David K. Bernard, J. L. Hall, Robert Morey, & Edgar Havaich Discuss Oneness Pentecostal Theology 

@Hippolytus Romae well you should consider reading it again...The in Him that the scripture is referring to is JESUS...WHAT ITS SAYING IS THAT IN JESUS DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY AND YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM. And in case you've never read in ISAIAH 9:6 the scripture refers to Jesus as the child born, a Son is given his name shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE PRINCE OF PEACE...LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF AND READ IT.

@Hippolytus Romae and I'm familiar with who Jesus is if your trying to explain your understanding of the Trinity...I will never accept that their are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead...three is no Trinity in the scriptures not now, nor ever has been, nor ever will be! I know who my God is, and I know His name is JESUS. To find the Doctrine of the Trinity in the bible." IS LIKE A BLIND MAN IN A DARK ROOM, LOOKING FOR A BLACK CAT THAT WASN'T THERE... EVEN THE JEWIS PEOPLE WHICH REJECTED THE MASSIAH ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SUCH DOCTRINE AS THE TRINITY...IT WAS INSTITED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH READ THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEY BY THEIR ADMISSION ADMIT TO IT...ALL YOUR FEEDBACK IS ONLY TO CONVINCE YOURSELF BUT ILL STAY CLEAR OF ANY TEACHING THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT ABOUT BY THAT APOSTATE CHURCH. I KNOW IN WHOM I BELIEVE BUT APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN.

@@donaldperea7069when looking at Colossians 2:9 just because it saids “Godhead” it does not refer to the Godhead that trinitarians think of/ If you look at all other translations it simply translates it as the fullness of deity dwells in him. Furthermore looking at the Greek text the word used here is “theotes”, all it means is “the state of being God”. It does not however mean Jesus is the father nor Holy Spirit.

@dualtags4486 well maybe you need to read ISAIAH 9:6 where it clearly states Jesus Is the child his name shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE...and COLOSSIANS 2:9 clearly states Jesus is not In the Godhead...the Godhead is in Jesus..he is not a second person in a triune Godhead... but thanks for your insight but I know who my Savior is and I'll hold fast to it ...have a blessed day

@@donaldperea7069 either you’re being ignorant of Colossians 2:9 or u slow. All Colossians 2:9 proves is Jesus deity. It doesn’t prove he’s the father or Holy Spirit. Look at the Greek and tell me what “theotes” means. Also to address Isaiah 9:6 Just because Jesus is referred to as everlasting father doesn’t make him God the father. Abraham was called the father of nations but he wasn’t God the father. John 8:17-18 makes a clear distinction between the son the father. Jesus states the law needs the testimony of 2 men for something to be true. Jesus said he bear witness of himself and the father was the other witness. However if you adhere to the idea Jesus is the father then who’s the other witness.

Were the disciples confused during Jesus ministry? Were any of the prophets or even Moses? To assume that God will simply bestow on you all the secrets of the universe is kind of blasphemous when even the disciples had their own frustrations with Jesus' teachings. Even Paul stated that God is mysterious. Unfortunately, this new wave of heresy that is Institutional Christianity has allowed individuals such as yourself to assume, arrogantly so, that you should know all the answers.

No, the disciples were not confused because they were not Trinitarian. They knew exactly who Jesus was. The false Trinintarian Doctrine came later and developed over time by the Roman Catholic... during the reformation period, the church started coming out of the false teaching of the Catholic Church, but it held on the concept of three persons in the Godhead. It's all in the Catholic encyclopedias they admit it them selves and wrote it in their church history.. It says... The Catholic faith is this... we worship God in Trinity, namely God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost Co equal, Co existent, Co eternal... well, we all know that God is the Father... so that part is true... but the terminology of God, the son... There's not a verse in the entire Bible that calls Jesus God the son... IT SAYS HE IS THE SON OF GOD, AND OTHER SCRIPTURES REFER TO JESUS AS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Trinitarian teaches Jesus is the eternal son, but nowhere found in scripture is the term Eternal son. Another error of its teaching is the terms coequal, coexistence, and coeternal. Not one scripture in the entire Bible does it support this, the fact that you can't find nowhere in the bible. The words "Holy Trinity" should be enough to prove that there is no such teaching. These church he's that hold on to that tradition, and that's exactly what it is,man's tradition... the Catholic Church views you as a separated brethren. Read in COLOSSIANS 2:8-9. My friend, it will shed some light of truth. There is not a scripture in the bible that says there are 3 persons in the Godhead, nor does it ever say Jesus is the 2nd person in a triune Godhead. There will never be a Trinity nor ever has been.

Can you explain how the Father spoke from heaven if, from my understanding of the Oneness belief, it was God who took on flesh? How can he himself be both the Persons in Rev 5:13-14 if God is 1 Being, 1 Person rather than 1 Being, 3 Persons?

