I loved that scene...it was soo interesting because all the women are soo different :) and its something you dont see every day, a bunch of powerful women talking about power and war
Everyone was just fucking done with games and wanted Daenerys to root out cersei from the red keep for once and all... They all were ready to fight besides her... Yes there would be casualties.. But that's war.. There will always be casualties... But Dany failed to see the bigger picture... Taking KL and the iron throne then and there was the best move in order to start setting things to rights and achieve her so-called goal of bringing peace and order to the realm
Olenna had a point, Queen Margery was beloved by the people and that Mad Cunt Cersei BLEW UP THE SEPT with the whole court in it! Everyone knows it was Cersei, even Hot Pie knew! Lord Tarly only came because he knows that bitch is 50 cents short of a dollar!
BLTKellys i think because, as many have pointed out, she thinks in extremes, unlike jon. Also that would be fine theoretically, we don't know how much and where the wildfire is. And using the dragons would count as using dothraki and/or unsullied on westerosi. On top of that, using dragons like that would be like trying to shoot an apple off someones head with a shotgun w/birdshot
Olenna- "I can't remember a Queen who was better loved than my granddaughter. The nobles loved her, the commoners loved her." Forgive me but I have to disagree with you on that. They did not love her, they loved what she gave them. When those fanatics locked her in a cell they did nothing. If they loved her they would have fought for her.
Aldon Blackreyne I think the phrase "can't remember" actually makes a lot of sense, really. If she wasn't blinded by hate she would have seen dany is more loved, but she doesn't remember or know dany
CrniWuk, it’s called strategy, plus a dragon. Surprise attack killed the other two, one was already a bit injured. The Targaryens conquered Westeros primarily with their dragons.
She should of marched down King's landing and taken the city as Lady Olenna and Ellaria suggested. Tyrion caused more harm to Denarys legacy than anyone ever has.
A reason why you shouldn't employ the brother of your enemy and her general as your prime minister. Too much potential for decision-making to depend on his emotions.
True. Tyrion had no business making war plans for Daenerys. If Barristan and Jorah where at her side. Cersei would have been screwed, from the get go. And yes. Daenerys trusting a member of the house that she was trying to overthrow, was stupid. And she also gave him not a small position, but the most important position possible. WITHOUT A DAM REASON may I add. But if we where to be honest here. If this was Tyrion before season 5. Then based on how smart he played at the battle of the black water . Yeeea. Daenerys would have conquered westeros in a blink of an eye. Her army was gigantic. 100k Dothraki. 8k unsullied. 3 dragons. The reach. Dorn. Some support from the iron islands. Her forces literally where around 200k, maybe more. And over half, where mounted cavalry. But most importantly. The 3 freakin Dragons. Season 8 was the worst, but season 7 is pretty close as well.
@@FusionTM_REDRUM I'm not as bothered by the Season 8 writing as many seem to be (though it could have been better). I look at the situation as Tyrion screwing up his strategy for Dany due to wanting to spare his siblings. Season 2 Tyrion was a great Hand because he was defending Lannisters. The right thing for Dany to have done upon arriving in Westeros would have been to have sent riders to her allies instructing most of them to advance on King's Landing while some march to Storm's End to install Gendry. Then when Cersei and Euron are in custody or dead, send a force west through the Iron Islands to install Yara.
Yup, this scene was when Dany had so much power and everything was in her gasp. It's sad how much she's lost since then because she continues to listen to an adviser who was more suited to politics than war. With another adviser (who's been useless for the most part) bringing up treason......The thing is Olenna wasn't the only one who told her that a leader must also be feared, Daario said it too.
Margaery isn’t dead yet in the books. I do kind of doubt that GRRM told Benioff and Weiss how Margaery died. Seeing as how the actress learned of her death six months in advance, I think they only killed her off because they were running out of source material. So, there’s still a little bit of hope.
Olenna Told Daenerys to act like a dragon, she didn´t hear that advice and she lost two dragons, Sir Mormont, a lot of her army and Missandei, she should have listened that old woman, she was really wise.
