mirza beg, Mac Dre: sorry, I should have said this sooner. I was being sarcastic. Appreciate the responses though. I was just baffled that Rich said he only won 3.
Guess who coached the defense on that 90 Giants team sees been to 7 superbowls in the last 15 years like brady. I would been fun to watch the 90 Bills vs the 90 49ers. the giants were good but the Bills could of won that game.
Joe lost many times.. When you don't even make it to the fucking SB its not that you just decided not to that year! Not even making it to the SB means you LOST.
Absolutely. I don't understand how people can continue to make the "Montana never lost a Superbowl" argument. Guess what? That means he lost earlier in the playoffs a bunch of years. They're basically saying that losing in conference championship or getting bounced in your first playoff game is somehow better than making it to a superbowl and losing. That's just plain insanity. Before Superbowl 51, you could have supported an argument that Montana was still the best. I'd have disagreed, but it certainly wasn't an open and shut case. It is now. 5 rings, 4 MVPs, a boatload of stats, and the single greatest comback in the history of the game. Brady is the best quaterback ever. Case closed.
The Patriots won 11 games with Matt Cassell throwing passes. The 49ers didn't perfect team building like the Pats so Montana didn't have teams that could compete every year like the Pats. Montana took the 49ers to the playoffs 9 times, got 4 rings, and suffered a game ending injury in at least one of those playoff games he lost. Brady has taken the Pats to the playoffs 14 times and has 5 rings. Brady has been healthier than Montana, He has won more, but he has also lost more. Had the 49ers kept Montana as their starting QB for the last 3 years of his career he would've got to 5 rings no doubt about it. One is not better than the other, but one has the edge on health and longevity playing for a better organization in an era where the QB is a more protected position.
Joe did 4 in 9 Seasons, Tom did 5 in 15, maths says Joe did 1 in every 2.25 seasons, Tom did 1 in every 3rd season. Joe never had an interception in any Superbowl or lost a any of his, unlike Tom.
ok so he did it ONCE. how many times has brady threw for more than 30 TDs in a season... the fact is you have to cherry pick stats to claim GOAT then you aren't Goat
911WASanINSIDEjob420 Cherry pick? You can’t even sneeze on a quarterback and Brady era.If Joe played with today’s Royals he have 40 touchdowns every season. you can’t even touch these guys now days.they even have a Tom Brady rule. If Joe Montana had a rule he would have dominated
7 Superbowls and 11 AFC Championship games in 15 years. Brady has only missed the AFC Championship game in 4 seasons really, I think that may be the more impressive statistic.
Very much agreed. In the 12 seasons Montana was starting QB he made it to the championship game a total of 7 times (the other 5 include 3 one and done appearances and 2 missed playoffs). So he got there 58% of the time, which is very good but not quite on par with Brady's current ridiculous rate of 73%.
+kz1000ps you idiots say all kinds of things which make no sense,Joe is UNDEFEATED at 4-0 with no controversial shadows hanging over him like Brady s tuck rule ,spygate,or the football losing air gate lol also the patriots have the easiest division ,not t o mention that football today was purposely fixed for the QB not to get hit hardly lol and all these gimmick rules today lol.!!!
Not to mention that Joe had a STACKED team most years. 49ers are my 2nd favorite team and have watched them for 40+ years. Montana is my favorite player, but even I have to admit that in spite of what many of you think Brady has had a MUCH more difficult road. If you do not realize that than you must not watch much football or not for very long. Montana highlights make him look godlike but in reality he was far from as consistent player as Brady. I'm no Pats fan but give credit where due. Players are bigger, faster, stronger, and Brady has performed with a constantly revolving roster of no names.
Actually 14 years he too the Pats to the playoffs. 5 rings in 14 playoff runs. Montana got 4 rings in 9 playoff runs with the 49ers. Equally as impressive. It was a more brutal game for QB's when Montana played. I'm not counting the two years Montana took a lousy Chiefs team to the playoffs.
