Vielen Dank! Wieder viel gelernt. Einem Profi bei der Arbeit mit echten Bildern auf die Finger zu schauen ist genial. Und danke auch für die Kommentierung der Gedanken, die hinter den Bearbeitungsschritten stecken, das steigert den Lerneffekt nochmal.
This has opened up so many alternatives for black and white conversions. I will revisit some of my images and see if I can improve them. I need to watch this over again maybe several times to take in all the possibilities. Thank you for a very useful video.
Really useful and thought provoking on the way you use the modules to bring out contrast. I use colour to guide how I convert black and white but never thought of using extra saturation to create contrast before desaturating! Also to use more masks to enhance areas, which I do use, but not to this extent or in these ways. Very helpful. Thanks very much.
AWESOME video for using Darktable for black and white conversions. I switch from Capture One Pro to Darktable not too long ago. AWESOME program. PLUS, you have a new Subscriber.
Thank you Biran. I am glad that darktable is useful for you. At the same time, this is also a great praise for the developers of this software, who do this for the most part voluntarily and make it freely available to everyone. And thanks also for subscribing. That motivates me all the more to continue.
Thank you Boris, this episode was inspiring. You explained the workflow very well. If your free time allows it, an episode with the new Darktable 3.8 modules would be awesome. It would be interesting to see how to create soft contrast in scene-refered Workflow without Bloom or Lowpass module.
as mentioned before, very inspiring way to stack and reuse darktable modules. Inspiring in the sense that you convey very well the whole idea of experimenting. Many thanks for that. One question. Is there a reason for leaving filmic on top of the modules used? In my mind, if filimic is so much color science oriented, then, having it downstream in the pipeline, after the image has been desaturated, defeats it purpose. Does this make any sense?
Yes its basis is modern color science, but its function is to map the dynamic range of the photographed scene (RAW image) to the dynamic range of the display. That's why it's high in the pixelpipe. In the future, when all modules are adapted to scene-reffered workflow, it will be at the end of the pixelpipe. Its main feature is that it protects colors and contrast in the mid-tones, recovers the shadows, and compresses bright highlights and dark shadows. If it doesn't get colors, it doesn't have to protect colors.
fist of all - thanks for all your magnificent videos. I really learn a lot from understanding the process of different modules appliances. A technical questi0n if possible , how do you move modules up ? dragging doesn't work for me ... and if not to complicated to explain , what is the reasoning into putting one module over another?
Thank you Luciana! Keyboard shortcut is ctrl+Shift and drag with left mouse button. As for the movement of the modules, the question is whether you know the logic of the hierarchy (so-called *"pixelpipe"*) of the modules? According to this, the result of the module *lower* *in* *the* *hierarchy* is the starting point for the next module *higher* *in* *the* *hierarchy*. For example, the "Exposure" module is hierarchically lower than the "Color Calibration" module. When I increase the exposure, the color calibration module gets this "brighter" image as an input for its processing. The result of the color calibration module then goes to the higher module, like, for example, "color balance rgb". With color balance rgb module I can then increase the saturation and color contrasts of the image. I want to use this improvement for the conversion to black and white. But since the black and white conversion is done with the color calibration module and it is hierarchically lower than the color balance rgb module, if I would have done the conversion with this instance, the color balance rgb module would have gotten only the grayscale of the image. So I could not use this module to improve the color contrasts first before doing the conversion. So, I leave the first instance of the color calibration module where it is and use a new instance, which I then move over the color balance rgb module to do the conversion AFTER the color balance rgb module. You can read the parts about module hierarchy here: docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.8/en/darkroom/pixelpipe/the-pixelpipe-and-module-order/
By the way, you can see the hierarchical order of the (active) modules in darkroom in the second tab "active modules" on the right panel. This order is predefined and goes from bottom to the top (last one is "output color profile") and every time you activate a new module, it will be automatically placed in its predefined position.
@@s7habo Boris, thank you so much for taking the time to specify. This is much clearer to me now and will for sure make a big difference in my work. Thanks again.
Thanks for the great video! Do you happen to know why my attempts at black and white conversion would result in a final image with a noticeable blue-green tint? I've tried Darktable 4.4.2 and 4.6.0 and using either the Monochrome module or the Gray tab of the Color Calibration module I don't get a true grayscale result (red channel values are maybe 90% the green and blue). This is with new/unedited photos on a fresh install of Darktable. The only way I have found to "fix" it is to manually move the conversion (Monochrome module) above the "Output color profile", but thumbnails in Lighttable still appear blue-green.
@@s7habo Will do! I couldn't find any similar bugs mentioned, so I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something silly. Thanks again for all the videos you make!
Thanks! Excellent. The participants are all ready to do an advanced course. I am thinking about how to make this happen given the circumstances (COVID). This pandemic is just boggling me right now.
@@s7habo Interesting to see your style...much different than most of the posts on this recent thread....you might inspire some with you versions.... discuss.pixls.us/t/b-w-with-filmic/28650
