Trinitarians vs. Unitarians debate (1/2) 

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” - Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” - Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) Isaiah 43 (KJV) ¹⁰ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ¹¹ I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” - Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” - Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.” - Isaiah 59:16 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” - Micah 5:2 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” - Luke 1:68 (KJV) John 1 (KJV) ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. “I and my Father are one.” - John 10:30 (KJV) “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” - John 12:45 (KJV) John 14 (KJV) ⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ⁷ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. ⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” - John 8:58 (KJV) “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” - 2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - 2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” - 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) Colossians 1 (KJV) ¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ¹⁶ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ¹⁷ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” - Hebrews 1:3 (KJV) “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” - Colossians 2:9 (KJV) “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.” - 1 John 3:16 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” - Acts 20:28 (KJV) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” - Matthew 28:19 (KJV) “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” - Luke 24:47 (KJV) “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” - Acts 2:38 (KJV) “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12 (KJV) “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” - Acts 8:12 (KJV) “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” - Acts 8:16 (KJV) “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.” - Acts 10:48 (KJV) “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” - Acts 19:5 (KJV) “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” - Acts 22:16 (KJV) “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” - Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11 (KJV) Philippians 2 (KJV) ¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; ¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Not even lol, it’s like watching “double dragon” (nes)

I love it.. Dr. James White asTony Stark Dr. Michael Brown as Captain America Priceless..

The important point there is you can differ *sharply* on more peripheral issues, but Christians will agree on *central* doctrines touching the heart of the Gospel itself.

Eric Velez , Am I the only one whom can understand grammatical english???? The text says the Word *was* God, past tense. To prove your point I would need to read the Word is God.

I read the scriptures provided and I don't see your point, The God mentioned is clearlythe Father, the scriptures you presented are talking about two separate beings one God the father and the other the Son of God read carefully . Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 2 Peter 1:1-2 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Revelation 1:6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Here in Revelation 1:6 it says that Jesus has a God and Father what is your point?

REVELATION 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to *his God and Father*, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. IT SAID HIS GOD AND FATHER, CHRIST HAS A GOD AND A FATHER. I did ADDRESS John 1:1, It says the Word *was* God.

*****​ , I was using voice command but thankyou for pointing that out, I am busy so I apologize for the short responses, I will elaborate more later....So in the KJV it says "God and His Father". Even though pretty much every other bible version says "His God and Father", all of those are all wrong?...I will go with the KJV then just for you brother. Rev.1:6 in The KJV is stating God has a Father.Revelation 1:6 (KJV) And hath made us kings and priests unto *God and his Father*; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. SO CLEARLY THIS TEXT IS SAYING *GOD HAS A FATHER*....RIGHT???

***** , I have read the information you have provided carefully, it has taken me almost four days. Now concerning 1 Jn.5:7, The text says there are three that testify, indicating the subject matter of the verse concerns a united witness between these three and there is no reason one should suppose it would imply anything else. 1 John 5:7 literally says, "and these three are one." The very next verse, concerning the Spirit and the water and the blood, literally says, "the three are unto the one" also translated "these three agree in one."meaning these too have a common and united testimony,witness. To be consistent, the Trinitarian advocate of 1 John 5:7 should also then conclude these three, the water, the Spirit, and the blood, are also a Trinity of one being. It is quite reckless to interpret this text as declaring the Father, Word and Holy Spirit are one God when all the verse says is the three are a united witness, one testimony. The oneness in question is a oneness of purpose and function, United in the record they bear, not a oneness of identity or ontology and substance of being. In other words, the three, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit are in one united agreement concerning their witness/testimony. In a similar sense, Jesus prayed for this same unity of oneness between himself the Father and the church. We would not therefore assume these three are "God" or "One God." John 17:20-23 I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, *that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you*, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, *that they may be one just as we are one*, I in them and you in me, that they may become *perfectly one*. As we can see, Jesus prayed that he and the Father and all the disciples would be *one*. Shall we then suppose all these are God??? Of course not. And there is not reason to do so with 1 Jn.5:7 either. Both of these passages, John 17:20-23 and 1 John 5:7, are referring to function, not substance of being. This passage simply does not suggest a Triune God even if it was valid. It simply says that there are three who testify and these three are one. It also says the Spirit, water, and blood are one in the same sense. Neither of the two groups of three are to be understood one other thing(such as God), but as one unified testimony.

Men were called God in scripture. Event the Israelite council in Psalms 82. Jesus points this out and rejected being called God (John 10:31-39).

Romans 1:21-23 rejects the trinity

1 Corinthians 15:23-28 destroys the trinity.

Isaiah 6 is a prophecy. Jesus is seen in a vision. God has never been seen (1 John 4:12).

Yet Jesus did not put himself as God. He worshipped God. Jesus is called God by Thomas as a King just like Solomon was called God in Psalms 45.

Joel Splawn It's true. It's good to see them working together in this case. They just happen to be on the opposite end of most other debates (modern gifts of healing, Calvinism vs Arminianism, etc.) but they fully recognize each other as brothers in Christ. They agree in the essentials of the faith (salvation by grace through faith in Christ, the Trinity, the authority of the Bible as scripture, etc.) but disagree on the "non-essentials" (or adiophra).

James is a nice guy.

kevin Mcdonald I am sure that you would probably say John Calvin was a very nice guy also.

kevin Mcdonald instead of saying James is a nice guy, let's just say that he is a smart feller.

Calvin was an idiot.

I am a trinitarian, but well said :) Jesus said: 'Seek and ye shall find' and if I am seeking God, well then.... :)

... and where was the first trinitarian baptism?.. i only see unicitarian baptisms in the book of Acts.. when and where?

@@jacquesvoigt8239 jacques... but where was (in scripture) the first baptism ever recorded... take in mind that these churches in the new testament were not trinitarian, but unicitarian.... they didn't see God as a trinity but as a God w/ diverse manifestations.... so please... if its not in the scripture, then you guys are obligated to tell us WHAT CHURCH (outside the Biblical margin) baptized in the three names (or holy trinity).... IT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RIGHT?

@@jesus7es7dios7 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME [singular, my emphasis] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit...” - Matthew 28:19 Boom.

@@michaeldukes4108 Matthew 28:19 is not an effectuated baptism... its the COMMISSION given by Jesus... Where in the scripture did such type of baptism occurred? in which of the seven churches in the Bible... or by which Apostle or Disciple in the Bible?....

Bro didn't listen to the debate. At all...

Jesus himself said he is the first in the last and that before abraham was I AM. How can a created being be the first and the last especially if only Hashem has ever used that term? If you are created how are you the first? something needed to come before you to create you. Jesus claiming to be the first and the last means Jesus claims God the Father COULD NOT create Jesus the word of God/God the son. just logically explain that to me? Also the bible says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Jesus also claimed to be the law of moses colloquially saying he was the WORD of God. To drive this home further If God is the creator and he creates eternally, and he creates with his word, then how can his word be created? who created his word? If God creates eternally with his word, how could he create his word with another uncreated word to create it with lol

He is incredible...

oh yes, as he knows he just slam dunked their arguments.

His smile always looks sinister.

