Datto's reaction to the Into the Light reveal stream. 

My opinion has arrived

Sol Divisive are Darkness-aligned and loyal to the Witness so Vex could definitely show up.

the enemy density has to be through the roof for a horde mode like this tbh.

ADU or "Average Daily Users" is one of the common metrics of health for a live service. "Protect the ADU" indeed.

Just here to say "kinetic tremors + firefly" on a midnight coup is gonna go nutty. Thrall gonna have nightmares about that one for years to come.

My opinion about the synchronized leg cross has arrived

We did it boys, Destiny Zombies.

For a free experience, it's a great way to introduce a new gamemode during pre-expansion downtime. Weapons, social spaces, secrets, triumphs, etc are just neat bonuses.

Honestly don’t know what people were expecting. Into the light was never supposed to be a 30th anniversary sized update since they didn’t plan out the Final Shape delay and had little time to come up with something. In the end it’s a free update that comes with a horde mode. I know I'm gonna be farming a whole lot to get that god roll Midnight Coup and hopefully we see the return of Black Armory weapons.

“Yeah great”

They said, or they hinted that the taken were somewhere else doing something they were cryptic about it. And I think they said, at least this iteration was gonna be around probably up until final shape.

I just wish Bungie would make these things expandable instead of one off. Imagine menagerie never went away and new challenge types and rewards were periodically added to the mix. Imagine dares of eternity got new sections instead of the same thing over and over. They always make a whole new thing, let it play out and then dump the whole thing in the bin or just leave it in the game unchanged to rot on the vine.

Personally my issue with the old mod system wasn’t that i was complicated, but it was that i didn’t have over half of the mods. i would have to check in with Ada-1 and that got exhausting. maybe there was a more mainstream way to get mods that i wasn’t aware of because i was like 14-15

If this activity is well recieved and plays well, I could see this type of gamemode becoming one of the new core playlist activites. There is so much room to change different perks, defense options, enemy types and crossovers between the different factions, this could easily turn into something bungie can grow and develop

I think the mode is great to finally have and has good growth potential. The more personalized, the better. I like the suggestion of more rogue-like or customizable fortification options. Maybe bring back the reckoning-style armor sets: Defender set mitigates damage, Hunter set for increased damage against high value, a “builder” set that gives bonuses to acquiring scrap, and a specialist set for some future mini objective.

All of this probably could have been just one stream. This also heavily reminds me of Generator Defense from Halo Reach.

Would be cool if we could have this activity in the Eliksni quarter of the last city where the last encounter of Scourge of the Past used to take place

Hey man, on the note of build crafting the reason so many people didn't interact with the old mods very well previously was because they made only two mods available a day, on a random rotator, with some of the most important ones not showing up for months at a time and being completely inaccessible to most players who didn't already have them and inaccessible to literally every new player. And they also made them cost a resource that were locked behind limited amounts of daily bounties. They abused one of the most important aspects of endgame gameplay and used it as a daily login carrot on a stick with random results (and most of the time there was no carrot for anyone). We kinda shouldn't forget that.

I just opened RU-vid thinking "I wonder if dattos put out a video yet" "2 views 1 minute ago"

This sounds like the public event in the Dreaming City where you defend the mini tower, dunk recharges, and teleport to fight a boss. They added coil style “buy upgrades” to add turrets, etc, but mostly just looks like the public event with more adds in a different place.

My only complaint was that the stream was awkward, not rehearsed, and way too long. It literally should have been 30 minutes, should have included the weapon reveals as well, and then just... one and done. Doesn't need to be this much gameplay and repetitive talking about basically nothing. But the activity looks fun, I also kept my expectations low and am therefore not even a little disappointed. At this point Destiny is something I know only gets better at a slow pace, so I am looking to the new Episodes to determine if I will stay interested or not. And my hopes are moderately high....?

Possibly one of the MOST requested thing the D2 community has asked for (and rightly so given the delay of TFS) in the past few years; vast majority of chat responds saying "mid". I'm really looking forward to playing Onslaught, cos my ad clear builds are really gonna come in to their own. :) Also, ya know, HORDE MODE!