Tyrion goes "Love is the death of duty." When it comes to Cersei, it looks like he wants to compromise with her. Cersei is someone should never been trusted. What happened to King's Landing now? Dany no longer had any support than herself. Missandei has been beheaded, only Tyrion and Varys are left to be trusted. These two are sheeps from the beginning!
@@coitze8704 how would Jon have killed her if she had already conquered the other six Kingdoms before they met? The only reason she even considered becoming allies with him is because Tyrion's stupid plan ended up with her losing all of her other allies and even then she always had the larger force
What do all these woman (aside from Yara) have in common? They are all GUILTY of murder. Olenna from killing Joffrey and framing Tyrion, Ellaria from killing an innocent child, and Daenerys from killing innocent civilians. Karma came for them.
@@nuttydishwasher5377 I'm pretty sure Olenna didn't want to frame Tyrion lol, it's just Cersei. Joffrey had it coming. Agreed about Ellaria, she deserved it (but Tyrion wasn't involved). And before Daenerys killed civilians, which was in season 8, Tyrion fucked up many times, I mean, she lost her allies because of him. I always though that he did it on purpose though...
@@nuttydishwasher5377 Killing Joffery was a public service. Ellaria poisoning Marcella on the other hand was a shit move. Glad she got what was coming to her.
I loved Tyrion's call-out of Elaria. And he was right about the civilian casualties. Dany went from "I won't be Queen of Ashes" to "BURN THEM ALL!" just like her dad.
@@DJ_Trollyits medieval times, since when did a lord committing murder matter. The only bad one is Ellaria. Killing Joffrey helped the realm immensely and cersei ruined it by raising the power of the sparrows, arresting the tyrell children, and blowing up the crept killing the queen and making the king commit suicide.
I loved Margaery Tyrell to bits. Her character was exactly how a queen should be. Smart and cunning . But at the same time showing love and compassion to people. Some may say that she was just fainting compassion, but that's just bullshit. She was genuinely horrified about Joffreys death, even though he was a cunt. She even told her grandmother how disturbed she was and how sorry she felt for Cersei. Who again. Is a piece of shit and has threatened her multiple times. I wish Margaery have met Daenerys. This would have been a great scene to watch.
I’m sorry if you think about it it’s a really smart plan. He didn’t know about casterly rock or the iron fleet. He did get out played yes that’s because he underestimated his enemy not to say that his plan was really smart
@@chaosapiant ALL his plans failed... saving lives, my ass. Daenerys isnt even as ruthless as Aegon I were.. Tyrion is a retard. The only time Danny listened to an advise who werent from Tyrion ( Olenna here..), she won.
If she'd have just listened to Olena right then, she could have sacked King's Landing with just the dragons, and not even needing the Dornish, or the Tyrells or the Fleet, or having busted Casterly Rock. She could have then as Queen used the support of Tyrion, Olenna, Ellaria, Yara and Sansa/Jon Snow to take the Throne, and marched the Armies of Unsullied, Dothraki, Dorne, Riverlands, Vale, Iron Islands, Westerlands, North, The Reach and the Stormlands up to meet the White Walker threat, focusing all of Westeros on a single objective working in unison and forming a bond of union. Instead she listened to Tyrion, lost Olena and the Reach army, wasted the unsullied on casterly rock, lost Yara's fleet, lost Ellaria and Dorne, gave Cersi and Euron time to improve and mass produce Scorpions, just in time to listen to Jon and march north and back again losing 90% of her forces, her advisors, and two dragons. Yet ultimately still sack King's Landing in about 20-minutes.
Both Viserion and Rhaegal would of been still alive and the battle with the White Walkers would of not take place at Winterfell but at the Wall, because the Night King would of not had Viserion if Dany first attacked Kings Landing.
@Loki Jaxson She only burned the Greyjoy fleet, walls with mounted ballistas and enemies at the gate. Bells rang and city surrendered. It took 20 minutes. Cersei would be hunted down and executed by victorious forces. It was so simple to do, instead they wasted two seasons on Cersei, so her actress could collect free money by staring from tower.