Hahahaha so now we're going by "playoff runs to rings ratio" LOLOLOLOL you people are ridiculous, Tom is the GOAT anyone with half a brain knows that and the real football fans knew it before his 5th ring. "A more brutal era of football" I dont understand this argument, it's still a brutal sport and QBs still have to be aware in the pocket, it's not like they just get to stand back there and not worry about getting hit while the defense just sits back and watches the QB wait for a guy to get open lolol... Montana didn't have to face the nickel defense until the late 80s, defenses are waaaaay more complex nowadays, the analytics players have access to now is absurd, they can figure out offensive tendencies much easier than in the past, players overall are faster, smarter, stronger than they were in the 80's. "Montana played 16 years in the league, had 11 playoff runs, got to 4 Super Bowls and has 4 rings, so much respect to him. He is the 2nd best QB of all time. 14 tries, 11 conference championships, 7 Super Bowls, 5 rings in 15 pro seasons is unbelievable.
I'm a Pats fan myself, but I'm telling you Montana was just as good as Brady. His last 4 years starting for the 49ers he was 43 and 9 in the regular season and won two Superbowls. His career QB rating in the Superbowl was 127.8. Brady has him on health and longevity and that's it. That's his one advantage over Montana, but he wasn't a better QB.
I cant even argue about it anymore. It's stupid. If I had to choose between Montana and Brady to start a franchise it would be Brady every single time and it's not even a difficult choice. You can list all the win loss stats and qb ratings you want, I'll take Bradys intangibles combined with his stats and skills all day every single day. He's the best we are ever going to see and that is no slight against Montana. To me its Tom, Joe then everyone else. I had the privilege of watching Joe and have had the privilege of watching Tom, both are once in a generation type talents but Tom is better. To do what he's done against more intricate defensive schemes, in the free agency era with a rotating cast of supporting characters is unreal.
Chewy98TA Montana had better talent and was only able to get them in a position to win 4 times, Brady got them there 7 times with different personnel. Only a complete simpleton would put them as equal.
I don't recognize GOAT. I like to think each man is the greatest of their time. Nobody cares what this old man thinks though. This Super Bowl is going to be an offensive shoot out in my opinion.
Yeah, it's hard to compare eras in sports. The rules change, the styles change, the players change, etc. Both were the best of their era, for sure. I come to the same conclusion with Jordan and Lebron, too. 2 best I have ever seen, but they're the best of their eras, without question.
I like it. It's a lot better of an argument then to compare 2 different great QB's from complete different Era's. Even though there are those who'd call what you're saying a copout move. I'd call this just another debatable subject, that fan's will argue years from now.
Deciding who is the Greatest QB is simple, but hard. Comparative Analytics is the mathematical science of comparing two objects with each other. you break down the objects into mathematical analogs and compare the two. For the Brady vs Montan discussion it is much simpler than that, but the same. A QB must use what he has, so the big question is: What does the QB have to work with? You compare their supporting players with their opposite players. How many HOF players does each have? How many First All-Team players does he have? How many Pro-Bowler players does he have etc? What is each players ranking in the NFL at the end of the season? Then, you compare the rosters. You start out with a team quality score of 100 for both teams, then you take away point(s) for having the better player at a position and give point(s) for having the lesser player at that position. You do this for every roster spot until you have awarded or taken away point(s) for each player. Now, what is the quality score when the differences in player quality are equalized in this manner? Which QB has the higher score? That tells you who is the better QB relative to there win percentiles and record. When you do this for Brady and Montana, it becomes clear that Brady had far less to work with, yet went to more Super Bowls, won more Conference Championships, won more division titles and won more games and has the better stats. Just look at Mark Sanchez. In his first two seasons with the NY Jets, he went to back-to-back AFC Championships. But, in those tow season, NY had spent heavily on talent, including veterans. Then the salary cap and retirement cut that team up, and Sanchez fell from grace into the Thanksgiving Day Butt-fumble, a true Turkey for the NY fans. It is a lot easier for a QB to look good when he has top talent around him, much harder when he doesn't.
Also it is imperative to look at what Round Talent is Drafted. A 1st Round Receiver usually has more TALENT than a 3rd and a 3rd more than a 7th. Heart, Work Ethic can Elevate less Talented players to being All Pros. As Better QBs can Elevate less Talented players to exceed/maximize their potential. While Elite 1st WR Talent can Elevate a QB
Montana consistently dominated in the first half of games. They were up by 14 or 17 points regularly. So he didn’t put up the overall numbers like some Qb’s, because he was so efficient early in games. Joe was regarded in the same way that Brady is now. Other teams knew that if he had to win it in the fourth quarter, he most likely would.
