No.. because then everything they say will be 100% true to them because they speak from the Bible and speak the word of “God” so knowing that they’ll be asked hard questions.. it probably will never happen
Any myth is just people going with their first theory. Their first explanation for something. If those people took a little bit more time to think about it, they would find better explanations. All of science is people finding explanations for unexplainable phenomena.
@@agenttriplea1937 what do you intend to accomplish by behaving this way? its probably you, not what people believe as they see, god. imagine being young and talking.
I really wish I had 3 hours to sit down on JRE and just have a rational and thoughtful talk about God and the Bible. I love how Joe handled this interview and others like it about the Bible and God, but I hope he brings out some people who actually think about these sorts of things for a living.
well he's not saying "mythological" as in fake...he means "mythological" in the sense of the bible being a symbol for a much greater meaning..as in the "cross" is not God...the cross is a symbol of God..and God's work/love is everywhere
exactly, i like rogan but when it comes to Christianity, he seems totally ignorant and has elementary arguments that have been disproven hundreds of years ago but since the audience is young and have never heard the arguments, they think its new info.
Walking on water could relate to walking above a certain mindset, rising from the dead could relate to shedding one’s old consciousness and emerging “reawakened” . Of course I just kind of came up with that on the fly.
Please reread your copy of the Old Testament. It’s in there. Like he said, the New Testament IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the retelling of the Old Testament. Also, the OT is the retelling of many other myths: Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Appolonius, etc. For example, Attis of Phrygia: born on Dec 25 from a virgin, considered a savior of mankind, was crucified on a tree, he descended into the underworld and after three days, was resurrected. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. One can find 20 God myths predating the OT that have a list of at least 10-12 of the same attributes.
So its the lesson that is true knowledge And with great power comer great responsibility. So we must learn from our self and the past. Our biggest enemy is knowledge which leads to arrogance and narcissistic
When a physicist explains physics to a child they don’t just show the child a complex mathematical formula, they tell the child a story they can relate to and begin their understanding.
I agree. The bible is mathematical formula and the story of it is also a result of that formula. The esoteric teachings of the human body/mind's potential is also.
Myths are figurative in the language. We're not _that_ figurative as we once were. To take what is written in the Bible literally, is to make a mistake, and to dodge thinking about what the meaning could be. Nothing is free.
@@thebeanymac Sure, the parables May have been examples for the people to relate to. But to say that nothing in Bible can or should be taken literally is simply a weak, un-supported opinion.
@@jamesh6650 Nope. The view has been long established, since the poets of old, since before the Bible. You haven't understood. Read Joseph Campbell as a start. Look at what George Lucas has to say, somewhere in his interviews, who studied Campbell. There are stark lessons in the Bible for a good life, like many other holy books, but only if the language is taught to you through various means, that is: _how_ to read such work. I've done that through the study of mythology, not what is told, but _how_ the stories are told. Mythology holds the oldest way we know to tell a story, to impart wisdom, and to entertain as well. Learning is only gained through effort, and reading works like the Bible are not easy.
This viewpoint is simply a kind of evolution of Christianity, it allows all of the teachings of the bible to remain intact, and it somewhat prevents the circumstance of someone questioning how, for example, Jesus fed five-thousand-it makes the bible a lesson more than a non-fictional word for word recount. This guy is still incredibly religious and devoted, just looks at it in a modern way.
Just as confident as a Christian declaring every other religion mythologies. Unless you can prove to me it’s possible for anybody on this planet to walk on water or survive several days inside a whale or what ever other supernatural claims in the Bible that defies the laws of physics then us rational people have no reason not to consider the Bible mythology
@@morenitomoreno1282 there was actually a dude who got swallowed by a whale and spat out later not too long ago in the US, but he wasnt in there for that long. Also the 3 day myth is a very common theme in religion because the sun rises and sets at the same place for 3 days during both solstices everywhere on earth. Peace
That the bible represents the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans put into a form that can be useful to anyone human today...which is only doable via storytelling? What's so hard about that? Do you also have trouble with the Lord of the Rings series? (Hint: Orcs, Elves, and Dwarves do not exist...they are all humans)
@@fortusvictus8297 Well I guess nothing but that's not how he articulated himself.. I was also being a little sarcastic, was hoping he may elaborate or tell me something new.