I hope this stays around or even develops past FS and doesn’t go into the vault come June.

I think bungie is definitely playing it safe while also adding something new. I am glad its new free content but i wish it would just be a newer space. i know its only one of the maps we have seen but we have no clue how many different places we will see either. Given bungies history of mostly reusing assets and spaces I'm skeptical but am very excited because even if the environment is reused, it is still something new. A play space i would really like to see would be something similar to the map encounter area from sotp or maybe the space under the tower that we briefly saw at the beginning of the red war. That has always been a gripe of mine about this game is that we haven't seen more of the tower and of that space in particular

I was at least expecting a new area and for the activity to actually _feel_ like the Last City is being invaded by a fleet of pyramid ships. You know, like what the concept art showed. But based on the gameplay footage, it looks like pyramid ships won't even be visible in the sky, and it just looks like a glorified public event. Instead of there being multiple enemy types at once, there's only one race per wave, and the enemy density is not at all enough to truly make you feel "Oh crap the city is being invaded". Shaxx also has reused voice lines from the Crucible, and you're not protecting civilians or anything that looks or feels like it's important to the City, instead you just protect a generator-looking thing you throw balls at, and you rotate in between 3 different points on the map every 10 waves. Basically, there looks to be a huge lack of spectacle. Story elements don't seem to be well-integrated with the gameplay, which will greatly harm the immersion of the activity as a whole and make it just feel like a training simulation than anything else. If this was just a random activity, it probably wouldn't be as big of an issue, but this activity is supposed to be us defending the Last City against a big fleet of pyramid ships, something we've anticipated for _years_ to happen. The power of an individual pyramid has shown to be enormous, so this should feel like and extremely pivotal part to the game's overall story. The stakes should feel really high, but it looks like it just won't feel like anything.

This seems like it should’ve been the season that came with lightfall instead of defiance. Thinking on it the witness entire fleet or a lot of it was at the traveller then when the witness leaves the ships just vanished and we the players instead fight shadow cabal that are taking human prisoners for some reason. Into the light has us fighting the witness forces in the city and take down bosses on pyramid ships like that makes sense the big leader is gone but his army is still here we gotta clean in the last city and take down some ships, but instead we had season of defiance which didn’t seem that connected like yea there’s shadow cabal in small bases but where’s the fleet of ships or the army in said ships. Everything looks cool gameplay wise and looking forward to the other streams having a horde mode finally is nice but form a story perspective this would’ve made more sense to happen earlier than defiance or instead of it

Excellent commentary, Dat!❤

The activity looks fine. I'm sure I'll have some fun with it. Wasn't expecting anything at all. So nice to have some new activity and loot.

I think the largest disappointment people (Hi, I'm people) are feeling is in regard to the setting, and I hope we get some settings that aren't just crucible maps/previously existing locations. I don't need to explore midtown, I have been exploring midtown for 7 years.

It's finally nice to see a Halo Firefight-esque mode make it back into Bungie's hands. While it's free for everyone, what really sucks is the reuse of a crucible map we've been playing since the D2 beta. If memory serves me right, we've played in a few Last City maps before during the Red War (and maybe some other) campaign that ended up being a really big section that was awesome to see for the first time, but was content that ultimately got taken away. While reusing content is always something the community has a love/hate relationship with, a game mode like this would have been a lot nicer to see in those environments we really only used once or twice for a campaign or end-of-season event (remember those?), and the criticism of recycled maps could have been a lot less. But for now, this seems okay enough to last until Final Shape.

Im ready for Esoterick to solo all the way to level 50

so basically it's Forge with an added ingredients.

Finally, Gambit now has crucible Maps

Midnight coup my beloved

I have 2 friends that just started recently, and I wanted to let them learn as they went without hand holding. We recently just got to the point where they are doing dungeons and raids. They had no semblance of a build, and were getting crushed. I helped them make one solar build each and it was night and day. Its a good example of how strong builds oriented play is even with similar skill level players.