He’s the absolute best

I was thinking that to myself the whole time I watched him

... except where Michael Brown said that the Son is the Father.

Let scripture guide you, not appearances. Mr. Buzzard did not get a partner of his choosing…that’s all I’ll say.

Professor James White writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the (Trinitarian) doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, 1998, pp. 14-15). Is it humanly possible from a biblical standpoint to truly understand the Trinity? “It has proved impossible for Christians actually to understand the doctrine or to explain it in any comprehensive way. The doctrine of the Trinity…surpasses our human ability to understand and that must be respected as a divine mystery” (Harold Brown, Heresies: Heresy and Orthodoxy in the History of the Church, 2003, p. 128). Are you confused by the doctrine of the Trinity? Know this, “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33). Martin Luther preached, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermon’s of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). Where in the Bible does it tell us that you must believe in the Trinity to be saved? “The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the NT” [New Testament] (The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary, 1996, see “Trinity”). “Many doctrines are accepted by evangelicals as being clearly taught in the Scripture for which there are no proof texts…It is fair to say that the Bible does not clearly teach the doctrine of the Trinity… In fact, there is not even one proof text, if by proof text we mean a verse or passage that clearly states that there is one God who exists as three persons” (Professor Charles Ryrie, Basic Theology, 1999, p. 89). According to history, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Are we to understand that the Trinitarian doctrine is so important to our salvation that believing the doctrine is essential to receiving eternal life? What of the apostles and disciples who never heard of the Trinity? How could our Lord and Savior neglect such a fundamental truth required for our salvation?

Michael James Go to Psalm 45 from which is that quote and you will see for yourself who said that as it seems you are pretty confused thinking that God said about the Son the is God.

pozorovatel lidi No it seems you’re confused. Jesus Christ is God almighty! The New Testament is clear JESUS IS GOD!

@@michaeljames5881 Look. If you believe that Son of God can be God at the same time, you don't have a problem only with sticking to Jesus's preaching but also with logic.

@@michaeljames5881 Amen! Jesus called himself the Alpha and the Omega. The Father said the same thing in the old testament. Why do people want to be right. It's about what is written. Just believe! Jesus will set you free but you must believe!

@@pozorovatellidi why assumes that God cant have God after read this verses? Your doGtrine is based on Assumption?

Chris Oliver Dela Cruz, Anthony Buzzard is a sneaky devil. I'm sure he does that, lol.....

@@acortes7771 the New Testament One God is both the Father and Jesus John chapter 5 verse 23 'that all should honor the Son even as they honor the Father John chapter 17 verse 3 'and this is life eternal that they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent' and 1stCorinthians chapter 8 verse 6: each, the Father and Jesus John chapter 8 verses 17-18 'it is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself and the Father who sent me bears witness of me. 'It is also written in your law that ' Scripture John chapter 10 verses 34-35 'It is also written in your law' Scripture John chapter 10 verses 34-35 'that the testimony' as before a judge 'of two' the speaker and one other' Matthew chapter 18 verse 16 'take with you one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established' 'men is true' in John chapter 5 verses 37 Jesus used the Father as one of his witnesses but didn't qualify him by the law since Jesus also used his works as another witness. Now Jesus cites the law and by God's own definition of a man which he created the FATHER , although a spirit John chapter 4 verse 24 since he is God, is a man as God defined a man when he made Adam Genesis chapter 2nd verse 7 - having his own material body which is a soul and later added to him by forming a rhuach spirit within him - for God his rhuach spirit is the Holy Spirit of God WITHIN HIM/HIS GOD-BODY. AFTER his death and resurrection Jesus is the Almighty God of mankind Revelation chapter 1 verses 7-8 Matthew chapter 28 verse 18 while God is Allmighty God to those in heaven until Jesus returns his kingdom to the Father that God MAY BE ALL IN ALL 1stCorinthians 15 verse 28- GodMAY be all in all means God is not NOW all in all. .

Yeah the Trinitarians got it all WRONG well ... some of it anyways. The New Testament One God is both the Father and Jesus John chapter 17 verse 3 'and this is life eternal that they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent' while the Word emptied himself of his God body Philippians chapter 2nd verse 6 which included being emptied of his God body God-glory God-knowledge God-abilities and eternal life John chapter 5 verse 26 and God-nature for we know that no man has both a God-nature and a man-nature with Jesus being a man in all things Hebrews 2nd chapter verse 17 therefore not any longer a true God John chapter 17 verse 3. Yet, even being a true God John chapter 17 verse 3 a spirit John chapter 'by law' the Father is a man as God defined a man when he made Adam having his own material body with body parts and rhuach spirit-the Holy Spirit ofGod- within his God-body John chapter 8 verses 17-18.

If this was a rap battle, he wouldve killed him with that line lol

If I send my wife Jacobsen to by gifts for our kids I am still Jacobsen and we are still one Jacobsen.We say let us buy (God said Let us make man in our image) Genesis 1:26I say who will go for us. ( The Father asks and Jesus answered I will go.Isaiah 6:8heard the voice of the Lord say, “Whom will I send? Who will go on our behalf?” I answered, “Here I am, send me!”How can we be one as the Son and the Father are one?A perfect mariage is a beautifull picture of a triune God. We are made in God’s image male and female as one and never meant to be two alone but 2 in 1.

You are correct. Gnostics and Doecitists were two major theological heresies of that day.

This is not correct. The problem for the earliest believers wasn't whether Jesus was divine, but whether he was man. Pagans in the roman territories had zero problem with Jesus divinity, they struggled with his humanity. Read 1 John 4:2, John makes it obvious which thing the early church struggled with.

@@logicalcomrade7606 good point!

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Scripture>personal emotions. I know it’s hard. May God, the kind and all seeing and knowing Vine dresser, prune us of all deception and incorrect thinking.

I have since changed to orthodox triune God . Either way as long as you understand Jesus is Jehovah in some way or another you're on the right path. Thank you Jesus.

@@Justadudeman22 I am amazed and curious at how you could have come to such a conclusion. Hopefully it’s based on evidence and not emotion. No I can not say he is God literally in any sense. And I think Jesus himself would strongly dislike that as he loved his Father and wanted him to get the rightful attention and importance and dignity he deserves. I can say he was Gods image for us in that he faithfully represented God to us and acted as his vessel, and in this way when we’ve seen him (which really means heard him/seen his actions) we’ve seen the Father.

@@youngknowledgeseeker I am the first and the last I am the shepherd The glory I had with you before the world began Honor me as you honor the father He is sinless , which is impossible considering we are inclined to sin Me and the Father are one Etc etc I saw God face to face (even though that would kill a man, they had to have seen Jesus) I am the rock 🪨 I have received all authority on heaven and earth . That would mean God is sharing His glory (which he does not do) He is the Spirit made flesh , the Word made flesh that dwells among us. Baptize in the name of the Father Son Holy spirit . Again sharing Glory with the Father which the Father does not do . Hear o Israel the Lord our God is one. The word one being Echad which is the same word used for when the man and women become one(same word Echad) flesh. Let Us make man in Our image. It goes on. 3 persons in one being. There are three witnesses in heaven The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Over and over sharing Glory with the Son . There is no other savior but God. Jesus is God Jehovah the Father , Son, Holy Spirit . Three persons in one being. God is love , love needs a giver and receiver , one cannot love themselves there is only being . This is all I've learned so far as I have not read the whole bible yet. James white does great debates about it. The spirit of God in the flesh of Jesus is God not the flesh . Human language falls short of explanation of the triune God. I hope you can see from the scripture He is fact the Son of God only begotten(unique) which has shared the glory with the Father since before the world began . It took me a whole year to wrestle with this. Again speaking of wrestling Jacob wrestled with God and broke his bone. Either you take this figuretly or literal if you take it literal jacob had to wrestle with Jesus being in the form of man in order to wrestle with Jacob.