@ImaWitness2 Well, first of all, God is Omnipresent. He is everywhere at the same time... you can't put God in a certain place and say that He is over here and not over there or vise versa. God can't be put in a box. He is everywhere at the same time he can be fully in heaven on the throne and fully in the body of Jesus Christ and still be One God... the Trinity Doctrine is a man made handed down through time. It's not a biblical Doctrine look up the church history on where it originated from... it was instituted by the Catholic Church they have perverted the Gospels along with many other false teaching... my friend, I came out of trinitarianism 40 years ago... I'm so thankful to the Lord for leading me and guiding me into the truth of who our Lord truly is... He is not a second person in a triune godhead... in COLOSSIANS 2:9, it clearly says... In Him (refering to Jesus)dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and you are complete in Him The Godhead refers to the father,son,and Holy Ghost. The Godhead is in Jesus. The physical human body of Jesus is the only one person in the Godhead. God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit , the Spirit of God, and of course, ever professing Christian knows that God is our Father... trinitarianism is polytheism...look it up my friend monotheism is the belief in One God serach it up my friend. Blessings to you in Jesus'Name 🙏

@donaldperea7069 the Roman Catholic Church never existed in the days of the Nicean Council. Yes, the catholic, meaning universal, faith did. I wouldn't deny any of God's "omnies". So I couldn't ever place God in a box. I just don't see how you're not engaging in Modalism or violating the Law of Contradiction. I was listening to a conversation between Dr. Martin & someone from the UPCI. Do you agree with this quote below? "We, as well as Jesus Christ, were with God in His foreknowledge, but not in existence, before the foundation of the world."

Apostolics can use the Bible as our source the Trinitarian have to use “(early church fathers) not the apostles. The man with the beard said the oneness started in 1913 No it started in Acts for the church age and in the Old Testament when God told Israel I am God alone

@@ktcarroll4723 Amen brother!! I've always said that too.

​​@@ktcarroll4723 Morey is technically correct. Oneness Pentecostalism came out of the Assemblies of God denomination in 1913. Oneness theology, though, is an offshoot of Sabellianism -- a Patristic heresy condemned by the historic church. You must be referring to another Acts, because nowhere in the New Testament you will find the heretical Oneness Pentecostal view of Christology

​@@ktcarroll4723 hallelujah amen

@@kevinevans8892 you see the apostles baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ ; the same apostles who heard Jesus commission them to baptize in the NAME of the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Ghost. that should allude to the apostles understanding that the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ. That baptismal formula is found all through out the book of acts

I recently accepted the oneness position and I have felt much closer to God. I also could speak in tongues already which was great.

Amen me too!

Amen! This is also my testimony!

Same here... praise God

Amen!

Zechariah 14:9 KJVS And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

no he's not. He is misleading thousands

@@kevinevans8892 compare proof scripture is the Word of God, watch all his debates and name one that has more information.

So Jesus spoke to Himself at His baptism? He baptized Himself with the Holy Spirit? Did Jesus confused His followers when. he said that His Father is greater than Him? The Holy Spirit didn't call you out of Trinitarianism. That was something else

@@kevinevans8892 According to that passage (Matt. 3:16-17). the Son of God was baptized, the Spirit descended like a dove, and a voice spoke from heaven. Luke 3:22 adds the further information that “the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him.” To understand this scene, we must remember that God is omnipresent. Jesus is God and was God manifested in flesh while on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of God’s basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course, the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Furthermore, although the fullness of God’s character was resident in the body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Thus, Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13) and with two or three of His disciples at any time (Matthew 18:20). With the omnipresence of God in mind we can understand the baptism of Christ very easily. It was not at all difficult for the Spirit of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove even while His human body was in the Jordan River. The voice and the dove do not represent different persons any more than the voice of God from Sinai indicates that the mountain was a second intelligent person in the Godhead. Since the voice and the dove were symbolic manifestations of the one omnipresent God, we may ask what they represented. What was their purpose? First, we must ask what was the purpose of Jesus’ baptism. Certainly He was not baptized for remission of sin as we are, because He was sinless (I Peter 2:22). Instead, the Bible says He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness (Matthew 3:15). He is our example and He was baptized to leave us an example to follow (I Peter 2:21). Moreover, Jesus was baptized as a means of manifesting Himself, or making Himself known, to Israel (John 1:26-27, 31). In other words, Jesus used the baptism as the starting point in His ministry. It was a public declaration of who He was and what He came to do. For example, at Christ’s baptism, John the Baptist learned who Jesus was. He did not know that Jesus really was the Messiah until the baptism, and after the baptism he was able to declare to the people that Jesus was the Son of God and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29-34). Having established the purposes of Christ’s baptism, let us see how the dove and voice furthered those purposes. John 1:32-34 clearly states that the dove was a sign for the benefit of John the Baptist. Since John was the forerunner of Jehovah (Isaiah 40:3), he needed to know that Jesus was really Jehovah come in flesh. God had told John that the One who would baptize with the Holy Ghost would be identified by the Spirit descending upon Him. Of course, John was incapable of seeing the Spirit of God anointing Christ, so God chose a dove as the visible sign of His Spirit. Thus the dove was a special sign for John to let him know that Jesus was Jehovah and the Messiah. The dove also was a type of anointing to signify the beginning of Christ’s ministry. In the Old Testament, prophets, priests, and kings were anointed with oil to indicate that God had chosen them (Exodus 28:41; I Kings 19:16). Priests in particular were both washed in water and anointed with oil (Exodus 29:4, 7). The oil symbolized God’s Spirit. The Old Testament foretold that Jesus would be similarly anointed (Psalm 2:2; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1). In fact, the Hebrew word Messiah (Christ in Greek) means “the Anointed One.” Jesus came to fulfill the roles of prophet, priest, and king (Acts 3:20-23; Hebrews 3:1; Revelation 1:5). He also came to fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17-18), and to keep His own law He needed to be anointed as prophet, priest, and king. Since Jesus was God Himself and a sinless man, an anointing by a sinful human and anointing with symbolic oil was not enough. Instead, Jesus was anointed directly by the Spirit of God. Thus, at His baptism in water, Jesus was officially anointed for the beginning of His earthly ministry, not by symbolic oil but by the Spirit of God in the form of a dove. The voice came from heaven for the benefit of the people. John 12:28-30 records a similar incident in which a voice came from heaven and confirmed the deity of Jesus to the people. Jesus said it came not for His benefit but for the people’s sake. The voice was God’s way of formally introducing Jesus to Israel as the Son of God. Many people were present at the baptism of Jesus and many were being baptized (Luke 3:21), so the Spirit singled out the man Jesus and identified Him to all as the Son of God by a miraculous voice from heaven. This was much more effective and convincing than an announcement coming from Jesus as a man. In fact, it appears that this miraculous manifestation effectively accomplished Jesus’ purpose at His baptism. The baptism of Jesus does not teach us that God is three persons but only reveals the omnipresence of God and the humanity of the Son of God. When God speaks to four different people on four different continents at the same time, we do not think of four persons of God but of God’s omnipresence. God did not intend for the baptism to reveal to the monotheistic Jewish onlookers a radically new revelation of a plurality in the Godhead, and there is no indication that the Jews interpreted it as such. Even many modern scholars do not see the baptism of Christ as an indication of a trinity but as a reference to “the authoritative anointing of Jesus as the Messiah.”