Tom Brady is system quarterback and today he said it to ESPN. Joe Cool is the GOAT Tom Brady may be the best quarterback to play in the NFL. He just doesn’t see it that way. ESPN’s Ian O’Connor asked the five-time Super Bowl champion if he’d eclipsed boyhood idol Joe Montana as the greatest at the position. “I don’t agree with that,” [Brady] said, “and I’ll tell you why. I know myself as a player. I’m really a product of what I’ve been around, who I was coached by, what I played against, in the era I played in. I really believe if a lot of people were in my shoes they could accomplish the same kinds of things. So I’ve been very fortunate. … I don’t ever want to be the weak link.”
Montana was his idol growing up tho. He's just giving his respect to his childhood hero. Same as how Federer will never say he's better than Sampras even though he is. And Brady is always known for his humility, never taking credit for anything in media interviews etc.
Yeah, your post didn't age well. Brady is now 6 for 9. He has spent half his career ending the season in the Super Bowl. Gronkwoski is the only long time HOF he has played with. He also has 3 Super Bowls after the age of 33 with another appearance while Joe was done at 33 and never made it back to another. Keep those tears salty my friend.
Update: 6 Super Bowl Wins in 9 Appearances. Oh. As far as regular season numbers. Not even close. Sorry Joe fans. The argument has been over for a while now. Brady is just padding his stats at this point. Like because you know it's the dam truth!!
HaHa hardly. Pats fans wont admit Brady plays in a pussified versionof the real league Montana won his 4 titles with 0 pics in .Put Montana in bradys throw first run as a last resort league and Montana with his pin point accuracy and ability to read defenses would break ever QB record out there.Brady also had cheating Bellichek and should admit 2 of his SBs were null and void. Montana was all class' Bellichek and Brady did whatever had to be done to win .NO COMPARISON. Stats only say so much. Actions speak volumes.
Brady has been honored with four Super Bowl MVP awards (Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, and LI), the most ever by a single player, has won two league MVP awards (2007 and 2010), has been selected to 12 Pro Bowls, and has led his team to more division titles (14) than any other quarterback in NFL history. As of the end of the 2016 season, Brady is fourth all-time in career passing yards, fourth in career touchdown passes, and third in career passer rating. His career postseason record is 25-9, winning more playoff games than any other quarterback, and he has appeared in more playoff games than any player at any position. DROP THE MIC!!!!!! Ref. Wikipedia
What doesn't get brought up. Joe never won or went back to another Super Bowl after age 33. Brady won two after age 33 at the time of this video and got a third last year. Half of Brady's career ends in the Super Bowl. That is insane. Only Bill Russell has numbers like that and the NBA was small back then.
Hey dipshit' because Montana was physically shot after 33 from taking legal hits that in todays pussified game would draw 4 game suspensions. Brady won his titles cuz of 3 reasons. Bellichek is a fucking cheater and so is his Bitch Brady. 2. The pussification of a once fun to watch game where QBs can stand in the open and throw with impunity knowing they wont be hit.3.The tuck rule.
Let me put this in perspective....If Brady Never won a SB he would be in a Dan Marino Tier as great but never having won 1... Scenerio 2....Brady is 0-6 going into SB51 and Loses...He would have elevated slighlty just Behind Young/Favre/Manning (IMO) Scenerio 3....0-6 and This game happened....His performance alone in the 4th with the SB Win puts him in the conversation of GOAT.... Reality Time...Brady = GOAT no argument can be made
He had Moss and wes Walker and still couldn't beat the Giants. Don't talk about having Jerry Rice. Montana made sure to use his players to their max ability.
Joe won 4 super bowls in 10 yrs... he played 16 years but was hurt 3 of those years and didn't play....and Joe played in the era when they could hit the Qb Brady is the reason the QBs can't be touched anymore..there will only be one great Quarterback to ever play the game ...that's number 16!
Well said. If Joe coulda played in a era of pussies like Brady plays in he'd own every title out there.The only way to stop smokin Joe from killing you on the field was to try taking him out. Pressure Brady a little and he's like a scared little girl running from a boy on a playground.