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@@jonathanhauhnar8434 Jesus called Himself God Matthew 7:22-23 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Mark 2:28 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Luke 6:46 46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Revelation 1:17-18 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. (God calls Himself the First and the Last in Old Testament Isaiah 41:4, 44;6, 48:12.) Matthew 12:8 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”(Sabbath day is God' Deuteronomy 5:14) John 8:58 58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (God's name is "I AM" Exodus 3:14) John 10:29-30 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Matthew 28:19 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (God forgives sins in old testament, Jesus can also forgive sins) Mark 2:5-7 5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” 6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” John 14:11 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. (Disciples calling Jesus God in the GOSPELS and some letters) John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Matthew 13:51 51 Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?” They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.” Matthew 14:28 28 And Peter answered Him and said, “Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.” Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ Philippians 2:5:11 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. John 1:1&14 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God& John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (Lastly Old Testament said the Messiah will be God)Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Also way, truth, life is one of 99 names, Jesus called Himself The Way, The Truth, The Life in John 14:6(now mind you these are only the once were Jesus called Himself God in the Gospels and Revelation. I'm not including the once where the apostles called Jesus God in their letters.) _______________________ Jesus said He is the Son of God. John 3:16-18 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 17:1-3 17 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 9:35-38 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?" 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him. Mark 14:61-62 61 But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 26:63-64 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” 64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 16:15-17 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Luke 22:70 70 Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.” John 5:23 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 6:67-69 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” ____ GOD calling Jesus His Son Mark 1:9-11 9 It came to pass in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove. 11 Then a voice came from heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Mark 9:7 7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” Matthew 3:17 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Luke 3:22 And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”

Pass, not worshipping a human.

@@Nikzww187 Jesus existed before he was a human. He was only in the flesh for a time here with us. Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is uncreated. This is because God ONLY creates through his word. If the word was not as eternal as God the father, then how could God create anything? This is why the bible states in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God (the father) and the word WAS GOD.

+GetMooreProductions You, "In the beginning was the word" and "the word was with God and the word was God." Ok, let's use your "logic" with the trinity way. In the beginning was God the Son. and God the Son was with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son was God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Makes no sense to me, does it to you? It must because you said, "Just use the WORD it clearly explains that Yeshua was in the beginning... YES it is complex BUT the word explains it. : " Let's try another trinity way: It the beginning was God the Son, and God the Son was with God the Father, and God the Son was God the Father. For me, 2 Tim 2:15 says we should have no need to be ashamed of our study of God's word. What trinitarians do is shameful to me for such "study". But you're happy with it. That is why three 100% gods to you only make one god. It is shameful to be so illogical but not to you.

What i can't understand the logic if God said you shall have no others GOD besides me, YET Unitarians believe it's ok to pray to YESHUA. and he's just the messiah and slightly under God... How is that logical?? How is that not worship?? Okay here's one for you God said: Let's make man in our own image, who was he speaking to? In Rev when he said: i am the alpha the omega which was which is to come. Yet that whole passage is about Yeshua coming to earth to rule again - He said which was / which was is a past tense. I love how ppl try to box God, how can he not come into his own creation? He's God he can do whatever he wants. Your logic makes no sense at all... We have one God / his holy spirit / Yeshua manifested into man. YET still ONE, And i find it funny how the bible says shall cling to a wife and become one flesh yet there's still 2 ppl. Then you tell God NOPE you cant do that and be complex... Let the scripture speak for itself. I said word as in scripture in one part and then word as in Yeshua the 2nd part.

+GetMooreProductions Look, if you want an exchange, don't ignore what you brought up and I responded to. I'll repeat what was said below. Deal with it or have a one-way conversation with yourself. You got nailed on your logic that YOU brought up about the beginning of John, the trinitarian go-to verses. Now that you're nailed on that, you want to jump to other verses. Remember you said, "Just use the WORD it clearly explains that Yeshua was in the beginning... YES it is complex BUT the word explains it. : In the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God."' No, your trinity does not explain it. As I just shown it shows how foolish your formula is. Notice you didn't care. You don't care about things not fitting and being not logical. Why do you keep on pretending to want to use reason when you clearly have no regard for reasoning? You have no problem even with your conclusion of three 100% gods equalling one. It is impossible to be logical with illogical people such as yourself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2fast2block 23 hours ago +GetMooreProductions You, "In the beginning was the word" and "the word was with God and the word was God." Ok, let's use your "logic" with the trinity way. In the beginning was God the Son. and God the Son was with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son was God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Makes no sense to me, does it to you? It must because you said, "Just use the WORD it clearly explains that Yeshua was in the beginning... YES it is complex BUT the word explains it. : " Let's try another trinity way: It the beginning was God the Son, and God the Son was with God the Father, and God the Son was God the Father. For me, 2 Tim 2:15 says we should have no need to be ashamed of our study of God's word. What trinitarians do is shameful to me for such "study". But you're happy with it. That is why three 100% gods to you only make one god. It is shameful to be so illogical but not to you.

So your logic of understanding is very limited. YOU think you nailed me b/c you replaces the WORD with son. So therefore you got me? This is coming from a mans understanding that it's okay to pray to Yeshua just as a messiah. HOLD UP! what about the other Mashiach's in the bible y not pray to them??? B/c it's idolatry, that's y. Your understanding of scripture is one eye closed (as Dr. White) would say... LISTEN i don't even have to use the word trinity at all to understand the levels God has presented himself. At this point your talking in circles. I pray that your salvation isn't on the line here...

+GetMooreProductions You, "So your logic of understanding is very limited. YOU think you nailed me b/c you replaces the WORD with son. So therefore you got me?" Oh, so it wasn't the god the son? Look if you can't even argue, at least be honest. If you don't like what the trinity formula does, don't blame me for showing the reality of it. You, "Your understanding of scripture is one eye closed (as Dr. White) would say.." You're the one that closed both eyes to what you brought up and your trinity formula doesn't make sense in where you said does. You're like all trinitarians, nail them on the verse(s) they bring up, and they immediately want to bring up other topics and verses to distract from their foolishness of what they got nailed on in their previous "proof". You, " At this point your talking in circles." No, what I showed you about your first John and how you said to read it, is a foolish circle. You wish to accuse me of what you're doing. You, "I pray that your salvation isn't on the line here... " Why would it be? I believe in one true God. You believe in three. You can't even be honest enough to admit that three 100% gods are three 100% gods, not one. I keep saying, it is impossible to be logical with people who have a love for being illogical. Your "study" yields an impossible conclusion. Live with it. You accepted it, not me.