​​@@kobymccarty6682 you wrote an entire essay that doesn't adequately address the questions I raised. What you are advocating is confusing. Again, how can Jesus be Father, Son and Holy Spirit at the same time? so on the cross Jesus prayed to His Father to forgive His enemies, while commending His soul to His Father. Oneness Pentecostal theology has presented a Jesus who is schizophrenic. Again, what about John 14-16 where Jesus promised ANOTHER Comforter, Who will come once Jesus goes to His Father. If what you and Bernard are arguing is correct Jesus was confusing His disciples.

​@@kevinevans8892,You haven't grasped that Jesus is all, F,S,HG, He alone is the one true God and the man Christ,God's Son. You have the greater problem in that the 2nd person needs to pray to the first, the 2nd person did nothing of himself, save what the Father told him, the 2nd person didn't know the day of his own coming, the 2nd person wasn't as great as the 1st person. Where is the truant Holy Ghost person, missing from the majority of these passages with F,S. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God in action and emanation, not a person. Jesus stated he was that comforter in John 14, He also shows you plainly who the Father is. If left to the trinitarian, Jesus is nothing but a junior God, not the one true God the Father. God is the Father, the Son of God the man Christ was a perfect human, God's tabernacle. Jesus the man prayed because scripture says all men prayed, again you would have 2nd person of God praying to a greater person. Was he praying to himself? Well not the humanity, not the only begotten, but u to Jesus the true God. Historically your position is terrible, it is not found in the early centuries 1st or 2nd and is ushered in the 3rd with Tertullian a man who even stated the majority rejected the economia and said they held the Monarchy because they were what would be called modalist Monarchians. Also the Trinity church history puts you after Catholicism and she is then your mother see Rev. 17:5, you are her daughters that didn't start any Protestant church till 16th century. It was a murdering church, C.S.Lovett said that she killed 50 million, Luther was for using force and killing, Calvin and Church in Geneva had Michael Servetus burned at the stake and 80 others killed that were Monarchians. Morey lost this debate the other guy was his stooge assistant.

Glory to God!

Its not his fault your too dense to understand the diference between the position that there is one God and the position that one is supposedly one individual. Trinitarians do not believe in 3 God's so of course we would site those passages. BUT hey thanks for admitting you are argued into your beliefs rather than a full examination of the objective text. Go ahead and ignore all the distinction of person throughout the bible of the one God. Because you base your beliefs on your reasoning you think because humans cannot be 3 persons with one nature you refuse to let the bible define God who is unique who is 3 persons with one divine nature BTW, in The incarnation, Christ the person was thinking speaking a persons humanity doesn't think or talk. The person does. Jesus called upon the Jewish law of 2 witnesses(persons), Jesus spoke of being sent by the Father going back to him, sending ANOTHER than himself (The Holy Spirit) and referring with the pronoun HE. I could go on and on. ALL your texts don't contradict any of mine and work together yet in your theology you have to ignore the hundreds of clear distinctions of person of the one God,and then you strawman Trinitarianism WE ARE MONOTHEISTS. THE Lord thy God is One. Scripture defines this as one God you read into this one person. Funny how the one here is the plural form of the word when a singular form could gave been used. I wonder why. Gee I wonder why Genesis says" Our image," Man was only made in God's image.....gee wonder why