I agree ....This debate is fuking stupid ...Tom has surpassed Joe five seasons ago. One, Joe was an old Qb going out in the first round with KC at 35 Yrs old ....and those last 3 years he was average at best ...now Tom is 40 and leads the league with fking 22 td's and 2 interceptions (the corners today are so much better ) Second ....4 Rings to 5 ....(Tom Wins sunday) and 7 Sb's and more coming ...Third ..Joe ..40,000 yards and 270 td's ....Tom ...62,000 yards ...460 td's .....be real .....not close ....Tom # 1
Montana was 38 at the end. The Guys did get beat up a lot more back when he played their were not a lot of illegal hits in the 80's. Those 80's Quarterbacks playing today would put a lot better numbers and most likely play a lot longer because of less hits.
Yeah but defenses are way more complex now, the nickel was just coming to fruition in the late 80s. The game might have been softer but the game overall is much more complex, with all the analytics, different defensive schemes, all angles of film that can be studied, the players are faster, bigger, some cases stronger and because of the advance in coaching and technology have much higher awareness of the intricacies of the game. I understand your argument, but it doesn't hold any weight in light of these things.
I feel like this super bowl and here on is just a celebration of greatness from Brady like it's just everyone allowing to view the greatness of the goat
if the patriots are able to win with all these interchangeable parts, then doesn't that lend their success more to belichick and the system over brady? garrapolo did very well in brady's absence. who's to say that he couldn't have done great instead of brady? let's not forget that the patriots should have lost against the seahawks. the worst call in super bowl history is the reason why they have that won.
@@gilbertbrown4183 Im 55 and Montana's era was the easier era. No salary cap meant the 49ers were stacked with HOF players unlike the Patriots who plug in whoever. They did get hit a lot more back then.
when two teams meet up for the SB they're the best two teams of that year. Brady has come out number one 4 times and number 2 two times. Montana had no chance to increase his SB count because he and his team weren't good enough to make it to the big game. It should be a bigger stain on your legacy to lose earlier in the playoffs then to lose in the SB. Plus the way Tom lost those two SB's were ridiculous, hail Mary pass by Eli manning, ball caught one handed off the receivers helmet, You'll never see another catch like that again especially in a playoff game or SB. Then Wes Welker dropped the game winning catch in the other SB, watch the replay online the whole New England bench just lost it. Brady's the GOAT takes a bunch of no name receivers with him to SB's. win or lose this game he's still the GOAT.
Injuries bro. He could have three pleated if not for a hit so hard that he got hit in the back and broke his hand. Tell me how you can win when there was little to no rules to protect a quarterback?
Great players dont need excuses made for them losing.Brady lost to the same QB twice. Montana never lost in the big show. With the game on the line give me aaron rodgers'with the fate of the world on the line ' HANDS DOWN MONTANA ' THE GOAT.
@@gibster9624 Exactly. Had he not taken that hit in 89 the 49ers woulda 3 peated and the GOAT would have 5 rings ' no picks and be the only team ever to 3 peat ever and Crybaby brady would still be in the same place he is in true football fans opinions now 2ND GOAT.
joe Montana never even threw a interception in a superbowl. and corners were great then. plus Montana played in a brutal era were the qb was treated just like another player on the field. props to brady but if joe played in this era he would've played forever.
"A more brutal era of football" I dont understand this argument, it's still a brutal sport and QBs still have to be aware in the pocket, it's not like they just get to stand back there and not worry about getting hit while the defense just sits back and watches the QB wait for a guy to get open lolol... Montana didn't have to face the nickel defense until the late 80s, defenses are waaaaay more complex nowadays, the analytics players have access to now is absurd, they can figure out offensive tendencies much easier than in the past, players overall are faster, smarter, stronger than they were in the 80's.
Players were smart and fast then too. Yeah the game is brutal but nowhere near the savage way it was played back in the day. Brady never takes blows the way theisman or young or Aikman took.it was a much more intimidating game then. But again after this Super bowl come back, its hard to argue with the fact that at least statistically Brady is the greatest
brmillgr if you don't think football in the 70s 80s 90s even early 2000s was way more brutal go look up some NFL videos from that era bro the NFL now is soft today. The defenses can't even hit players up high you can't even tackle players low or there's a flag going to be thrown. quarterbacks are protected way too much and today's football it's not even close Not only was football more brutal when Joe Montana played but they play on this thing called artificial turf which was basically glorified concrete just covered over with carpet in some stadiums.