Agreed Reynaldo.

Well put . As we become one in unity in a marriage

Perhaps I may be wrong here, but i think this holds: What you say may be true in the relationships between people, but should precisely the same logic be applied to God? I don't think so. It's like to be one with the Father means to work perfectly with Him, having the same will, etc. But this is not possible if one is a created being, for God cannot create someone or something which has equal power; there are some things that even an omnipotent God cannot do, like making rock too heavy for Him to lift, or creating a married bachelor. Our wills can be aligned to those of the Father perfectly as it will be in heaven, but this is only through Christ. And if through Christ who is one with the Father I can come to the Father, even when I see Jesus I see the Father, then Jesus is God with the Father. This is by necessity, for it is not created things we are dealing with here, but the very nature of God Himself, who being infinite cannot be known except by someone who is also infinite. This should make sense, but it is very late that I am writing this and it is after all a RU-vid comment. God bless you! (The One God complex in unity as Brown says)

Unity can't be equated to personhood! The Trinitarian theory just creates confusion whereas our God is pretty clear & straightforward! How can there be 1 God in 3 persons and each distinct...and if all three are deities...then it drifts into polytheism! God is monotheistic! How can you have one God submissive to the other! Doesn't make sense! God gave man Creation! To manage & walk with Him in Spirit, Truth & Obedience! Man dropped the ball with his disobedience and ushered sin into a perfect world! God gave us Christ! To redeem & save us to His Glory! And we have distorted the very being of Christ by deifying him. Christ was the perfect son of God that Adam wasn't. He was born of the Spirit to be sinless in this world and not like from the actual lineage of Man to be born in sin.

They are one in essence. You are ascribing human theology to God.

It’s everywhere in scripture, BUT yet there’s not a explicit scripture stating such a doctrine🤔No one in the Old Testament believes or taught it, no one in The New Testament believed or taught it. But somehow it’s there🤔

It doesn't need to be explicit to be there. Implicit claims and explicit claims are both logically true.

Every Christian is going to believe a worldview that includes numerous implicit claims from the Bible. Unitarianism itself, for example. Unitarianism includes positive affirmation of the negative claim that Christ is not God. Where is that explicitly stated in the Bible?

​@@leahjames6870 indeed, theres no explicit scripture stating such doctrine the same as the word Omnicient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent..Yet we acknowledge that all the component of these words are written in the Scripture to describe the power of our God...

It’s great to see someone seeking truth

Quran also say same thing

But the Quran doesnt say that Jesus is the son of God or that he was raised from the dead, or that he died for our sins (which is the gospel)

@@joelkerbey4175 which is who’s gospel? Not the gospel Jesus taught

Sorry, what do you mean? That was a response to the other guy who said the Quran said the same thing@@DavidBrown-wm1xz

"the vote was really close"?? www.americamagazine.org/issue/575/article/real-story-council-nicea

This is false. There were around 300 bishops at the Council of Nicaea and only 2 didn't sign the resulting creed. The Trinitarian position was absolutely the overwhelming majority position of the early Church.

This is why Unitarianism isn't that big lol

I thought that was funny too.

Brown was making a mock at truth.

So, the oneness position lost when the Jewish guy said that Jesus is not God? Sounds like you're a Jehovah's witness

This proves that having a Phd doesn't mean anything. The Bible is the ultimate authority and it shows clearly that God is Triune :)

Daniel Gilbert whats the difference between soul and spirit?

Daniel Gilbert Well yes but I bet you wouldn't admit that your soul and your spirit are other persons would you?

That is a terrible analogy. Let me explain. In the Bible you are a soul. Your souls is the totality of your being. It can be dead or alive, aka you can be dead or alive. You body is your soul. Either alive or dead. The spirit is breath. The mysterious powerful animating principle/force that comes from God and seemingly returns to him at your death. You are not 3 in 1. You are one being either alive or dead. Either animated by God/breath or dead. Jesus is Gods beloved son. Does he not say that over and over and over again?

@@youngknowledgeseeker Where in the bible does it say my body is my Soul?

@@danielgilbert7366 Genesis 2. “God formed man from the dust of the earth, breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul” The word “breath” here is the literal word for “spirit” as well. They are the same word and meaning depends on context (Job 27:3). The word for soul here, “nephesh”, is depicted as now being alive and no longer dead thanks to God animating it (See Ezekiel where God says Souls can and will die). Soul wasn’t what a man had but was what a man was. Spirit was the animating principle/force from God that makes the body/mind/heart/lungs/etc function. The breath of a man/woman. Please please please go and see these things for yourself. They don’t teach this in Church, we’re so confused as a people. The word for soul is “Nephesh”. The word for spirit is “Ruach”. The word for body is “basar” I think but it’s not present in Genesis. But it doesn’t matter. Do a word study on these words and see for yourself what they really mean and how they’re used. Note that of course their are subtleties in their usage and that they can be used in multiple ways, just like the words spirit, soul, body, etc can be used in multiple ways in English.

Yep they are mental tap dancing lol

1 Timothy 2:5 this is pretty straight forward.

@@bobbyraejohnson he is God and he is man. This is why he is the mediator. A perfect combination of the two . The spirit that became flesh .

@@Justadudeman22 God can’t be both at the same time since they defies the very meaning of God which means to exist ultimately independently. Call him a god, divine, god-like, in the form of God, in the image of God, whatever you like. But do not call him God almighty which is completely seperate from just the general meaning implied by ‘god’.

@@lets_wrapitup after seeing b1 Timothy 2:5 I agree. That verse shatters the Trinity. As well as Jesus saying we Jews know what we worship . They worshipped literally one(person) God Jehovah. God bless.

RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST I guess they just sadly ignore all those verses like you said, or twist them just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses

Trust Jesus Yes brother, I agree. Not only Jehovah Witnesses, but Mormons, HRM, etc. It's mind boggling that People reject the triune of God, its everywhere in the Holy Scriptures. You might have already done this, but next time you talk to a Jehovah Witness, show them John 2:18-22, and you can even use their bible, it's another Trinity or Godhead verse. I see it everywhere, that more people are denying the Lord Jesus Christ's deity, and the triune nature of God, but I think it's part of the great falling way talked about in the book of Thessalonians. Peoples excuses are, The Trinity came from the RCC, and that's so ridiculous. Jesus said himself he is the great I AM, Exodus 3:14----John 8:58. God bless brother, Keep fighting the good fight.

They spent a lot of time quoting books outside of the Bible. The refused to stick to scripture because scripture does not fit their narrative.

The point of the New Testament isn’t that Jesus is God, but that he is the Anointed one of God. Perhaps you should re read the Gospels, while asking yourself honestly who they are teaching that Jesus is.

