David Fincher - And the Other Way is Wrong 

I follow you both and find it endlessly eye opening and almost essential for how I see movies. It's like I've been waiting for someone to say this stuff all my life. Thank you.

Everything is important in a film. You can have great technical shots, well designed scenes, but none of those work if the plot sucks. You'll be thinking about why is this scene relevant before you decide that it's gorgeous. For instance, Michael bay can produce wicked cgi and create epic looking scenes, but I'm thinking what the fu k is going on with this movie (transformers: age of extinction). I say plot and story are the core in film making, and everything else should serve to compliment the story. David fincher can certainly have a style of film making, but he also tends to choose dark stories, which compliments his undertone and gloomy style. But more important, every decision that he makes informs the plot (interview with Flynn and Pike). When he makes movies, everything right, all shots are relevant, all scenes designed in a way to inform the overall narrative.

***** Not entirely true... As my good friend Akira Kurosawa stated: "With a good script, a good director can produce a masterpiece. With the same script, a mediocre director can produce a passable film. But with a bad script even a good director can't possibly make a good film. For truly cinematic expression, the camera and the microphone must be able to cross both fire and water. The script must be something that has the power to do this." I understand what you're saying; that the technical power of cinema can be very persuasive, but your type of thinking is precisely what is destroying Hollywood right now.

Wow, it's fantastic to see my two favourite film dudes on RU-vid bump into each other. Both of you do stellar work - keep these videos coming.

***** Ridley Scott's motto.

Like the cat who caught the canary, something he got away with but can't contain his pride. So coquettish, and somewhat adorable. Just pat the Fincher on his face. Jeez, Tony kind of cut that perfectly. Love seeing someone that's good at what they do criticizing and analyzing their chosen artform, using that same format to express analysis and criticism.

Always be around a hunky man when you're with Fincher. Make sure you pay the hunkbeef. Take care.

yeah thats been playing in my mind over and over haha

Thanks to the perfect cut and the music volume ramping up gives you a sense that there's more to it.

just keep that Emily ratajkowski scene from gone girl in mind...

Thrilla Whale Not too late to learn, I hope

Just keep getting knowledge of the art, watching this channel may help, also plenty of books exist. One of the few thing is to *always* remind you that everything happens in a film for a reason, nothing is left to random, remind you that the camera is present, always. You'll get all the angles and cut easily. It may ruin some of movie experience for you (it did for me after I entered cinema classes) but it opens a *whole* new world. I remember when I was a kid I wouldn't even notice cuts, like it's sound stupid but it seemed logical for me, born in a generation where everything comes at you in such massive flow of video flux, when I actually learnd grammary of cinema it changed my view like hard, I still remember how I wa not getting it and had bad grades my firt year along with 3/4 of my classes, I was like "but why ? I worked on this..." but I didn't did it the right way, after it "clicked" (that's the key word) I jusut couldn't miss any cuts lol, then t just develops from there, slight different focals, the étalo (doesn't know what's the english word ? The colour of the pciture if you'd like" and importantly : how all of these grammary tools serve the subject. That's the main thing, the most important one. Hope you continue get into this, and long live cinema.

You may not have noticed it... But your brain did.

Thrilla Whale You don't have to be "cinematically" smart, just observant and focused on the details. Even moviegoers who watch films as a hobby can explain why X shot focused so much on X character or X item. Every time the camera pans towards something or someone, there's a reason behind it.

Relatable

So true

Good channel, good narration, good analysis, good useful information, good way of editing. *last video 6 years from now*

We all do buddy, we all do.

What happened to this channel???

@@user-ny6jk7ol3m It's closed. The video will remain online and available but there wont be no more new stuff uploaded on this channel.

+HalcyonSerenade He was looking right through the lens directly at you! lol

+HalcyonSerenade Ikr, I felt the same

+asiel smith Fincher and chill.

actually he was the pornstar, and then decided he'll like to be behind the camera instead. When he realised he was quite good at it he heavily edited his work..... for a more, um... less stimulated folk??

