My main problem with the movie is the fact that you have a storyline dealing with gorr the god butcher, thor wanting to figure out who he is, and Jane dealing with cancer....and you wanna make it a comedy😒
comedy and tragedy are not that far from each other on the emotional scale. comedy is typically over the top tragedy. that’s why self depreciation is so big in comedy scene. people who think it has to be one or the other are glued to their biases and struggle to give into stories because they’re criticizing the story before they even allow the story to begin to be told. most people don’t walk into movie theatres without expectations on sequels / trilogies etc, they already have too many high hopes so they end up ruining the movie themselves. people say they don’t have bias for movies but that’s often just a white lie they tell themselves. the problem isn’t marvel, the problem is people already consume too much media and have twisted ideas of what’s standard
The point David brings up around 46:34 is the most glaring thing most people don't notice when it comes to "corporate diversity". You can make all the Bridgertons you want, cast Jodie Turner-Smith as Anne Boleyn if you want, but at the end of the day, casting People of Color in these type of stories with these types of settings doesn't make the story less White. They're still very Eurocentric stories and settings that it don't don't matter how many Brown or Black faces you have on screen, it's still a very "White" story you are telling, with Eurocentric sensibilities. It's offering something we already have. Sure, it definitely offers bigger opportunities for non-White actors to be leading roles but shallow diversity only in front of the camera doesn't offer actual diverse storytelling. It doesn't add anything new, it only rebrands a century old problem.
mannn ed’s “i can’t imagine a caveman going ‘WHY DIDNT YOU DRAW MY PEOPLE ON THE WALL’” had me replaying that clip too much bc it’s too funny too funny!!!
Magneto and Professor Xavier were based on Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. I understand where some of the gripe comes from - personally it feels like some of these changes are so forced and are pandering to an audience rather than doing it because they genuinely feel that it's right and/or have something to actually say about the issue. But there's something important being said at the center of "wokeness" that should affect films and media, in general EDIT: 56:28 touches on a point that I don't think I hear enough in conversations about representation (or at least on social media) - why do we have to change the stories or characters and jam our identities into that? The story itself was the problem, so write a new story and make new characters
Referring to the point David makes at around the 47 minute mark. Totally agree that we shouldn't be having people of colour randomly inserted into roles or stories that are mainly eurocentric. That was my beef with someone like Matt Damon being in "The Great Wall"
People are complaining about the TLotR Amazon series is because they are ruining the Lore and making stuff up, the casting is a problem because Tolkien created his world not just being inspired by his time in war or nordic myths, it's because England lost a lot of it's own folklore due to Christian occupation and he intended to create a new one in spirit. What's sad is if they wanted to add ethnic characters, there already are 2 humsn examples in Middle Earth, one inspired by Ethiopia the other Asia, so adding black Dwaves and Elves are unnecessary.
The reason Jane got powers was because when Odin enchanted Mjolnir in the first Thor movie, he specifically stated that those he deemed worthy would be granted the powers of Thor. This is sort of implying the godly power is a separate phenomenon not specific to the Thor character, and later in ragnarok odin reminds him that mjolnir was never the source of his power, it was simply a way to channel it. Which he later taps deeper into against his sister in the final fight. Back to to the topic, was Jane worthy? That could be a toss up because yes her character chose to sacrifice herself to help rescue the kids/stop the enemy, or you could infer that Thor’s pillow talk to mjolnir about protecting Jane was an enchantment of his own without realizing it. Very much like how he was able to enchant the random weapons the children used in the last fight to momentarily grant them his power too. I personally liked the movie despite its very fast paced timing and would also love to watch an extended version some day, but I want to point out that the MCU shouldn’t have to spoon feed every detail to their audience, if you want to understand every aspect you need to for the very the least watch all their content. What makes the MCU great is bringing to life the comics for the hardcore fans while being entertaining enough to keep people who don’t know a thing about the franchise around
What should have happened at the end was for Jane and Thor to enter the chamber with Gor to find out that gor had already made his wish for his daughter instead of death of all gods. Everyone assumed that death was all he wanted but instead he teaches Thor that love was all that mattered. Then gor dies and leaves Thor conflicted but ultimately takes care of his daughter as Jane dies.
I didn't like that it couldn't decide when to be serious and when to be funny when I really would have preferred more the villain I'm also kind of annoyed with dumb goofy Thor also gor kills 1 God also they don't go to eternity they go to Valhalla
Thank you, David. Although, I liked Ragnarok I didn’t love it like everyone else. It was a hard tone shift from the first 2 movies. It was funny but I thought there were a bit too many jokes shoved into it. This was my first exposure to Taika Waititi. After seeing a couple of his other movies, I came into Love and Thunder having a general idea of what to expect. It wasn’t better than Ragnarok but I think I enjoyed it better than Doctor Strange 2. P.S. I don’t care if Korg is gay because he’s made up, but there’s a bit of inconsistency for his origin. In Love and Thunder, he said he has 2 dads. In Ragnarok, he said he had a mom. But whatever, it’s all made up anyways haha.