@@fortusvictus8297 The Bible does not represent "the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans." It doesn't contain any knowledge at all. What a joke.
The greatest thing about biblical myths is that they beautifully illustrate eternal features of human nature and all the social problems we deal with. Even if you are an atheist it's worth studying those myths because they are great stories, excellently retold and they are mirrored by the world we live in today
It's also a huge guide to realities. For instance, there's a phrase in the bible where it states that killing a man in your home at night is fine, but if you kill him in your home in the day time, it's not ok. At first this might seem like non-sense, but in reality, yes society will factually treat you different, especially back then, if you kill someone at night vs the day time. Your neighbors would see you as defending your home at night but they would be super suspicious and probably convict you if you did it in the day time. Especially if you consider it before forensics and technology which was almost ALL of human existence
It was my study into religion which led to me and my current belief system where if there is a all mighty God, which I think there isn't, it is not a good being and simply doesn't care about anything besides itself.
Some facts about the Bible (imaginatively named after the Ancient Greek for “book,” “biblos”): 1. the “book” is a collection of texts written by multiple authors over centuries. 2. The texts are examples of different genres, notably including laws (a favorite genre of the ancient near east, where the Old Testament was written in Hebrew), historical narrative, and Epistles (from the Latin word for “letter,” “epistula,” the letters were written in Greek, like the rest of the New Testament). 3. In terms of piecing together the past to learn about God (a primary purpose of the Bible), we couldn’t ask for better historical evidence, which again includes historical narrative and letters written by primary sources, for example Jesus’ disciples). 4. In terms of written history (historical documents pre-printing press written by hand) no other ancient or medieval text comes close to the amount of evidence we have arguing for the textual integrity of the individual texts that comprise the Bible.
Shame the modern world wants more proof as, by today's standards, there is no definitive/ultimate proof the Bible was written by the authors. I only need faith, and trust the one who said, paraphrasing here a bit, my facts speak for me
@John Mateus copy and pasted from a Protestant website: How Did the Apocryphal Books Become Part of Some Bibles? Actually no one knows for sure how the apocryphal books came to be part of some copies of the Old Testament. Many, however, think that the extra books were added when the Old Testament (originally written in Hebrew) was translated into Greek. This Greek translation of the Old Testament is called the Septuagint and was produced by Jewish scholars in Alexandria, Egypt about 250 B.C. This theory is based on the fact that the earliest copy of the Septuagint available today contains these extra books, while none of the Hebrew Scriptures contain them. These books, along with the rest of the Bible, were translated by Jerome into Latin around A.D. 400, but Jerome himself did not think they belonged in the Old Testament. Why Don’t We Accept the Apocryphal Books? (1) Even though the Septuagint existed in New Testament times and was available to the New Testament writers (the Book of Hebrews quotes from the Septuagint), there are no direct quotations from the Apocrypha in the New Testament nor does the New Testament refer to any apocryphal books as part of Scripture. (2) No general church council in the first four centuries of Christian history endorsed apocryphal books. While some early Christians thought highly of these books, others, such as Athanasius, Cyril of Jerusalem, Origen and Jerome opposed them. (3) While Augustine accepted the Apocrypha, his list is not exactly the same as that found in Catholic Bibles [for example, he omitted Baruch, which is in the Catholic Bible, and he included 1 Esdras, which is not in the Catholic Bible]. Furthermore, Augustine seems to have changed his mind from accepting the Septuagint as authoritative to later recognizing that only the Hebrew Scriptures were inspired. (4) Even the Roman Catholic Church did not officially recognize the Apocrypha as belonging in the Bible until the Council of Trent in A.D. 1546-Catholicism’s response to the Reformation. (5) The Apocrypha appeared in Protestant Bibles even before the Council of Trent and on into the nineteenth century but were placed in a section separate from the Old and New Testaments.
@John Mateus What the man's said above. No anger/offense towards you, but fuck Catholicism; They're the ones that first started to stereotype the idea of Jews being penny-pinchers solely bc they were fine with separation of church/temple and bank. Even though Calothics were basically bribing peasants to be 'cleansed' of their sins. That covered up pedophilia for centuries. No. Apocryphal is an understatement in regards to the book.
