D&D: Why 6 Ability Scores? 

I'm really glad you appreciated that! It's just a little theory I came up with, so like I said, I can't prove it, but I think it makes sense. Back in the day, I got most of the TSR RPGs. The main ones I missed were Gang Busters, Dawn Patrol, and the later Indiana Jones and Conan Games. I'll have to do a video on all of the ones I do have soon. Thank you for watching, commenting, and for subscribing! I hope you find other videos on my channel that you like. Cheers!

Thank you very much! I appreciate it. I also added that section as a "chapter so folks could skip it, although since it's at the end now, I guess people could just stop watching at that point if they choose. Glad you enjoyed the rest of the video!

I spent so much time creating heroes for MSHRPG and then drawing them using my "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" book! Such a fun game. And yes, while I was flipping through Boot Hill, I began thinking how much fun it would be to run a one-shot for that. I played a Savage Worlds Deadlands game not too long ago and it was a blast. Thank you for watching and commenting!

​@@daddyrolleda1the only bad side of mshrpg was the lack of character advancement later fixed

Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it! Totally agree with you about Charisma - henchmen, hirelings, retainers, etc. were all critical to success in the early days of dungeon and wilderness exploration, and Charisma had a huge impact on that, as you mention! More modern versions of the game have hewed closer to video games, I think with a smaller core group of players who all start out as "heroes" rather than adventurers. Hirelings are barely even mentioned any more. In the game I run for my 13 year-old daughter and her friends, we're using 1981 B/X D&D, and they learned quickly that a high Charisma score would help them get more rumors, assist with parleying with monsters and NPCs when they didn't want to fight them, avoiding trouble with the law, and of course, in hiring retainers. It's crucial for their success!

Comliness and Luck were 7 and 8. I am glad other systems added some alternatives. Even a Pathdinder 1E OGL has substats you could use.

Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I just looked it up, and seems like it was published in 1984. I remember asking my mom to buy me an X-Men comic book, because I had never heard of them, but I recall they were featured in the first adventure, "The Breeder Bombs"!

Thank you so much for watching and commenting. Grammatically speaking, you're entirely correct and it's one of the reasons I bring it up because a whole generation of old-timers have long maintained the intent was to roll the stats "in the proper order" of SWIDCCH. While Gary's sentence structure technically does not support that view, the unfortunate thing is that Gary (nor Dave Arneson, for that matter) was never known for either his spelling (e.g., he titles the introduction to one of the books as a "Forward" not a "Foreword") or his grammar, so it's difficult to rely on proper sentence structure as a basis for making the claim. In any event, I'm so glad someone else saw what I saw, because I never hear anybody mention this! So, thank you!

Oh wow... I really appreciate that! Thank you so much for your support. It means a lot to me.

Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it! After last time, it seemed the consensus of most folks was that the drinking/listening thing was fine as long as it didn't interrupt the actual content. I was trying to tie my videos back to my blog, where I've done that at the end of my posts for years. But, I don't want to turn anyone away! Let me know if that's a deal-breaker for you, and I'll definitely reconsider. Thanks again!

@@daddyrolleda1 Leave the music and drinks notes in. It's your channel, do whatever you want with it. It's not a committee board.

I vote a single drink update per video, maybe make a land acknowledgement at the beginning & end, make all your videos between 23-25 min in length and close with a few thoughts on health care reform. I have some notes on some phrases I’d like you to use as well as a couple product placements.

Thank you so much for saying that! I had a blast coming up with that theory, and I've never heard it before!

I really appreciate that - thank you! I've never heard anyone else mention the Shazam theory before. It could be that I just stumbled onto something, but it's also possible others have mentioned it but I just never heard of it. I'd thought of it before, but I'm currently reading the Mark Waid "Shazam" comic (the one I showed in the video - it just came out a few weeks ago) and it clicked again and I decided to include it in the video. Thanks again!

Yes! And I had meant to mention how Charisma in the early days affected the morale of your hirelings to tie it together, but I forgot. As you can tell from watching, I don't script my videos, so after I finish recording, I often realize I didn't mention something but I also don't have the stamina to delete it and record it again!

Thank you so much! I really appreciate this detailed comment and the recommendation. I'll look up that book you mentioned. And thank you for watching and commenting!

