Daniel Kahneman and Yuval Noah Harari in: 'Global Trends Shaping Humankind', a conversation moderated by Kara Swisher. This session was a part of the 2021 Nexus Online Summit, organized by the American Friends of The Hebrew University.
I love how modest they both are in the introduction 😆. Daniel is like "now I don't teach anymore". Oh yeah, and also you changed the field of Economics as a psychologist with a single paper and you're a Nobel prize winner!
tbh i've been confused why Daniel has been lauded for making the same criticisms of orthodox economics that anarchist and socialist economists have been making for years. i read Thinking Fast Thinking Slow the whole while wondering what all the fuss as it all seemed pretty self evident. Perhaps it is because his influence has been so pronounced as to have seeped naturally into my education. I am aware that he has been publishing academically for many decades so i can only presume this to be the case.
Thank you, internet, for allowing us to hear these three people talk for free. (I know that Yuval Noah Harari will say that it's not "free" as we are giving them our info and resources, but yeah...)
Growing up in Japan where children (and adults) are told and taught ‘‘Silence is Golden (and Beauty)”, it is still amazing and at times overwhelming to witness the empowering and free-flowing conversations by prominent intellectuals and deep thinkers!! Deep appreciations for the engaging and stimulating conversations by the prominent thinker of our time!!
What a dumb statement. How much is your phone again? Your phone service monthly cost? Your electric bill? Your internet service on top of THAT? All that BEFORE getting to all the data mining available by your using RU-vid and the advertisement forced on you unless you're willing to pay for that too. What an ignorant comment.
"I want to congratulate and thank Kara for moderating this talk so effectively. Her witty intelligent insights and contributions added immensely to this interview. I hope to see more female role models like Kara taking on intellectually heavy topics." Michael Flanagan
I think I'm the luckiest person on earth. Listening to my two favorite thinkers discussing their insights about humanity for free from where I'm currently living is the greatest thing happened this year.
The global trend of US hegemony is past. US is going down the pan, Chinese social economy will replace western capitalism. The covid pandemic has accelerated the process.
except it's not free is it, well you give your data to google via youtube but yes in the sense that you are not explicitly paying for this particular content with hard cash then yes you can call it as "free"
@@bhismakoirala3840 Google coding was developed by US military, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using public funds and given for free to google. Google was never free in the first place.
What I see here is, Yuval enjoying every word of Daniel and Daniel soaking in every word of Yuval. They are both enjoying, grasping new things from one another, and are very open-minded. Two of the most humble people in the entire cosmos.
That was my exact impression! I was very impressed by both of them separately, now I'm impressed even more seeing how they collaborate, share the ideas and opinions.
Oh wow. It doesn't get much more of a treat than this. Thank goodness we live in such times when one can access such greats for free, at one's convenience. I will definitely enjoy the next 1h30 :) greets from Bucharest, RO!
Joanna Tekin: much of humanity does! An excellent and highly efficient source of protein. It's the " noise" that prevents use in societies not doing so.
@@meganisaac5702 We were talking about bugs in general, not a specific kind. In many parts of the world chitons are also eaten, but I'm unfamiliar with them and know nothing about their toxicity or otherwise.
I'm more optimistic about the future when I can watch a video with two of the greatest minds of our time giving us some of their wisdom for free on youtube. Thank you very much!
Yes, i noticed that as well. My interpretation is that he's just as fascinated by how Yuval talks about big ideas as we are. And in a sense, he's doubly impressed because Kahneman has had to give 'big idea' talks to explain his research and he's very good at it, but Yuval is on another level of connecting big ideas and making them accesible.
@@davidgoldstein7149 39:47 -- I think he's wondering whether or not to pop YNH's bubble. That guy is put on a pedestal and people seem to think he can do no wrong.
@@justgivemethetruth put on a pedestal..? as far as I can see he's an academic whose managed to do very well for himself by writing pop-science/history books and communicating them well to a general audience, while being entertaining and engaging. as far as I can tell he generally steers away from getting involved in whatever particular political or social shitfight which is going on at a given time these days as well, which I think is good. I'd be curious to know where your resentment toward him comes from?