If your gonna open up these discussions ,which I love, it would be awesome to bring in great Bible Scholars. Those who can give some true history on the history of the scriptures. There are plenty.
The scriptures aren't history, unless you want to talk about the council that wrote it. They may use real historical places or people but that's as far as it goes as them being historical. They are children's stories and nothing more.
@@Spectre-wd9dl Bro, Jesus was a real person and is well documented through multiple eye witness accounts. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This is real history.
Mythology, poetry, law, theology, philosophy, history--- the Bible contains all of this. Different books in different genres. It's very complex. I do appreciate Mamet's focus on the mythological and allegorical aspects.
@@jaygreen4121 LOL. No. Or are you one of those guys who thinks the 'wheels' Ezekiel encounters are aliens or UFOs? In a sense, they are. Nonhuman intelligences.
Give one example of one and we can tell you why... They inherently lie and refute evidence that is sometimes decades old. Speak up @LIFE IS AMAZING, show us these scholars and "outspoken" Christians. Couldn't be Jewish though right? They are not biblical scholars? What about Richard Dawkins? He talks at length about Christianity with far more eloquence, honesty and fact than any OUTSPOKEN CHRISTIAN aka an Atheist, you are one. Remember all men are created equal and there are 3000 Gods "all men" believe in, so you say 2999 don't exist and the definition of an Atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods." SO ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ATHEIST!!!! :)
Joe: (sets up a question with a framework that intentionally misses the point of what's happening) Mamet: (tries to answer with his limited understanding to the beat of his ability)
@@gabrieledwards1066 - What difference would it make? It's not what Ehrman knows about what is written, it's about what can be proven. Every theological argument by it's very nature is fallacious. Can Ehrman prove a God that created the Universe and everything in it actually exists? No..he cannot. So what does it matter how educated he is concerning the Bible? Why should anyone care what the Bible says if it cannot be proven to be divinely inspired?
@@donmiller2908 "it cant be proven therefore I choose not to look into it" prove to me that your gonna get your paycheck from your job next week. Prove it!!!!!! You cant prove it
The bible is thousands of years old and has been translated many times. Despite that, it is still relevant with applicable wisdom for those that are able to receive it.
See epic of Gilgamesh. It predates Old Testament by hundreds of years. They’re stories from Semitic people that were oral traditions before making their way to written word. It is a weapon used by .2% of population to control the rest of the world. More importantly, it is their tool for survival.
Impossible because all you know of it is bullshit that you chose to believe as the truth. Embrace not knowing and don't be a dickhead to people around you. The end.
So much bias in the comments. No wonder JRE is hated by so many. Its crucial to understand that entertaining an idea and agreeing with it are two separate things. If anything, I'm glad that he brings on a variety of guests to share their perspective, regardless if I agree or not. I think he should have someone on the opposite side of David Mamet next so we can get a full exposure.
That's why I appreciate the show so much. I really don't understand where the hate comes from because he brings on so many different guests with different viewpoints. It's not misinformation or malice, it's a platform for discussion. People are scared of subjecting themselves to a larger forum, and in that fear and cowardice, they themselves end up being the ones that spread misinformation.
Well, he always has someone on the opposite side. He has never had a Christian apologist in the show ever. He has had almost exclusively atheists when discussing religion or people than don't focus on it like Ben Shapiro.
@@dan6481 This guy turned around and said PragerU is someone he listens to. The second I heard that you know he is a far right christian nut job that want to bring on the apocalipse because they get to go to heaven. Pretty evil ideology.
I listened to this podcast today at work. While I echo a lot of this guys sentiments, he had an awfully hard time articulating them. This was no different than listening to my father in law after a couple PBR’s.
Joe is asking about the "preposterous" parts of the Bible and David is just saying that its just a part of the story for exaggeration but the lesson is still there. Just like MCU (which echos the Bible), there's total exaggeration but that doesn't mean the characters don't face dilemmas that a regular person goes through as well.