Marvin Mitchell if Adam Vinatieri don't make those two kicks we not even having this discussion got to give more props to Adam Vinatieri making clutch field goals not only in the Super Bowl in 2001 and 2003 but the divisional playoff game in 2001 vs the Raiders in the snow.
micole - where did I say it wasn't more brutal? I just said it's still a brutal sport, it's not like it used to be but it's not like the QB is standing in the pocket not worried taking a brutal hit from the blind side, they still get hit pretty hard. It's a lame argument.
When Brady regularly out performs the opposing quarterbacks in a super bowl then I'd say he can contend with Joe. 8 appearances and only once did he have the better performance. Joe outplayed every quarterback he went against in his Super Bowls. He just played the best when the lights shined the brightest
Yup. My top 10 are.1. Montana2.Johnny Unitas.3 bart starr.4 roger staubach. 5. Terry Bradshaw. 6 john elway.7 Dan Marino 8.Aaron Rodgers. 9 Crybaby Brady. 10.Drew Brees
i hate when people bring up the super bowl losses or lebron's finals losses as a dent on their record. You are essentially saying Brady/Lebron would've had a better legacy/career if he had lost in the AFC/Eastern Conference Championship game in those years? He'd be considered a better player if he had lost a round earlier? gimme a break.
like i still think MJ is better than Lebron, but not for that stupid reason. As for Brady vs Montana, edge to Brady imo. Montana had an insane team around him, while Brady has had extended success with non-stacked teams since Welker and Moss left and the old defensive core retired in the late 2000s.
Look at it from this perspective. Michael Jordan had 2 '3 peats and is 6 and o in nba finals. Do you think they would put him up there with IMHO the goat larry bird if Jordan was 4 and 2. No fucking way. Losses matter in the big show. Losing in the superbowl is worse than not making it there .Just ask the 70s vikings or 80s Buffalo bills. 4 trips and 4 losses IN A ROW. Thats why Jim Kelly ( a very very good QB in his day) is not even mentioned in any QB rating anywhere. Losses matter to the fans .
Joe Montana or any quarterback from that era was throwing to receivers who literally had glue on their gloves. Yes, glue (remember stickum?) on their gloves. If that doesn't remove them from the conversation I don't know what would. To hell with deflated balls or any other advantage. Could anyone come up with a better advantage for a quarterback than glue on the hands of your receiver?
Mike it's time to let it go man. I go way back rooting for the 49ers during the 80's, met Jerry Rice in 1990 while i was in the boy scouts, and always worshipped Montana. But someone came a long who surpassed him. It's time to move on.
Kid? I'm 37 years old. I met Jerry Rice in his prime over a quarter century ago. Why don't you buy a clue you dumbass. When Brady retires, he'll have probably been to twice as many Superbowls as Montana, with the potential for 50% more championship rings. He's also been to twice as many Conference Championships. The facts speak for themselves. I'm not the one reaching for emotional arguments here.
If you only knew then what we know now! Tom Brady has seven Super Bowl rings! Went from maybe being the best quarterback of all time to be in the greatest football player of all time!
for the people that think 4-0 is better than 6-3, imagine that. SB 42, first Giants and Patriots, a little over 1:20 left in the fourth, 14-10 Patriots 2 and 5 at Giants own 44. Eli Manning throws a lob pass in the hands of Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel that drops it (he is all by himself with both hands at the ball, easy interception dropped). That would end the game, Tom Brady wouldn't have thrown any more passes in that game, the Patriots would be the only 19-0 team and Tom Brady, without doing any more or less, would be 4-0 with an undefeated record. From that moment on all stays the same, Tom goes down in 2008 and all, everything but the 2011 AFC championship that the Patriots won against the Ravens, they actually lose that game (no FG miss). After a so-so 2013 season and another loss in the AFC championship game, now to Peyton's Broncos, Tom Brady decides to retire after the 2013 season, playing 14 seasons, being 12 as the starter (discounting 2000 and 2008) as a 4 times Super Bowl champion, 4-0 in the big game, with a perfect record in the resumé. Now tell me how is that better, than his actual career? No comeback against Seatle, No 28-3 comeback, No 505 yards in the SB, No extra MVP at 40, No comeback against Jacksonville, against the Ravens in 2014. I would much rather have his actual career with 6-3 SB record, than this hypothetical, but plausible, career.