1 Corinthians 15:20-29 explains the authority given to Jesus by YHWH and that it doesn't include YHWH and that Jesus will bow to YHWH when he is finished doing his Fathers will. Deut 18:18-19 explains the word being God. Not Jesus. Genesis 1:26 YHWHs speaking to/about Adam and Eve that is the only time he uses plural form when speaking about making mankind. Only YHWH rested on day seven... Where's Jesus just one day later? Or on day 5,4,3,2,1 All scripture you referenced can be refuted by scripture in context. Keep in mind the shema, Deut 6:5 always when reading Scripture. Don't forget Numbers 23:19!👍 May YHWH bless you! 🙏

The son of God (John 20:31) is God (John 20:28).

How?

Nope

Edward Pierce GINOLJC, Oh yes, the Unitarianian lost the debate when Dr. Buzzard admitted that the Lord Jesus was called God in Hebrews 1:8. and he embarrassed himself by applying a God on top of him. how ignorant could he be to make such a statement like that. when one put another God, or god on top of the almighty, that's not only blasphemy, but also polytheistic in nature. so that is the failure of the unitarianian position. It make no difference how many times God is reference to as the father, (whom the Lord Jesus really is, in his natural state Spirit), it takes only one reference to nullify all those other misunderstood, and men wisdom of ignorance reference to the father as God. as I been saying, the Lord Jesus is the "diversity", or the OFFSPRING of himself in flesh. the scriptures, old and new testaments proves that out. but cheer up, because both position unitarianian, and trinitarian positions are in ERROR. the Lord Jesus is God, (the Holy Spirit), the Father, the ROOT, without flesh, Old Testament. and Son, shared, "diversified", in flesh, the OFFSPRING,. hence the terminology, the root and the offspring, the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, who is the SAME ONE, and ONLY PERSON, the HOLY SPIRIT, (smile).

Re watch the video maybe you will understand..... Your Faith is so based on fear and ignorance....Be present while watching the video not based on your ego or selfishness maybe you will hear the deeper meaning of the debate...

one's faith must be based on LOVE, and in that LOVE is TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING, and no man ego, of lies.

+Emmitt Cooper Aren't there two different greek and hebrew words for God, God and god though?

You are correct. These people who quote a verse or two to support their argument have not considered all the verses that say the opposite. A balanced approach is to look at all the verses on a particular subject that are interpreted one way or another, and then to harmonize all the verses. If nine out of ten verses agree on one thing, then the one out of ten verses has to be harmonized, or left on one side until and explanation can be found to bring it into harmony. The overall harmony of the scriptures does not lead teach the pre-existence of Jesus, or the Trinity.

tadm123 You say that Jesus is God... so... is His Father the Father of God? :-)

the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Rev 1:8). Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." In these two verses, the explanation of Alpha and Omega is given. Alpha meaning the firstborn from among the dead, from where the beginning is. And Omega the end of the world, when the mighty God, is to come to judge mankind.. John 5:22"Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son"

@@pozorovatellidi you are making a category error just like the athiests do when they say "Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" God is the father, the son and the holy spirit. 3 persons one God.

@@aaronquinn6626 No. I'm a Christian and just trying to help by using logic. If Jesus is Son of God, it simply denies his Godship. "Son of God" has a meaning... that the person with this title is not God. Jesus clearly stated that the only true God is Father - his God, our God. Jesus never claimed Godship as it would be not only nonsensical but also against his preaching where he follows Father's will, not own. So... Son of God being God is... 1. a nonsense 2. against Jesus's preaching

You're inspired by false doctrine and failed understanding

It's the other way around! For crying out loud!

Jesus is called "true God" in I John 5.

@@bridgetazaz not if you read it right. We are in *him* that is true, even in *his* son... THIS is the TRUE GOD.

@@Jesus is God Leon Morris, in contrast, argues that δι is still best translated as "through" in order to highlight that "the Father is the source of all that is" However, he also maintains that Jesus functions as the agent of creation. Morris points out that this agency is bolstered by the fact that the same language is also used to describe the Father's own role in creation, specifically in Rom 11:36 "or from Him and through (δι) Him and to Him are all things."5 This really eliminates any question as to whether δι can refer to the agent or even source of creation. So regardless of whether it is best to translate δι here as "by" or "through", all of the evidence suggests that John does explicitly ascribe agency in creation to Jesus. As Prophets were the agents through which God's words came into physical being, Jesus was the agent through which the universe itself came into being, as the second clause of the passage confirms, "apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

@@bridgetazaz Jesus is the revelation and incarnation of the Father. Thus, since the Father is the only true God, Jesus, being his self revelation, is the true God. I John 5 argues against the Trinity, not for it. What John is saying is, you cannot just have the Father. If you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father. Because God has commanded us to accept the revelation he has given to us in Jesus, his Son. There was not eternally a Son. The Son was foreknown (1 Peter 1:20), to be then revealed in the fulness of time.

@@jiohdi The agency of Creation was the Word, which God spoke, the breath of his mouth. His Word became personified in the man Jesus Christ. This is the Scriptural teaching. There was not literally a man named Jesus Christ standing next to God when God created. God created by himself through his spoken word (Isaiah 44:24, Psalm 33:6).

Kyle Davis what??? You have no idea what your saying.

Neither does referencing nothing but the New Testament, which was written long after Jesus was here. There is a reason Judaism is monotheistic and is the earliest scriptures on God. Dont let Western interpretations skew your view.

Did you even watch the debate? They made dozens of scriptural references. On top of that, to say someone is not lead by the Spirit is bad but somehow makes you think you're spiritually superior.

I agree Kyle.

I just debated a foremost Trinitarian. The Scripture was clearly on my side, so he kept trying to get me to look at commentaries. He had no answer for the questions I asked him. The center of the debate was around John 17:5. John 17:5 is clearly talking about God's foreknowledge of the suffering servant and his subsequent glorification. To show this, I had him look at John 17:24, which uses similar language, and then at 1 Peter 1:20, which uses the same language as in John 17:24, and 1 Peter 1:20 clearly says that the Son was foreknown, and the same Greek word that means foreknown in 1 Peter 1:20 is also used in Romans 8 to refer to believers that God foreknew. He had no answer for this. He just wanted me to read commentaries on John 17:5, which, of course, are Trinitarian and thus agree with him. If you have a strictly Scriptural debate, you will find that the Trinity is not Scriptural. I've studied all of the verses on this, and if anyone has questions, please ask. Also, I do believe that Jesus is the incarnation of God. But there was not eternally a distinct person called God the Son. That is not found anywhere.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should repent. No one has seen God at any time John 1 Genesis 18 when studied in Hebrew calls that verse a 'mark of accusative' not saying there are two YHWHs (because Deut 6:5 is quite clear there is only one) but two ways of saying the same thing.

2 verses later Jesus also said that he existed before the world existed and he shares the same glory as the Father. John 17:5. 🤣🤣🤣 How can Jesus share the same glory as God if he isn't God. Isaiah 42:8 God shares his glory with no one.

@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha First of all, in the verse you mention, Jesus talks about the glory he (in some bibles) “shared” (in others) “had with” his Father. No where in the verse does it say that sharing a type of glory with his Father made him God’s equal. Jesus called his Father “the ONLY true God” (John 17:3) so obviously Jesus is not God Almighty. Also, when you mention Isaiah 42:8, in a very deliberate way, you don’t mention the rest of the scripture. It states, “I am the LORD, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to CARVED IMAGES” (The New King James Version). It’s obvious that the giving or sharing of His glory is with carved images or idols. Please try to be more honest next time when quoting scripture.