I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word. Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth. It's also not logical to say the Bible is full of myths when the books of the Bible that are Histories have been proven to be supported by archeologist over and over again. The problem is that there are too many part time scholars who THINK they know everything because they study a little here and there and then find something they don't like and want to harp on it. Without the holy spirit to guide you in pursuit of a greater understanding your just treading water in an endless ocean that is too great to comprehend by yourself. Yet what prideful man who is full of himself will ever admit he wasn't enough. Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility. Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil. We are not little biological robots that are preprogrammed into slavery. We hold the responsibility for our own actions and choices. Freedom to choose good or evil means the responsibility for good and bad in the world is OURS. You are free to choose. I hope you make choices that bring joy and happiness into your life. The second commandment Jesus gave was to love yourself so that you could love your neighbor as yourself. If your heart if full of self loathing or hate then the world you create is one where everyone hates themselves and each other. The secret to loving yourself is to admit that you human and that you can make mistakes. Forgive yourself and ask others to forgive you too. Yet, forgiveness comes from repenting. Repenting means to be sorry for what you have done and to do your best not to do it again. Make peace with yourself by admitting to yourselves the wrongs you have done and then repent. As you gain forgiveness, you will find that you can look the person in the mirror in the eyes again and start to love again. Love yourself. Then love others as you love yourself too. It's your choice to make because you are not a slave but a person with the freedom to choose. Choose wisely and God bless =)
Condescending and arrogant people like you is the part of the reason people turn away from religion. When you say "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word", you are implaying to have some degree authority or sense about what's the real word of god. You claim to experience the holy spirit of god when you wrote: "Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth". How do you know for certain? because you feel it? because god himself enlighted you? How do you know it was not some psycological phenomena in the state of extacy? Yet you also say: "Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility". Then you should take a deep look at yourself. Your first statement reflecs arrogant pride "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word." Another claim of yours: "Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil." is a pantheistic view that plenty of PhD schoolars would disagree.
Mamet is a unique filmmaker and screenwriter. Most of his films are exceptional and the ones that arent are still interesting because of his peculiar style
I’m glad I’m not alone, I turned it off to. Hit pause and started reading comments. Very similar to Listening to my half drunk neighbor on a Saturday afternoon.
Anyone who has taken actual theology classes will learn, the Bible is a patchwork, 66 books over 40 authors over thousands of years.. it’s not metaphorical but it has metaphors, it isn’t all literal but it has tons of literal events historic people and events, it is all poetry but has tons of poetry, it has apocrypha but isn’t just apocrypha, … it’s all these things.
Ya, and once it's been downloaded in your head there's no getting rid of it. I didn't realize how much the devil played a part in my mind till I did lsd a few times. There that fucker was big as day trying to scare the shit out of me. I can thank those sweet old lady Sunday school teachers for the introduction, they apparently knew him well.👿
@@phaedrussmith1949 if Phaedrus is your real name I like it, though I probably wouldn't know how to pronounce it. I like your comment as well. Ya really gotta wonder what the world would be with out those pesky little words. Once you're introduced to them ya can't hardly 'see' without them. So Jesus said you must become as a child again, hmmm.
If you listen to this whole podcast, this dude is all over the place and makes very little sense. I really appreciate the tidbits joe can pull out of him that are truly good knowledge
I wish ive had a wise older man like this in my life from when i wad young, even now i still need one . 38yo looking for mentor seriously lmfao exactly why i love Rogan ive been following rogan since early ufc when i knew i loved his outlook on things
Man I would've loved to have Hitchens's take on Jordan Peterson, Trump and JRE. Beyond that, imagine all the talks we could've had between him and Douglas Murray, since him there's been an explosion of great female comedians and I would've loved to hear his take on whether he'd revise his old stance on whether or not women can be funny and so on. Hitchens really did die way too soon.
No shit. Mamet is going all Jordan Petersen here and it makes me sad. Let's circle the drain of attaching these old myths to modern life because they are sooooooo useful. Blah, blah, blah.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Joe would have let him talk and explain everything instead of trying to confuse or sidetrack him like most interviewers did.
Joe says two things people find hard to believe about the Bible from the Old Testament. But people (Lazarus and Jesus) raising from the dead and (Jesus) walking on water or both from the New Testament.
did any of you miss the line about myths being dramatic retellings or are you really all these type of narcissist atheists trying to pwn religion like its your step dad. incredible
Three people are raised from the dead in the Old Testament as well. 1 Kings 17:21-22, 2 Kings 4:35, and 2 Kings 13:21. All of them focused around the prophets Elijah/Elisha.