@@ledernierutopiste After what they did to Tyrion from season 5 onwards. Im now curious how he is gonna meet with Daenerys in the books. And if he is gonna be given the same position that he had in the show. Which I doubt it, cause Barristan is still alive and kicking. In the show, they got read of Barristan , to make room for Tyrion. But still. Daenerys trusting someone like that, even though he failed, is just 😒. Cause remember. His negotiation with the masters where stupid to begin with, not to mention he refused to listen to missandei and greyworm, who knew exactly what kind of people they where. So Danny comes to deal with this mess, and he just gets promoted to hand of the Queen fooooor?. When I watched that scene I was really puzzled, to say the least. In any case. Even if book Tyrion does end up being her hand. He most certainly gonna be an extremely cunning and smart hand. Not this brainless softy that was in the show.
Man, could you imagine? If Dany had just trusted her own instincts and attacked King's Landing before she had any reason to snap, she would have probably been the only ruler in history to have support not just from Westeros, but from Essos as well. Her influence would have spanned continents
I understand how it can be confusing since there were several parts to her speech. The burn was "...And how do you mean to take the iron throne? By asking nicely?" .
I think that's going to turn out to be terrible advice. I feel like she's getting more and more power hungry to the point that she will be the new mad queen. She'll ignore her advisers and resort to spontaneous violence all the time. Soon nobody will want to follow her anymore.
Unfortunately I have a gut feeling that the Queen of Thorns will die in ep3! I also heard it will be poison, had I been Daenerys I would have taken Yara's advice and just burned the Red Keep to the ground! I think Tyrion is protecting Jaime and a Hand is supposed to be loyal to his Queen! Let us see what the long game is about. I know that the Lannister/Tarly armies will be decimated and roasted by Drogon and Rhaegal after her Khallassar is done fighting them in an OPEN FIELD! Mind you this is an ambush!!
@KingOne When everyone you've built your identity around ruling hates you and is a potential assassin, lashing out at them is understandable and forgivable.
vgernyc omg Quaithe 💔 such wasted potential. I wish they went more in depth with prophecies and the lore, and I wish Quaithe made more appearances like the books. oh well
@@teamblack204 how though? yes getting away with joffs murder is 'smart" but only because lannisters hated tyrion so much they wanted it to be him and didnt look into it any further
@@bmyles9567 "I want to believe that, I want to believe Marcella is happy." ~ Cersi "You have my word, we don't hurt little girls in Dorne." ~ Oberyn Martell
@@GenerationBright She lost Vyserion against the Night King, and Rhaegal and Missandei died because she was too stupid to remember Euron had a fleet and anti-dragon weaponry waiting for her. Jorah died defending her because she was stupid enough to set Drogon down on the ground long enough to be swarmed by zombies. She didn't lose anything because of Cersei, she lost her dragon and friends because of her own idiocy.
"I've known a great many clever men, I've out lived them all, you know why? I ignored them." Then she dies because of his plan and the others get captured. DAMMIT TYRION!!!
won what? the honor of being a masscring killer no better than the Usurper she once hated? She was trying not to prove Cersei's point by acting like she was there to melt cities and burn down castles. it wouldnt have stopped there either. with the threat defeated no need for a wight hunt. so no need for Jon to bend the knee as she still has proven herself no better in jon's eyes. which means Daenerys has to attack and burn down Winterfell, turning half the country against her.