+asiel smith the movies he makes are for stimulated people, they get off on different content though ;)

+Juan Sebastian Amador Bjarner lol i thought i commented on this video a long time ago and forgot about it

+Jack Mancuso HAHA! Great taste you got, sir.

+Juan Sebastian Amador Bjarner so where is that picture from?

Radiohead album. Amnesiac.

+maskei Right? I just subscribed few minutes ago. The soundtrack of this video was amazing, a good editing/soundtrack choice inside a review of a great director.

+Jombo What did he mean by that though??

+MrHonwe I think he meant that we, as audiences, like to invade the privacy of the characters on screen. Which is why he lets uncomfortable and private things like rape scenes go on for a long time, and how he holds a shot to seriously ramp up the tension.

Theodore Tan oooooooooohhhhhhhh

So is Kevin

Jombo Do you have instagram? We can talk about movies.

I totally scrolled down to see if someone commented on that. X-) Fincher's hip to YT reference. Nice.

can you explain ? I actually didn't get it :(

Child ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OQSNhk5ICTI.html

I can't argue with the truth, so I'm okay with it as well.

I think we're all okay with it..

We're all perverts, they just don't know it yet.

It's the truth. And it's the people who deny it that you have to look out for...

@@joeking6972 Truth only from your point of view

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@@mb2001 about 4 years ago he posted a video saying goodbye and that he was ending Every Frame A Painting for the foreseeable future. I can't find it anymore. Edit: Here is the article nofilmschool.com/2017/12/rip-every-frame-painting-farewell-advice-tony-zhou-and-taylor-ramos

@@Chris-tc7gk Oh… I see.

totally agree, one of the best channels in the whole platform in my opinion.

Where'd he go? ...does he create on another platform?

Pervert.

hes mine thank you very much

He's like a Swiss Guy Fieri.

You are all damn perverts. I am glad to be part of the club. lol

@@sicongli6594 metal...Gear??

+Aleksandre Mzhavia agreed altho I cant say I know too much of his body of works of the top of my head.

Irreversible would be one hell of a ride for you. lol

or cloverfield !!!

Onmysheet The two have nothing to do with each other. One is for artistic effect, the other for fear. I absolute love irreversible, but I loath the shaky cam as slung into popularity by The Blair Witch Project and used throughout action shot.

frank underwood I love found-footage shit, because I used to be obsessed with filming my life and watching it over again when I was a kid. That's not the only reason, though - it definitely lends some power and drama to scenes when used right.

DigitalBerserk shaky cam is not to be confused with handheld

Cigarettes are the main reason why I'm an asthmatic filmmaker.

Debilitating bouts of malaria are the reason I'm an attritive filmmaker.

Alcohol is the reason why i am an abusive filmmaker

3D is the main reason why I'm an antipathic filmmaker.

Drugs are the main reason why I'm an abstract filmmaker

The truck driver in Nice, France is the zodiac killer

The truck itself was the Zodiac Killer.

France is the Zodiac killer, stabbing people with the Eiffel Tower

Fuck I didn't watch the Zodiac.I hate spoilers ! Next time warn while giving a spoiler

carloswachuwa13 he's my 2nd or joint first with Nolan... but my favourite to study

Jason Gormally I feel like this is what doing 50 takes gets you. That one take with a perfect flying shoe. I also LOL every time at Brad Pitt pulling off Norton's shoe and beating him with it.

Fight Club is full of shots that are just too perfect.

Can anybody shed some light? I've seen Fight Club about a hundred times and again after reading this comment and have no idea what scene you guys are talking about

It's one of those montage scenes where fight club members have to pick fights with random people. 6:28

Yep same here. Back again to what Tony in action.

I love the twinkle in his eye with that shit eating grin. He is so devilishly appealing, but if I was an actor I wouldn't last more than 10 takes working with him.

+Harry Smith Yes yes yes yes. He's my favourite director and I study/worship him.

+Harry Smith We're not ready.

