Political philosopher and author, Michael Sandel, in conversation with Yuval Noah Harari. This conversation was organized by Penguin Random House and was originally recorded at the Guadalajara International Book Fair 2020.
I read books of two professors in Korean. Now I am reading them in English. And, that is why I start to study English again at 42. I really envy people who are good at English. Because they can understand the professors efficiently. I assure you, next year I will make sure I understand 100%.
I often think about all the poems and all the songs, all the books and all the movies that i have not been able to fully enjoy because of the language barrier. But ignorance is bliss as they say!! Good luck on your resolution, would you mind updating me on your progress?
Good luck dear friend! I know that feeling! Some 20 years ago, I had thought the same….. how good would it be if I could exactly communicate my thoughts and feelings in English. Because non fluency kept me from saying several things I wanted to. And saying just the bare essentials isolated me from my colleagues; they thought I was no fun to be with. Reading English books by referring to dictionary all the time, also killed the continuity and pleasure of reading. But now I enjoy reading English books than the ones in my native language. Writing everyday has helped me a lot. It gave me the freedom to edit till I am happy with its construct and clarity, and time to find the exact words etc. Slowly that clarity reflected in my speech too. And…. I used to see movies too. Happy to hear your one-year-resolution. Hope you achieve it. Good luck!!! 💪💪💪❤️
Good for you. When, however, people feel relief, rather than, let's say, interest, fascination, respect, etc, when in the echo-chambered, mutual-admiration society of, indeed, impressive minds, who are cushy, elite profs who represent only part of the "thought," that's one of the problems.
@@wescolumbus621 1st comment from a critical thinker. 🙏 I know of Sandel from Dr Lyell Asher talking about him in his mind blowing presentation called 'How Colleges are Becoming Cults on Peter Boghossian's YT channel.
it's an incredible conversation! I could go out and stop people on the street asking them to watch. Many people need to have access to this ideas, point of views. Thank you!!!
I really liked when Michael asked Yuval about making Sapiens into a graphic novel, and why. This was quite subtle but highlights the problem Michael is trying to tackle. I highly respect both thinkers and admittedly have been following both down their respective rabbit holes at different times and forgot about the other. I'm going to take this and try to think of what both are trying to say and see how they overlap simultaneously.
It's like Yuval alluded to: people are bottom feeders. We'd rather watch a Tik Tok video than spend nearly an hour and a half listening to two older men talk to each other in seated position (especially the 125 people that gave it a thumbs down as of 7/18/21).
Actually, like that idea,distribution of services that are needed and therefore should be provided is the ideal of the socialism. So BI is controversial because it allows using money to be accepted without any question, thinking. We actually should care about the sharing of services, not money. So we can say Yuval extract a good idea from socialism.
XXXXX @Rita Gerard BE SERIOUS, IF WE ARE INFORMED, THEY UP TOP, DON.T HAVE.T EASY! WE ,MUST BE IN STUPIDITY AND IN BIG NO.S, TO LET THEM PROFIT FROM US, THE CONSUMERS! DID U C THE OLD MOVIE:"THEY LIVE"!??
@@ritabruce5159 ,u did not get her point!?? , yes, is not food, but she wan.s to know as well, here.n Europe, is consideret a humanright to be educated, not only to highschool, but till we can stay in univerisity! U call that college!
Thank you for a great conversation; shading light on Education and persuasion, the importance of values to a democracy and why manipulation is counterproductive. On the one hand we have Politics and Economics, and on the other we have Science. We can make a better arrangement to transform a culture for Humanity through Recognition , Honour and Esteem which are an integral part of Society.
I am so impressed by and like Yuval's idea of Nationalism that enables us to help and love each other in huge number beyond physical possibility, such as whom we will never bump into in the course of our life. It is exactly the sense our society has lost in Japan.
As with all Americans no matter how brilliant, they somehow can’t seem to take the discourse beyond their country... And as with intellectuals from outside of America so wonderfully shown by Yuval’s discourse here, are more globally aware and encompass the US as part of a whole and not just treat it as a whole ...and Sandel was clearly lacking a bit there ... brilliant talk as always ..