Tyrion hasn't had a good plan since that wildfire trick. All his advice and plans were terrible and cost her everything. If she had attacked with three dragons when she and the other women wanted to she'd be Queen and could defend the kingdom from the Night King with Three dragons and a massive army because Cersei never would have developed a stronger scorpion. Now the writers are trying to make it seem like she's wrong for wanting to take the original plan with just Drogon.
they dont need all of that. Daenerys could have taken the city with the Reach-Dorne-Iron armies and nothing else. Stannis almost took it with just the Stormlands
'Tyrion hasn't had a good plan since that wildfire trick.' I'd say he's lost his original character since he killed his father. I think bringing him back into play after that act was a mistake. Killing his father should've changed him for good, it's not something you'd overcome just like he did with a few bottles of wine. It was the peak of his character arc. That should've left him with a broken and hardened soul. He should've disappeared at least for a while. He could've lived like a recluse in hiding with Varys's aid. I don't buy him joining Dany's advisory board. HIs whole presence in Essos just feels fake to me. Overcoming the murder he committed undermines the weight of the act.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Didn’t Stannis have a lot of the Reachmen too? I know for sure he has the Florent men (his wife’s people). I think the Florent’s are one of the biggest houses of the Reach (along with Tarlys, Redwynes, Hightowers and Tyrells of course).
Well in between sarcastic waves, she made a solid point: Cersei blew up the goddamn Sept of Baelor to stay in power. You'll need something bíg to get thát tart off the Iron Throne :P
One thing I love about game of thrones. In this scene we see essentially a Dragon Queen with an army of Eunuchs and her Eunuch advisor, a dwarf right-hand man, a female pirate captain, an old lady matriarch and the mother of sand-dwelling assassins discussing how they'll take over the kingdom. In any other series this would have been derided as cliche high-fantasy bullshit. Yet in this series it just feels so organic and natural. It just goes to show how good GRRM's worldbuilding was.
Lamer Gaycan, I'm sorry I didn't catch this message earlier. I was out poisoning people. What is wrong with fucking my brother? If you're going to blame someone for all of this, blame Bran's neglectful parents...who lets a young boy like that run a muck, climb towers and spy on people? Did you whine to Aegon before he died?
I wasn't really thinking about her watching her back more like being surrounded by people like that is going to turn her into a mad queen shes had a few close calls with becoming that way already
I agree, but what will probably turn her quickest is one of these bitches betraying her, because they're all capable of it. Ellaria especially, she is petty and impetuous. Yara's probably alright, if not just a tad too dismissive. Olenna straight up gave the worst advice. She's probably the most selfish and the most careless, not unlike Cersei in an ironic way.
she watched her lover and father of her children have his brains exploded in front of her eyes. it's likely she developed severe PTSD from that - and with that, came a warped sense of justice and revenge. I am not justifying her actions but I can understand from a point of view.
Olenna gave the best advice though; you don't blindly follow the advice of your counsel. It gets you killed like Tommen. You have to be able to take advice and stay two steps ahead yourself, so you know which way to go.
Tyrion is literally why she has been failing for two seasons. And even after losing so much, she won the war in 20 minutes. Imagine what would have happened if they all attacked it back then? They would have taken the iron throne in 3 minutes...
I don't think Olena meant going back and forth burning streets crowded with innocent men, women and children, Olena would've known that such acts is what gets a king or a queen killed
it was tyrion's plan, not hers. dany would've attacked king's landing if it was up to her. she'd be sitting on the iron throne right now with her three dragons circling the capital as cersei's head is mounted upon a spike.
Plot armour is the only reason that Dany didn't attack King's Landing and become queen that very day. Olenna is right, Aegon didn't care about what everyone thought when he conquered the entire continent with dragons and a foreign army there is no reason for her not to do the same.
Yep. There was clearly no point attacking casterly rock unless it was to stop reinforcements getting to kings landing but it still wouldn't have made any difference. Someone should have argued against this.
@@ridensroom6957 yeah Varys. Pfff. I would have execute him because he betrayed so many rulers. He's not trustworthy and he's is talking about to betray her in ep4.
Lady Olenna was right after all! No one can take the Iron Throne by asking nicely! Tyrion gave a stupid advise then ended up backstabbing her in S8. wew
@@coitze8704 Jon wouldn't have the power to kill her the north didnt have the men or supplies to fight Daenerys. Jon would have died to the knight king and Daenerys would have taken the throne. They later would have all surcome to the white walkers. (Honestly I think the white walkers should have never been in the show. They made it wierd and it would have been way better without them)
After watching all of game of thrones and years passing by what happened made no sense. Tyrion was trying to save his sister and brother- period. He didn’t care about Danny winning more than making sure his sister and brother were safe.