Yes, I'm a big fan of using the "Monster Reaction Table" in B/X D&D, which is modified by a PC's Charisma score. I use it a lot of times for social interactions and I particularly like that it's a bell-curve, not a linear D20 roll, so it's more geared toward a "neutral" or "indifferent" outcome. That's when a player's positive CHA modified can have a big impact! The players in my daughter's game have used that many times to their advantage to talk down a group of bandits to avoid a fight and also to make new allies, etc.

Agreed. I use encounter reaction, and we can get things going with one percentile roll, not many diplomacy/bluff rolls.

Interesting. In 3E, PF1, and 5E, I'd rate it as the best Ability score overall, with Dex a very close competitor. Depends on game style.

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and learned some new stuff! I feel like there's always an opportunity for us to learn, no matter how long we've been playing! I started a few years after you, in 1981, but discover new stuff all the time. I'm glad you liked the drink and vinyl part. It's a new "segment" (only the second time I've done it) - I've been doing it on my blog for almost a decade and thought it might add some personality to the channel so that I'm more than just a pair of hands and a bunch of old books! Thank you for watching and commenting!

Thank you - I really appreciate that! I definitely don't have any editing experience or technical know-how, and my set-up is quite primitive. I also don't print out scripts to read, but rather do research and make some notes, but I talk off-the-cuff. At one point, I had asked folks if that was a problem, as I had intended to begin reading scripts, and the general consensus was that I shouldn't do that as it would lose something in terms of my delivery. I am VERY open to suggestions on how to improve my channel, if you have specific ideas with regard to editing, polishing my videos, etc. Thank you! I'm really glad you found my channel and I very much appreciate your support!

You're welcome! And thank you for watching and commenting! I hope you find other videos you enjoy and I look forward to chatting with you in the comments!

Thank you very much! I really appreciate your support! The Shazam theory is just that... a theory. "Correlation doesn't equal causation" and all that, but it's still a fun coincidence at the very least! Thanks again for watching and commenting!

Thanks! I moved states right before 2E came out, and when I finally found a new group, they had stopped playing D&D and were playing Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay instead. I had a lot of fun with that game one summer before moving to college! Thanks for watching and commenting!

Oh, cool! I will check those out. I'd say that roughly 70% of my vinyl collection is jazz. The rest is mostly Movie Soundtracks/Scores, Rock, Blues, and Christmas.

@@daddyrolleda1 I'm into Prog, but lately I'm into this artist on yt called Ren. Incredible talent.

Thank you for watching and commenting! I never really got into Skills & Powers stuff unfortunately. My family moved at the tail end of 1E and I lost my group. While I bought some 2E stuff (mostly the "Complete" handbooks and a few of the Green Historical guides), the new group I found had decided to play Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. I do hear from a lot of folks that liked the Player's Option books, and I recall that they began to presage a lot of stuff that ended up in 3E. Thank you for watching and commenting!

@@daddyrolleda1 yes, many of those books ended up in 3rd edition and the warlock started there and many other things.

@@SuperHellfist While I started playing in 1981 with Moldvay Basic, in terms of sheer numbers of hours of games played, I've spent more time with 3E/3.5/Pathfinder1E (which I kind of just lump all together) than any other system! My 3.X collection is quite large!

I'm so happy to hear this! Thank you so much for letting me know, and I'm also very glad you found my channel. Thank you for watching and commenting, and I look forward to continuing to chat with you. Cheers!

I appreciate your comment so much. Thank you!

Thank you for watching and commenting! That's a fun approach! For my daughter's game, I did 4d6 drop lowest which worked pretty well, but in Basic D&D, ability scores are much less important than they are in 3E and on.

Wow... that's a huge compliment. Thank you so much! You are the first person to say my videos are "Very well produced" and I really appreciate that, as I'm making this up as I go along, and I have no formal training when it comes to editing or production. I'm so glad you like the channel, and I sincerely thank you for watching and commenting. Cheers!

