DLSS 3.5 - Better Pathtracing for Free 

DF made already an excellent video about Alan Wake 2

@@2kliksphilip Alan Wake 2 actually has ray tracing always enabled. If you turn off all the RT settings in the menus, the game will switch to software ray tracing.

great thought, reminds me of Control

@@pixelvahl thats crazy

@@8304u it's basically the same as unreal engine 5's lumen tech.

If it helps, at least you know AMD will keep providing your aging hardware with fresh coats of paint, like with AMD's FSR. Nvidia ditching hardware older than their previous generation is whats going to keep me from using them in the future. Not everybody buys a new GPU every two years, Nvidea...

And not only that, but amd tech works on nvidia gpus

It's fine, only the 4090 or the 3090/4080 can really do this stuff anyway. At lower resolutions, ray tracing is really annoying with garbled artifacts. It's really going to take until the PS6 era of consoles where the mainstream GPU's can handle these workloads that it'll be standardized. So as it stands, its a nice little gimmick for 4090 owners. Not very representative of the remaining 95% of the user-base.

Thats what nvidia wants you to think. FOMO as marketing. I am on my 3060 with dlss2 and let me tell you. I don't use it at all. only game I felt I needed Upscaling was Starfield. and boy FSR in that game implemented brilliantly. no artifacts at 1080p!

Always with the same, waiting for AMD to catch up and release their worse version of something that Nvidia released one or two years before... AMD has to develop their tech and try to compete, but with this mediocre mentality they will never compete, numbers speak for themselves.

Didn't take you for such a pedant considering your own videos' quality.

​@@MegaAdeny💀

DLSS 3.5 is a version of the dlss suite that includes all the dlss features, so there's a 3.5 version of the upscaling, a 3.5 version of the FG, and RR was introduced in 3.5. Some cards can't use all these features, but they're still using DLSS 3.5 even if they're just using the upscaling. It's Nvidia's fault that they made it so confusing by conflating the version numbers with the features.

im surprised he got it wrong, not enough research on his end

THIS!

Well, this one is a paid promotion. So, chances are he's only showing the good aspects of Nvidia tech

They put a lot of work implementing RT properly in AW2, even without RR RT looks really good

@@TerraWare I mean with RT Off in settings it still uses software RT.

@@x0Fang0x Right, they do

Yeah, Alan Wake 2 is not just using pathtracing. Even with 'RT Off" it's still using a software based path tracing model along with mesh shaders (primiitives) so it's always pretty heavy (especially for GPUs that don't support mesh shaders). That said, this is an Apples to Oranges comparison. Cyberpunk is a much faster paced game with far more active and demanding gameplay scenes than anything in Alan Wake 2. It's also an open world game with much longer draw distances.

Really hope he does, and it seems likely after all his ray-tracing videos.

This is very exciting...... for filthy rich gamers

@@JVCA44 Why i'm skipping the 2000,3000,4000 and coming series until the tech is refined.

@@Grandmaster-Kushthe tech will never be refined for normal people. The 2060 super, 3060 and 4060 all perform the same. Nvidia has a hard performance target for what customers will receive for $300, and it’ll never be good enough to path trace. And if the 4060ti and 3060ti being the same thing is indicative of a trend, by the time path tracing is accessible only 80 class gpus will be able to do anyways, at probably a $2000 cost, as the lower end gpus will be stuck at a specific performance target.

Photorealistic games ? sorry but RayTracing is bullshit and it is kinda stupid if lightning and reflection cost you 200% of your normal Performance. Photorealistic can be done already and without RayTracing, the best will be if AMD and Nvidia and Intel will go the RayTracing card as extra and not implement it in to the GPU. So gpu's will be WAY cheaper and people can chose if they want to be the beta testers for this tech 20 or 30 years too late because RayTracing is a old tech in reality.

Companies are not going to let go of 1080p anytime soon.. They are going to keep handicapping performance on **60 series/AMD equivalent cards to make them a '1080p beast' but not anything special for 1440p because it would be quite a loss for them as cheaper cards providing adequate performance at higher resolutions will drastically take away sales from higher end/priced cards.. So regardless, The 5060 will still be marketed for 1080p gaming/workloads whereas it should be able to run 1440p easily.. Edit : I absolutely want this to age badly and be proven wrong..

Cyberpunk 2077 has better art direction than Crysis by a lot.

Wow that sounds infuriating. I can't see any visual snow no matter how hard I try to look for or notice it even in the most extreme cases. its almost completely imperceptible even when I wake up in the middle of the night in a pitch dark room and try to look out at the night sky and stars at night. and after just a minute i can't notice even the most miniscule insignificant amount of "visual snow" at all anymore. It just looks like black hole void of nothing when i close my eyes in a dark room

​@@overdarkproductionnope. Ray Reconstruction adds a fuckton of ghosting. Besides, TAA turns off when DLSS is on anyway since DLSS replaces the AA implementation. Having said that, it also makes rainy night look completely pristine. That's where it really shines.

@@overdarkproduction When you turn on dlss, taa is being replaced by dlaa.

oh, Kena definitely. it already looks good without RT and now imaging it with path tracing would be awesome.

Omg yes Kena is such a great game with great colours

Which laptop did you buy?

How hot does it run lol, I last had a 1660ti laptop an that bastard would hit 80s after 20 minutes of gameplay.

​@@keatonwastakenmore powerful gpu generates less heat when doing the same thing compared to old gpus, 40 series is actually much better on power efficiency, albeit not much improvement on performance compared to the 30 series.

@@ausar567 Applies to laptops too? Damn didn't know that. Legit got a smaller case and twin fan edition for my 4070, yet it never hits over 50 degrees. If laptops have reached a similar point, thats good news!