Tyrion might be a Lannister’s spy place beside dany... - he prevent dany to attack king’s landing with dragons and her main armies cause he knew the Lannister will fall -he send Tyrell and Greyjoy to King’s Landing but end up being ambushed. -he send the Unsullied to chastely rock but end up to be an empty castle -he sent Jon Snow beyond the wall wanted to get him kill and he try to stop dany to go help. I like him but I’m smell fishy about this...
He basically persuaded Jon later to kill Dany, and he became hand of the king again later I don't know what happened, but after season 7 and 8 I despise Tyrion with all my heart
how did Tyrion know Cersei asked Euron to prove himself? how did Tyrion know Euron would attack at that moment at that location? how did Tyrion know Euron had indeed gotten a thousand ships? how did Tyrion know the Rock is worthless, and why isnt it still a good plan to occupy it? how did Tyrion know Jon would talk Daenerys out of destroying the Red Keep? how did Tyrion know Jon's party would find anything, that Gendry would make it back and that the raven would reach Dragonstone in time? yeah sure Jon might die but he might not.
@@Almandarina2 that is genocidal talk. so after 8000 years of being Kings of the Rock and Lord Paramounts, all of them were "not innocent"? not Joanna? Genna? Myrcella? Tommen? hell Tytos started the Reyne Rebellion BECAUSE he was too weak, jolly and innocent to stand up to people.
The fuck were they thinking? Oh great! Lets send the majority of our navy straight into the sea with barely any crew or other forms of protection despite KNOWING that Euron fucking Greyjoy is out there with the entire Iron Fleet. Tyrion fucked up on the strategy department this time.
I think there are easier ways to get revenge on 4 people than destroying your own fleet, killing thousands from another allied army who had nothing to do with Myrcella and allowing your greatest enemy to make a powerful ally
You do realise the only reason that happend was to even the odds between dany and cersei? If you look at the hole plan geografically it doesn't make sense, because when they sailed from meeren to dragonstone they passed sunspear and dorne anyway, Why would they sail pass dorne then sail back AND THEN SAIL UP AGAIN. But yeah, D&D wanted to make dany weaker and cersei stronger. It would indeed be boring if dany just flew over kings landing and burned the red keep down, hence winning the war in a single episode.
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@@qertasioal3022 Tyrion is kinda suspicious...after that unexpected raid from Euron's fleet, someone is somehow feeding Cersei about Dany's master plans.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Actually, she had more than enough time to do both. Taking over King's Landing then helping the North. Had she not went north earlier Viserion wouldn't have died. The Night King would have had no choice but to wait for them to come to him. Because in order to destroy the Wall he needed either the Horn of Winter( which is in Samwell Tarly's care) or a dragon.
Sadly, Olenna would be killed by that Randyll Tarly or if she's wise enough to turn the table and poison him for being a traitor. Olenna should watch out she shouldn't believe him. She's too wise for traitors
What is strange is how did someone as well informed as Verys not know that Casterly Rock is no longer a valuable asset. Considering how much money was going from the Tyrells to the throne how did Lady Olenna not value their own treasure. Strange.
Danny doesn't wanna be queen of the ashes and that's why she will never be queen. In the game of thrones, you win or you die, there's no middle ground. Hence Olenna is dead, sand snakes are dead, Yara is almost dead aswell, one of the dragons is not just dead but undead... and soon all Danny and Jon's allies will die because one doesn't wanna burn a city and the other can't lie, for fuck's sake, like Ellaria said, this is war, if you don't have the stomach, scurry back into hiding. If Cersei had dragons Danny would be gone by now... The iron throne won't just fall into her hands, she has to take it.