@@paulcassidy4559 My "resentment" seems to come from you as it is entirely in your head. I have no resentment towards YNH at all. I have a couple of his books and I am hear listening to him and DK for over an hour. I disagree with some of his more wild, or speculative statements about AI and I admit I am less diplomatic about it than KS or DK. If you are curious as to my views just read my comments. There are as many positive as negative and in fact I highlighted some of his quotes as being very insightful, such as: 1:03:39 -- "The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari That was probably in this discussion the key criterion, explained perfectly, as to whether humanity can pull together. But one thing goes sort of get my goat, when someone says something critical of someone else's hero they feel they have to jump in and insult that person or attack them. Tell the truth, are you really curious as to where my resentment comes from or do you just hate anyone that you quickly categories as disagreeing with your hero and want to lash back, but you have to disguise it into some kind of passive aggression? I feel I am being a bit critical of YNH for the lack of rigor some of his comment on AI are subject to, but I do the same for Elon Musk and other people talk about AI like it's Colosus: The Forbin Project. Oh, and I get a bit tired of hearing how much better things are getting over time which I think is a meaningless measure ... which I expressed on other comments you didn't read.
Insightful, informative and thought provoking - an hour and a half well spent! Thank you Dr. Harari (eagerly awaiting your next book), Dr. Kahneman & Kara Swisher.
Well done. Both of you are great minds of our times. Stay blessed. Perhaps we need paradigm shift now... Thanks Yuval, thanks Daniel for sharing valuable ideas.
A section from a book by Israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari discussing lies told by Russian President Vladimir Putin was omitted from the Russian translation of “21 Lessons for the 21st Century." That part of the book was instead replaced by a section on U.S. President Donald Trump, a change made with the author’s permission.
Yeah, and my ice maker, blue tooth devices, car windows, HVAC, smoke detectors, etc. We're all wage slaving consumers. What makes this great is ability to follow their ideas, listen -- without thought disrupting, brain cell killing, grossly interrupting advertisements!!
Extremely thought provoking and insightful discussion. As the saying goes great minds think alike, it was humbling to see both Daniel and Youval have so much respect for each other while making their own perspectives clear and loud. Like the other commentators have said before me, I feel lucky to be in the times that we can enjoy such content ‘for free’. The sad part is while a vulgar song or some cheap prank video would have so many more millions of views and likes, the contents such as this get so limited views. My conclusion from this is, human rationally is still infantile and it needs to grow so much more in the times to come.
True, but not room or time for human consciousness to grow. @ - I've been too critical here of Harari, but this comment is absolutely brilliant. I've not heard it ever expressed so well. "The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari People need myths, but now all myths no matter how beautiful can be shot down so fast.
Seems like on one hand Yuval talks about people falling for a narrative but at the same time he is offering his own. Great conversation. One of the best I have seen.
@ - I've been too critical here of Harari, but this comment is absolutely brilliant. I've not heard it ever expressed so well. "The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari
Beautiful minds at work, extraordinary communication talent that made simple to follow their conversation on multiple layers. Thx to Kara Swisher that made it happen.
accept and embrace the fact that you don't really understand yourself. Stop being so certain and confident, be more curious and humble.. That's how we can live in a better world! Thank you Mr. Harari
I definitely like the ending part - from 1hr 26 min to the ending with - “know thyself.” Also I liked the part where Yuval Harari said to think of the worst powerful man in the world and find the way to address it by using technology/AI or else (related to our mind) It was quite a discussion where there was certain drive to share concerns/ ideas - pointing the direction we all may need to engage ourselves and get some inspiration, image, insight and act upon. Perhaps, Harari's expereience from his 45 days in vippasana meditation retreat and Daniel's interest in why we do what we do - had helped to bring such an interesting discussion for us to listen to. (BTW I thought I was quite amazed to read Ray Kutzweil 4-5 years ago, but this video was equally - actually, more powerful/ engaging me to realize what is at stake - and what we may do something about it - also at the level of each individual. Thanks you - Kio
Yuval.....in the noise of chaos, wisdom grows. But hidden in plain sight, unless listened to carefully. It never seeks limelight but works every moment to lighten life's lemons.