@@all4Hisgloryalone2Tim215 John 14:18 KJV I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. ~Jesus Christ His glorified body is not what comes, it's His Spirit that you believe is another being. Jesus just interpreted what was previously stated by saying: I will come to you. There is One Spirit who is God our Father, what's His name? 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Jesus is the Lord, and He is that Spirit. He is the One people "accept" as their savior but yet say it's the distinct person of the Holy Spirit? Wrong, that indeed promotes tritheism. 3 gods. For there is One (Single, Alone, By Himself) God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus. I Timothy 2:5 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Mathew 1:21-23 Jesus Christ is Emmanuel which is interpreted as God with us. Revelation 22:3-5 KJV And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: [4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. [5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. One throne. Jesus on the throne, we shall see Him, and His name (Jesus) in our foreheads, and we shall serve Him forever. Jesus is the Almighty Lord our God who is One by Himself who holds it all in His hands.

@@all4Hisgloryalone2Tim215 typical trinitarian believer. Putting down people. You will know them by there fruit.

@@all4Hisgloryalone2Tim215 one god in three persons or three distinct centre of consciousness sounds like a cerberus type of individual..

It looks like this debate was in the early 80s.

One studying the OT, would see the type of our salvation of Blood, water, Spirit that is necessary per 1 Jn 5:8, and by John the Baptist, Jesus and Apostles. I've never seen a rejector of such handle Peters Commandment to baptize or Paul and Silas baptizing at midnite.

Hmmm...God is one what? How is God's name Jesus not YHWH?

​@@ImaWitness2 Zechariah 14:9.

@@samsam-qp3fw y'all like eisegesis, huh? It literally says "‭And YHWH will be king over all the earth. On that day YHWH will be one and his name one."

@@ImaWitness2 "In that day." It wasn't revealed yet during the time of Zechariah. Please read Isaiah 45:23 and Philippians 2:9-11 side to side. Why is His name Jesus and no longer YHWH (name given during the Exodus) Hebrews 8:6-13.

@@samsam-qp3fw have you read ‭1 Samuel 8:7 ESV‬? YHWH was already their King but they rejected him. [7] And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them." Christ is NOT a mere idea or thought.

Oneness Pentecostal theology is heretical. Repent and obey the true gospel of Jesus Christ

Absolutely right 💯

He really didn’t . Both used scripture and it’s not about who used more scripture but who used it in its context/ rightly/ and rightly divide it. I always find both sides being bias. But I’m sure you couldn’t explain scripture accurately if I gave you text and told you to explain it to me.

Then explain this. Jesus is the human side as Bernard called it a nature. How did Jesus (human) exist with the Father prior to creation according to John 17:5.

@@JoshuaMSOG7 there is a God and you are not Him. I guess you fail to understand this verse…. Romans 12:3 KJVS For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

I belong to the same Robert A. Morey's denomination.

Glory to God!

"His Church" is not a denomination but a person.

Oneness is obviously righteous

The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion. God is triune: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The UPCI and Bernard are spreading error

@@kevinevans8892 Show me first where in the Scripture found and written the word triune or trinity?

@Kevin Evans You're right, God is not the other of confusion. The scriptures are clear for anyone who's willing to read them in context. When it says in the scriptures _'Baptize in the name (singular, not nameS) of the Father, Son, and Holy ghost,'_ *AND* _'Baptize in the name (singular) of Jesus Christ',_ since "name" is singular, we know that it means that the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is JESUS. Furthermore, when Jesus instructed the disciples in Matthew 28 v.19 how they should baptize people, he said F, S, and H., however, the actual ACTION/descriptive in Acts 2 vs 38 was of them literally baptizing people in the name of Jesus Christ. Additionally, there are 4 scriptures that mention being _'Baptized into CHRIST JESUS'._ Also, nowhere in the bible is the word "Trinitarian." That is an extra-biblical concept and sounds a lot like polytheism...

@Defender of Christ Jesus only! And one month later, Kevin Evans is unable to show you where the word "Triune" is in the bible...

​​@@rachybaby72 the word Trinity is not in the Bible, but the doctrine most certainly is. The words Pre-trib Rapture aren't in the Bible yet millions of American Christians believe and teach this eschatological system. Let me see if you can explain the following Bible passage from Acts 7 regarding the martyrdom of Stephen: 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. First, notice that Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit. Secondly, notice that he saw Jesus standing at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD. Three distinct Persons are referenced. Now, can you explain to me how, within a Oneness framework, can Jesus stand at the right hand of Himself, unless the Bible is referring to two separate distinct Persons? Now get to work and make it make sense

@@amanda.collaud - just to add, the Jesus of the Bible is personally distinct from the Holy Spirit - not one and the same.

@@amanda.collaud - Incorrect, Jesus was conceived by miraculous conception via the 3rd Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit. One God in 3 differentiated Persons. Please get educated about what the Christian doctrine of the Trinity actually teaches - thank you.