I hope he was walking on water...maybe they meant walking through water puddles and Lakes while baptizing people..or on something so fast like water skiing your really walking on water!! But it may have been literally aswell🤫
*EVERY* book is written by a man with agenda and if you have to search like this for meaning its nonsense. Commandment 1 would be "Thou shalt not split the atom" not "Don't go making any statues of other people my poor little ego couldn't take it" 😏
The age of grace aka church age is soon coming to an end. Global financial collapse is being engineered by the agents of satan/nwo to bring about great reset. They want to collapse the dollar and wipe out everyone's finances to make them hungry and desperate enough to buy into their nwo system and recieve the coming mark of beast on hand or forehead. Without this no man can buy or sell. Revelation 13. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Police state/martial law coming soon. Quarantine centers aka concentration camps will be activated around the world from this covid agenda. America will be nuked and invaded by russia and china in near future thanks to treasonous us govt. Repent and seek jesus christ for salvation.
I WAS AN ATHIEST UNTIL QUANTUN PHYSIC'S , PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND THE SHROUD OF TURIN LEFT ME NO ROOM TO DOUBT THAT INTELIGENT DESIGN IS THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION TO LIFE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING . I HAVE NOT READ THE BIBLE BUT I WILL SINCE I HAVE LEARNT THAT SOME OF THE MOST UNBLIEVEABLE STORIES IN IT ARE TRUE . GN FROM AUSTRALIA GOD AND BLESS ✌😇
@@chuletajones6833 who is this person? It would have been interesting to have Ravi zacharias before he passed (and had his severe secret issues) I’m thinking of John MacArthur,Jack Hibbs, Denis Prager, I’m not well informed on good apologetic people but it would be a refreshing to have a pastor or well read practicing Jew (that’s not Ben Shapiro) on.
@@AdrianGarcia-ww1ik WLC is william lane craig. Ravi should stay forgotten because of how much of a fraud he was. I'm actually an Atheist but there are a few apologists who's intellect I hold in high regard. I've only ever seen WLC lose once and that was against sean carroll.
But just as silly. While one can easily get a lot of wisdom out of the Bible, one can also get a recipe for disaster. This is true of all holy books and myths.
I agree both obviously chauvinist and narrow minded, Yet lacking the emotion content and empathy of a ROCK IN TYHE DIRT but filled with hypocrisy like most religious zealots in history always have been. Nailed it. Just Like Jordan Peterlips
Jordan Peterson is a huge disappointment on the topic of religion. To simple question like: Do you believe in god or resurrection? The meaning of words like god, belief, truth, dead or alive become totally incomprehensible. Suddenly he turns ultra postmodern, non binary, fluid...Depak Chopra-esque woo-woo.
When discussing ancient books, it’s has to be mentioned their lack of knowledge on simple things like weather. If I’m in ancient times with very limited knowledge and say it starts to thunder and lighting, I would think damn we pissed someone off up there! Or an earthquake would very well give the same but opposite directional thought?!? All I’m saying is stories are stories and we’re in the year 2022. Something’s from the Bible are pretty good for humanity, but to live your entire existence based on a book is insane.
I think we have the inner faculties to hold the 'both' in life. Parables seem like wondrous containers of knowledge, and yet non need be actually true to be useful. Love these type of discussions. Thanks!
Can anyone show me the beaver myth he said? I remember an old native man telling me this when I was a kid and he just made me remember it. I want to read it now.
Hey Joe, have John MacArthur, or James White, or Voddie Baucham or John Piper on your show sometime. Would love to hear a conversation between you and an intelligent Christian leader who doesn't believe what the bible says is a myth.
I don't think Piper would be a good fit. John MacArthur used to go on Larry King, so he might work. Voddie Bauchman also does JiuJitsu, so he might know how to talk to Joe. I also think Matt Chandler or JD Greer would be good guests
If Joe was smart, he wouldn't invite John MacArthur because MacArthur would blow Joe's mind with Biblical truth rooted in decades of scholarly research. I would pay for tickets to see that. Voddie would be great as well.
