Marr is what the Sith don't want to be. When Sith become like Marr the cease to be Sith. He contradicts fundamental Sith philosophy. I wouldn't even call him a true Sith. He hated the selfishness, elitism, hunger for power and need for domination of the Sith, despite the fact that these attributes are the basis of what makes someone a Sith. That's why he adopted parts of the Jedi code into his personal philosophy ("There is no death, there is the force.") which made it possible for him to become one with the force. Something, no true Sith could ever achieve. This makes him the only "Sith" for whom the phrase "The Force shall set me free." ever became reality.
@@darthbane5357 No, you were sane. Ruthless, but sane. Even teaching Zannah that killing had to be for a purpose, not for baseless pleasure. Hell, you built an order that allowed the Sith to survive and have their revenge a 1000 years later.
@@seb0rn739 He's very much a Sith, just not in the vein of a narcissist like Vitiate or a social climber like Baras. His philosophy was essentially finding strength and purpose through battle/war and he wants the Empire to become the embodiment of that idea. Similar to how Jadus wanted to "democratize fear" to non-Sith so that the Empire would learn to grow stronger through hardship and suffering. Both of them were very apathetic towards the power games of their peers, seeing them as nothing more than a hindrance to what they viewed as "evolution". In short Marr was a blood knight, that's why he respected those he viewed as warriors and isn't afraid of death as doing so would only deprive him of his passion.
@@shaevizla If Darth Mar was a Sith (by philosophy) and followed the dark side, he wouldn't have become a Force ghost. Only followers of the light side of the Force can achieve that. In other words, Marr is a light-side Sith which is probably the reason why he genuinely wasn't interested in the power games of his peers. Yadus on the other hand was directly involved in the power games and backstabbing within the Empire. Just another typical Sith trying to get his way no matter the cost. Malgus was the same.
Darth Marr bowing his head to Satele and actually calling her by her title, god this guy is a badass. Most sith would have mocked her arrogantly, Marr is so well written.
That's what makes a lot of Old Republic Sith so interesting, due to throwing the less traditional Sith Lords that think outside of the basic villain point of view.
@@user-mf5qu9qt1c and basically all the sith who think this way are warriors. The Sith warrior died off after the rule of two was implemented as the rule of two played more of the selfish and deceitful sith personalities, and left little room for respect and honor.
@@mikeburner7406 well, I kinda wish that there were more Sith of this type, because they are not your typical villains, they are dedicated to the Dark Side, but also to the government they work for /rule, making them way more interesting due to the fact that they focus on their responsibilities in controling the government given to them and have to serve in patriotic manor for the interest of their people as well, something we rarely see from a villain.
That's why I play mostly Empire. First I started with the classical darkside Sith (because why not), but then I tried lightside Inquisitor and neutral Warrior and suddenly the stories are a lot more interesting. The Empire also has one of the best stories in the game. Imperial Agent. And if you don't play darkside Bounty Hunter, but choose the mandalorian way, it becomes more interesting aas well. Whereas with the Republic, you're always the stereotypical hero (Jedi), the propaganda (Trooper) or the wannabe Han Solo who flirts with everything he gets his hands on.
Marr is one of the only sith lords I really respect. He's not disrespectful when talking to Satele Shan and he's able to listen act level-headed. Easily one of my favorite sith to ever exist.
Nah Vowrawn is a arrogant prick. Entitled, rich and traditionalist. With him as Emperor the Empire is gone. Acina is a opportunist and loves to control everything. I think the latter is better for the empire. Its sad that Marr is gone bc he was one of the few that could have led the Empire to greatness.
Too bad we only have him as a companion for a very brief moment. Imagine the "Incursion on Korriban" and "Attack on Tython" with Darth Maar as your companion
You actually can! Restart the first chapter. Do no finish mission once you have marr. Exit. Go to flashpoint entrance for Attack on Tython with Marr. Profit I also did this and THEN started Makebb. Marr breifed Marr on Makebb then Marr help capture isotope 5 with me then we reported back to himself again!
"Confidence is not strength." "The Republic stands united while we bicker amongst ourselves." Marr really was the greatest leader for the Empire. He knew exactly what needed to change so the Sith could reach their full potential.
He was temporary emperor for a reason Of course I like Vowran as Emperor but if he decided or selected as emperor An empire would’ve become lot prosperous
Pragmatic and Level Headed yet not compromising the essence of the Sith. Standing for his own virtues and refraining from xenophobic, sadistic or psychotic behaviour. Intimidating but fair in his dealings and capable of honouring his agreements and alliances while willing to lead from the front. He’s my favourite Sith Lord for breaking the mold whilst adhering to the tenets of his order and above all, holding something above his own selfish bullshit like practically every Sith leader in galactic history. A ruthless leader who acts for his people rather than his seat. Also his design is really sweet. It’s not overdone on the spiked intimidating armour and hood but enough to cut an imposing figure. Even when captive Arcann looks unimpressive next to him, as if the only thing keeping Marr from turning his captor into his victim is his shackles. And he went out with a passion, unafraid of death unlike the monster he spites with his last breaths. Proud, defiant and unbroken.