Lets go! Finally I can have my thoughs on this

Seems alright, don’t think it needed its own dev stream. Seems odd to split this across 3

Datto : "first time doing a wave based thing" Archon Forge : D:

I went in with no expectations - was amazed

I loved horde in gears of war and liked it in the division. Going to be super fun to do the 50 wave one. Love this kind of stuff.

Just wanted to say that whether you think this live stream was good or underwhelming, I’m happy that they are doing these livestreams instead of waiting to release a trailer an hour prior to the updates release. At least this builds up some level of hype whether it’s a large or small amount.

Part of me was initially bummed that the maps are just crucible maps, but it does make sense to have our defense of the last city be set somewhere that feels familiar.

Went in with zero expectations and left somewhere in the middle. Rewards and how they make the grind fun will determine the success of this. Hoping for the best

Modified public event they came up with in the season of the Seraph. We added some stuff but don't forget to throw the ball at the thing! That will NEVER go away

Honestly, this just looks like it’s gonna be an enjoyable game mode. I know some people are mad because they got the thing we’ve been asking for, but I’m excited.

I'm actually super excited for this

To me this has the same feel as the April update from d1, it’s there to bridge the gap and the content within shows that. I think it’ll be a fun time while that gap closes and holds us till the final shape arrives.

Looking forward to this, finally a horde mode.

Can't wait for the error codes

This was above my expectations, given it’s filler content they came up to make up for the Final Shape delay.

This is a mode that I hope gets worked on and constantly updated. I would play this alot longer than I played Gambit. It wont get updated and will likely drop and exist but I think there is more potential here for something enjoyable for all player ranges

I was really thinking you were going to finish the sentence “I’ll play it until it’s not fun anymore” with “and then Jez will get round to wanting to do a video….”

I tuned out after like 7 minutes

If the enemies ramp up to gm level in later rounds I could actually see this getting really damn hard. In a gm you can choose the pace of engagements and progress at a safe rate for the most part, in fact the hardest parts of gm’s are infinite spawns from the battlegrounds where you have to progress an objective, etc. If the enemies are coming towards you instead, and you’re tethered to a single point you have to protect, I could see that being way harder than what most gm’s are right now. But we shall see, I’m somewhat excited.

You’ll probably never see this but you make me and definitely so many other people so so freaking happy when you discuss this game ❤

They did mention that there arengging to be other maps we play on, so we could totally see the city raid entrance as a spot, along with the traveler healing city section as well. (Makes sense since it looks like blacl armory weapons are coming back, since im oretty vlast furnace is bejng used bhy the warlock on the key art. The thing im most excited to see is bosses without hhealth gates. That seems like a healthy growth/adaptation of current boss fight styles and i hope thhey adapt over to it in the future practically wholesale. Also im super interested to see what the weapons we are going to get will be in full, and personally i hipe to see crafted versions or adept Versions. The only other thing left to wait and see if Solstice armor will be before or after the Expansion, because it might be tied into this event from the looks of it

I'm actually really looking forward to this. It looks fun to play, and I can't wait to see what weapons are coming next week :)

LMAO Danielle with the "show us your t*ts" in chat at 5:10 is amazing

I think the main event is pretty cool we’ve wanted a horde mode/tower defense for a while plus its free. The problem i think for most people is they hyped up the 3 live-streams featuring “new content” when it could be one trailer. But hey who knows maybe surprises along the way