Rising from the dead was also OT (eg Samuel) but yeah you are correct (Also Job 9:8 refers to walking on water but this is in worship, not in actual recorded action so not quite the same)
I believe that the bible is a collection of stories that was passed down orally, or in written text over thousands of years by people that had the same supernatural experiences
@@edzanjero353 uhuh but think of the possibility that it did happen and just didn't get added because it sounded impossible, which is why he said "DID NOT happen"
@@edzanjero353 also those crazy impossible things that sound out of this world could have actually happened whether they were awake and sober or seeing a vision from a dmt or something else. Also this world is so crazy and complex that the bible doesn't seem too far fetched
Why? So he will have a tiny little narrow view of everything from now on instead of an inquisitive mind that brings on awesome guests and explores a multitude of subjects?
There are people who rise from the dead in the Old Testament (look at the stories of Elijah and Elisha). Not so much walking on water, but certainly manipulating water (Red Sea, Joshua and the Jordan River, Elijah and the Jordan River, Elisha and the Jordan River, Elisha and raising the axe head).
One reference that no preacher, pastor, rabi, bible scholar or theologian has been able to refute or disprove is "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. In the 200 plus years since it was written, it is undisputed! And the reason it is undisputed is because it's indisputable... That's the problem with facts... They're indisputable!
The Bible changed my life for the best, and it is completely true. Before yall write me telling me what a fool I am, save it, I've already heard it all. " I would rather be a fool to the world because I believe in God and his Word, than a fool to God, because I believe the world" (Basically)
I was an atheist who messed with witchcraft 7 months ago, it’s more real then people would like to admit. Do your research, science proves gods existence just stop being blind atheists.
@@andrewsmith9677 Amen, I used to dabble in all kinds of things, also. I learned my lessons the hard way and I'm so grateful to God and his angels for saving me. I'm so glad he saved you too, he wants to save everyone. God bless you on your journey, brother
So you read the bible, saw the mass murder and vile acts committed by your god and decided "yeah I like that"? And if the bible s true, why can no one prove it, and it is so easy to disprove?
But didn't "the world write/told you the word of God? That would mean your believing in the word of the world not God, unless you've had real experience with your "god" then you've been fooled by the word of the world
Myth - a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
While you _can_ interpret the Bible as a message of humility, many people treat the Bible as a source of certainty and confidence. A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is supposed to lead to decay of moral principles.
Oh your full of it, having no belief in a imaginary sky daddy is not a decay of “moral” I don’t need religion to tell me killing someone is wrong, or that I’m a good person based on so. And the worst argument I heard as well as others is this quote from the religious “if there is no god what’s stopping you from killing and raping everyone you want” and our answer is this, I have killed and raped everyone I wanted and that number is 0 you sick evil F###.
"A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is decay of moral principles." Right, so by all means let's plant our frame of reference and set of morals squarely on a magical man in the sky and his teachings. Seems reasonable.
Just listened to the podcast. I like his view on the Bible; reasonable, sensible. AND…I wish I agreed with anything else he spoke on. Every difficult question was answered with “I don’t know”. Honestly…I didn’t understand any of his answers, not that he actually answered any ….they were only met with stories. Stories that were only loosely relevant. The last 2 hours were painful to listen to tbh.
Neither one of them even know what they are talking about. Joe starts by talking about to things that are from the New Testament, says they are in the old testament. Then David Mamet continues to say the old testament is bunch of stories. Imagine listening to two people talk about the bible that don't have a clue about what they are talking about!
He was very hard to listen to. I did like his biblical views, the few that he actually got out of his mouth. He’s still pretty archaic in his thinking though
I think it’s about time Rogan has actual Theologians that can give an articulate argument of faith and the history of faith. It’s cool to hear different perspectives, but I have yet to see Rogan invite a heavyweight like William Lane Craig, James White, or Voddie Baucham. Not just the usual “it’s a myth” crowd.
That's an interesting angle I've never heard, he did a great job of explaining something very technical in the world of relationship between the believer and unbeliever...makes sense!