Welp. After season 8 ep4 i think she should have listened to elleria and olenna and she would have her throne by now. Listening to tyrion is her biggest mistake
Tyrion next strategy is we can't kill those many we just make sure they won't get water to drink. And they will be thirsty.in the end they will offer the throne because she is thirsty and need some water 🤣🤣🤣🤣 wat a fool.
kafla oo Yup exactly! I think it was Sun Tzu who said "All war is based on deception" and if you can't do that or like danny decide to dance around a little collateral dmg then you have no business waging war or any kinda conflict politics included. However I do think the massacre at kings landing was bit excessive. Her advisors should kept her mental stability that in mind while "counciling her". They should ask themselves what happens when (A Targaryan) dragon(with a dragn) as nothing left to lose.. Something to keep in mind...😯
Had Dany heeded Olenna's advice and been a dragon, she would have scorched King's Landing and won the war for the Seven Kingdoms... Ignore Tyrion. Burn the Red Keep. Hindsight is always 20/20.
You guys forgot the vision Danny had in the house of the undying back in season 2. She was always fated to go mad. However I'll agree that its execution was horrible
After all, the women in this room were right. Tyrion is not a military man, he doesn't have the guts. Thank you lady Olenna for this piece of wisdom. She is the smartest person in that room, she know what Cercei truly is and how to fight her. We know that sieges won't work against Cercei and Varys is a traitor. When he came to lady Olenna and the snakes he said 2 words - Fire and Blood. He is looking for the ruler who will listen to him, not surving any other greater purpose.
actually her advice is terrible lets look at what being like herself has accomplished her house is completely dead once she dies all she cares about is revenge not the regular people who have to deal with this shit
she didn't accomplished that. Cersei the High Sparrow and Tommen did. I think its pretty fitting advice, concidering the reason she lost her family was because of a ruler that didn't lead and only followed
"Then how do you mean to take the iron throne, by asking nicely?" 😂 I have laughed with all of Ollena's scenes throughout the entire series. Season 8 will suck without her! R.I.P Ollena Tyrell
What disapointed me about this was tyrion reaction to Myrcellas death i expected monolouge similar to the one Davos said to red preistess about Shireen
It wasn't really the place for it, it was a war meeting, they need to work together to win, so arguing and placing blame in a grand speech would only create strife and not accomplish anything
Also Tyrion must have learned a long way back that Ellaria poisoned Myrcella. Davos discovered Shireen's death more freshly by the time the Battle of the Bastards began and afterwards it sunk into him when he confronted Melisandre. The timing of discovery and confrontation is what made Davos angrier and broken to tears whereas Tyrion had already his time to shed tears for his niece and didn't have time up until the war council to give Ellaria grief.
If only she had listened to the women in the room [as of S08E04]. Maybe something changes in the end, but damn, gotta say--Dany was really a fool to listen to the nonsense of the male advisors and ignore the sense of the females, ironically. Will NEVER understand why she didn't just do what Aegon the Conqueror did, B in the D. Worked for him. Screw the casualties; this is dragon-war, & her words are "Fire & Blood."
@@coitze8704 Nah rly Dany could've & should've just done what the O.G. Targaryan sister did: fly a dragon right into the Eirie (or Red Keep here), point the dragon at them, and just be like "your choice--do I burn this castle down or not?" No casualties, peaceful transition of power, done & done.
So she had the armies of the Reach, Dorne, 100 ships from the Iron Fleet, the Dothraki, the Unsullied, and 3 dragons and now she's left with less than 1/3rd of what she spent the first 6 seasons of this show acquiring. Someone, please fire the writers.
@@kingmisogyny1852 No, because everything that's essentially built up over the last few seasons becomes completely pointless. No moron would believe that a ruler who was driven by one goal throughout the entire series now makes one idiotic decision after another.
Marvin Martin Probably just bad writing.. you'd expect a reaction like Davos had when she found Shireen's stag ''I loved that girl, she was good, she was kind, and YOU KILLED HER!!!!!!!''