It's a difficult situation for a publisher, I think, partially because 5E already has a built in audience that is multiple times bigger than the audiences for smaller indie games. So, from a marketing standpoint, I totally get why folks create games that are simply hacks of 5E with a different setting. It's easier to sell that way. The same thing happened in the 3E/3.5 era, and the same frustrations were mentioned by folks about why everything had to be D20. I've been around long enough to know that there are better "universal" systems than D&D (such as Savage Worlds, as just one example) but there is a large percentage of gamers who aren't going to want to spend the time and effort to learn a new set of mechanics, unfortunately. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I thank you for watching and commenting!

I really appreciate you watching and commenting! Thank you so much! I'll be doing some more videos on some of the games from my collection in the future as well. I think I'd say I'm most comfortable with the classic six, although as I mentioned in my video, I do understand that ability scores/attributes can and should change based on the system and the setting. Thanks again! I hope to chat with you again!

@@daddyrolleda1 And I appreciate the engagement as well as look forward to more videos! I agree regarding varying abilities in different systems. Not everything needs to be dnd 😅

I'm a big fan of the Post Apocalyptic genre and I remember seeing ads for Aftermath! in Dragon magazine, but I never saw the game at my local hobby shop, so to this day, I've never read or played it. My Post Apocalyptic game at the time was Gamma World, as we mostly just stuck with TSR games based on availability. I've heard great things about Champions, but that's another game I've never played, and I've only played the Savage Worlds edition of Deadlands.

I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you very much for watching and commenting. I have a bunch of historical videos like this, and I look forward to chatting with you about them in the comments.

In that poll I did, about 2/3 of folks said that's what they prefer, so I'm shifting my focus to that for the time-being! That's why I just did two in a row! I will be sprinkling in some "how I plan a campaign" stuff, but my current campaign uses 1981 B/X as the rule set, so those videos will often also be an opportunity for me to talk about the history of that edition and the rules in there and why I use them, etc. Thanks for your support!

@@daddyrolleda1 Nice!

Oh my goodness, really?!?!?! Wow! I found those on Board Game Geek in a discussion on the game! They were posted on that site! I hope you enjoyed the rest of the video!

I did. Now Ill have to go find that thread.

@@WileyGames Sorry - it wasn't from Board Game Geek! It's from this blog post: baronvonj.blogspot.com/2015/01/fast-play-grande-armee.html

Yes. That’s my blog.

@@WileyGames OH! Well, I quite enjoyed that article/post!

Thank you for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it! I'm interested to hear about some of your critiques on ability scores!

​​@@daddyrolleda1not the OP but I wanted to share my critiques on Ability Scores, particularly the ones in D&D. I think that on a fundamental level there are two major camps of what they are supposed to be/do. On one side they are just prerequisites for features of the game, as in you need X of Y Attribute to qualify to use Magic. On the other side (and the one I belong to) is that Attributes represent intrinsic aspects of the character that are not based on skill but nature. To that effect, I often find D&D, whose attributes stick to the first group, to often be.. problematic? Especially when trying to have immersion. You cannot play a socially awkward Bard or Sorcerer or Warlock without grossly kneecapping yourself mechanically for example. Additionally the 3 non-physical Attributes are all very subjective concepts that don't make sense if you think about them beyond the mechanical noise of gaminess. What exactly *is* Wisdom? By what measure are we defining "Intelligence"? What makes a person "Charismatic"? Especially when talking about older versions of D&D where things like Attractiveness are tied into Charisma at times, it becomes somewhat non-inclusive.

Thank YOU for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it, and I'm glad you liked the video!

I appreciate that! I remember thinking about it when I was a kid shortly after I learned about D&D, but I hadn't thought about it in years until I recently read a Shazam comic (the one I showed in the video - that issue is only a few weeks old) and it reminded me of my theory! Glad you enjoyed it, and thank you!

Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I really appreciate the compliment. This was a fun video to make.

I'm really glad you enjoyed it! I was a fun one to plan and record. Thanks for your support, as always!

I've seen tons of old hand-written and typed notes from Dave Arneson that all indicate he was not a particularly good speller! If you ever get a chance to watch "The Secrets of Blackmoor" documentary, one of the old players from back in the day mentions it specifically! Thanks for watching and commenting!

Fantastic additional insight! Thank you, Valar.