@@blindi6326 right!? Also to add to his angle, the Bible is also a book of metaphors that repeat the gospel, faith and overcoming the adversary, whatever that maybe.
@Jgehff Hkinkcle it’s the whole basis of western culture. Like it or dislike it. Believe it as literal or not. There are truths that run deep in the story’s told in that book.
This is the same thing you're taught if you study at his Atlantic Theater acting school. His remark about rationality refers to the fact that you don't want to see a play where the conflict has a rational solution or its themes and subject matter are about rational issues.
By this guys logic, the Bible would be no different than any other religious text as it imparts some wisdom on humanity. The issue is however is that a large majority of Christians do consider the the Bible to be the literal word of God and that the mythologies actually occurred. If all religious works were presented in the context of a collection of wisdom from previous generations, but not to be taken too literally….the entirety of world history would be different as there would likely have been much less religious war
I would argue that many don't, actually. How many people genuinely believe that the Bible is the literal word of God? If it was the majority of people calling themselves Christian believed that we wouldn't be in the world we are in today. I think it's like anything else, a small group of fanatics has the loudest voices and most strident position, but they are certainly not the majority of Christians.
@@scratchpenny just reporting in to say that i believe that the Bible is the literal word of God - am a Christian conservative evangelical. i also believe in UFO’s, so take that as you may (P.S. the Bible actually has chapters that can be interpreted as having UFO’s interacting with humanity - e.g. the account of the prophet Ezekiel)
That’s why there’s a separation of church and state. It’s just that some people don’t understand that there’s a new church and it’s called wokeism or whatever name you want to give it. Instead of confession I have to put a black square on my IG or shit like that.
@@KM-iv8mf Fair enough, but it's not the majority of professed Christians, in my estimation. As I am sure you know, you represent a particular sect but not the whole of Christendom. And many people believe in the tenets of Christianity but don't actually believe in Christ or God. I can't tell you how many Catholics I know are like that. And that's why I mentioned that our very secular society wouldn't be where it is today if most Christian people actually believed the Bible was the literal word of God.
I'm an agnostic and I'm sure we all know what that is by now. But I've never liked the church but I like the teachings that came from their book. Organizations always prove to be corrupt at some point. They have a lot of good things to teach and things we can learn from. Whether we agree with the illogical logic that pops up in the myths.
I get this. I’m a Christian, and I go to a church where they believe the Bible and aren’t wishy washy about it, and the people are genuine, if they point out something in my life that’s not in line, it’s because they love me not to bring me down. Just saying this to encourage you or those reading, you might find a church that’s a blessing. If you don’t believe the Bible, you won’t have that foundation in common, so it is not going to be a fit. So it starts with the Bible. Strong man, don’t straw man it, investigate. Maybe you’ll be convinced. “Doubt your doubts”. Blessings to you~
@@vanessaburdine4865 I have no issues with the Bible it's the church as an organization I have an issue with. I believe that the Bible and books such as those are great in their teachings. But as things grow we as humans are prone to corruption. And I can't willingly choose to side with the church because I don't trust the organization as a whole. Also I say illogical logic because the myths/stories in the Bible seem illogical to someone who doesn't believe in it.
Nearly every fiction has some good things a person can get from it. The Bible also has some very immoral ways to live such as condoning slavery, sex slavery, and genocide.
The bible says on the seventh day he rested! it also says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness that in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that in the water under earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God! and yet... EVERY single church has a statue of jesus on the cross... your not supposed to do that!
He talked about biblical myths how is that insane? He never gave an opinion one way or another. If you think you have the world and life figured out from a nihilistic point of view your would seem insane to most.
@@Tantaliz3Halo just his sense of reality is so off like his his points make sense but what he relays it to is so far off the truth it makes it hard to watch. Like man said 20 year olds dont want sex lmfao like the porn view makes sense but then he says that and its like uh ok?
I wish Joe would sit down with a Lee Strobel, Andrew Wommack, Kirk Cameron or even Phil Robertson to discuss the Bible & Jesus. I think Joe & Phil would be a great conversation!
It's disappointing how little Mr Rogan knows about the scriptures, especially when he holds strong views on the Bible. I sincerely hope he invites some actual biblical and theological scholars on. I know cliffe from the AskCliffe youtube channel would be happy to speak with him, as well as Doug Wilson, who has invited him many times for a public conversation. I don't understand why Rogan always avoids those who actually are experts and believers in these fields of study.
