It’s amazing that in boxing (Mosley, Vargas, Toney), you can test positive and still be in their hall of fame, in tennis (Sherapova) you can test positive and still be in the hall of fame, in football you can test positive and still be in the hall of fame. But in baseball, you may not even have a positive test but you still can’t get in. Sanctimonious
Dan wanting to ban Alex Rodriguez from the game for getting caught twice is a perfect representation of the difference in outlook in generations. Can’t imagine someone around 30 caring at all that it happened. And we were the kids that the older generation huffed and puffed about the players lying to.
@@matthewpielet9320 what are you talking about? Conservatives will still tell you, Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Conservatives will tell you there’s a man in the sky who controls everything, and we can talk to him in our head. Conservatives think they live in better places, while we live in places like Chicago, New York LA, while you live in Alabama Mississippi, and Louisiana. You might think red states are better, but remember, it’s our taxes that are funding those states. So you are welcome for keeping you alive. But go ahead and enjoy your fantasy land where Trump won in 2020 and you can talk to “God” about your delusional world.
There is no proof that Ortiz ever tested positive in 2003. You need to go read from credible sources, not just internet trolls. And I’m a Yankees fan - can’t stand the guy.
It was baseball’s problem, had they done something back in the early 90s, maybe Bonds wouldn’t have gotten jealous. Dan Patrick you guys are looking at it reverse. Start at 1988, then go forward, not the other way around. There are 3 categories. 1. Players who juiced who are in the hall. 2. Players who juiced who didn’t test positive. 3. Players who juiced who tested positive and were suspended.
How do we really know who was or wasn't cheating? Or using steroids, or other drugs, to help them play any professional sport?? I'm sure that there are plenty of enhanced players that made it into any number of sports Hall of Fame's...
As a Fan of Atlanta since I was 5 Hank was a fixture for the city and obviously the Braves! When that chase was happening he was kind enough to take the photo ops with Barry and that’s a guy who was nasty to people in batting practice even if they were pirates fans, he just wanted to play and be left alone, but wanted to be great too… lol comes at a cost! Hank Aaron wasn’t flashy but he was a true king to have caught Ruth never hitting 50-60 HRs and still getting it! Like if Tim Duncan ended up with the scoring title with all those banks and still passed Kareem 😂
when they stripped lance armstrong of his tour de france wins. in one race the officially winner ended up being the 8th place rider. the previous 7, including lance, all doped.
If cheating is just part of the game, then so is getting away with it. Getting caught cheating is no different than dropping a pop-fly if that's the case
im tired of the media hypocrisy. baseball is sacred. HOW DARE THEY?!?! meanwhile no one bats at eye at a 275lbs defensive lineman who runs a 4.4. no one cares when a runningback tears his hamstring in week 1. back on the field week 6.
@5:11 yes dan the media seems to pick and choose who to punish when it comes to PEDs. all throughout the 2023 football season Dan campaigned for julian edelmann to go into the canton. HE WAS SUSPENDED FOR PEDS!!!!!!
The reason Papi is in the HOF and Barry isn’t is Papi was a media darling. Gary Sheffield isn’t in for the same reason, he was never a media darling. It’s bs politics
@@genius179 EXACTLY!!! It is also the reason no one cared about steroids in baseball when Sammy and mark were breaking records. Then Barry began obliterating records. the media’s reaction, “oh we have a problem and we have to do something about it.”
@@stingrey1571 yeah it’s not steroid allegations, because Piazza has them, so does Bagwell, Papi tested positive in 2003 but those are guys liked by the media. Same with Curt Schilling, and I’m far from a Schilling fan. If you gave me the option of an hour with Curt or chew glass, I’d ask you can I get some BBQ sauce but he’s an HOF to me. It’s that he isn’t liked. Alomar is in the HOF and he’s a legitimate scumbag
I don’t get the idea that performance-enhancing drug use should be ignored because they didn’t get an advantage from it. They obviously thought that it would give them an advantage. So why did they take it if they didn’t get an advantage from it? Because they taste good or something? It doesn’t make sense. If you’re caught driving drunk, you can’t say “it should be ignored because I didn’t really feel it”.
Because in an ultra alpha male driving sport, strength is everything. The shit doesn't help you swing a bat faster, or more precise. It doesn't increase your agility while running, it doesn't increase your accuracy. It doesn't improve reflexes or hand eye cordination. Your logic makes less sense than what you claim makes no sense.
Its crazy to me how down these plsyers are looked upon...ty cobb was one of the worst human beings on the planet and no one says a word ...what pete rose did was infinitely worse than using gear to improve on your craft
It’s definitely odd how after baseball was in a funk after the strike in 94 the Mark and Sammy race and then Barry is what brought back the game similar to how Ovi and Sid saved NHL after the 05 lockout… and then Clemens and Arod and Barry etc are vilified when Rickey and others that absolutely did roids. I love Rickey but no way he looked as big as Mark and Jose after one offseason…cmon man
I'm 32. I don't give a rip about roids. Roids doesn't improve your hand eye coordination. THE only literal advantage with roids is if they do make impact, it's likely out of the park. Cool. Don't understand the gripe about it. Signal stealing, sticky substances, corked bats, that's legitimate cheating. Those give legitimate advantages against the competition.
If they were caught, no entry to Cooperstown. They reaped the rewards while playing and after but we cannot reward them with this honor. I am over rewriting history, not just in baseball.
Baseball was the most fun when they were all jacked. From 2001 until 2005, when my White Sox won the World Series, that was the best time ever in baseball. Baseball was pretty cool before the 94 strike but something was just different from 911 until the White Sox won the World Series in 05.
I'm with you Dan. I've been out of the whole thing and spent $0.00 on MLB since the early 2000's. Putting those guys in the HOF will complete the farcical play - it will be the 4th act of a pure burlesque.
I wonder if a lot of 90s sports reporters are so against these guys because there is a level of guilt they feel for not seeing it when it happened. That being said, I agree with them, that Bonds should be no where near the Hall of Fame. It sucked for Hank Aaron to lose his record, just like it probably hurt Roger Maris's family. And certainly guys like Jeter, or Ken Griffey Jr. who did it the right way, and could have had much bigger numbers. The idea that everyone was doing it so it was ok isn't fair. There were guys who were playing the right way, and their legacies are hurt by cheaters.
This is an excelent point of view, Dan is so honest about his relationship and responsability on the coverage of baseball, and it is a hard history to write. I mean, if only people took this kind of approach to politics, we probably be in other situation worldwide. Dan is a great example of: "how you do anything, is how you do everything" and that's the importance of people like him taking and talking things seriously, and not just looking for a hot take, he is not being controversial here, he is talking about a controversial subject with a sincere opinion, heartfelt, that is why he is a reference of excelent sports journalism. Thanks guys for doing it as well you do.
I love Dan but he’s in the minority. He talks about white washing baseball, look up Sandy Cofax personal history or Ty Cobb’s personal history there’s plenty of extremely troubling things for them to that these old school baseball guys never seem to bring up when discussing why the steroid players shouldn’t be given a pass.
Taking amphetamines is like drinking 12 cups of coffee in 10 minutes… it doesn’t help a baseball player focus at the plate, just the opposite… the only athlete that benefits most: a special teams player in football… go sprint and tackle that guy. Don’t, don’t, don’t even try to draw the comparison between amphetamines and steroids. It’s just silly.
Then why did they give fighter pilots amphetamines during combat? If you don't think it improved their performance you are delusional. It's almost the opposite of your thinking. PED's mostly helped players recover from injury much sooner.