@Isaac Brian Denny lol, you still need teaching. We are already gods, cor it is written ye are gods, but ye shall did like men. Not that we are God Almighty, but children of God, that's what the phrase mean. Little ones, don't allow the spirit of the devil to deceive you. Our goal is not to be God because we can never accomplish that. Our goal is to be like him, meaning holy! For it is written again, be ye holy for I the Lord your God am holy. Take heed. Be blessed.

@Isaac Brian Denny Paslm 82:6 - John 10:34

@@Abinitio777 the third person of the Trinity? If it was the Holy Spirit that bore Jesus in the womb of Mary at the time of Jesus' conception, then did the Holy Spirit have a different 'personage' other than the Spirit of Christ at that time, in your understanding? Or did the apostle Peter make a mistake in his epistles? For he wrote that the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets that spoke of the sufferings of Christ (in the flesh) and the glory that should follow: 1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Peter the apostle, in his second letter identified the same 'Spirit of Christ' as the Holy Ghost: 2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. To add to this, in Luke's Gospel account (Luke 1:35) the angel Gabriel informs Mary that 'the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of Christ as the apostle Peter identifies above) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, (Doesn't the Highest = God The Father in Trinitarian doctrine?) therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. The Trinity doctrine categorically states that the Son is not the Holy Ghost, as well as the Holy Ghost is not the Father, and that the Father is not the Son, how then does this exemplify the above passages of scripture?

Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!

Comparing to idols, false gods...read the verse carefully

for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” John 16:27‭-‬28 Jesus said he came forth FROM the Father and is going BACK to the Father. This supports the Trinity, not oneness Pentecostalism. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life- the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us- I John 1:1‭-‬2 Here and in I John 3:8 it says the Son or the Word was manifested, not the Father. How do you reconcile that? However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:13 This is referring to the sending of the Holy Spirit and when Jesus speaks to him to tell him what to say. This is totally contrary to oneness theology. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.” John 8:16‭-‬18 How many witnesses does Jesus give here? Hint: it's not talking about a flesh witness and a spirit witness who is the same person. The bible is filled with verses like this.

@@andys3035 I agree with you! Do you think that the spirit is also part of the trinity because It seems like Jesus and the father is God and the spirit is just their spirit

@@reganoryan2292the Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Jesus. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, see the below verse. “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth *who proceeds from the Father,* He will testify of Me. John 15:26 The Holy Spirit is sent by the Son and works through the Son. The Father is the "source" from which the Son is eternally begotten and Holy Spirit eternally proceeds. Are you oneness Pentecostal?

Praying for you in Jesus name

Way to refute the Oneness heretics Dr. Morey !

Search the scriptures my friend, prayerfully, and He will reveal His truth to you.

@David Green Dr Bernard _riffed off_ the scriptures, and the Trinitarian view is found wanting.

He is truly a master debater. Notice how he takes concise notes throughout the entire segment. That definitely comes from having a Juris Doctor education. One must know his opponent’s arguments as well as he knows his own.

@@madisonp73 exactly!!👏🏾

Called his made up greek...lol

Is this Ryan Montgomery from calvary church? Lol

@@madisonp73 he's a master at his heresy, nothing more.

Just curious, why do you still go to a trinitarian Pentecostal church when they don’t preach the full plan of salvation, including baptism, in Jesus name, and receiving the gifts of the Holy Ghost ?

hi brother.thanks for your question. All christian groups preach salvation,baptism and reception of the holy spirit . We need to see which doctrines are essential and which are not. The doctrine of God ,salvation is an essential aspect of the christian faith. However we just all need to accept the basics which are these points. 1.there is one God. 2.Jesus is that one God revealed. 3.Atonement of sin is only possible through the sacrifice of chrsit. 4.Believers in christ are implanted into the body of christ by the holy spirit. When i was young,(though still young but matured as a christian), i use to argue about certain things that growing up i have seen was not necessary.we don't have to know all about God before we can experience him We just have to have faith in the basics and relate with him.understanding grows with time. Personally,trinitarian pentecostals or oneness pentecostals all affirm these basics. I don't think these nuances should be dividing us . Remember,the holy spirit himself is the promised gift of the father for believers in christ. What we call gifts are merely manifestations of his prescence . Baptism,note that all christians are already baptized into the body.this is what we call conversion. If you are talking about water baptism,i will say that i don't hold to baptismal regeneration ,like you get water baptized to become born again. I believe water baptism is an external evidence of the cleansing that has taken place inside of us when we got born again. I believe all christians have the Holy spirit as a gift

Come out from among them !

Yes, they tried to stone Him because "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God"

The assertion "three distinct persons and one God" entails logical contradictions and is thus false on its face. The various doctrines of the Trinity all fail to avoid said contradictions except trinitarian versions that are indistinct from Oneness doctrine. As far as God speaking to Himself, that is not a logical contradiction, so it doesn't fail on its face. You may find it odd that God "speaks to Himself," but most of the people I know speak to themselves and we even find scriptural precedent for that. Notice: Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Since God is infinite and we are finite, there will always be things beyond the grasp of our intellect, and we can be content with that so long as we're not asserting logical contradictions like the doctrine of the Trinity (DT) does.