I would make the comparison to 30th Anniversary and Dares of Eternity. Onslaught is to Into the Light what Dares of Eternity was to the 30th Anniversary. The difference is that the 30th Anniversary was at least somewhat planned (as well as paid)... and therefore had a somewhat longer development time. We also got a dungeon with the 30th Anniversary, something I am not at all expecting with Into the Light. I know we still have two livestreams to go, but the fact most of this livestream was gameplay, and solely gameplay of Onslaught in Midtown gives me the impression three livestreams weren't really necessary. Had they condensed the gameplay down to 10-15 minutes, they could've easily covered the entire update in a single livestream. I also have to comment on how formal and disengaged the livestream was. It felt more like a scripted dev update rather than an opportunity for them to talk with the players and gather feedback (that being said, the Twitch chat was rampant with people trolling and being extremely disrespectful, so I doubt how productive such a thing could actually have been, unfortunately). To speak on Onslaught specifically... I know the general consensus is that Onslaught looks more like a proof of concept, and is an opportunity for Bungie to explore horde modes more in the future (again a consequence of the short and unplanned development time). But as I said at the beginning, I see Onslaught more as a Dares of Eternity situation. Dares of Eternity is still in the game... but it hasn't exactly received supports or updates other than occasionally having more loot added to the pool. I do not expect Onslaught to receive any supports or updates after the launch of Final Shape. I'm not even convinced it will stick around once Final Shape comes out. The question then becomes if it is fun and engaging enough to last us two months. Alone? No. I don't think it is. But then again, we do still have two more livestreams that will hopefully give us reasons to want to keep playing Onslaught. Among some of the expectations I've seen from fellow players (and other content creators), I know people would really enjoy a community-oriented event. Something where players all work towards progress together. I think this is probably the best (and perhaps most likely), other thing we can expect to come out of Into the Light. The new missions on different worlds each week, I expect to be nothing more than an epilogue preparing us for Final Shape, or a recounting of our past triumphs. I can't say I'm brilliantly excited after the first livestream. A horde mode doesn't mean much to me when its in the same sandbox I've already grown bored of. We need the big sandbox update that will be coming with Final Shape, and it needs to seriously shake things up.

My expectations were low, but the gameplay was lower than my lower expectations.

“We don’t get hard enough content” “Also I am gonna dupe the batteries and use every cheese.” :/

I like the activity because supers and special- and heavywepons that are good for adclear seems like they can be useful again

i think lore wise to make it fit in. could pull something either with drifter or anyone else. and just say it’s either for training purposes or a simulation

That horde mode sounds like frontier defense from Titanfall 2. This might bring me back

cool idea in theory but doing it on maps we've playing for years and basic mechanics like collect sh*t then throw sh*t at other sh*t which we've also been doing for years, idk how anyone long time player is actually excited for this

I think it looks pretty good, its a good activity to pass time while we wait for final shape. I hope they bring back mor wepons than midnight coupe!

Datto: “Bungie’s gonna need to start exploring-“ Brim: “That’s a *big stretch.* ”

I went in with very low expectations, like probably a few one time missions and that's it. But them pulling a Gears of War 3 horde mode is great. GoW, for those who don't know, used to reuse PvP maps for a horde mode and it's some of the most fun I had in that game. My hope is this becomes a core activity and is scaled up with medals/more maps/more wave formations/constructs.

I have no idea why they split this reveal into 3 streams

For a free update I think this looks fine. We still have other streams, but this will be nice to play for a little bit and get some rewards and then wait till Final Shape. Nothing crazy, but It's a nice appetizer while we wait for the entree.

Solid thoughts. Honestly, overall, I'm genuinely excited for the update. I wasn't expecting much, and so getting something that genuinely looks enjoyable was a nice surprise. I hope the loot rumors going around are true because I want some of those guns back, but I'm also not going to be too bummed if something like Ringing Nail isn't there (even if that was my favorite weapon of all of D2 and I kick myself every day for deleting it from my vault.) I was half expecting just some deleted seasonal content to be thrown back into the game from the DCV and call it quits, but I'm glad to see something that is overall very new and unique. Sure, it's PvP maps, but eh, I care more about facing off against baddies with little objectives in between rather than if it was in Eternity or Midtown. In fact, I remember this exact idea being a pretty popular one in the Destiny subreddit, a wave-based gamemode where we clear out the PvP matches in enemy territories for Shaxx and his Redjacks. I loved the idea then, and I love it now still.

This seems cool but spending an hour to get to level 50 time wise not many will stick around for that for to long. They should bring back a few older strikes with this just so it freshens up the strike playlist and gambit map if the game size issue can accommodate it.