Brady is thè goat. Montana. Was great as well. Records are ment to be broken and not ment to last. Brady has surpassed montana before he won thè Last super bowl. Definetly alter winning. LeBron Will surpass mj. People facts are facts. Mj wasnt even thè Best anyway. NBA is thè encyclopedia of kareem. Check out kareem stats, no three pointer, didnt keep record of blocks back. Then. Kareem goat.
Respect Joe Montana but Joe never threw 30+ touchdown in his career. He played well only in Superbowl. Just see this stats. No more argument about this two. Brady is the BEST ALL OF TIME!! Tom Brady Montana CMP 63.8% 63.2% yards 61582 40551 TD 456 273 INT 152 139 SB Appearance 7 4 Win 201 117
Kanishk Amin different rules , you can’t even sneeze on these quarterbacks today back in Montana’s day you either get rid of the ball or you die. There’s really no way to compare the stats all I can say is I don’t know Brady Could have stayed healthy in Montana’s day but I do know that Montana could have stayed healthy in today’s game
Brady throws on average 550 times a year. Montana averaged 321 quarterbacks in his era got hurt all the time a sixteen game season was rare. You played while injured even which if your hurt but the defense thinks you're healthy you can still hand the ball off. Numbers are like bikinis they show a lot but don't show everything.
Joe played in a run first era. Joe also didn't have all the rules to protect him there are today. And DBs weren't restricted to a 5 yrd bump rule so it was harder for receivers to get open. And if you think he only played well in the Superbowl...Then you are ignorant about the game. If your QB only plays well in the Superbowl then your team doesn't go to the Superbowl.
Lets not forget Montana crossed the picket line line a scab, I think of him as a union breaker. Brady is hands down a better QB, eight SB and he is going for his 6th ring, with a cap, just crazy. How many does Brady have to win before we can stop this discussion? Six, well that may happen sooner than later. Its funny Terry has no issue admitting Tom is the GOAT but Montana just cant. Well Tom is the GOAT end of story.
Joe Montana 3rd round pick by San Francisco Out of Norte Dame in 1979 4x Super Bowl 🏟 Champion 4 wins 0 losses (he never turned the football over in the SB) 3x Super Bowl MVP 8x Pro Bowl 3x First Team all pro 2x Second Team all Pro 1989/1990 Offensive Player of the year 1986 Comeback Player of the year 2x league MVP 1990 SI Sportsman of the year 80s All Decade Team 75th Anniversary Team (1995) 40,551 passing yards 92 passer rating and 273 touchdowns in his sixteen year career with San Francisco and Kansas City from. 1979-1995 NCAA championship with Notre Dame in 1979 Pro football 🏈 HOF
It's neither. Always is was and will be Johnny Unitas. And if Walsh could have traded for Marino in 83 he would have. Likewise if Bellicheck could have traded Peyton in 01 he would have. Joe and Tom would have been on the bench the rest of their careers.
Every quarterback that plays in today’s game , their numbers are going to be better than the past quarterbacks because of the rules.the NFL protects the quarterback’s of today’s game. You can’t even sneeze on the quarterback’s today. if these QB’s played back when the nfl didn’t protect them with these rules you would see who’s is the best. But today you can’t touch the quarterback and you can’t touch the receivers it’s not even the same game. The defense of backs of today’s games are less aggressive they don’t want to fined.Most quarterbacks and receivers wouldn’t of made it through the whole season back when Montana played.
Quarterbacks of old got hit more and had to be tougher, but quarterbacks today have to deal with salary cap and free agency which creates parity. MUCH more difficult to win today but you at least don't get beat up doing it.
Plus you last longer today playing at a higher level. Basically montana created his legend in only 10 yrs in SF before his elbow had surgeries. Too bad marshall killed him the way he did. Joe most likely would had have 5 sbs in 10 yrs and 3 in a row at only 34 yrs old. Marshalls hit today would have been a fine and penalty and possible ejection. 49ers would have 15yds and a 1st down basically killing any chance the giants had.