@@davidcoleman5860 thank you for this revealing verse Bro. David ´óf Him who worketh all things after the counsel OF HIS OWN WILL´´-Eph1:11

@@davidcoleman5860 excellent answer. I’ve never seen a problem with the “Jesus prayed to Himself” or “was His own Father” caricatures. Jesus was Lion and the Lam, High Priest and Lamb, Prince and King, servant and Lord, Root and Offspring and yes Father AND Son (Is. 9:6).

When you are alone ask that question to God & you will set free by his answer

No the human nature ,the Son spoke to the God nature which Jesus never gave up and which God gave his name to his Son, the Son greater than any other given among men. I am come in my Fathers name! Did one God pray to a greater God? Or did a man pray because the scriptures say all men pray? Jesus the man, the anointed ( what Christ means) prayed in earnest, how does a 2bd person in a godhead, without undeifying himself? Jesus as man prayed to the eternal Lord God Almighty, the Alpha and Omega .

Well put. Simple yet exact.

Logical fallacy! An Appeal to Authority The Trinitarian position is rooted from Scripture, but your form of Rationalism doesn't see the truth of the Divine Nature of God. John 14:16-17 KJV And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. These two verses illustrate the Trinity/DIvine Nature/Godhead (Acts 17:29) You see, I used Scripture to prove my point. Be objective!

@@built4speed101 Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. I’m using scripture that clearly says that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ and is also the Holy Spirit….. Same single Spirit. Still can’t find the elusive verse that tells me that God is three divine, distinct persons……

@@mrniceguy3750 Amen!

@@mrniceguy3750 We would expect to see the word singular for the Spirit of God in the bible, there's only one God. But there's a distinction of the three persons in the God head who share the one Spirit. The grammar clearly shows this distinction in the bible. 31:08 in the debate.

Hargis Pennington y so dumb caue the one who came into ur home was the Holy Spitit ,it wasn't Christ himself cause He is in thr third heaven hello

Hargis Pennington Obenes are only one oart of the Body of Christ its not the whole and only true church dont be ignorant ok

Hargis Pennington I thank my Great Big God- The Lord Jesus Christ- for your deliverance! I myself obeyed what the scriptures said; got baptized in Jesus Christ name; and received the Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave utterance! It changed not only my life but my children followed the same formula laid out by the Apostles in Acts 2:38 and received the HolyGhost as well! I am not a fanatic, I just obeyed God rather than the opinions of men!

Hargis Pennington Its the Holy Spirit , NOT Holy Ghost hello

35:40 Oops did he said no eternal Son wooo messs up there 1 Pwter 3: 16-18 it says Christ desended. or went down in the tines are Noah

David has LOST HIS DEBATES WITH THE TRINITIANS

@@tarlustaylor6492 ?? Never had seen him lose any honestly these debates aren’t oneness vs trinity it’s whether or not the New Testament contradicts the Old Testament of it isn’t oneness it’s idolatry the literal first commandment Hear o Israel the LORD (YHWH) is one LORD(YHWH) any more than one is idolatry and witchcraft

@@samshields1116 Deuteronomy 6:4 does not contradict the TRINITY. THE WORD ONE ,DOES NOT MEAN ABSOLUTE ONE , IT MEANS PLURALITY , A GROUP

@@tarlustaylor6492 the title LORD is a stand in for YHWH that name means he that brings things into existence not they HE one not three but ONE there is literally not one verse that says there is 3 in the Godhead and I can show you where the father’s name is Jesus also ( Hebrews 1:4, John 17:6,11) the prince of peace was just the image of the invisible God ( Colossians 1:15) Jesus was just a vessel in which the one true God not 3 but 1 used to reconcile the world back to him not them

Please help me understand something, Oneness people say that they don't believe in the 3 persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but then I hear them say that they believe in 2 natures; human and divine, and that (the man) Jesus of Nazareth was simply a man and not God, but that God was "in him". Does this not make (the man) Jesus a totally distinct person from the Father?

@@rustyshadow7 rusty cool question bro. I think Bernard tried to explain this but maybe I can help? So Jesus in the days of his flesh spoke as a man. For instance read Hebrews 5:7. From the oneness perspective we see Jesus coming fully as man and fully as God. This flesh was not God. The eternal spirit in this flesh is God. He was manifested in the flesh as scripture would say. The only separation here is found within the flesh which we wouldn’t call God. We would call the eternal spirit in the flesh God. We can’t say God prayer to God can we? Or that One part of God was lesser to another can we? When then contradict the scripture! There is no equal to God so if they are co eternal and co equal then why is one refered to as being lesser to another? You see from oneness perspective we view this as God speaking in the flesh of his humanity. Not from the eternal spirit in him. I hope this can maybe help.

@@zacbrisbin9418 Do you believe that the spirit of Christ is distinct from the spirit of the Father?

@@rustyshadow7 no

@@rustyshadow7 the Bible clearly shows us there is one spirit

@@boardbill5852 the proof is the fact that all converts in the book of Acts were baptized in Jesus name according to the commandment that Jesus gave. No person was ever baptized in the trinitarian formula until 325 AD. Besides, you cannot be saved by any other name..Acts 4:12.

Same ❤

in the name of means by the authority of. "stop in the name of the law". What is THAT name?