I own and have played both Gamma World and Top Secret! Gamma World was the second RPG I ever played, and probably my second favorite game after D&D. I didn't include it because I felt its ability scores were really close to D&D, and I'd already picked EPT which also has similar attributes. For time constraints, I just grabbed a game off my shelf, and my eye went to Star Frontiers first over Top Secret. Glad you enjoyed the video and my "drinking" and "listening" sections. That's a new thing I've added lately, although I've being doing it on my blog for over a decade. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@@daddyrolleda1 I agree. Gamma World was a lot of fun.

Thank you very much! I really appreciate you watching and commenting! I hope you also enjoyed the rest of the video as well! Cheers!

Oh, yeah, for sure. Almost as many as there are different RPGs! I just showed a small sampling, as I thought it might be fun for newer players who have perhaps only played one game to see some differences. Thanks for watching and commenting!

That's really interesting about Fate! I know *of* the game, but I've not played or read it, and wasn't aware it didn't use ability scores. I don't think there are too many TTRPGs out there that don't have at least some kind of ability score system built into the rule, but while making this video, I assumed there probably were a few. I just didn't have time in the video to dig into them! Interesting points in your example about STR and how it impacts every physical type skill the same, at least how the game is written now. Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!

@@daddyrolleda1 I've never played Fate either, but there's a yt channel called Fatemaster Cesium, where he talks about the game of Fate that he plays with his friends. Fate sounds like a very interesting game.

Thank you very much for all of these corrections. I knew it was Duane but wasn't looking at my notes when I made this. And I obviously completed screwed up the Spanish Royals sheet - I found it on Griff's site and you can even see the sheet says "Secrets of Blackmoor." That was just a total screw-up on my part. Again, I really appreciate these corrections. I'm going to add them to the show notes right now since I can't edit the video once it's posted.

Okay, I added the corrections at the very beginning of the show notes and credited you for bringing them to my attention. I do hope my few mistakes on this video don't color your perception of the rest of my channel.

Thank you for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it! With every one of these history videos, there are always games that I end up leaving out for various reasons. Sometimes it's for time reasons. In this case, I left it out as the Basic Attributes (while there are only four) didn't really add much to the discussion of the abilities (at least, to me). It's the same reason I didn't mention Metamorphosis Alpha or Gamma World, as their ability scores are pretty much the same as D&D. For time reasons, I also left out Tunnels & Trolls, Runequest, and a lot more. Eventually I hope to cover all of them depending on the topic at hand.

Thank you! Sadly that Angel's Envy is almost gone. I've been holding onto the last dram for a special occasion.... maybe when I reach 2,000 subscribers. We'll see. And thanks for the recommendation on Binging with Babish! I'd not heard of it, but it looks fun!

Thank YOU! I appreciate you watching and commenting and showing your support. It means a lot. Cheers!

Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I think it's highly possible! And, be on the lookout for an upcoming video that I think you'll enjoy, based on your comment. Thanks again!

Thank you so much, Professor! That means a huge deal to me, considering that I'm a tiny channel and that watching your videos is what was responsible for me finally getting my act together to run a campaign for my daughter and her friends (coming up on three years in just a few months!). Someone else commented that you'd sent them here, and I truly appreciate that. Thank you!

Thanks for watching and commenting! I didn't "forget" it - I actually mention it at this point: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OSa1fwcxsG8.html when discussing Empire of the Petal Throne and also refers the viewer back to my video on Unearthed Arcana. For this video, I wanted to focus on the original six scores and why those ones were picked. Thanks again!

That's a good point! Someone also suggested asking Luke. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for watching and commenting!

Thank you very much! I really appreciate your support, and thank you for watching and commenting! I do hope you enjoy some of my other videos as well. Cheers!

Thank you so much! I appreciate you watching and commenting!

Yes, I need to get back to listening. It's in the queue! I'm glad you enjoy my content, too - thank you!

@@daddyrolleda1 another channel that I think you'd really enjoy, is 'The Dungeon Minister'. Or have I told you about his channel before? : )

@@Lightmane You have, and I am subscribed to his channel.

Personally, I do, as well! It also doesn't make sense to call him "Shazam" when Mary Marvel is still around, as is Freddy (Captain Marvel, Jr.). They don't call them "Mary Shazam" and "Shazam, Jr."!