Abraham ForChrist this quotes shows that both of them are wrong in theology.

Abraham ForChrist too snuggle with there wives lol that's funny. Yea the concept of the Trinity is clearly present throughout scripture. The 2 Unitarians don't have eyes too see or ears too hear unfortunately.

Conquest of Canaan Promised Exo 23:20 “Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Exo 23:21 Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.

Abraham ForChrist Joe is not God you lose

So your Bible teaches there are 3 eternal omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent "Persons" all with their own conscience, all able to communicate with eachother but that equates to one God...

The Trinity is a man made doctrine. There is one God our Father and One Lord Jesus. They are distinct. Christ is the mediator between man and God. I advise you to study early Christianity. Trinity is false.

If it's so fundamental why did Jesus or the apostles never articulate it anywhere?

@@kinetic7609 read the NT and read the accounts of the earliest church fathers around 100AD. The trinity is the essence of the christian faith revealed by christ’s life on earth.

@@SKgyebaek I have read the NT, and I've come to the conclusion that the Trinity is false. The earliest Christians we're not trinitarian, it wasn't even a thought among them, only 2-300 years after Christ death did the doctrine of the Trinity become enforced and the "norm". Do you really think that the trinity isn't pagan influence? All pagan religions held some form of trinity in their teachings, from Babylon to Egypt.

@@kinetic7609 There is no salvation in a false Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus is God. If I’m wrong, I’m in trouble. Likewise, if you are wrong, you’re in trouble. Read all of the texts which describe, declare, and make known that Jesus is God. Pray about it.

wasn't cerberus triune?

Anyone who searches for truth must go to Jesus. Do not worry just read the teaching of Jesus and you will know the truth, and Jesus is truth himself. Here is a fact- Jesus denies Trinity!

@Saint DragonThus saith Jehovah, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am Jehovah that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;- Isaiah 44:24 In mark 12:29-30 29Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God, Jehovah is one. 30 And you shall love Jehovah your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. 32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." 34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."- mark 12:32-34. Jesus said Jehovah is the one true God and he commanded to love him. Likewise the scribe also said there is just one God, not 3 in 1. Jesus also said 3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.- John 17:3 6 But from the beginning of the creation, God(Jehovah) 'made them male and female.'- mark 10:6 I am Jehovah, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:- Isaiah 45:5

@@renitv real quick no one is saying there's a God besides him, since there is 1 God, so those verses are fine. Jesus, father, holy spirit are God. One God. You can argue against it, but be careful to not misrepresent trinitarian thought.

Jesus said The Father is the only TRUE GOD John 17:3. You will do well to believe him.

@@quil8322 The trinity doctrine teaches 3 gods. You do not have three co equal, co eternal, co powerful persons, who are all separate from each other, to equal one God. That’s a contradiction.

bo ang 1 Timothy 2:5 is about as clear as you can get, note that I do not believe that Christ was just an ‘agent’ he was the unique son of God but he was clearly GIVEN the Holy Spirit (that is Gods power - not a seperate being) and he gave up this Spirit when he died

bo ang, John 10:30

bo ang Jesus claimed to be God

For God(Father) so love the world, that He (Father) gave His Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but will have everlasting life.

John 7:29

Chill

No one forced you to listen

dont burn him please.

Trinitarians are the heretics by the standards of 1st-century Christians.

@@SaintFort yours is an assertion not supported by evidence.

44:24

Are there any Scriptures in the Bible where Jesus is called God?

Please provide me one verse from the New Testament which explicitly (or implicitly) states that, or tries to convey, that belief in Jesus Christ as being co-eternal and co-equal with God the Father is a salvific issue, on which the promise He made to Abraham rests. I also ask you one simple question: do true believers acknowledge any other God than Jesus Christ's God?

@@edenicchristian335 As Adam Clarke (1760-1832) put it, "The doctrine of the eternal Sonship of Christ is, in my opinion, anti-scriptural, and highly dangerous. This doctrine I reject for the following reasons: - 1st. I have not been able to find any express declaration in the Scriptures concerning it. 2dly. If Christ be the Son of God as to his Divine nature, then he cannot be eternal; for son implies a father; and father implies, in reference to son, precedency in time, if not in nature too. Father and son imply the idea of generation; and generation implies a time in which it was effected, and time also antecedent to such generation. 3dly. If Christ be the Son of God, as to his Divine nature, then the Father is of necessity prior, consequently superior to him. 4thly. Again, if this Divine nature were begotten of the Father, then it must be in time; i.e. there was a period in which it did not exist, and a period when it began to exist. This destroys the eternity of our blessed Lord, and robs him at once of his Godhead. 5thly. To say that he was begotten from all eternity, is, in my opinion, absurd; and the phrase eternal Son is a positive self-contradiction. Eternity is that which has had no beginning, nor stands in any reference to Time. Son supposes time, generation, and father; and time also antecedent to such generation. Therefore the conjunction of these two terms, Son and eternity is absolutely impossible, as they imply essentially different and opposite ideas."

AManAgainstTime God died physically because he became a man!

@@edenicchristian335 Not to mention the Council of Chalcedon declared, "One and the Same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten; acknowledged in Two Natures unconfusedly, unchangeably, *indivisibly, inseparably; the difference of the Natures being in no way removed because of the Union* , but rather the properties of each Nature being preserved, and (both) concurring into ONE PERSON and One Hypostasis; *not as though He were parted or divided into Two Persons* , but One and the Self-same Son". Modern day trinitarians love to dance between "that was the human Jesus" or "that was the divine Jesus" in their usual double-talk, but according to the Council of Chalcedon (451) there is ONE person and ONE Jesus and you can't divide or separate the two natures. They taught two natures in one union. Basically, they teach that the divine nature of Jesus Christ also died on the cross which we know is impossible as God is immortal. They also teach Jesus being fully divine and fully human was tempted in the desert by the devil, but we also know God can't be tempted. They also teach Jesus in his full divinity did not know the final hour, but God knows all things in advance.

@@zachariah7114 Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven. Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by/of God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but the fellowship of the trinity with themselves so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person. And the result of the eternal covenant? The power of the blood raised Jesus from the dead, thus can do the same for you! Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Oftentimes, in the OT when someone would send messengers in their place it would be said that you spoke with the one that sent them. To argue that YHWH actually sat with and talked with Abraham makes the scripture out to be a lie. Jesus Himself said that no one has seen the father, yet you claim that Abraham spoke with and ate with yhwh?

Deut 6:5 is clear there is only one YHWH. So Genesis 18.... it says YHWH twice I agree, but there is only ONE as per scripture. When I looked into the Hebrew of Genesis 18 I learned about the 'Mark of accusative' which seems to mean, saying the same thing in two ways. This makes more sense because we are told over and over and over again there is only one Almighty God. Who is also not man Numbers 23:19 Because He is Spirit that no man has seen before John 1.