Amongst their many achievments and all the praise they are due, they are the authors of two of the books that have changed my life and the way I think (more slow than fast now hopefully ;) ). Thank you for making and broadcasting this conversation it was thought-provoking and exciting!
"The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari So true, people need myths, visions for inspiration, but today all myths no matter how beautiful can be shot down so fast that nothing has a chance to humanize us together.
Such an amazing treat to watch the two. Loved the dynamics between them. Kudos to Kara as well ! True, the future will change unimaginably and in ways we cannot foretell. Big data, AI and all inorganic ( whatever), present huge opportunities for creating positive changes, while at the same time pose major threats. I would think Regulation would have a critical role to play here, in fuelling the best ideas and also keeping checks so mankind does not end up destroying itself.
The "elites" will be the regulators, the new tyrants. Our elected politicians will all be Yes Men/Women. When Einstein split the atom there was the same discussion about positive changes vs major threats, and the atom bomb won out. Harari is a transhumanist, a grave danger to all humanity. Listen to some of his rantings at the WEF, placing chips in children's brains etc.
Daniel made beautiful and strong observation out of yuval' s analysis that we of him doesn't represent whole WE and democracy won't survive on which human boast of.
@@mtumasz If you liked that one, you might enjoy "The End Of The MegaMachine" by Fabian Schiedler ... very similar but from a more political and practical point of view, but also more of a reframing history book. Brilliant.
@@justgivemethetruth thnx 4 the tip - the introduction got my attention but I disagree with the author on the importance of debating history or counting seconds on an imaginary clock:-P
I am big fan of daniel kahne man. I wish to see him live a lot of longer to listen to him. I read sapiens and few of some works of yuval, which really made me think about past present and future . The two greats I am grateful to listen to.
I loved the point Yuval made at the end... that tech innovators should ask is...what would the politician I most dislike be able to do with my invention...if it is not good...think again about how to make it better.
This reminds me of what Daniel said in Fast and Slow about an exercise to be made just before your team is about to agree on a decision. It went something like: "Imagine a future, where this decision has had horrible consequences. What happened and why?" I think it's one of the best advices to combat group think and its super nice to see that Yuval has such a similar method of pushing the powerful ones to think about the unwanted consequences of their actions.
@@MiraMelodie what is it in Yuval’s or Daniel’s remark that makes you think they’re understanding is naive? I mean they both either work or have interviewed the top management teams of tech giants.
1:26:07 - This is really interesting. Yuval Noah Harari talks about his interest in poetry, or maybe it's religion or myth making, or inspirational idea, if he could not do what he is doing today, because the thing that has had the most affect on human behavior are the myths we resonate with. That is a really beautiful and amazing thought. This has turned out to be a great discussion. Really appreciate it.
Whenever I suggest that the greatest human desire is not "love" but "self-worth," the defensiveness that is next witnessed is downright scary. But it is as true as is the dreams that get us out of bed every day, and also proves why Daniel is spot on right @ ~ 25:00 when he says "UBI" is a fantasy.
“The key problem is that the truth is very often first complicated than some fanciful story somebody invents and secondly it’s very painful, most people don’t want to know the truth about themselves as individuals or as collectives”
39:47 - Nailed it .... Kahneman is amazing ... I love the guy, he really sees clearly and cannot be distracted. And those powerful groups of people acting in their own self interests are lazy and do not want to be bothered to value the rest of us any more than the European settlers put any value on Native Americans or African slaves ... or anyone anywhere else in the world.
Thanks for bringing together two great intellect of our time and helping to understand macro and futuristic issues of the world beyond constant “noise” that we are bombarded all the time.