night a perfectly harmless joke? man you must be the life of the party eh? should I apologize to the neckbearded community now Mr. snowflake? smh

@@Beast-mf7br Nah. It was just weird seeing a comment like that on a DF video. It would be like going to Comic-Con and calling everyone there "nerds" to be a dick.

Same with cars.

And police if you get a wanted level.

@@Ztygs most annoying thing about this game imo haha

@@crateer yea it's kinda bullshit tbh. I think GTA 5 does it much better.

That's a fair take. 30%+ performance hit is a big sacrifice

My 2060 drops when I enable the RTX On so I prefer the performance over the RTX in this case

It's never going to be 30%. But i mean ultimately who cares? Playing at DLSS Quality 1440p output (960p internal) and at 82fps vs. 1440p native and 144fps (note: artificial example, just playing with numbers) means you have sacrificed 75% of performance nominally, but did you need all that to begin with?

The prebaked interpolation in BOTW is pretty great. It does it on a toaster, no less. I would say artistic direction is more important than raytracing unless you’re going for photorealism.

@@willis936 what is prebaked in botw?

I'm making a VR game and due to vast landscape and dynamic day/night cycle I can't use baked lightning. I can cram landscape, cascaded shadowmap dynamic lightning and atmosphere in 5-7ms on RTX 2060. But if I enable ray-tracing it eats my entire budget of 11ms. I can add it to my game no problem, but I think only people with future RTX 4080 Ti would be able to play in VR with it. Or I'll have to dramatically simplify all visual aspects of my game to make space for ray-tracing. Basically this stuff is great and definitely the future, but VR is also the future (and far more important!) and ray-tracing is still too expensive for VR.

Raytracing will really shine once the artifacts of standard rasterization are done away with. But achieving that kind of a level of performance at playable framrates will require future generations of hardware. I'm excited to be living in this age of PC gaming.

Wouldn't say it's a must cause most people don't have devices that can handle this yet.

nice

Give this guy all the awards. Damn.

(Hi, annoying nitpicker here. That is not a closed caption. It's simply a title. Captions are transcriptions of dialogue and audio effects, intended for deaf people. Captions can be either open or closed - closed captions can be turned on or off by the viewer, open captions are part of the video and always visible, but in either case, the previous definition of what captions are applies. They're different from subtitles, which are meant for people with no hearing impairment to make it easier for them to understand what's being said, and from titles, which provide some additional information to all viewers. Sorry for being an annoying nitpicker, I just thought it might be of some interest.)

@@Case_ damn give this guy the rewards instead.

i was looking for someone who've noticed too :)

Because you cannot showcase that without HDR screens

HDR is pretty much the norms now almost every AAA game use it

There is no easy way for them to show HDR to people who have no HDR display. Even those who have an HDR display would experience the video differently because it would be captured using settings that are different to the display that the video is being watched on. And they've already said in the past that recording and producing an HDR video is a time consuming and finicky process that is almost never worth the effort that goes into it.

HDR is still the more impressive feature out of the two, and is the REAL game changer. Ray tracing does make the environment look better, but not by much. Slightly so. HDR on vs HDR off though is massive.

@@donproduction6248 Yea except cyberpunk uses fake HDR. Watch Vincent's video over at HDTV test.

Yes, I noticed the exact same thing . At first, enabling rt provided me a subtle difference in the environment, but a major difference in the reflection in puddles, on road during rain. But now, that my brain has accepted the rt settings, if I try to switch it off, the world just seems lifeless and artificial. Ray Tracing is expensive, but it is totally worth it.

@@techtunnel402 Exactly... completely lifeless... the difference between simulation and real world stuff!

@@kennethdavidson6508 In terms of reflections, it is very apparent. In terms of shadows? Not so much. I honestly can't tell the difference between DLSS Quality/Off on my 1080p Laptop Display. However, going any further down definitely becomes obvious. I play on a RTX 2060 with DLSS at Quality and fps hovers around 50, with RT Medium and other settings at High. I like the way it looks and feels. But, if you don't like DLSS, there's a lot of struggle for you man to get stable fps, this game's so heavy.

What graphics card are you using ?

@@Bossix84 2080ti dude

I only saw it on my PC when i killed my internet by upping to 1440.

*cries in 480p*

I strongly disagree. To me it makes a world of difference.

@@ulrikfriberg8995 it's targeted for sheep audience