Right, 'name' is singular, not nameS, which is plural, so what is that NAME? Acts 2 v 37-38 says, *_When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit._* Matthew 28 vs 19 and Acts 2 vs 38 don't contradict each other, but there is only one right way to baptize someone, so reconciling all scriptures is how you find out what that 'one right way' is.

@@rachybaby72 Amen brother

@@Gabyrock89 Sister. 😉 🙏🏾

@@rachybaby72 yesh sholly

What do you do with the New Testament creation stories? The Son, was alive and well in the Old Testament/ making all things and ruling over the universe

@Mr. Rich B.O.B the government doesn’t switch back and forth being temporarily one branch at a time- it is all three at the same time. Same way with God, He is not temporarily one and then temporarily the other- He is all three at the same time

If you actually listened and knew trinitarian doctrine you wouldn't bear false witness and make such a absurd strawman comment.

Many oneness people that I know do not believe that the Son is Himself eternally God, that He is limited in time and in space and in power and in being and in deity- that He is a dirt suit for the Father

@@kevincummins885 A few days ago I watched a good debate here on RU-vid between James white and some church of Christ pastor. He denied the diety of Christ, and therefore the trinity as well.

Question is does the scripture support that position ?

U didn't hear the debate??

@@MrChemenger The only scripture you need in order to stop being confused is Isaiah 9 v 5. For unto us _a child_ is born, unto us _a son_ is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and _his name shall be called_ Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, _The everlasting Father_ , The Prince of Peace. Once you get a clear answer to your question, why do you need to read other verses and be confused again by your own intellect ?

Yes, these church of Christ fools have no idea what the Bible teaches.

Trinity doctrine clearly is the Biblical truth and the Oneness doctrine is false. This video is a classic.

@@Abinitio777 your comment is trash. this video is a classic

@@jayremiahYT This video positively reveals the unbiblical teaching of Oneness theology in favor of the well established Biblical CASE for the Triune nature of the Biblical God.

I’m a Christian said WHO!!

@@Abinitio777 Trinity by every scholar admits that this doctrine evolved and even comparing the evangelical version differs from Eastern Orthodox. So if you read the earliest writing explaining trinity by Theophilus (116-181 C.E.) you would NOT agree with his understanding...why would that be?

@@boardbill5852 Ephesians 4:4-6 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

​@@boardbill58523 gods. 3 "persons"(people)=3. 3 never =1 You go against logic and reason.

That is not the only problem we have with oneness, the other issue is that they baptized people in the name of another Jesus and not the Christ or Jesus of the bible. Example if you call yourself the Christ or Jesus and you say we have to baptized people in your name to be save, does that save people? My answer it won't, cause the name of Jesus only work when you recognize the one who owns that name, the power and authority of that name belong to the Son of God and that Son is the one who became flesh and not the Father, the name is meaningless if the one who represents that name in your doctrine does not exist.

The scriptures do not say that baptism is essential to salvation. And trinitarians do not deny baptism only that it is not the saving act.

There is no issue using the name of jesus for baptism, the other big problem oneness have is that they baptise believers in the name of another Jesus and not the Jesus of scripture, the Jesus from UPC is a false Christ and a false Messiah.

@@terryhatcher7271 anyone that says that Baptism isn’t essential to salvation is blinded to the truth: Be baptized for remission of sin by John the Baptist: Be Baptized for the wasing away of your sin,calling on The Lord;Aninias to the Apostle paul;every thing preached in the Bible is essential to our Salvation;we cannot pick and choose what we want to obey

@@aarondunn1608 not one verse did they say that baptism was the saving act. In fact, that contradicts the New Birth doctrine that Oneness hold to. You believe speaking in tongues is essential to salvation. That is missing in the passage in the Acts 22 verse you mentioned. Also, to correctly read that verse, he said be baptized and wash away your sins CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD. The saving acts was when they called on the Lord. In Acts 10 you will notice they were baptized AFTER they received the Holy Ghost. No way does the Holy Spirit indwell someone who has not been saved.

I believe it is the union in the Spirit that is more like the Marriage. And His Government is the Cross. And Simon helping Jesus carry the Cross, is symbolic for the man's own will, which our Lord cannot carry, because we have freewill. But our Lord carries everything other than the man's freewill, and our freewill is our own cross to carry. God is able to deliver us from all sin, but we have to be willing.

sticks to Scripture AS INTERPRETED BY HIS ORGANIZATION. Yes, BELIEVES first and is baptized. I take pain killers FOR my headaches. I don't take them to GET a headache but because i already HAVE a headache.

@@calvaryapologetics ?????

@@boardbill5852 exactly why some people are so confused. They need an extra biblical revelation to justify their false beliefs.