+opmike343 Well, he said that he wouldn't do videos on directors that tons and tons of people have already talked about. So, the chances of him doing a Kubrick video are very slim.

LegoStarMovies But there aren't a lot of videos on RU-vid about his film making style tho. Most of them are interpretation videos which make theories of his movies and the others are Illuminati/Moon landing conspiracy bullshit

It also works well in learning how to better frame in photography.

***** I concur about Watchmen, and all the more fascinating in that every panel of the 12-volume epic is exactly the same size and shape, regardless if it's a close-up of an eye or a panoramic landscape. The strict rigidity of the layout keeps our focus on the content within each frame rather than using relative size & shape to emphasize one panel over another.

Ditto. I try to borrow from everywhere.

hell yeah! all of them rule!

+tdreamgmail Especially with the genre of handheld "homemade" movies. fucking paranormal activity 9000+

+tdreamgmail Depends on how it's used. It's used quite well in Seven, but in movies like Blackhat, that just gives me a headache.

+metricmetamorph That's so frustrating.

***** You also gotta remember that handheld is very different from shaky cams. Shaky Cams are overused, but believe me, more movies use handheld cameras than you think.

+George Daugherty I know George. I happen to be a film enthusiast haha. But horror "homemade" movies are indeed shaky cams. I know handheld is really common and most of the time really intricate and suitable. You can check out a video on my channel called Paranoid Android, tell me what you think.

Jeffery Lebowski you´re not mr lebowski.. you are the dude.. ok ? so thats what you call yourself... that.. or his dudeness or duder or el duderino, if you´re not into the whole brevity thing

moviemaen those dickholes at google+ urinated on my rug

Jeffery Lebowski was it a valuable rug, dude ?

He will propably do that when inherent vice gets released, i think!

SamActionMovies hopefully

Ikr?

Philogal H Smile of who ?

Thank God I'm not alone.

Pervs...

Avacado's Constant Ikr

Andy "Hi my name is Tony and this is Every Frame a Painting. These two guys are geniuses." --> cue DJ Shadow music, done.

Every Frame a Painting But why are they geniuses, Tony? This can only be explained in sufficient depth in a video essay. :)

ExtremehamJkd I think you mean *several* video essays (or several dozen), which might be the problem. :P

Arent you Stuckmann’s boi?

Sorry but what do you mean? :)

Aidan Brooks I'm just pointing out that if you were writing and drawing some kinda comic, this would help you construct many of the dialogue-driven scenes. Laying out the panels and whatnot.

+The Lukanator Very true, but be wary. There are many things that work on screen but not on the page. Vice versa, don't be critical of something that works on the page because it wouldn't onscreen.

I love comparing comic frames and movie frames. I find comic books movies most interesting. It's shame there's not many of those. All of Frank Miller's work, Dick Tracy, Unbreakable.. that's about it. Please suggest more if you know any.

creekandseminole I liked how the brazillian film "Elite Squad" used it. It really added to the feel of the movie IMO

The scenes of war, (particularly the D-Day scene) in Saving Private Ryan was shot handheld and was a decision by Spielberg to emulate the spontaneous hand-held visuals of authentic WW2 archival footage. Outside of the scenes of conflict, the camera is stoic, deliberate, or controlled.

+JstyleFilms Me too.

Tell em

+TheGamerFromMars You here?

It's weird to see a big channel with less then 10 likes on a comment.

There's at least one moment where one of the characters talks to another one offscreen (use of emptiness in the frame), but I don't remember what it was. Maybe it was Affleck's character talking to his sister and then going to another room to pick the box full of letters, but I'm not %100 sure.

luisguillermojg Yeah, that sounds right. Maybe a similar moment in the trailer park when Amy's two new "friends" start tossing her bedroom and it's filmed from another room over?

There's a moment of emptiness when Amy looks at Nick and touches the bed next to her, implying there's a space for him. I also saw two fridges. TWO, Fincher? COME ON.

Every Frame a Painting Perhaps they had two fridges in the novel. Must investigate further...

Every Frame a Painting The guy loves fridges, man.