@@TheRustedShackleford OMG. That's SO funny! You should get an award or something! You're so clever and original! I'm genuinely amazed at how amazing that thought you put together was. Congrats! So unique! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment 👏👏👏👏👏 Why is it non Christians are always so caught up in Christianity? And why are you so quick to show everyone you have nothing but opinions with no knowledge or logic to back them up? Trust me. I've seen the atheist "scholars". Tyson. Bart. They'd fail first year studies in logic. Much less an entry level class in understanding of the Christian worldview and scriptures. Some of the least impressive arguments I've ever seen.
All this guy does is avoid answering a question by talking about octopus squeezing throw tubes.. just cause you go on. A rant doesn't mean you answered the question David
He did answer the question with that example; it's a myth that wants to tell something about human experience, don't focus on those details cause you'll missing the point of the story and they're not relevant to said point
Two jokes are told at the end of the full podcast. After the first one Joe Rogan explains to David Mamet that it is not a good joke. Stone faced the Pulitzer Prize winner tells the second joke which is not meant to be funny and is given approval, but truly receives confirmation.
I would really love him to have on Dr. Michael S. Heiser to explain what the is and how it works. It would be great and so educational. The issue with mythologizing all of it is you never get a God who actually interacts and deeply cares for His creation. You get an aloof God who is unconcerned and never actually gets involved and shows a level of concern and love. The obvious problem with this idea is it isn't written that way. It tells the Story as God actually being involved and caring so much that God sent Jesus to redeem the world to Himself and defeating sin and death on the cross as an actual man but by being God also had the power to defeat death which is reasonable considering He created us so He also has the power to fix us and the universe He made.
@@willwike5804 No thanks. Praise anything real. Of which Jesus is not. Praise the sun. Praise the stars. Praise water running in a stream. Don’t praise worthless words made up by men to control other men. That’s like praising the knife you are murdered by.
So maybe the people put together the Bible because it was a time when people would believe them to actually be true and they didn’t expect or prepare for a society that would progress so differently? Or the creators of the Bible actually thought it all true because they were as open to the stories as everyone else at the time?
His argument falls apart because we are living in a time when secretly, the people who control this planet are forcing revelations through technology and social conditioning.
@@dylanwestrand9507 Either way it completely rediculous to base ones life on those stories. Religion is evil. Bible is nothing but a tool to help control the masses.
The problem is when people continue to take it literally when we know better now, but they didn't know better then (back when these stories were created). I wouldn't even go as far as David takes it- he's basically presenting it as though they knew they were writing myths. I have no doubt there were some stretches added in over the years and through translations to add some flavor (like any modern day fish story), but my interpretation is that as far as the writers knew- what they were saying was, for the most part, true. For example- there are "great flood" stories in almost every religion and culture. Do I believe there was a "great flood" at some point in history? Yes. Do I believe the entire world was underwater and one boat carried two of every living thing aboard? No. That's not to say that as far as the people telling the story knew, the "whole world" might represent only a few square miles that they've ever seen and experienced. So as far as they know, it's accurate. And as far as how long this went on, how exactly are they keeping accurate time? Then as these people told their story to someone else, that person also had the same experience (albeit a different area, and different animals, etc.) and added in their two cents. Then this story got told to their grandchildren. Then- several thousand years later- all these clay tablets are found talking about these "similar" stories, translated into another language and lumped into one big story. And now we think of it as meaning one person "saved the world" story. That's what makes the most sense to me at least. But at the end of the day, none of these details really make a difference. The point is in the moral of the story and the wisdom passed along over thousands of years of human debauchery. Right from wrong. Good from bad. As long as that's the take away, who really cares about the literal meaning. In fact, the people that take it literally, are just as dangerous (if not, more) as the people that have no moral compass in life. Why? Because they use their literal interpretation of the Bible to justify immoral behavior. Which is almost worse than being ignorant to morality to begin with. But that doesn't mean that people should just toss the Bible because it doesn't "all add up". There are several lessons to be learned and many takeaways.