Thank you so much! I appreciate you saying that, and also for watching, commenting, and subscribing!

Thank YOU for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!

@@daddyrolleda1 And subscribing. Like everyone should!

That's awesome! Thank you very much!

Wow - I really appreciate that. Seriously, I can't tell you how much it means that you even watch my videos at all, but then take the time to comment and leave a compliment. Thank you so much.

Thank you very much! I hope it didn't disappoint! If you like the channel name that much, I do have shirts and such in my shop that feature the name and logo. The name was suggested to me by a friend shortly after my daughter was born, upon learning that I was going to start a gaming/geek blog.

@@daddyrolleda1 The video content was interestingly niche and quite well-researched.

I really appreciate that! Thank you SO MUCH! I know it might not seem like a lot, but this particular video, just due to people subscribing and commenting, is far out-performing my latest 7 videos. You have to go all the way back to May 5th and my video on "The History of Skills in D&D" to find a video that has done better! Thanks again!

@@daddyrolleda1 Sure thing. I have a dormant chan. Video's talking about playing d&d always get a chan to 1k subbed. ~Brian.

I truly appreciate this! It really does make a difference - I'm seeing this video performing so much better than the past 7 videos, by a wide margin! Thanks again!

I look at charisma as a measure of the strength of one’s personality.

Whoa, really! That is AMAZING! PDM is the one reason I finally got off my butt, stopped procrastinating, and started the game for my (now) 13 year-old daughter that is coming up on three years in a few months. His "Caves of Carnage" series was so inspirational to me, and I do watch and enjoy all his videos. How did he end up sending you over here? I'm a tiny little channel! And... thank you for letting me know! I hope you enjoyed the video, and that you stick around to find other videos you like.

The short version is "yes." That's a Yazirian, one of the four playable races for Star Frontiers (1982). Years later, Yazirians were adapted and included as an underdark race in the "Monstrous Compendium: Dragonlance Appendix" and as the spelljamming hadozee for the Spelljammer setting in "Monstrous Compendium Spelljammer Appendix 1", both in 1990 for 2nd-edition Dungeons & Dragons. While I don't own the product, my understanding is that the 5E "Spelljammer: Adventures in Space" boxed set mentions the Hadozee are natives of a world called Yazir.

I just checked my copy, and you're right! It does say they are from Yazir. Call backs like that can really fun. Did their backstory of being enslaved and experimented on exist before 5e?@@daddyrolleda1

It's... "complicated." In the 2E Monstrous Compendium: Spelljammer publication, the Hadozee are described as having aided the elves during the "Unhuman Wars" and they were known as "deck apes." It specifically says, "The elves have willingly employed the talents of the hadozee, and have in return paid them well. The elves in no way consider the hadozee to be an equal race, however." In 3.5's "Stormwrack," the Hadozee are described as "...a cheerful traveler, propelled by curiosity and wanderlust into strange places and often dangerous situations." In regard to their relations with elves, it says, "Hadozee genuinely adore elves, almost to the point of fawning over them." But that's it; I couldn't find any other reference to them in terms of their history or any explanation of the "Unhuman Wars." I don't recall the Hadozee part part of 4E. So, all that then leads me to believe the backstory on their enslavement and experimentation is new as of 5E, but it's very possible I missed some deeper references, as I never played Spelljammer back in the 2E days.

I will add it to the list! Thank YOU for watching all the way through to the end. I really like those short "Bonus Content" segments at the end and I always appreciate when folks stick with it. Cheers!

I was never really a big fan of Comeliness myself, but I remember when it came out "officially" in Unearthed Arcana. It was there from the beginning in Blackmoor but that game also had several different attributes all focused on overall "sex appeal" that were combined by Gygax into Charisma.