Montana was the better Superbowl qb, no interceptions, no losses and a 128 qbr rating. If our world was on the line against an Alien Invader football team, you're starting cool Joe, no question about it. nuff said
Joe Cool (Who I love) shouldn't be commended for losing in the playoffs instead of the Superbowl. Joe Montana was the best QB of his time. TB12 is the Greatest Of All Time
Tom's level of excellence extended over a much longer time as compared to Joe's. His post season stats are dominant and you have to remember he played for Kansas City at the end
You totally ignored what i said and Tom brady said himself. There are alot of quarterbacks i KNOW are better than brady. Rodgers would have 8 sbs on the patriots.
people keep saying Tom Brady didn't have any talent...but he had Randy Moss for 4 seasons while Joe Montana played with Rice 4 seasons, they make it seem like Montana/Rice were teammates for 10 seasons...it was only 4 seasons.......Brady has had the 2 best slot receivers of the past 10 years........he's had the best talent TE in the NFL in Gronkowski.........and yes, SF had Roger Craig, but NE had Corey Dillon who led the NFL in rushing his first year w/the Patriots.......
I'm going to get in my time machine and put Roger Staubach in it and let him loose in this era w a good and sometimes great cast around him in order to put this whole goat conversation ( @ least as far as quarterbacks go ) to sleep 70s Aaron Rogers is probably closest modern day comparative .
He had Randy Moss for christs sakes! They rent their superstars year to year. Gronk!!! Dont try to short change edelman like he is nothing. Just watch when brady is gone, and the pats keep winning!
Brady never blew anybody out in the Super Bowl, unlike Montana. Brady barely won every Super Bowl he was in. He could be 0-7 with just a few plays not going his way. Joe had 11 TDS and 0 int’s.Argument over. So Brady came back from being down 28-3, so what? He should have played better to not be in that situation to begin with. And the reason Montana has way less Td passes in his career is mostly because he dominated in the first half of games, and didn’t need to throw many in the second half of games. But when he needed to, he did.
Pedro Martinez Crappy teams? So the teams that make the superbowl are crap? They obviously the best team of the AFC if they made the superbowl dumb ass
Rich, here's what you and all the other Brady is the GOAT folks ignore. The NFL made rules SPECIFICALLY to protect him. Yes they apply to all QBs ...... But Brady is the reason they made those rules. Then there are all the calls that go his way. You touch him, you catch a 15 yard Roughing the Passer flag. Especially when he's losing a close game and the pass falls incomplete. I know, you work for the NFL Network and your boss is BFFs with Tom's boss and so you're contractually obligated to fellaciate (symbolically at least) Tom whenever the opportunity to do so presents itself.... But c'mon. You know what happened when Joe got hit and the 49ers/Chiefs losing a close game and the pass was incomplete?! He picked himself up, dusted himself, got back to the huddle called the next play. And with as skilled as he was......Barring the injuries that kept him out for 2 years......He very likely would have gone to 7 or 8 Super Bowls. Possibly more in today's game. And Tom Brady, clearly posessing more intellectual honesty than most people at the NFL Network will tell you that. Oh and Joe never a cheating scandal OR needed a kicker's foot to get a ring 3 of Brady's 5 came that way!
Joe was 4-0 with 11tds and 0 pics .3 MVP . GAME ON THE LINE WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ? I'll take Montana all day everyday !!! Let's not forget the NFL is completly shifted for the offense now. You can't touch a q.v. or wr. I could imagine Montana throwing 40 yrs every year with the rules the way they are now.He'll what would Marino do ?
no one has that line, those receivers, and that coach. just stop with this brady stuff. do u actually look at him and rodgers and say he is better than rodgers? lol. i make money off of people like you. hype them up and collect the cash.
Joe was part of a system also. Ever heard of the West Coast Offense? Yeah, Bill Walsh and the 49ers invented that system, and it kicked ass in that era.
Tom Wolak 1980s & 1970s were completely different 1970s was all about the running back (Csonka-Franco Harris-Tony Dorsett-Walter Payton) The passing attack wasn't about until the late 70s & Early 80s with Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow The 1980s ushered in the passing attack
Montana was simply a better performer in the Super Bowl and playoffs than Brady has been. If you are just going to look at total team accomplishments then why even argue? Charles Haley is as good as Brady then since 5 Rings = 5 Rings. Not my logic just saying if that is your logic then don’t @ me here with that, because that is a lazy and stupid argument in a 22 players on field team sport. Montana was more impressive and more efficient in big games and this is during a time the QB was not nearly as coddled as now. People will say he had Rice but he won without Rice also. Brady has had good players around him too pats fans and Brady lovers just act like he didn’t to bump him up. Montana never fumbled or threw a pick in the Super Bowl while Brady has. He didn’t need a kicker to close the game, or the other team to not run on the 1 yard line. He was always dominant in the Super Bowl, Brady in some and not so much in others. While I’m not going to give Montana 100% credit for 4-0 in the Super Bowl, I’m not giving Brady 100% credit for making 8 of them either. I’m just talking about how they performed in the Super Bowl. Brady has better longevity, but Montana was better prime vs prime and in the big games.