They're both paradoxically missing the insight of what most historically and still promenantly drives American Capitalism, it's American culture, and that stems from a simple concept. America is for now and has been a place for "dreamers" from anywhere to gather and do their thing more openly, more freely, and with less tax and restriction than from anywhere else. This simple freedom to gather among fellow adventurers the desire for which 70 million not all white populist voters can still relate post election compels what on the surface to a globalist seems myopic, and narcissistic. But, for no better WHY is there in the American capitalistic archeological record than America's love of gambling and lottery, where everyday on some new and hopeful chance you're a new millionaire, not just for the wealth or fame of it, but the honor and respect as Yuval knows well that comes with the prize. And since politicians lay bedfellows to the promise of equality in democracy, with the hope comes the well paved downsides of capitalism''s wealth and consequential social inequalities levels below no Party leader or wealth tax can ever change in my view. We carelessly forget Las Vegas can make you rich, but it's still surrounded by a desert.
@@RJay121 I got lost in what you were trying to say. Then I read: "We carelessly forget Las Vegas can make you rich, but it's still surrounded by a desert." That's great. Perhaps you could have just said that?
It's very possible that, rather than lack of perspective, what we're watching is very careful language from the brilliant American prof. in what is an increasingly silencing academy and culture.
@@wescolumbus621 OK I could agree. But what little sense to dodge away from a the most fundamental historical and initiating driver behind the secular colonial conquest of America. The 1619 Project debate today for example puts money and creed as founding fathers. Considering the contemporary issues little has meaningfully eliminated that view entirely, but like religion the book is always better than the movie. But who reads anymore lol.😂. I welcome your reply
@@wescolumbus621 yeah that is possible ... it is very clear that woke culture” from the extreme left seems to be taking over the whole of Western and alarmingly American Academia. We do get the feeling that anything that moves even slightly away from the far left ideological narrative is being silenced. Maybe you are right there.
One of the most interesting interviews I watched on RU-vid. Two minds met for intellectual conversation in an academic discussion that is broadcast live to anyone interested in learning. Thank you Yuval. I look forward to the next interview.
What an intellectually stimulating discussion! I have much respect for both speakers. I like the fact that they’re talking about how to spread the scientific and philosophical discourse to a broader audience. That’s what academics should really think about. I wish more people would watch this!
The power of wholesome and thoughtful discourse and debate on full display. Thankfully we have still have access to minds and thinking of these exemplary role models. Thanks to all who make this possible.
What a wonderful conversation. Thanks for sharing. An absolute pleasure to hear the great minds of our century exchange ideas in a dignified atmosphere.
What a privilege to hear this conversation at the comfort of my home. Gives me hope for humanity to hear intelligent, respectful, argumentative discussion to ponder even further. Thank you!
Wonderful discussion gentlemen... and a discussion which finished on a knife-edge. You guys have to get together again and continue your discussion on the point at which you finished. I look forward to that day. Thank you both, for taking the time to explore the issues you covered and for posting this video, so that we (the viewers) could benefit.
This is terrific. Does my heart (and mind) good to know that discussions like this are going on somewhere! Us humans could be heading for the cliff, which would be tragic when such good sense and knowledge exists among us. Thank you Yuval and Michael!
Thank you so much sister Lucile Woodward for your appreciation to me and my comments We need to change ideas with learned friends around the globe blessings
This is indeed an excellent analysis. For over a decade I have been contemplating new concepts for an authentic democracy. This brings all sectors on board to help in defining an ethos and ensuing approach for governance of a nation. Power no longer resides with any individual or political party but with an assembly of genuine representatives who deliberate and ultimately vote on best policy. This has resulted in a recently completed book "Democracy - a new beginning" - deadly serious but for a general readership. I am an Emeritus Professor of Physics at a UK university and hopefully have been able to bring some new thinking to the dilemmas and weaknesses of Western democracy, that both of you articulate so well.
Wonderfull conversation. Thanks to both. Yuval, You know what is what is common happening in Brazil, Peru, Australia, Europe, USA , Israel....? Is rapid change. We are living in times of huge rapid change due to new technologies. I think there are people that are more resistant to change than others ( maybe biological reasons), but they are going to buy the stories that tells them ""they are trashing our traditional values""
Thank you for this wonderful conversation with Michael Sandel. I have recently read his new book and found it very enlightening and helpful towards understanding the dynamics of the present left/right orientation of the citizens of the USA.