I wouldn't say that he obeyed the tenets of his order. In fact, I would say that he (and Lana for that matter) contradicted Sith philosophy in many points and even adopted Jedi teachings which made it possible for him to become one with the force (as the only "Sith" ever). He realized that true freedom and eternal life cannot be achieved through the Dark but through the Light. He may have referred to hisself as "Sith" but he wasn't really one. Good for him! It only makes him more badass.
@@seb0rn739 The Sith order without subtext doesn’t necessarily call for the amount of backstabbing and outright sadistic behaviour most Sith indulge in. I believe Lana says this at some point to Gnost Dural I think. The Sith Code is up to a lot of interpretation that way, only finding loopholes to NOT be a waste of primordial soup is the exception rather than the norm.
He didn't die. There is no death, only the force. He is the only Sith who accepted this truth and became one with the force and thereby truly immortal.
I mean, Marr actually respected the Jedi. Not to mention that he believed that the Sith Order should be reformed into a less of a power hungry organization where everyone goes for himself, but into a patriotically built, with new Sith being interested in serving the pure and it's interest, rather then personal goals.
@@user-mf5qu9qt1c I think it could be done. The most powerful Sith don't get corrupted by blood lust and their emotions. A true Sith is free from everything that may hold them back which includes stuff like empathy. The top Sith usually have self control. If these Sith were all to enforce unity the bottom being the lords and even lower couldn't ever hope to unify against the Darth's and the dark council. Heavy propaganda and patriotism would ensure that a lot of the weaker Sith would probably get caught up in the idea of a unified Sith. Sabotage and infighting should be punished with a tortured death. I think you can bring a lot of them in line. You just have to be careful who you pick into the dark council and make a Darth in general. Sith like Marr, Malgus, Revan, Plagueis, Tyrannus, (he did want to go against palpatine but that was purely because the rule of 2 dictated he should) ,Nox, Talon, scourge, acina to name a few. These are all Sith especially if you change Sith culture into what I said it should be that would be capable of working together because they are not idiots who are ruled by their emotions or blood lust. All of these Sith have either showed willingness to genuinely work together or were fiercely loyal to someone or the Sith as a whole.
@@DarthMarr2009 just because he respects his opponents doesn't mean it's not a Sith material. It makes him a noble and practical warrior, something Sith value. He won't underestimate his opponents and thus ain't going to pull Palpatine "Let a whole starship fly into the reactor of a Death Star" mistake.
23:32-23:28 I love Marr's level headedness, but the passion that he shows in this scene is so intense, it's a severely underrated scene in my opinion. The only other scenes I can think of him coming this close to being so memorable are his responses to when the SW & SI defeat their respective masters, as well as his declaration against Revan on Yavin 4 and when he finally stands up to the Emperor right before he is killed by him. Best Sith ever!
I'm sure Marr would've been extremely frustrated with the New Dark Council. If anything, he might’ve joined the Alliance simply because they were getting things done.
He had served his purpose in the story and it was his time to die to make way for the new dark council, with the sith inquisitor player, Acina, and Vowrawn being the only ones who remain from the old council, with the sith inquisitor player being the last orthodox sith on the council, if you choose to be orthodox that is, otherwise none remain, this is to show that the old sith empire doesn't exist anymore, this is the new empire, a friendlier, less hateful empire (I know you're technically the leader of the hand but as Acina has said, the council is only there for looks, the only ones who hold any actual power is the empress and the player)
He didn't die. There is no death, only the force. He is the only Sith who accepted this truth and became one with the force and thereby truly immortal.
It didn't. He didn't die. There is no death, only the force. He is the only Sith who accepted this truth and became one with the force and thereby truly immortal.
Yea really wish he lasted throughout that DLC at least. Maybe kill him off later on but would’ve been awesome to continue your partnership with him in that DLC.
@THE JOKER The Rise and Fall metaphor is in relation to the person place or thing. Such as the Rise of Rome meaning when it's at the height of their Power. And fall meaning he collapse or death of said power and or Empire. So by him falling was when he died and how he died. Force Ghosts don't really do much after their corporal form dies.
Marr is the one sith outside of the emperor who interests me the most, he's clearly to far gone into the darkside hence the armor and the rumors surrounding him but he proves that while he is evil it doesn't mean he can't be respectful he enjoys conversations with his enemies and genuinally takes interest in things but that being said as the video says he's pragmatic and first and foremost the sith empire comes first, but is more then happy to team up with the enemy to destroy a common threat (examples: the emperor, darth malgus, and revan)
I don't think he is really that evil and that these rumour about his armor are true. He isn't a true Darksider, like other Sith. He could be seen as a more Lightside inclined member of the Sith order.