Uhh, you are embarrassing yourself now. Brady 24-9 postseason, Montana 16-7 postseason. Brady 73%, Montana 70%. Brady 8 championships, Montana 4 championships. Brady 5 superbowls, Montana 4 Superbowls. And Brady has him in most stats, and the amazing thing is Brady did it in the MUCH more difficult modern era with salary caps and free agency. You cracked me up though, so at least I got a laugh,lol.
When you can stand in that pocket with no fear of getting hit it's an entirely different game. The rules the last 12 years in the NFL have turned this into a pussy League Not only did Montana have to worry about people going at his knees and his head he had to worry about people going after him 30 seconds after the play was over.
Erik Hopkins Brady has fucking four not three, and getting to the fucking super bowl is better then not getting there are at all 4-2 IS MUCH BETTER THAN 4-0
Jerry Rice used stickum, his offensive line cheated by spraying silicone on their jerseys. The difference is that nobody falsely accused Montana of doing something that he didn't do. Brady has accomplished more with less weapons around him, and he has eclipsed anything Montana has ever accomplished. www.complex.com/sports/2015/06/joe-montana-says-offensive-linemen-used-to-cheat-by-spraying-silicone-on-jerseys
rodgers probably way better than whats his name ? brady ? rules and cheating getting you to super bowls .. ott graham is way a head of brady .... montana had 4 and no picks .. got injured he had 5 no picks .. brady throws picks . montnan wins . rodgers is best qb today ... pats had lots of great receivers .. you guys lie period. brady lucky all the way through . should never even been to half the super bowls ... first one should never happened .,.. great yes but he benefited from many gifts . all over the place .. bad under pressure . one of the worst under real pressure like getting hit . one of the best yes .. goats would be bo jackson , jim thorpe , ott graham , sliding sammy baugh , peterson , randy moss , only really a few goats .. shawn taylor a goat . few blockers . lawrence taylor goat .. only really a few freak goats . reggie white . rest are great players . goats freaks and play long careers , even take steve tasker as special teams goat and all around player .. . deon sanders .. a lot of new goats learned from original goats created the moves . haha. old goats played with bigger balls passing and no protection . bad equipment .. maybe three 4 goat quarter backs .. right system and coaches imagine rankle cunnigham as a goat and jeff geoprge in his good years .. freak arm .
Why doesn't anyone ever include Bradshaw? I mean I'm a Patriots fan and I know Tom is the GOAT, but Bradshaw won 4 as well. I mean people put that loser Seyton Manning into the conversation so why not Terry?
Really? Comparing JUST going TO the super bowl? Fine. Jim Kelly - 90's Bills. 4 peat and basically perfected the no huddle. There. Done. And if you wonder where the majority of the Bill fan's have gone from that era, they jumped from the Bills wagon to the Colts and now are Patriot fane. Also, if Joe played in today's league and how they hand hold the quarterback. he probably be kicking ass as well. Brady in the 80's and early 90's......yeah, one REAL hit by LT, Too Tall or Derrick Thomas and he'd be crying for special treatment.
One point... Tom Brady did have Randy Moss for a couple of seasons. In those seasons, they never won a Super Bowl. So, if the argument is that Joe Montana won, in part, because he had Jerry Rice, then why didn't Brady + Moss win one?
@@ep9691 yes cause hes played 20 years cause were living in a time where they cant touch him. He would have never made back in those days! It's more than just being about numbers. It's also about the man. And no I'm not a brady hater. I'll give you that fact that is the numerical goat! But by no means is he the best to ever play . Hes just one of the best of this era
with due respect to Brady, he couldn't carry Montana's dirty jock...the guy plays in the softest era in league history..there are more physical games of two-hand touch being played by kids in the schoolyard than in Brady's soft era.. you have Montana, the Greatest of All-Time and the rest of the Hall of Fame/All-Time Greats not even close..
Look at the drop off in offensive stats for the Patriots in 2008 vs 2007. And that was with an EASIER schedule. You don't know hat you're talking about.