@@boardbill5852 absolutely! As far as essential beliefs and doctrines yes! As far as traditions, everyone has different ones and are acceptable to be done as long as they do not go against Gods word. Sola Scriptura!!! 100%

@@boardbill5852 This is insane that you interpret 1 Timothy 3:15 like that. Yes the church is the pillar of all truth, as long as it stays within the word. We do not look to any creeds as our foundation. Jesus said praying to the Father “Thy word is truth” John 17:17. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments John 14:15. 2 Timothy 3:15-17, all scripture is inspired by God, it is profitable to make the man of God perfect, furnished unto all good works (I’m paraphrasing). We need to study the scriptures to show ourselves approved unto God 2 Timothy 2:15. I can go all day, the problem with people like you is that you read into things and interpret them unto your own destruction. Our church teaches things your church doesn’t, how do we know who’s right? What makes Athanasius right and us wrong? Or visa versa? Oh yeah, scripture! All things must pass the test if the word of God. You can’t just pop up 300 hundred years later after Christ and say your church is the pillar of truth. Be better than that. Have some respect for the word of God. Nothing is equal to it. I’m supposed to submit to the spiritual authority that God has placed in my life, but if they tell me to follow or do something that goes against the word of God, I am to submit myself to the Word of God. It is the final and absolute authority! 1 Corinthians 11:1-3 says we are to keep the ordinances that Paul left us but he sets up the line of authority by saying the head of the woman is the man, the head of the man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God. Ephesians 5:23 says Christ is the head of the church. Jesus Christ is the final authority, period! The church is submitted to Him and must be in line with his word.

Get Dr. Bernard's book, " the Oneness of God".

They don't fight the name, they fight the false Christ that is giving the name of Jesus, cause just like you or anyone else can say you are Jesus or the Christ when in reality that name does not belongs to you, but to the the Son of God who is eternal and the one who became flesh.

Jesus Christ is the only name for salvation

@@charmainedaley8919 it is true, but the name belongs only to the true Jesus or the eternal Son of God and not to another Jesus, the name does not matter if you assign that name to a fake or false Christ.

What do you mean?

One Spirit The Father is Spirit John 4: 23-24 The Son is Spirit 2 Corinthians 3: 17-18

Scottishroad35 Pinoy Whatt???? be more specific

Scottishroad35 Pinoy 9:20 he should of mention when Stephen in the book of Acts when eas dying he saw Christ sitting at the right hand of God that was not a symbolic thing like us oneness tend to say " Christ holding on the rights of God" No Stephen saw what he saw in the spirit. So do explain that?

Scottishroad35 Pinoy the wrong thing oneness do is say that if a minister does not prounce Jesus Christ when a person is being baptize that baptism is wrong and has mot obtain salvation If Father Son and Holy Spirit is prounce that baptism is useless , First of all no baptism is wrong , water baptism is not for salvation its just a " good work" show people tfat i am already saved

Ricardo Garcia the right hand of God speaks of a position of power not place. The Jews knew that he was claiming that Jesus is God, that’s why they stoned him. Baptism all through the book of Acts was done in the name of Jesus the only name that can save. Matt 28:19 Jesus uses word name singular which is Jesus Isaiah 9:6 He is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Titles can not save you. Jesus = Yahweh Savior. Jesus taught the disciples how to baptize, that’s why they baptized in the name of Jesus. There’s only one throne for God in Heaven, and only Jesus sets on that throne. There are 62k references in the singular pronoun describing God. You are falling for a falsehood. The doctrine of the trinity wasn’t taught until the fourth century by carnal men.

John M I can tell by your language that Satan is your god. Obviously you have not read the Bible. Jesus says he is God all over the Bible. Isaiah 9:6 says who Jesus is. The everlasting Father, almighty God.

Colossians 3:17 is your answer; And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God & the Father in his name.

Someone who commented here said that when he was a Trinitarian, he prayed to all three.

So two thrones?

Yes. And it's biblical. Acts 19, they were Rebaptized

@@toenailtom654 ….Strange isn’t it???? Pray in Jesus’ Name. Cast out demons in Jesus’ Name. But argue about being baptized in Jesus Name.

@buckeyewill2166 Yes, so that makes me think they have been Steeped, (born and raised) with their fathers, fathers, fathers, Catholic doctrine) They don't know why, can't explain it. It's just always been. So, by God, we're gonna keep it that way!!!

@@boardbill5852 Not t True. Christ is a title. To be baptized correctly is to be baptized in the name of Jesus. In the New Testament every person baptized was baptized in the name of Jesus. Not one person in the Bible was baptized in the title father son or spirit

@boardbill5852 Not the first church. Not the Apostolic church. No one on the planet baptized in the father son in spirit titles until 325 AD. It was the Romans who changed it and forced it on the rest of the world. If we were to go back and look at history you would see that the Romans did a lot of bad things including the Catholics that they became the modern Catholic is just an extension of the Romans

Yes philosophy of man and vain deceit just like Bible says

Amen! I was saying to myself the whole time, “where is their scriptures? I hear talk but no Bible.”

Hi michel

@@faithfultheology Hi sir God bless you

That’s right

Here's your answer; Matthew 10:19; they will deliver you up, Mark 13:11; lead you, & deliver you up, see the parallel event? Now in Matthew 10:20; Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you, & in Mark 13:11 it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. John 3:12 If I told you earthly things, & ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things.

😂😂😂 I love this !!!

You must come prepared.

Since there all equal, you can pray to the Father, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. The Christian should have a balance of pray since all 3 take on different roles.

@Rob Keen You contradicted yourself. First, you say they can pray to either/or, then you say there must be a "balance of pray(er)".