Im only disappointed that i have an objective in the horde mode, other than "survive, fight untilvyour last breath". I am hoping they add that, otherwise i will get bored incredibly quickly

I saw some people saying they were hoping all the sunset stuff in the game would come back in to the light and be playable again, weapons, raids, destinations, missions. Another person was speculating that this would be an activity where we go into the traveler and set up a forward base camp. I was expecting a seasonal activity and some reprised weapons. I was not disappointed with the reveal and thought it would be fun for a few days and then ill go back to other games and the occasional raid or GM

Im excited for this because now ill have a good way to test builds against enemies without having yo worry about the difficulty of the enemies not reflecting actually difficulty or fighting other players for kills to activate certain things!!!!!

Honestly I don't have any thoughts on the activity in q vacuum. My concern is why are we doing all this 2 month's from the final dcl of an epic 10 year story conclusion? Like, this is a ton of dev time and resources for a company that is stretched thin with a skeleton crew on this IP anyway. If Final Shape falls flat will we look back on this like "why even do this?"

Crazy idea here, how about they give us back the content we paid for like idk, 2 full campaigns, 5 raids, and several planets?

Might be time to log in again

About in line with expectations. I think id have preffered a bigger or few alternate maps reusing areas from scourge and the Red War. Look forward to the escalating difficulty. Im a casual player and getting to grips with solo coil and its rising difficulty really helped me get better & more confident this season (enough to finally solo my first dungeon). So i think a curve rarher than flat difficulty is a great way to keep in engaging. Looking forward to weapons next week (a little prayer for a Black Armory return!) and (stretch) hoping theres a second activity / returning something like whisper / zero hour in the third.

This needs to be a core playlist activity 100%. The replayability of horde modes is insane. Lets get an endless one please

It’s literally Gears of War’s Horde mode.. Calling it a “Horde Mode” is an understatement if anything.

Escalation Protocol was one of my favorite "horde mode" style of activities so I'm super pumped for this update. And Midnight Coup is back? Yes please ❤️

Ah finally i don t have to think for myself

I know it's probably very difficult if not impossible with the game's current architecture, but I really wish there was some kind of procedurally generated dungeon crawling mode, preferably set inside the pyramid ships. playing similarly to how the Coil works with ramping up difficulty, but it can go even further and have way more kinds of enemies, bosses and mini encounters. Like each floor is a small maze with rooms randomly pulled from a large library that guarantees at least 1 enemy, encounter, and boss room per floor, along with hidden chests that drop progressively more valuable items for exploring. Basically just put Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeons in Destiny lol.

The justification for it being 3 streams didn’t make much sense imo

The third livestream, I think will be about sandbox changes. The TWIDs have been teasing a lot of tuning and some vague changes to old content so we will have to see.

This genuinely sounds awesome for a brain turn off activity and to keep until final shape

at the end of the day it's a new fight to get some new loot and that's destiny in a nutshell and i'm looking forward to some mindless grinding for that good stuff 😋

My favourite is that it’s on Midtown, a map I’ve played 2,485,373,3737 times

Yeah imma get my crafted and bounce, probably. Either that, or I’m gonna get crazy sucked into this.

Looks fun in my opinion. Into the light kinda proves to me bungie wants to be better. Today’s reveal made me finally place my preorder

It is funny how the halo firefight was so much more hyped

love how they are getting a lot of stuff from warframe, first the SKATE and now the defenses mission, finally giving the game some variety.

this should 100% be a rogue like thing with wave on wave stat upgrades or loadout upgrades where you start off with one weapon and gain access to more and more abilities etc as rounds increase

NEW OPINION JUST DROPPED 🗣

Need new maps so bad. Looks fun, but would love to be in a new play space.

It was nice to see Fallout hosting this first stream, he did a great job!

I'm happy to see the new activity, Def a reasonable update given the circumstances. But just feel like it's worth noting that this looks like Black Armory Forges Lite. Not every enemy drops a ball, but the ball needs thrown into the objective.

Yes coil 2 horde mode electric boogaloo is here. Also instead using pvp maps they should have used the old assets from D2 vanilla and open up access a bit more to the last city then people wouldn’t really be complaining of the maps.