David Fincher put out a 6 episode documentary series on Netflix called VOIR that Tony Zhou and Taylor Ramos did episodes for.

Sada sivan I don't particularly like him. I don't hate him.

+Sada sivan Still my favorite director.

It's impossible to hate anyone we don't know personally.

I have mixed feelings on him and his style.

I'm kinda mixed. He's either really amazing or just meh. For every Fight Club, there's The Game. For every Se7en, there's an Alien 3. For every Gone Girl, there's a Panic Room.

Really? What is the name of the doc?

@@josuebenvindo VOIR :)

@@ahmedhallajian8886, thank you. I gonna watch it.

The Social Network. Not just in production aspects, but also in the quality of the acting and the writing (Sorkin/Fincher is a combination that should definately happen more often). To me, easily the best Hollywood film of the 2010's so far.

MrConstantine02 Yeah, Social Network is an great movie, also one of my favorite movies/favorite Fincher movies. But Zodiac remains my number 1.

Tough one...they are all so good. For me, it's between Social Network and Fight Club (although it's a bit dated now) his shots in that movie are fantastic and the feeling of constant tension.

Zodiac is Tony's favorite too. He mentioned it in Twitter.

Yeah, Social Network was a really odd movie to watch for me. I liked it, but didn't loved it, and didn't think too much of it, but then i wanted to see it again because it felt like there were details that i'd missed, and then i watched a third time and really liked it, then i watched it with my girlfriend and then with friends, finally i just bought the blu-ray. For me it's the perfect mix of technique and story development, you can choose any clip from it, or any scene and i guarantee that it will be shot perfectly. The production as a whole is one the best there are, the score, the acting, the writing, but also the editing, the atmosphere, the colors, the locations, the rythm... this is a movie you learn from.

+GonkThePowerDroid Its remarkable going back to the Lord of the Rings films and looking at how well balanced it was visually compared to the hobbit, without even getting into arguments over CGI. Jackson in LOTR was at his peak form giving us both a big story with impressive visuals to underscore the enormity of the world and the task before them but also giving us a very intimate collection of character stories inside of this grand stage. The Hobbit failed at this in both respects, perhaps because to augment a lack of as comprehensive a character story the Hobbit actually is he expanded action that was tone deaf to the style and mood of the world we all know from the books and LOTR films and because the action itself was so disconnected from the story that was there because Tolkien was never about action like what Jackson used to stuff the Hobbit into a trilogy.

Impressive camera moves can't be overused IMO. If they are stylish and flaring to the point where it's distracting it's a problem. Look at Edgar Wright and Martin Scorsese, who are both excellent with putting energy in to the camera but always to serve the characters, story, comedy, dialogue etc. Handheld can be done well, like Paul Greengrass in Bourne Ultimatum, but it takes a lot of work to make the camera move feel organic and purposeful when doing handheld. I do think impressive camera work should definitely be reserved for important moments or payoffs or indications or anything worthy of emphasis, but it should also come from a lot more than just camerawork to emphasize something (actors, delivery, editing). Michael Bay overdoes camerawork because it's distracting and all style and 0 substance, and most of the time is to no purpose, and his camera movements, composition and framing is most of the time not going to be serving the characters or story in anyway. I think it's more about what to convey and how to convey it to emphasize something, whether it's impressive camerawork or not.

Ruth S only now?

Disney approached him for a Star Wars film but they didn't agree to the same vision apparently. I would love to see a Fincher Star Wars film personally.

Agreed - and if Disney is clever about it, Star Wars can be an interesting canvass for a lot of storytellers.

+Monkey Magic it would turn fincher mainstream, and i feel that often times ruins a directors career. (unless they had already been fairly mainstream like Abrams, because hes pretty good at what he does already).

+Monkey Magic Lets see, Fincher thinks we're all perverts and Disney owns Star Wars... how could that possibly not work out.... :P

+Magnus Nygaard That's true. He is like one hit, one miss, one hit, one miss. But he surely tells them interestingly none the less.