@@daddyrolleda1I just take issue with blending looks into Charisma. Your looks and personality are not the same thing, and they affect different aspects of different things. The problem is that different races have different standards, but we kind of took that into account, having the numbers kind of flip for the 'ugly' races, since the whole system was set up with a human bias, not just that one stat, everything. lol Don't get me wrong, they do affect each other (even more than the game implied), but, for example, your looks can affect someone from far away, your personality only starts to work when you have time to interact with people for a bit. UA was one of my favorite books back then, not only did it add that stat, but also some fun classes, like the Barbarian and the Cavalier. Between that, and Dragon magazine, we had some great adventures. ;) As far as the "sex appeal" thing goes, sex is the single biggest motivating factor for almost all animals. It is a part of our baser instincts, and almost everyone likes it (whether they admit it or not), as long as it is done in the right way for them (everyone also has their own tastes, and I am not here to judge). Point is, that it is a major motivating factor for all of history (even prehuman), it only makes sense to have it in our stories and games too. As the old saying goes, "sex sells", and while we should not let it control our lives, we need to stop acting like it's this taboo thing, it's an essential part of life. Even if you are not wanting to procreate, it is good for mental health. Sex is why we have the wide variety of life on this planet today, it is how biology and evolution keep pushing us. =D

Thank you for watching and commenting! I've heard really good things about the James Bond 007 RPG, and I totally remember the ads in Dragon Magazine, but I never got a chance to play it.

I have to acknowledge your comment on the "Big Red Cheese." I suspect many comics fans these days wouldn't even get that reference! Thanks for watching and commenting!

There's a lot going on with those, and I think there's probably something to that. Empire of the Petal Throne, published in 1975, also had a Comeliness score in place of Charisma, and Comeliness as an attribute in D&D debuted in Dragon Magazine #67 by Gary prior to him including it in Unearthed Arcana. In the article, Gary attributes the invention of a "beauty" statistic to Francois Marcela-Froideval, who worked with Gary on several AD&D products at TSR in the early/mid-80s as well as translating D&D products into French throughout the rest of the decade. Given that Gary played in a Blackmoor game that would've included both Looks and Sex Appeal statistics, it's very possible he was influenced by that as well.

I remember that Dallas game! I never read or played it, but I recall the ads in Dragon magazine. Did you actually play it? I've never met anyone who did!

I'm a big fan of Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family (specifically Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel, Jr.). I was reading his recent comic by Mark Waid when this theory came to me. Glad you enjoyed it.

Ha! I'll take it! Seriously... thank you for taking a few seconds to leave a comment. It really does help, especially to smaller channels like me. I appreciate it.

I do have Gamma World and Metamorphosis Alpha, but I felt the Ability Scores were too close to D&D to merit a mention. Aside from EPT, I was trying to focus on games with a different suite of Ability Scores!

@@daddyrolleda1 I’ll forgive the omission.

Thank you! 😄

Thanks for watching and commenting! Most of my videos, for sure, are going to be based on TSR Products, as those are the games I grew up with, the ones I have in my collection, and the ones that were available from the stores I had available to me at the time. But, I do bring up games from other companies to make specific examples.

​@@daddyrolleda1 My feeling is that D20 almost had it right but didn't quite go far enough and oddly enough marries well with WOTC's M:TG Take the M:tG color wheel (Red, Black, Blue, White, Green) and assign attributes (Str, Dex, Int, Cha, Wis), dumping Con entirely. Con serves no game purpose (everyone benefits from high Con and high HP, so simply give everyone the ability or dump it. If you REALLY need to distinguish hardiness, make it a feat/skill trick). Then assign each class a primary attribute and a secondary attribute (redundant, is fine). Pretty much every class in D&D is well-represented in this way. Barb - Str/Str Fighter - Str/Dex Monk - Dex/Str Acrobat/Archer - Dex/Dex Rogue - Dex/Int Wizard - Int/Dex Sage - Int/Int - Int/Cha Sorcerer - Cha/Int Bard - Cha/Cha Paladin - Cha/Wis - Wis / Cha Cleric - Wis/Wis Druid - Wis/Str Ranger - Str/Wis There are two I can't remember from memory. Rearrange and season to taste, if you like. Then derive all skills/feats from this combination of attributes. You'll also see that there are natural biases/exclusions for things on opposite sides of my Class Wheel. If you want to combine such combinations, you'll probably not find the same synergies and that's going to be reflected in whatever mechanics you decided upon.

@@PrometheanConsulting That's a fun, and at least to me, unique way of looking at it! Thanks for sharing that!