I wonder how the Trinitarian universe would have looked like if 1 equaled 3😄 Besides that, what would be the point of talking about concepts like „father“ and „son“, if the father doesn't distinguish himself by nothing from the son? Reality, as I have experienced it, tells us that every father predates any son. But hey, that's just me... Maybe my father and I where both just hallucinating at my birth😀 Every hermeneutics that relies on previous hermeneutics stops being the proper understanding of God's Word and breaks down into fallacy.

Who is the only Master (despotēs) of every Christian?

Nice to hear an honest answer from an agnostic!

Do you think agnostics are a bunch of liars or something? You're agnostic about a ton of things. Does that make you dishonest? Thanks.

Hi! How's it going? I wanted to ask, what brought you to this debate video? :)

You are right about having little knowledge, because extra biblical concept of the Trinity makes the Bible an incomprehensible mess. The other belief, that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, a virgin born man whom God resurrected and glorified, has zero contradictions.

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod on the contrary, Jesus did claim he is God. So there's that. Either that is true or Jesus is a liar which is apparently what you believe.

@@Srhyle Actually it makes you the Iiar, because he never claimed to be God.

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod he did, now you claim Jesus lied by lying. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏽

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod in fact by common sense alone, he was crucified because of blasphemy. If that can't get through your head, I don't know what can. You're in a dangerous "church" my friend. Get out fast!

It was not the Holy Spirit that showed you that! That is Greek philosophy, that is trichotomy. It is not a Biblical understanding. Back when I was certain of the trinity, my fellow trinitarians and I viewed trichotomy as heresy.

@@logicalcomrade7606 EXPLAIN John 1:1, Jeremeiah 23:5,6, Isaiah 48:16, EXODUS 24:10, GENESIS 19:24 HEBREWS 1:8-10, REVELATION 1:7-18, 22:6-16......????????????!!!!!!!!!!! Are you a PHARISEE or worst in some sect as JW's????? (John 8:24) Lord JESUS (EL ELYON) bless all of HIS sheep in this EVIL world! Shalom.

From Brother Christopher Asher: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” - Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” - Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) Isaiah 43 (KJV) ¹⁰ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ¹¹ I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” - Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” - Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.” - Isaiah 59:16 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” - Micah 5:2 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” - Luke 1:68 (KJV) John 1 (KJV) ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. “I and my Father are one.” - John 10:30 (KJV) “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” - John 12:45 (KJV) John 14 (KJV) ⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ⁷ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. ⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” - John 8:58 (KJV) “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” - 2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - 2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” - 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) Colossians 1 (KJV) ¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ¹⁶ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ¹⁷ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” - Hebrews 1:3 (KJV) “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” - Colossians 2:9 (KJV) “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.” - 1 John 3:16 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” - Acts 20:28 (KJV) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” - Matthew 28:19 (KJV) “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” - Luke 24:47 (KJV) “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” - Acts 2:38 (KJV) “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12 (KJV) “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” - Acts 8:12 (KJV) “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” - Acts 8:16 (KJV) “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.” - Acts 10:48 (KJV) “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” - Acts 19:5 (KJV) “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” - Acts 22:16 (KJV) “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” - Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11 (KJV) Philippians 2 (KJV) ¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; ¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Not the same, because Jesus is "my God" (John 20:28).

But even if true, that still makes for two equal Yahwehs or "Ditheism." Or including the HS, three equal Yahwehs or "Tritheism. " Trinitarians may continue to insist that three things are really one thing all they want. But that will never make it the truth just because they dogmatically insist upon it.....

Joy Frizzell water- liquid, ice, steam...3 forms same substance

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Everyone should pick up The Forgotten Trinity by Dr James White, he provides a good point that we cannot have anything to try to describe the Trinity with anything within the Universe, so the whole egg/H20 arguments in this Comment thread, though admirable to try to describe the Trinity, is not sufficient

Stop comparing God to an egg.

+raffy gatal Yeah, three 100% gods somehow equal one. To you, that is a good conclusion to the argument. Amazing.

+2fast2block keep rid of it dude..cause you can't accept you're stand always been defeated and don't be assumed to us and forcing to us that we believed in three God's..we just only believe in one yet exist in three person..Father, Son and Holy Spirit..don't be desperate dude..common try to looked at the verses and understand it..☺☺☺

+raffy gatal You, "we just only believe in one yet exist in three person..Father, Son and Holy Spirit..don't be desperate dude..common try to looked at the verses and understand it." Gee, I don't know what came over me. Of course! That explains it. They are not three gods, they are three persons. Like, you're a person, I'm a person and someone else is a person, yet, we're all one, like truly one. God is a person, spirit is a person, and the son is a person. Jesus was a person that died. So for three days, the other two persons had to work overtime until the 3rd person came back to being god. God the Father is a person. God the spirit is a person. You, ".common try to looked at the verses and understand it." What is funny is that you want me to believe you or anyone else is capable of understanding the trinity. You're only fooling yourself, not me.

+2fast2block Ok if you don't try no one if forcing you simple as that..again, we believed in one God in three distinct person.

+2fast2block for you're own seek. ok Question: "How is the doctrine of the Trinity not tritheism?" Answer: The doctrine of the Trinity is at the very center of the Christian faith. That God is triune in nature is affirmed not only in Scripture but also in the early ecumenical creeds of the church-specifically, Nicaea (A.D. 325) and Constantinople (A.D. 381). The doctrine is essentially that God is one in being while existing as three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, namely, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One often-heard objection to the Trinity is that the doctrine logically entails tritheism (a belief in three gods). But is this criticism valid? Is Trinitarian theology at odds with the clearly taught monotheism of the Hebrew Scriptures? Or did the early Christians get it right when they upheld the monotheism of the Old Testament while at the same time affirming the full deity of three distinct Persons? To answer this question, we need to look over the biblical data. The Bible clearly affirms that there is but one God (Isaiah 43:10; 1 Corinthians 8:4). In addition, the Bible teaches the deity of the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2), the Son (John 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:2; Titus 2:13; Colossians 1:16-17), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). Moreover, the biblical writers go out of their way to affirm that all three Persons are distinct from each other (Matthew 28:19; Romans 15:30; 2 Corinthians 3:14). So, while it is true that the word trinity is not found in the Bible, the concept most certainly is. Does the fact that there exist three divine Persons entail that there exist three separate gods? The answer is no. The same Scriptures that affirm that all three Persons of the Trinity are divine also unequivocally affirm monotheism (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Timothy 2:5). So, what are we to do with this tension between the idea of three divine Persons and monotheism? A helpful clarification involves what we mean by the word person. PERSON can be defined as “a center of self-consciousness.” A person has a mind, emotions, and a will, can communicate with others, and is capable of performing actions. When we speak of the concept of personhood as it relates to the Trinity, we are describing self-distinctions in God. All three Persons of the one triune God possess the complete attributes of deity. All three Persons are truly divine, yet eternally distinct from one another. The divine Persons can and do communicate with each other (John 17:1-26; Hebrews 1:8-9). Essentially, God has three centers of self-consciousness. Yet this one Being (the triune God of Scripture) possesses one indivisible essence. There is only one Being that is God, and this one Being is tri-personal, with each of the three Persons having full possession of the divine nature.