Oh yeah thats true about Korg, i mean i didn't mind the joke about marrying a husband b/c they made a The Rock pun but i was like so this is where their putting the gay character so you can relate on Korg at the moment. When your right he did mention he had a mom
I had the same gripes about Love and Thunder! 😆 I had high expectations for this film, walked out really disappointed, slept on it, then was like, yeah I’m alright with this film.
The thing about superman being gay is - like you both said - it's his son!! Not Clark Kent himself! They're literally making a newer character gay and not touching the legacy ones and people are still mad about it 💀
Yes!! The interview that Ed is quoting from with Denzel, it runs in my head all the time! Denzel said it best. It's culture (and life experience). From smelling your hair burn on the hair curler, to waking up to mom's pho, or your dad not saying i love you, but peeling fruits for you to eat. Who else is going to write it, express it, or direct it better than someone who has experienced that before?
I think love and thunder worked better when u separate all the jokes into just clips most of the jokes didnt really serve the movie/story for me, I had guessed what the ending was going to be but hey it didnt turn out that way but it was even more cheesier
My problem with Love and Thunder was that they used Gorr the God Butcher/All-Black(Necrosword) as the antagonists and kind off one-offed him. He plays a huge role and is a lead up to the Knull storyline in the marvel comic book series. Like check the marvel wiki for the tldr for what Gorr/All-Black does in the comic's. Like this movie would've been great as a series! even better if they go dark as the gorr comic story and balance it out with the jokes, but the age rating would definitely change haha
you know they cut a lot of scenes from the movie that would have likely made the movie much much longer, more gorr more jane scenes… corporate probably limited the length of the movie, so likely what we got was a dumbed down version
23:20 When they show us the montage of Thor and Jane, there was a scene where Jane was like cooking I think and Thor had his hammer mjolnir beside and he said to the hammer, "Protect her" causing it to glow which then led to her wielding it and I honestly think it's a good explanation.
to add to that. In the first movie Odin says ,”Whosoever holds this hammer, if they be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.” This being why janes gets the power.
@@shini2542 nah. jane is there because they’re setting up secret wars and the thor core. pretty sure the realms are gonna play a big role in secret wars and jane will be brought back with the hammer. just gotta wait for dr doom and own reed molecule man
15:35 not eternity. Eternity is a character. That being they make a wish to near the end of the film. I get what you're referring to. The Viking afterlife. It's valhalla.
The best quote of all time when ya talked about about experiencing something vs just hearing about it shoulda quoted Good will huntings quote by Robin Williams.
“Whoever holds the hammer if they be worthy will poses the power of Thor” is the enchantment on the hammer. That’s how Jane turns into Thor. Great to see you guys go back and forth on this film!
My biggest problem with the mcu is when it comes to thor they can't just tell one story anymore. They keep mixing two with ragnarok it was planet hulk and the ragnarok story. With love and thunder it's God butcher and the new mighty thor. They are stuffing too much into one movie and hoping it hits.
I think the main difference between Ragnarok and Love and Thunder is that Ragnarok was a serious film sprinkled with comedic moments whereas Love and Thor is just a straight-up comedy that's sprinkled with action moments.
Didn't like ragnorak, because every scene was a forced joke, could never take any scene for what it was, hence having no interest in love and thunder and turns out it was exactly the same as rag
Same here. I have no interest in Love and Thunder because of how much I disliked Ragnorak. The action and story was good in Ragnorak but the forced comedy really ruined it for me. I'll wait for Disney plus for Love and Thunder.
On the topic of the Waititi cut which i would have loved to see, I would have also liked to see the original Raimi cut for Multiverse of Madness (3 hour something long movie) before they decided to trim them both down
Everything was coo until you said you didnt give a fk about lord of the rings... Thats the best triology of all time with the greatest cast of all time. Jk tho, but in all seriousness, Ya def need to do a lotr movie review. The movies were amazing for its time period.
Even if they recast or write any childhood stuff. It's made for the new generation. We can littering watch the old stuff anytime we want. Remakes are and can be new stuff.