Well, he took her alive, presumably as the "gift" he promised Cersei. My guess would be Cersei pays Ellaria for murdering her daughter by killing Ellaria's daughter in front of her, then letting the Clegane have her for a while. This would not only be deeply satisfying for everyone who hates Ellaria, it would also allow Cersei to go further down the madness route, without Jaime objecting too much since he'll be even angrier about Myrcella's death than Cersei.
i doubt that, tyrion just doesnt let feelings get in the way of what needs to be done. they need dorne, but snow doesnt need melissandre (which davos knew)
Oh well, Sansa knows how to play the games better. He almost died twice after actually dying. Thank God Sansa and Dany saved him. So yeah, you're right. He knows more than anyone at this point. Or does he? Heis not a wolf or a shepherd. He is a cat with nine lives.
I wish Olenna was around longer to council Dany. I wish Maester Amon was able to reunite with her too. He was wise beyond his years and a gentle soul, but smart :(
If Dany had taken Lady Tyrell's advice right after hearing it, she wouldn't have lost them under diplomatic thinking. Asking nicely or plotting strategies has never been Dany's success. Everything she has accomplished has been based on her powerful actions and demonstrations with her dragons by her side while the people kept dragging her down. It is a shame she will just figure it out by next episode when she is almost losing. We know she cares for innocents but this is what's making her lose while ruthless CerSIe wouldn't give a fuck which is why she's winning .
You know what? Now that I think about it, Daenerys should've just listened to the rest of her counsel members over Tyrion's advice, well, because they are fighters, warriors, battle tested, oral battle tested, etc. etc., while Tyrion is just a politician. That's it.
The women want to level Kings Landing but instead go with Tyrion's plan. This plan got them ambushed and killed. House Tyrell was completely destroyed. Tyrion seems to have been playing word games since the beginning. He's a good villain.
TheRikuideFurame They should have attacked the city or the keep at least right then and there. Either that or they could infiltrated the city using tyrions and varys intimate knowledge of how to get in or out sabatogeed from the inside. They also could blockaded and surround the city either while they did this or as stand alone plan and choked it into submission by starving it of resources. They also could have divided the main army under capable commader like "jora moront" and used it to terrorise the westerlands and keep the lannister forces off balance. Then Danerys could escorted (with the dragons) olenna and elaria south and pocketed there armys then brought them north to deal with whatever was left of kings landing. Point is.. D & D drop the ball on this and now there coming for Star Wars 😕
How many people have died in the fights that followed this council meeting? If Daenerys had just flown her dragons to the Red Keep and turned it, and everyone inside it, into ash, the war against Cersei would be long won and the amount of innocent deaths not higher than it is now. History might remember her "other way" of conquering the continent but what is this worth when her decisions still indirectly kill many many people? If her goal would be to just save as many lifes as possible, she'd just have to burn the nobles on Cersei's side and Cersei herself. Not that many lifes compared to all the soldiers and peasants who will inevitably die in a long war with multiple battles. Tyrion didn't give good advice - he failed. And that cost many innocent lifes already.
Am I the only one who thinks it's embarrassing the way the music kicks in and everyone looks around like some ingenious plan has just come together. When what they have suggested was written by Dumb and Dumber and won't actually mean anything anyway...
Ellaria, Yara, and Olenna were right in this scene. In war, innocent people die, yet Dany insists on trying to take the Iron Throne without killing any innocent people which thus far has lost her all her allies. If she wanted the Iron Throne that badly, she should have listened to her allies.
It was Tyrion's plan. When she listens and the plan fucks up, everybody hates her. When she doesn't listen and everything either fuck up or succeed, still everybody hates her. Many people want her to lose apparently because they hate her for being the biggest threat to everybody.
then daenerys is an idiot. when an army fails, the fault lies with its commander. if there was something wrong iwth his plans, she could have overruled him. plus Tyrion didn't magically know euron could telepor, or that jaime could teleport, or the Tyrells would inexplicably lose the will to fight and die like bitches. plot armor beat daenerys allies, not bad strategy.