@@seb0rn739 no, he is a genuine Sith. Free from all chains. Strong enough not to get corrupted by the dark side and his emotions like so many weaker Sith. He unlike palpatine for example probably before he became Sith was a true patriot. And because he doesn't get ruled by the dark side but rules it instead his whole personality doesn't get changed by it. He understands that the dark side is nothing more then a tool to get what he wants. Probably not even just the dark side but he probably sees the entire force as a tool ripe for usage. Uses the dark side to take power, but uses it just for what It is. A tool to elevate himself when necessary.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Being a Sith and being "free from all chains" are polar opposites. Sith are not free at all, they are slaves of their desires and fears. The Sith code is wrong. George Lucas actually designed it to be wrong. It is impossible to gain ultimate freedom by following the Sith code. Marr saw that and abandoned the Sith code. In his last moments he said that he didn't fear death, which goes against the entirety of Sith philosophy since fear of death is one of the greatest sources of power for Darksiders. Him becoming one with the Force proves that he wasn't a true Darksider. Only Lightsiders can become one with the Force and gain unlimited freedom and eternal life. It is absolutely impossible for Sith!
I was very dissapointed about his death, I expected at least an oportunity to show the overwhelming power of Valkorion, not just a simple lightning strike. I seriously thought he just knocked him down but he was still alive.
Well, DuduFilm made a bit of a an analyzing video and actually stated that in a way it did some Justice as Marr basically pulled out an Obi-Wan Kenobi move from episode 4, so we would never join Valkorian, even knowing that he can potentially one-shot us, as also it had a bit of a phylosophical point, from which Marr had actually won.
@@user-mf5qu9qt1c "It is you who fears death Valkorion. I do not. I WILL NOT KNEEL" I think Marr even admits he did not expect to become a ghost. But was surprised and realised the Sith Code has last line wrong. There is no death there is the Force.
@@balrok9959 he didn't said that he didn't expected it, but he always dismissed the Jedi Code, believing that it wasn't right, but he accepted some part of it's wisdom
He didn't die. There is no death, only the force. He is the only Sith who accepted this truth and became one with the force and thereby truly immortal.
@@Cipher_Nine Explain. Marr revels in the light side too he became one with the force later on and accepted peace when the Sith code states peace is a lie and there is only passion. Marr also allied with the Siths greatest enemies and betrayed the order to no function.
There are reasons he held his seat on the dark council as long as he did. He commands respect by being respectful. He understands his enemies well and recognizes strength. He is not so arrogant to dismiss things on principle. But he knows his own power. When he threatens and talks down to others. It is with the full weight of calculated confidence that he knows he could crush whoever it is. Pragmatism was more of a byproduct of the fact he was a patriot. He believed in the empire. Not the idol of the emperor. His adherence to the sith code was founded in a bigger picture than just selfish ambition. His ambition was to create the greatest empire... Not just political squabbling.
I love how Marr bows to Shateel. I wish I had finished the Revam storyline. I got to Yavin but I then reached level 70 so I instantly jumped to the Eternal Empire story.
I still think we should have had Mulgus instead. Before that stupid expansion that made him a villain, he was already established as the most level-headed and pragmatic among the sith, and we had a lot of interactions with him. Plus, it would have added a lot of drama to the alliance with Satele considering their long history.
Unlike Marr, Malgus is a true Darksider. He is the embodiment of what Marr hated about the Empire: Scheming, ambition, selfishness, hunger for power, elitism, or simply just Sith philosophy. Malgus would have acted completely differently than Marr and could never become a force ghost like him.
@@KingNazaru Someone can be reasonable and sith. Marr accepted peace and become one with the force which requires acceptance and peacefulness + light energy . The Sith code says peace is a lie, and they are dark side too which is obvious
god, now that the sequels are decanonized, i wished they do something with the yuuzhan vong wars, would like to see the empire and republic hand in hand
L'un des rares Seigneur Sith a conserver son siège au Conseil Noir. De la Grande Guerre Galactique jusqu'à sa mort au main de Valkorion, il était le chef de Sphère de la Défense de l'Empire (d'où pourquoi son décès a fait si mal pour l'Empire et la coalition), vers la fin il a même récupérer les sphères de l'offensive impériale et de la stratégie militaire. Résultat : le chef officieux de l'Empire qui aurait dû le rester.: Vitiate a disparu et Valkorion était trop occupé à contrôler de nouveaux hotes. Il a aussi reconnu Satele Shan comme son egale et a enseigné à ses côtés à l'Outlander pour qu'il vainc l'Empire de Zakel.
@@richietribe9487 The Galactic Empire is xenophobic and really racist to those who aren’t human. The Sith Empire allowed anyone to join and many have risen to the top under a Social Darwinist society. It doesn’t matter who sits in the Dark Council, human or not. However, both sides are negative because they supported slavery and oppressed many people.
It depends on whether your light side, dark side or neutral at the end of chapter 3 in the vanilla storyline. Light side inquisitors get named Darth imperius, dark side get named Darth Nox and neutral get named Darth Occlus
Yes they are. Marr is what the Sith don't want to be. When Sith become like Marr the cease to be Sith. He contradicts fundamental Sith philosophy. I wouldn't even call him a true Sith. He hated the selfishness, elitism, hunger for power and need for domination of the Sith, despite the fact that these attributes are the basis of what makes someone a Sith. That's why he adopted parts of the Jedi code into his personal philosophy ("There is no death, there is the force.") which made it possible for him to become one with the force. Something, no true Sith could ever achieve. This makes him the only "Sith" for whom the phrase "The Force shall set me free." ever became reality.