I align with Ed; i did laugh a lot. And enjoyed it, however my issue with L&T that I didn't have with Ragnarok is that I feel there were pieces of plot that was missing/hinted at in different movies/shows. In Ragnarok, I didn't feel like there were plot holes and the things that happened made sense. In this new movie, I disliked that they have the GOTG characters in it and made it seem like they were going to meet back up after they checked the different worlds. It didn't make sense to me how Christian Bales character had the sword, when at the end of Eternals, Kit Harrington's character had it. Also at the end of enternals, they introduced Harry Styles character...and he's not hinted at. Then Thor's character development. Hes been dealing with immense trauma and he has not worked through it at all. He spends the whole movie doing this weird rambling bits and pushing things aside, Jane dies, and then suddenly hes mentally stable enough to take care of a child? It just didn't make any sense to me. I definitely laughed, and obviously it was well made and Christian Bale played the hell out of that role but still
Jus thought I'd chime in on this one, kit Harrington didnt have the necrosword at the end of eternals. It was hinted at it being the Ebony Blade (different sword) but there's been a few articles confirming it was actually Excalibur (also different sword, we might have even more coming down the line lol)
Kit Harrington's sword and hopefully storyline are pretty cool in the comics, but honestly the Necrosword is definitely one of the most badass weapons with a crazy awesome storyline (check out the King in Black storyline) which i thought they would do a good setup in this movie for and i was so excited but they honestly just treated the weapons as mcguffins in this movie and kinda ruined any hope to see a Knull storyline for the future, which would have been even bigger than the Thanos arc of the first movies IMO
@BKMoods oh 1000 percent still agree with you on what you said, Christian Bale was amazing and super underutilized I feel like but when he was on screen i was legit so excited and terrified i wanted more.
TBH I love that David brought up the fact that the majority of black women will not want to get their hair wet. 🤣🤣 Natural hair and extensions are hard to maintain. The only way it could work is if the black little mermaid has braids/twists.
So to comment on the Lord of the rings the reason people have an issue is because there changing pre established lore it's like reverse white washing or telling a Korean story based off in Korean lore and making them Mexican it's kind of like Netflix Vikings making a bunch of the Vikings black The Little mermaid is European mythology Cinderella European mythology but I completely agree other cultures should make their own stuff and if you don't like something just don't watch it
I liked and disliked Ragnorak. The action was good and the story was pretty good for a MCU film. Also because the first two Thor movies weren't very good. I hated the comedy though. It was too much and too forced and they didn't know when to stop. Because of that I'm skipping out on Love and Thunder since I knew it was going to be the same thing.
lots of people complaining about phase 4 marvel. but in the big picture it ain’t that bad. it’s just that so many people think they can do better with all the bias they have. my personal opinion, a lot of phase 2 and phase 3 movies were worse than phase 4.
@황의건 iron man 3 was awful, thor the dark world was even worse, captain marvel was horrible, imo both spider-man home coming and far from home were big misses (the only thing that saved spider-man was the mcu, personally zendaya was a horrible MJ until the most recent spider-man).
Thor love and thunder is a good Disney movie, but it's a bad Marvel movie. I think that they wasted a great villain on basically a kids movie. Marvel films cater to all ages, but this one felt like it was just for the kids; and that's why I didn't enjoy this film. Looking forward to BP2, I hope that they really let it not only be a Marvel film, but one of the best Marvel films.
maybe you should try to get eric july on to understand his point of view 🤷♂. i think why hardcore fans are against wokeness is the characters they like get crap on. also about ironheart, she stole an armour and reverse engineered it.
the jokes were good but story was lacking for sure, the comic story was so much better especially for gor, christian is a good actor n all but the way he played gor was like joaquin's joker
Although I did find myself laughing a few times, I think I wasn't able to fully enjoy the humor this time because I thought the jokes felt more forced compared to Ragnarok. That and the overall acting really threw me off the whole time. I wouldn't say it's the worst thing I've seen, but it was rather disappointing. We can all agree though that Christian Bale was the best part about that movie. Every scene he's in, you're drawn in.
If you know Harry Enfield Stavros, you're already used to Russell's accent 😄 I personally as a black dude, do not like Black Characters replacing Ginger people. 🤷🏾♂️
In regards to the Lord of the Rings casting controversy, I think it's more about sprinkling diversity into sections of an already established lore that's insanely detailed, which also can be seen as disrespectful to the source material that millions have grown up loving. It's already established in Lord of the Rings that there are black humans, and even other races of humans as well in far off lands, but Tolkien didn't go too far into their cultures since he wasn't informed enough in writing about it. So if the creators actually cared, they could have used these cultural backgrounds on different parts of Middle Earth and tell a story that's never been told before while also showing more representation. They could have actually put in the work. Instead of twisting the history of this story, doing whatever they want with it, and then slapping diversity in there just to fuel a corporate agenda. It looks disingenuous and frankly just makes people more cynical moving forward.
But.. I loved the lightyear movie 🥲 however “wokeness people” definitely needs to understand that a lot of creators in films or comics that don’t need woke lore to progress a story. Just like there’s creators that will have some woke lore that would 100% help support a story. We can’t push personal feelings onto other peoples art work.