Trinitarians 3.....Unitarians 1 God of Israel, Creator... Father and 1 Messiah .....

Saul Paul Not really.

Darryl Williams 3-3

Saul Paul Actually, you should read Isaiah 9:6 that proves that Jesus is God

Unitarianism is more assumed, Trinitarianism is more proved with the text

Antonio Ada Jr did you know that this is one of the only verses in the New Testament that is considered by almost everyone to be fake or 80-90% surely fake and added on possibly hundreds of years later? Seriously look it up, do a quick Google search it will take 5 minutes. Just type in 1 John 5:7 forgery. You can even find this on Wikipedia(Johannine Comma)

youngknowledgeseeker Did you know that you are Wrong? 1 John 5:7 is scripture, to reject it is Heretical. Here's my proof that it's The Word of God. It is found in many texts along with it existing in Early Church Father quotations... • Prologue to Codex Fuldensis (6th Century, Oldest Latin Manuscript) •Codex Frisingensis (6th-7th Century Latin Manuscript) •Codex Legionensis (7th Century Latin Manuscript) •Traces in Syriac Peshitta (British Library, Add. 14470, 5th -6th Century) • Traces in Syriac Peshitta (British Library, Add. 14472, 6th -7th Century) •Traces in Syriac Peshitta (British Library, Add. 14473, 6th Century) •Traces in Syriac Peshitta (British Library, Add. 18812, 6th-7th Century) •Traces in Syriac Peshitta ( British Library, Add. 17115, 9th-10th Century) •Greek MS. Codex 61 (16th Century) •Greek Ms. Codex 918 (16th Century) •Greek Ms. Codex 2473 (17th Century) •Greek Ms. Codex 2318 (18th Century) It's also brought up by St. Jerome and Socrates of Constantinople that the First Epistle of John was corrupted by Heretics in their day Here's their quotes "Now in any event, he did not perceive that in the Catholic epistle of John it was written in the ancient copies, 'Every spirit that severs Jesus is not from God.' For the removal of this [passage] out the ancient copies are understandably by those who wished to sever the divinity from the human economy. And thus by the very language of the ancient interpreters, some have corrupted this epistle, aiming at severing the humanity from the divinity. But the humanity is united to the divinity, and are not two, but one. Knowing this, the ancients did not hesitate to call Mary 'Theotokos'." -Socrates of Constantinople (380-450AD), Ecclesiastical History, Origin of Nestorianism, Nicene and Post Nicene Father's Series 2, Vol. 2, Chapter 32, Page 171. "we read in the unity of the trinity is placed in the first epistle of John, where much error has occurred at the hands of unfaithful translators contrary to the truth of faith, who have kept just 'the three words WATER, BLOOD, AND SPIRIT IN THIS EDITION OMITTING MENTION OF FATHER, WORD, AND SPIRIT' in which especially the Catholic Faith is strengthened and the unity of substance of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is attested." -St. Jerome (March 27, 347 AD - September 30, 420 AD), "Jeromes' Prologue to the Canonical Epistle" (Jerome was the translator of the Latin Vulgate). These attestations from both Early Church Father's shows that people were corrupting 1 John, and specifically they corrupted 1 John 5:7 because they hated The Holy Trinity!!! Lastly it's quoted/alluded by •Athanasius (c. 296-373 AD) -Disputatio Contra Arium -Quaestiones Aliae •Origen (c. 184 - 253 AD) -Selecta in Psalmos •Gregory of Nazianzus (c. 329 - 390 AD) -Oration 45: The Second Oration on Easter, Chapter 30 •John Chrysostom (c. 349-407 AD) -Adversus Judaeos Homily 1:3 •Pseudo-Chrysostom -De Cognitione Dei et in Sancta Theophania •Zacharias Rhetor (Born c. 465 AD) -Disputatio De Mundi Opificio •Andrew of Crete (Born c. 635 AD) -Magnus Canon (Pg. 97, 1345) •John of Damascus (c. 675 - 749 AD) -Carmina et Cantica: In Dominicam Pascha •Ignatius of Antioch (c. 30-107 AD) -Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Page 81, Chapter 4, Longer Version, Ante Nicene Father's •Tertullian (c. 155-245 AD) -Against Praxeas, Ch.25, Page 621, Ante Nicene Father's, Volume 3 -On Baptism, Chapter 6, Page 672, Ante Nicene Father's •Cyprian of Antioch (c. 210-258 AD) -Treatise 1:6 Unity of the Church, Page 421, Ante Nicene Father's, Volume 5 • Phobadius (c. 359 AD) -Contra Arianna •Priscillian of Avilla (c. 380 AD) -Liber Apologeticus, 1.4 •St. Augustine ( 354 - 430 AD) -City of God, Book 5, Chapter 11, Page 93, Nicene and Post Nicene Father's Series 1, Volume 2 • Vigilius Tapsensis (c. 450 AD) -Contra Varimadum, Book 1, Chapter 5 -De Trinitate Libri Duodecim, Book 1 •Victor Vitensis (c. 485 AD) -Historia persecutionis Africanae Provinciae, Book 3, Chapter 11 •Fulgentius Ruspensis (died 527 AD) -Responsio Contra Arianos Libri Duo, Response 10 -Ad Felicem Notarium De Trinitate Liber Unus, Chapter 4 •Cassiodorus of Italy (c. 485 - 585 AD) -Complexiones In Epistollis Apostolorum, Epistolam S. Joannis ad Parthas, Chapter 10 To say that it's NOT scripture is Heresy! Plain and Simple! Go research the quotations yourself if you don't believe me. May God Almighty Guide you. Amen.

youngknowledgeseeker you are right - that KJV rendering of 1 John 5:7 is not correct! Only a KJV-onlyist would think otherwise and they lack reasoning ability!

There are only 2 thrones. FATHER throne and Jesus on His right side.. I wonder where is the 3rd throne if there is 3 in one God?

@@Maricarmjolo Are you a binitarian?

A divine object isn't necessarily God.

That's not what he says in that timestamp.

@@OmarOsman98 Exactly. Are not angels some type of divinity??? Surely they are not GOD.

@@leahjames6870 Trinitarians are no so intelligent

Adonay in verse 5 is the Father.

Yes but aren’t the vowel pointings a later addition? That’s the point Mr.Buzzard was trying to make at times as well. I’m assuming your getting this from the masoretic text but 🤷🏾‍♂️. So it’s ambiguous to start (for us modern readers) and an educated guess is made based on context and yes thing like the Masoretic text. Imo Jesus is not l’Adonai he is l’Adon,

What argument is that???

explain

Yes please explain.

I thought everyone was nice and argued their sides well. It seems you seen something that wasn't there

I agree. That’s what trinitarians do. I love how they assert that the doctrine of the trinity is everywhere in scripture. That is such an astonishingly dishonest statement. Maybe their eisegetical interpretation is everywhere in scripture, but the doctrine itself is definitely not found by letting the text speak for itself.

Well... At least the trinitarians didn't kill the unitarians like they used to do for not believing...

Like rc?🥺