​@@keatonwastakenefficiency is always most impactful in laptops! Thats where you're capped by heat and power the most.

Well, he said at the start it’s paid promotion for nVidia.

Can you post the link to him asking for a RTX 40?

@@Stef3m He didn't ask for an RTX 40 - he just said (on the mod's official page on PCGamingWiki, not sure if I can post links on RU-vid) that if he had an RTX 40 card available he'd feel obligated to try adding ray reconstruction, but since he doesn't it's not something worth investigating.

@@KillahMate Can you provide the link? I guess is time to send him a 4090, I know his name and the address of Remedy is easy to find

Why he needs 4000 series for it? 3.5 and RR is supported on all RTX cards. Unless he is speaking about Frame Generation only.

@@Stef3m I'm sorry, I literally can't - RU-vid seems to be deleting all of my attempts to reply. But it's filoppi's HDR Patch on the PC Gaming Wiki - he talks about this on page 10 of the comments there. Please don't send anything without letting them know first!

Yes, you are the only one!

Yes. I don’t care about graphics because every time I play a new game I get bored and play donkey kong country instead.

The hate is targeted at the corporate part of nvidia. Their engineers are and always were heroes.

If it wasn't for corporate they would not greenlight the R&D cost assosiated with developing Tensor cores + supporting software. I give full props to Nvidia for pushing this tech. And taking the risks needed (because financially they surely can) And for AMD to make a public good instead of proprietary @@TheAlienpope

@@TheAlienpope But people always criticize nvidia as a single entity

@@mirukuteea yeah. Main reason to why is probably because "I hate the leadership, market department and the corporate Nvidia!" doesn't really roll of the tongue as easily lol

@@TheAlienpope tell that to the people who literally crucifies Nvidia as one and hatred with all of their thing

not sure but it might be Nvidia ICAT

it does not work for example you get freezes also RD2 does not allow it as it reinstall the old dll

Take a closer look at that snout!

@@2kliksphilip so I went back and looked, Nvidia only stated they were still working on ai denoising when turning was announced, that was my confusion, I seem to remember them making a bigger deal about it than I could find. This whole time I've thought that's what their intended purpose was and that dlss was just an added bonus because they were already there, if the cuda cores are having to do both raster and denoise that would certainly explain the additional burden of 'rtx on' on turning, among others obviously. Thank you for your response, I recently found you and will definitely stick around, any content creator who inspires me to assign myself homework is certainly worth their weight in salt, and you play counterstrike, a game I started on around 1.4/1.5, so you also have good taste

Kiroshi needs a new model!

No. NVIDIA really fucked up when they named frame generation and ray reconstruction because DLSS 3 and DLSS 3.5 both incorporate DLSS 2. DLSS 3 is upscaling (DLSS 2) + frame generation, DLSS 3.5 is upscaling + ray reconstruction + _optional_ frame generation. If you're on a 20 or 30 series card and aren't using raytracing then DLSS 3.5 is functionally identical to DLSS 2, because you're only using the DLSS 2 component of DLSS 3.5.

@@jcm2606Who came up with this naming it's terrible

Native resolution is an outdated concept, DLSS literally looks better. Best experience with CP2077 is DLSS (Quality for 1080p, Balanced for 1440p, and Performance for 4K) with frame generation ON, Ray Reconstruction ON, and path tracing ON. You have to use every single piece of tech it has, the results are surreal, like peeking into the future of real-time rendering.

We really did go full circle.

Not in cyberpunk for some reason, literally everything has beautiful reflections with path tracing on EXCEPT the mirrors you can customize your character at which I thought was pretty funny.

Some games show how good ray tracing can be if the game is developed/uodated to only use ray tracing as its lighting solution. (Metro Exodus ED, Cyberpunk with overdrive)

@@2kliksphilip yes exactly

Performance. To get that same lighting under raytracing you'd need three separate passes: raytraced ambient occlusion, raytraced global illumination, raytraced area lighting. You _could_ do it all under global illumination but to do so you'd need to let rays travel an "unlimited" distance (at least until they escape the scene and head into the sky) to be able to do sky lighting and you'd need to have some form of next event estimation to directly sample area lights, both of which are inching your global illumination pass closer to path tracing without the other benefits of path tracing. On the flip side, path tracing is able to naturally produce this lighting since it combines ambient occlusion, global illumination and area lighting into a single, more efficient pass. Funnily enough this is the reason why path tracing is even a thing, it's an optimisation for classic recursive raytracing.

Because it is called 3.5, i thought nvidia just didnt care about older rtx cards, but im really happy that this improvement inn all raytracing is coming to all cards

Just Install the infinity money mod

there is a slider to go from 0 to 1 with increments of .05 i think

the one dealbreaker for me is the fact that AMD will never support this kind of stuff which means i cant use it :P

@@CPSPD fair point lmao

@@Rem_NL Yeah the sharpness slider really doesn't fix it.

Yeh its the Ray Regeneration that causes it, gives better texture quality and a more stable picture, but distant less lit objects smear. Only thing that would help is setting ray's to 1 and bounces to 3 or 4 and increase the base resolution. At 4k base i can do with 2 rays 2 bounces and it looks ok for most part. @@vSoulreaver

Yep Nvidia was terrible about their naming scheme. DLSS 3 is not DLSS 3.5 and neither are DLSS 2. 3.5 is Ray Reconstruction, 3 is Frame Generation, 2 is Upscaling.

@@2kliksphilip That is genuinely excellent, the naming scheme is frankly bonkers, but I'm always glad to be able to play around with new tech, especially when it wasn't expected.

yes