Thank you both for sharing this interesting conversation! I think that Michael's opinion about what caused the wave of populism very insightful. In my view, left-wing populism is also popular in some countries and is also associated with the feeling of resentment and lack of place in the neoliberal economy. For example, in Ukraine, we have a leftist populist government. Their popularity is based on leftist ideas such as fighting oligarchs, stopping the war, ending poverty, inclusivity for Russian-speaking population. They don't mention LGBT or migrants at all since it is not even part of the widespread discussion in society. But, otherwise, I think they play on the exact same feelings of the working people who feel robbed by wealthy oligarchs.
Great going Yuval, instead being interviewed and repeating the same thing again, you decided to pick like minded intellectuals and discuss important issues. Wonderful 👍
Thank you very much Yuval for sharing this excellent conversation with Michael! I'm from Brazil, and I partly disagree with what you said. I do not have pet parties or politicians, I do not believe there is a good side and a bad side, I believe that unfortunately there are people who are not looking for the good of the population (even if this is the "flag they carry"). I do not know how much Yuval you have been following the political scenario in Brazil, but I ask that you do not build your discourse based purely and simply on the press. I would like to suggest that you do conversations like this with Brazilians to better understand the sides and the real situation.
Big fan of both here. I have Sandel’s picture on my wall and Yuval’s books on my shelf. Two points: 1. The first part of the conversation from Sandel’s position was rooted in the American society, and since Yuval hasn’t been immersed in this situation much, this big system of problems was a bit hard to convey. 2. A lot of what the philosopher and the historian are talking about are about psychology, or the human mind. For example, why could resentment of foreigners possibly be traced back to social/economic inequality? Why tribal agreement on solidarity could come before agreement on facts and science (Sandel’s point)? These are nowhere near rational problems, because we are dealing with the human brains where rationality only takes a small part. We need to bring Kahneman and Sapolsky here.
Absolutely. I get the sense that Yuval is flailing about for answers and in many cases is actually obfuscating the issues. I don’t find him clear-minded enough.
This is such an important conversation. I can only hope that 1 politician in 100 would listen and take note at very least. We cannot fix everything, and nor can politicians. What we need is for those who hold a mandate to act with accountability and with care. They are paid by the public to make certain decisions on our behalf, not based on our 'consumer-style preference' but taking a long-term view and dealing with what is urgent. It goes beyond party politics.
I wish I could understand all of the topics they spoken. Unfortunately my English still not enough to understand these magnificent people. Peace and love to world. 😊
I deeply honour and admire these two thinkers! YET, it feels like they have one very big difference: while Prof. Sandel approaches the matter from the US and the West perspective and current situation, while Prof. Harari tries to understand why it is so global, despite many differences between the West and the rest of the world, so to speak. Am I missing something?
No. Yuval is more of a philosopher than Sandel is so takes on an Everyman perspective. I wasn't impressed with Sandel, to be honest, but I think Yuval has it exactly. His last two points were spot on.
@@rainmanjr2007 I have listened to Sandel's lectures on political philosophy. He does consider himself as a philosopher, but I definitely agree on the fact that Yuval has better touch with what's going on globally and makes very relevant points.
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Such a great conversation. Both Michael and Yuval are a gift to humanity. I am very curious to know more about what Yuval talks about at the very end, where he mentions that technology in modern times is a danger to humans...Time is running out as he says.... and we will lose as humans in the end, if we allow algorithms and AI to take over. Will be interesting to hear more about this in another conversation.
Really phenomenal insights into democracy, threats to it, populism. Making us to realize the need of learning different discourses together, and to relate them to current scenario. Fully of wisdom,a guideline, a motivation and making everybody to get involved to learn and contribute towards "common good".
Dr. Sandel says center left’s emphasis on education to succeed combined with income / economic inequality is driving people to the right. However, I found him avoiding Harari’s question on entanglement of other elements like anti-immigrant, anti-lgbtq, race bias, and other sentiments that are more prominent among center right. And to Harari’s point, it’s not just an American phenomena. This is true with most of the nations he mentioned - Brazil, Israel, Turkey, India…..
